From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #461 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, June 11 2001 Volume 03 : Number 461 In this issue: - new music in Boston, june 18 - 22 Re: Radiohead Re: Radiohead Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times Re: Radiohead Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times Re: Radiohead Re: Radiohead Re: Radiohead Re: Radiohead Re: Radiohead Re: Radiohead David Toop RAP ATTACK question HANATARASH - WANTED! WHITEHOUSE 'Tit Pulp' / 'Right to Kill' 7" AUCTION Re: Delany (no zorn) Sonic Youth and Stereolab Re: Radiohead Wyatt (was Re: Radiohead) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:20:25 -0400 From: Stephen Drury Subject: new music in Boston, june 18 - 22 A buncha new music in Boston June 18 - 22, all part of New England Conservatory's Summer Institute for Contemporary Piano Performance: Monday, June 18 - Ligeti: Etudes Books I & II, and 3 Pieces for 2 Pianos - Stephen Drury and Yukiko Takagi Tuesday, June 19 - Steffen Schleiermacher plays music by Stockhausen and others Wednsday, June 20 - music by Chinary Ung, Brian Cherney, Mark Applebaum, & Curtis Hughes Thursday, June 21 - Cornelius Cardew: TREATISE & music by Paul Elwood Friday, June 22 - Stockhausen performed by John Mark Harris and Ensemble Sirius All concerts are FREE at New England Conservatory, 290 Huntington Ave. in Boston For more information, go to: http://www.stephendrury.com/SICPP/concerts2001.htm - --steve updated info on the Summer Institute for Contemporary Piano Performance at http://www.stephendrury.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:16:37 From: "Andrew Nairn" Subject: Re: Radiohead

I think It is great that such a famous band as Radiohead is turning in the direction they are, It should do good for popular music. But I also think there are many other bands that have been doing what Radiohead is doing now for a while, and have done it better. I am reminded of Spacemen 3, Slowdive, Mogwai, and many other ambient etheral space music.

Also can anyone tell me where/when I can see John Zorn/Glenn Branca/others live?

thanks,

Andrew

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From: "marc elzweig"

To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: Radiohead

Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 01:05:18 -0400

radiohead should have stayed exactly as they were with 'the bends' and never

changed. change only confuses people.

no, as perfect an album as 'the bends' is for what it is (and i do still

listen often and genuinely enjoy it), i like where they are now far more.

the thoughtfully layered motivic electronic/rock/composition things on 'kid

a' consistently floor me, and i'm just getting into 'amnesiac' now. hearing

the evolution from one album to the next is nice as well.

what amazes me is that they're still as popular as they are, it gives me

hope...

questions: on the electronica side, what do people hear as influences? i'm

not so into that and keep seeing, say, aphix twin refered to. (aphex

maybe?) what are good starting points there?

ta,

marc

n.p. amnesiac, naturally.

>From: "&c."

>To:

>Subject: Radiohead

>Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:24:02 -0400

>I was very impressed by Ok Computer and then Kid A and felt that

>Radiohead

>was going somewhere. That's confirmed with Amnesiac. They're

>leaving

>behind a lot of the "rock" aspects of their sound and incorporating

>more

>free form compositions and of course techno. I've read some nasty

>reviews

>of Amnesiac which I think are unfounded. I stayed up until midnight

>to get

>a copy of it with my girlfriend at Tower (she's actually the bigger

>fan,

>though). I'd like to know if anyone likes the shift in style or

>feels, as

>many critics do, that they should revert to the classic Radiohead

>sound.

