From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #469 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, June 19 2001 Volume 03 : Number 469 In this issue: - Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn) Re: Odp: King Crimson Re: Odp: King Crimson Massacre tonight Re: Odp: King Crimson Jon Is My Co-Pilot Merzbow Video Special DowntownMusic.net update Jazz em Agosto - Lisbon 1 to 12 August Boredoms anime conection Fwd: Jazz em Agosto - Lisbon 1 to 12 August sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore... Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore... Henry Threadgill Re: Henry Threadgill Odp: Odp: King Crimson Johnny Stecchino Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore... Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:39:42 +0200 From: "dekater" Subject: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Caleb T. Deupree To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 11:50 PM Subject: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn) > Another disturbing book that hasn't been mentioned yet this go-round is > House of Glass, by Mark Danielowski. Very well done horror story in the > trappings of scholarly wrapping, and some of the most interesting > typographical effects I've seen in a long time. I suppose this must be "House of Leaves" by Mark Z. Danielewski. For the rest, I completely agree. Jan Luyben - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 17:30:08 EDT From: Eriedell@aol.com Subject: Re: Odp: King Crimson In a message dated 6/17/01 8:48:48 AM, marcingokieli@go2.pl writes: << > C: what songs are frequently on the recent set-lists? >> I saw the first of Kc's four warm-up shows in Nashville last thursday evening. I can't remember the exact set list. They did play FraKctured, VROOOM, The ConstruKction of Light, Into The Frying Pan, Cage, The World's My....., Dinosaur, ProzaKc Blues, an amazing version of The Deception of The Thrush, David Bowie's Heroes, Elephant Talk, Frame by Frame and some newer tunes that have yet to be released as well as some older tunes that i can't remember. The show was really good even with a few mistakes from Belew as far as remembering lyrics, and messing up the guitar part on FraKctured. Belew's lead solos were great--if only all vocalists could handle lead guitar parts as well. Fripp was flawless. Gunn's solo on Deception of The Thrush made the evening as far as i'm concerned. Mastelotto nailed everything. The show was good enough that on the way home I put in a Kc cd--and it doesn't happen often that i'll want to listen to the same group on the ride home that i just finished seeing for two hours. If you've never checked them out before, seeing them live is probably the best introduction. ~Eriedell - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:01:01 EDT From: Eriedell@aol.com Subject: Re: Odp: King Crimson In a message dated 6/17/01 8:48:48 AM, marcingokieli@go2.pl writes: << I'm getting tired of Fripp recently, as i find his solos predictable, but the band is a wonder live. >> Possibly because most of his solos now are written out? He only took one improvised solo when i saw them in Nashville as far as i could tell. It gets hard to count individual notes when he plays that fast, but as far as i could tell, all his solos were note for note what they are on Heavy ConstruKction with the exception of his solo on The World's My... (i think, which ever song it was that i thought was different, it wasn't far off the solo on Heavy ConstruKction). Can anyone confirm that Fripp's solos for Kc's newer stuff are composed out? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:05:40 +0000 From: Philip Clarkson Subject: Massacre tonight > From: "Arthur Gadney" > Subject: Massacre tonight! > Is anybody going to the Massacre (w. Chris Cutler!) show tonight in London? > Please post comments! Just got back from the gig, which was hugely enjoyable - they played for about an hour, mainly doing several long improvised pieces, with a couple of shorter thrashier pieces thrown in. I imagine most of it is improvised, although a couple of the pieces seemed to start with "heads" or some pre-arranged idea of how to begin. Frith had two guitars - one laid flat on a table which he occasionally plugged into & used some sort of pickup to amplify the objects he pushed & scraped up the strings - a bow, a metal tin, metal chain etc