>Zach

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- - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:37:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Radiohead - --- PaanKu@aol.com wrote: > in an interview, thom yorke cited some of > radiohead's most prominent and more > recent influences to be Can, Kraftwerk, Faust, > Olivier Messian, Penderecki > and the 13th floor Elevators. i know about as much > about these musicians as > my grandmother You and your grandmother should DRONE-ON: http://www.no-fi.com/droneon_faq/ - -----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:02:48 -0400 From: pequet@altern.org Subject: Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times At 07:59 11/06/01 -0400, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: >Roger, ever since you joined this list a few months ago, you continually post >statements like this. well, I'd like elaboration on this one. what's your >point? are you saying no one should write about music? Not that I've been asked, and I would also like to have from the man himself an elucidation of his last posting, but I was under the impression that generally Mr Parry's messages you are referring to, have actually been obstinatedly very focused. 1. someone will make an elitist statement about "how things should be", presenting his views from an authoritative standpoint and as objective (while they aren't) and 2. Mr Parry would step in and say "not necessarily so (think about it)". Benjamin - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:56:56 -0400 From: Mark Saleski Subject: Re: Radiohead i've gotta say that i've never figured out what the big deal was/is with this band. after o.k. computer came out there was tons of press about them and their "groundbreaking" new recording. so, after reading so many articles and after hearing a fairly interesting review on terry gross's "fresh air" radio show, i bought o.k. computer. i still don't see how people can deem them the best rock band in the world. to me, o.k. computer comes across as low-rent king crimson. obviously i'm in the vast minority on this. - -- Mark Saleski - marks@foliage.com "Is it so wrong, wanting to be at home with your record collection?" - Nick Hornby - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:05:12 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Vision Fest in the NY Times In a message dated 6/11/01 10:57:20 AM, pequet@altern.org writes: << 1. someone will make an elitist statement about "how things should be", presenting his views from an authoritative standpoint and as objective (while they aren't) and 2. Mr Parry would step in and say "not necessarily so (think about it)". >> huh. the statement Jason made which Mr. Parry was commenting on was: <> how the hell is that elitist? it's not even really an opinion, it's pretty much a fact. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:57:40 EDT From: Eriedell@aol.com Subject: Re: Radiohead In a message dated 6/11/01 10:02:42 AM, marks@foliage.com writes: <> The mass appeal of Radiohead is Thom York's voice. I love Kc, but belew is rarely as personal as York. That and every now and then Radiohead has the ability to write some really amazing lyrics. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:05:07 -0700 From: Tosh Subject: Re: Radiohead on 6/11/01 9:57 AM, Eriedell@aol.com at Eriedell@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/11/01 10:02:42 AM, marks@foliage.com writes: > > < world. to me, o.k. computer comes across as low-rent king crimson. >> > > The mass appeal of Radiohead is Thom York's voice. I love Kc, but belew is > rarely as personal as York. That and every now and then Radiohead has the > ability to write some really amazing lyrics. > > > - > > I agree. Thom York does have an amazing voice, and I think he uses it quite effectively in the music. It is sort of used (the voice) as another instrument in the band. In many ways they remind me of Robert Wyatt. And saying that I like Wyatt much more than Radiohead. - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:57:21 EDT From: PaanKu@aol.com Subject: Re: Radiohead before we leave the alternative/electronica thread, can somebody suggest a good sonic youth album and stereolab album to introduce myself to them with? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:00:31 EDT From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: Radiohead - --part1_69.16901895.2856613f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/11/01 12:59:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Eriedell@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 6/11/01 10:02:42 AM, marks@foliage.com writes: > > < world. to me, o.k. computer comes across as low-rent king crimson. >> > > The mass appeal of Radiohead is Thom York's voice. I love Kc, but belew is > rarely as personal as York. That and every now and then Radiohead has the > ability to write some really amazing lyrics. > > I've heard all of Radiohead's work, and like then quite a lot in a Pink Floyd sort of way - however, I think most of Radiohead's lyrics are extremely banal. Dale. - --part1_69.16901895.2856613f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/11/01 12:59:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Eriedell@aol.com writes:

In a message dated 6/11/01 10:02:42 AM, marks@foliage.com writes:

<>

The mass appeal of Radiohead is Thom York's voice. I love Kc, but belew is
rarely as personal as York. That and every now and then Radiohead has the
ability to write some really amazing lyrics.

I've heard all of Radiohead's work, and like then quite a lot in a Pink Floyd
sort of way - however, I think most of Radiohead's lyrics are extremely banal.

Dale.
- --part1_69.16901895.2856613f_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:43:09 -0700 From: William Crump Subject: Re: Radiohead PaanKu@aol.com wrote: > before we leave the alternative/electronica thread, can somebody suggest a > good sonic youth album and stereolab album to introduce myself to them with? > SY: I'd say start with Daydream Nation, then EVOL, then Sister, then Goo, but my anti-recent-SY bias would be showing. Stereolab: I'd say start with Dots and Loops, then Emperor Tomato Ketchup, then work your way backwards in time. Heavy involvement by John McEntire (Tortoise, Sea & Cake, etc.) and Mouse on Mars on Dots and Loops. William Crump - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:12:47 EDT From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Radiohead While I'm not a big Radiohead fan, I definitely think they're a good, solid rock band, pretty inventive, and they just ooze charisma. I saw them during the "Creep" tour (1994? 1995?) backing up Soul Asylum and they just kicked major ass. Thom Yorke was an excellent frontman. Plus, Yorke worships Elvis Costello, so he's got a lot going for him taste-wise too. :) Finally, I saw them performing on MTV this past weekend and I found the songs (none of which I had ever heard before) unique and passionately performed. My two cents, Tom In a message dated 6/11/01 1:05:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tosh@loop.com writes: > on 6/11/01 9:57 AM, Eriedell@aol.com at Eriedell@aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/01 10:02:42 AM, marks@foliage.com writes: > > > > < > world. to me, o.k. computer comes across as low-rent king crimson. >> > > > > The mass appeal of Radiohead is Thom York's voice. I love Kc, but belew > is > > rarely as personal as York. That and every now and then Radiohead has the > > ability to write some really amazing lyrics. > > > I agree. Thom York does have an amazing voice, and I think he uses it quite > effectively in the music. It is sort of used (the voice) as another > instrument in the band. In many ways they remind me of Robert Wyatt. And > saying that I like Wyatt much more than Radiohead. > > > -- > Tosh Berman > TamTam Books ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:22:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Handley Subject: David Toop RAP ATTACK question The only edition of RAP ATTACK I can find in print is RAP ATTACK 3, ISBN #1852426276, June 1999, also referred to as "3rd revision" or "3rd edition". Is this simply a third edition, or is it a third volume in a trilogy? It's the title that's throwing me off. - -----s NR: Samuel Delany, DHALGREN; MOJO Magazine (does anyone else kind of like this? I guess this might be a guilty pleasure, but as pop/rock rags go, it's so much better than any American glossy I've read...that doesn't say much, I suppose; I was reminded of this magazine, as the current issue features Radiohead as cover material) NP: Gastr del Sol, CAMOUFLEUR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:15:51 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= Subject: HANATARASH - WANTED! HANATARASH - WANTED! 1. 'Worst Selektion' CS (Label?) 2. '1' LP (Alchemy, Japan. CN: ARLP007) 3. '3' LP (RRR, US. CN: ?) 4. '3' CD (RRR, US. CN: RRRCD049) I'm after other titles also, especially cassettes. I'd prefer to buy. Any information would be appreciated. Please contact me offlist replying to: blackoperations_uk@hotmail.com Thanks. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:22:53 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= Subject: WHITEHOUSE 'Tit Pulp' / 'Right to Kill' 7" AUCTION AUCTION. WHITEHOUSE 'Tit Pulp' / 'Right to Kill' 7" Concrete Company, Canada #054/133 Recordings taken from the 'Try and Be Grateful' Studio Action video, 1984. RECORD : EX SLEEVE : VG (r/w on back cover and slight creasing) Bids in by Friday, 15th June. Reply to : blackoperations_uk@hotmail.com Thanks. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:29:59 EDT From: Eriedell@aol.com Subject: Re: Delany (no zorn) In a message dated 6/11/01 2:13:11 PM, thesubtlebody@yahoo.com writes: << NR: Samuel Delany, DHALGREN >> Wasn't this slammed by critics? I'd be interested in what you think of it. ~eriedell - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:32:58 -0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Sonic Youth and Stereolab >before we leave the alternative/electronica thread, can somebody suggest a >good sonic youth album and stereolab album to introduce myself to them >with? Stereolab: No!, but for Sonic Youth try "NYC Flowers & Ghosts" by far the best they have ever done, and a real masterpiece (not at least thanks to O'Rourke's *incredible* production) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:05:07 -0700 From: Tosh Subject: Re: Radiohead on 6/11/01 9:57 AM, Eriedell@aol.com at Eriedell@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/11/01 10:02:42 AM, marks@foliage.com writes: > > < world. to me, o.k. computer comes across as low-rent king crimson. >> > > The mass appeal of Radiohead is Thom York's voice. I love Kc, but belew is > rarely as personal as York. That and every now and then Radiohead has the > ability to write some really amazing lyrics. > > > - > > I agree. Thom York does have an amazing voice, and I think he uses it quite effectively in the music. It is sort of used (the voice) as another instrument in the band. In many ways they remind me of Robert Wyatt. And saying that I like Wyatt much more than Radiohead. - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:05:27 -0400 (EDT) From: konrad Subject: Wyatt (was Re: Radiohead) On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Tosh wrote: > instrument in the band. In many ways they remind me of Robert Wyatt. And > saying that I like Wyatt much more than Radiohead. > What do you think is Wyatt's best (solo) work? I have "Mid Eighties" "Dondestan" (my fave of the three) and "Rock Bottom." I'm wondering if there's anything fantastic that i'm missing. konrad ^Z - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #461 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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