etc. He mainly played his other electric guitar in a more conventional fashion, although using it as much for percussive effect as to pluck. He used a lot of effects pedals to loop various sounds & bits of feedback which he then improvised over. Laswell varied between very melodic playing (similar in style to on his Tzadik album, "Invisible Design"), jazzy runs, dub & funk riffs which anchored the pieces down & often led the way they progressed. It was enjoyable to hear him throwing Bootsy-style fuzzbass lines into the mix as Frith splintered out free-guitar noise over the top. Laswell also quoted riffs (I think) from Funkadelic's "Cosmic Slop", Sly Stone's "Thank You For Talking To Me Africa" & Trane's "A Love Supreme". Charles Heyward provided a powerful rhythmic charge - he also played melodica on a couple of the quieter sections. The band were really well received - they got a standing ovation, and Laswell even smiled, shockingly. Their playing reminded me as much of the backing for Percy Howard's "Meridiem" album as it did for the last Massacre one - it'd be great to hear some live releases from this line-up. Are they playing anywhere else in Europe? Chris Cutler's set was a lengthy improvised piece using a conventional drum kit & a load of electronic gear - samples were triggered pretty much constantly. It was kind of impressive to watch, but the lack of any melodic elements meant I wasn't unhappy when it finished. Just my tuppence's worth...anyone else see the gig? Phil Clarkson phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:55:33 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Odp: King Crimson On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 06:01:01PM -0400, Eriedell@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/17/01 8:48:48 AM, marcingokieli@go2.pl writes: > > << I'm getting tired of > > Fripp recently, as i find his solos predictable, but the band is a > > wonder live. >> > > Possibly because most of his solos now are written out? He only took one > improvised solo when i saw them in Nashville as far as i could tell. It gets > hard to count individual notes when he plays that fast, but as far as i could > tell, all his solos were note for note what they are on Heavy ConstruKction > with the exception of his solo on The World's My... (i think, which ever song > it was that i thought was different, it wasn't far off the solo on Heavy > ConstruKction). Can anyone confirm that Fripp's solos for Kc's newer stuff > are composed out? I know that much of the material (such as the entire third disc of Heavy ConstruKCtion) is completely improvised. He may be working with composed solos in the written-out songs, but that's far from the complete show. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:29:38 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Jon Is My Co-Pilot Hey all: I'm two years late jumping on this particular bus, but since some of you might not have checked this out, I beg of you a moment for a brief plug... About two years back, I asked my/our friend Jon Abbey for his recommendations regarding a "starter kit" for the new electro-improv scene of which he plays such a great part with his Erstwhile label. He supplied five titles, but given the difficulties in finding some of these things, I was slow in reacting. REAL slow. But I found myself in Mondo Kim's with some cash to burn on Friday afternoon, and finally acted on a few of his recommendations. I've not listened to the lot of them yet, but after one in particular, I felt that I had to share in public. To wit: The self-titled release by Dafeldecker, Kurzmann, Fennesz, O'Rourke, Drumm and Siewert on the Charizma label is just one of the best things I've heard in recent memory. It's more than an exceptional electro-acoustic improv disc - it's just a damn fine disc, period. I spent last night thoroughly engrossed in it. Go, go, get this. Thanks, Jon. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - nada (P.S. the rest of Friday's shopping: I.S.O. - 'I.S.O.' [also from Jon's list], John Oswald - '69-96,' Fennesz/O'Rourke/Rehberg - 'The Magic Sound of Fenno'berg' [a Brian O. recommendation], and Djam Karet - 'New Dark Age'... not a bad haul for one day...) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 05:26:15 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= Subject: Merzbow Video Special Merzbow Video Special http://www.newempire.com/articles/special.asp?SID=LIAOHBKSGF7X18062001061353&art=155 This video special is taken from a broadcast of german music tv station VIVA2 in early Jan. 2001. This "Wah Wah" (in short WAH2) TV special on Merzbow broadcasted on VIVA2 shows a live performance of Masami Akita (MERZBOW) and Zbigmiew Karkowski in August 2000 @ the C.U.B.A. in Muenster, Germany. It features live footage of Merzbow presenting the "Pulse Demon" release, Masami Akita and Zbigmiew Karkowski live on stage, statements and info on both artists as still images in between the video footage (geman only) and videos of MERZBOW, Pansonic and Microstoria. The files are in .wmv format (Windows Media Player 7 and up). Video 1 Running time: 21.24 Min.; Size 30 MB Video 2 Running time: 24.00 Min.; Size 34 MB Video 3 Running time: 11.27 Min.; Size 16 MB All files come with 176x144 pixel video @ 25 fps and a 64kpbs/44khz audio encoding. No commercials in between. Just the music. Enjoy. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 02:32:01 -0400 From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: DowntownMusic.net update Hello All, My site was finally updated. More than 500 pictures from this year New York concerts were added. Check them out. NP: Misha Mengelberg "Solo" (CD), Broezimann [5:25] - -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:44:47 +0100 (WET DST) From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Jazz em Agosto - Lisbon 1 to 12 August Hi! Since Effren mentioned it, i thought on posting the program for the Jazz in Agosto (happening in Lisbon): 1/08 - New York Art Quartet (Milford Graves/John Tchicai/Roswell Rudd/Reggie Workman/Amiri Braka) 2/08 - Wetaher Clear Track Fast (Lew Soloff/Joseph Bowie/Brigan Krauss/Terry Adams/Steve Swallow/Bobby Previte) 3/08 - Henry Threadgill "Make a move" (Tony Cedras/Brandon Ross/Stomu Takeishi/J.T.Lewis) 4/08 - Methwe Shipp solo 9/08 - Claude Tchamitchian "Grand Lousadzak" (Jean-Francois Canape/Jean-Luc Cappozo/Jean-Marc Foltz/Laurent Charles/Francois Corneloup/Daunik Lazro/Fabrice Charles/Stephan Oliva/Philippe Deschepper/Michael Nick/Laurent Hoevenaers/Eric Echampard) 10/08- Raymond Boni/Eric Echampard, Francois Cornelup trio (Claude Tchamitchian/Eric Echampard) 11/08- Eight Bold Souls (Edward Wilkerson, Jr/Harrison Bankhead/Robert Griffin/Gerald Powell/Isaiah Jackson/Naomi Millender/Mwata Bowen/Dushun Moseley) 12/08- The golden quartet (Wadada Leo Smith/Anthony Davis/Malachi Favors/Jack DeJonhette) greets, Ricardo Reis "Non Serviam" - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:50:04 +0100 (WET DST) From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Boredoms anime conection ! Don't know if this has been mentioned but at 1':17'' of track 7 of Boredoms album "Soul discharge 1999" there's a specific musical quote of a music from the anime series "Cowboy Beebop". back to work, Ricardo Reis "Non Serviam" - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:08:03 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Jazz em Agosto - Lisbon 1 to 12 August Hi Ricardo (and everyone)! Thanks for posting this. Do you know the website address where I can find info on ticket sales, etc? The program is simply unbelivable!! Thanks again, Efrén > > > program for > the Jazz in Agosto (happening in Lisbon): > > 1/08 - New York Art Quartet (Milford Graves/John > Tchicai/Roswell > Rudd/Reggie Workman/Amiri Braka) > > 2/08 - Wetaher Clear Track Fast (Lew Soloff/Joseph > Bowie/Brigan > Krauss/Terry Adams/Steve Swallow/Bobby Previte) > > 3/08 - Henry Threadgill "Make a move" (Tony > Cedras/Brandon > Ross/Stomu Takeishi/J.T.Lewis) > > 4/08 - Methwe Shipp solo > > 9/08 - Claude Tchamitchian "Grand Lousadzak" > (Jean-Francois > Canape/Jean-Luc Cappozo/Jean-Marc Foltz/Laurent > Charles/Francois > Corneloup/Daunik Lazro/Fabrice Charles/Stephan > Oliva/Philippe > Deschepper/Michael Nick/Laurent Hoevenaers/Eric > Echampard) > > 10/08- Raymond Boni/Eric Echampard, Francois > Cornelup trio (Claude > Tchamitchian/Eric Echampard) > > 11/08- Eight Bold Souls (Edward Wilkerson, > Jr/Harrison > Bankhead/Robert Griffin/Gerald Powell/Isaiah > Jackson/Naomi > Millender/Mwata Bowen/Dushun Moseley) > > 12/08- The golden quartet (Wadada Leo Smith/Anthony > Davis/Malachi > Favors/Jack DeJonhette) > > greets, > > Ricardo Reis > > "Non Serviam" > > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:06:56 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore... Just learnt that Lindsay Cooper died. We will miss her. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:20:12 -0400 From: "David Beardsley" Subject: Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrice L. Roussel > > Just learnt that Lindsay Cooper died. We will miss her. Sad news. David Beardsley - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:06:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "M.B." Subject: Henry Threadgill Anyone have any rec's for Threadgill? I found Makin' a Move and Too Much Sugar For A Dime in the used cd bin today and could use some suggestions as to where to go from there........ Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:36:04 +0200 From: Bertrand Guggenheim Subject: Re: Henry Threadgill > Anyone have any rec's for Threadgill? > I found Makin' a Move and Too Much Sugar For A Dime in the used cd bin > today and could use some suggestions > as to where to go from there........ Love your 2 and ... many others. Very Very Circus and Carry the Day also from the 90's in a similar mood: 2 guitars, 2 tubas, etc .... Wonderful arrangements with a "world" touch. Jazz purists will probably prefer the 80's Sextett (7 pieces indeed), not as catchy (?) as 90's stuff. I love especially "Just The Facts and Pass the Bucket", on About Time. Cadence should still have it on cd and LP. No recent Threadgill cd but 8 Bold Souls' Last Option is very much in the Threadgill style and it is a wonderful cd. And AIR, the quintessential 70's free bluesy sax-bass-drums trio, Threadgill, Fred Hopkins & Steve McCall. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:14:57 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Odp: King Crimson - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Possibly because most of his solos now are written out? He only took one > improvised solo when i saw them in Nashville as far as i could tell. It gets That's only a part of the story. I think he got too limited by his style of uncommon intervals, lots of sustain, etc.He could play some normal stuff from time to time. Look at what frisell plays: he's much more versalite. On the other hand, Scofield commits the same sin as fripp: his solos are great and very refined, but all are the same in some sense. I think that being composed is not a problem, I like some of them very much - for example 'elephant talk'. By now, all fripp solos consist of ultrafast notes, and his sound got too artificial. As to his sound, it was the best at fripp sylvian 'the first day', the sound oon 'vroom' is grreat also. More natural and dricher then the later, very synthetic sounds. - - > Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:05:30 -0400 From: "& c." Subject: Johnny Stecchino I just watched the wonderful Roberto Benigni film "Johnny Stecchino" which has music by Evan Lurie. I assume this is the same Lurie from the Lounge Lizards. Was most of the music performed by Lounge Lizards or part of them? The sax did sound like John Lurie. Zach _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:51:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore... - --- "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: >Just learnt that Lindsay Cooper died. We will miss > her. How long ago did this happen? I received a pretty detailed post about this on another list, weeks ago, but I think _that_ Lindsay Cooper was a man, a bassist. Is this definitely Ms. Cooper the bassoonist? - -----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:58:53 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore... On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Scott Handley wrote: > > --- "Patrice L. Roussel" > wrote: > >Just learnt that Lindsay Cooper died. We will miss > > her. > > How long ago did this happen? I received a pretty > detailed post about this on another list, weeks ago, > but I think _that_ Lindsay Cooper was a man, a > bassist. Is this definitely Ms. Cooper the > bassoonist? This is the basson/sopranino player and composer Lindsay Cooper, the woman, not the bass player. Yes, it has happened a few weeks ago but I just learnt it a few days ago and assumed that I was not the only one to ignore this sad news. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #469 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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