From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #496 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, July 11 2001 Volume 03 : Number 496 In this issue: - re Laswell- Imaginary Cuba laswell cuba Re: Locus Solus Re: Locus Solus Re: re Laswell- Imaginary Cuba syr5 trio Fred Frith - Clearing Merzbow Re: Arronofsky (was: free improv) Re: Merzbow Philly Experiment Re: Philly Experiment Re: Philly Experiment Re: Philly Experiment RE: Philly Experiment CD Sale list CD Sale list Re: Merzbow Re: Merzbow Gunryu island ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:02:38 EDT From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: re Laswell- Imaginary Cuba In a message dated 7/9/01 8:13:38 AM, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Laswell- Imaginary Cuba Anyone heard this? ,,,,I'm a fan of most Cuban music, though I lean toward a more brassy sound-if that helps any. >> there are two comps like that that laswell did, im told. i heard one was a 2cd in slipcase, which, tho i am no fan of laswells, i loved it! and it was of older recordings re-what-evered by laswell. it did have that brassy ethnic flavor you crave; i.e. was more the musicians than laswell's processing. i think it was put out by a french or brasilian label(?) i heard it at downtown music gallery and intend to buy it. im confused. im listening to really noisy things now and loving it. steve koenig n.p. gravitus: manifold records(.com) n.r. zornlist oh, and carmen mcrae biog 'miss jazz' by leslie gourse, billboard books - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:11:55 EDT From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: laswell cuba In a message dated 7/9/01 8:13:38 AM, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << There is another Double CD of similar stuff that I haven't heard, some of which is supposedly the originial tracks for the Imaginary Cuba CD. Anyone have opinions on this one compared to IC? tchau >> hi guys julian, diregards my previous personal letter, this "other' is the one i heard, which also has or uses the original tracks, i heard that one at downtown music gallery and loved it. more ethnic than laswell. steve koenig n.p. new parakayorgis trio on leo- great stuff - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:04:03 -0400 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: Locus Solus At 04:37 PM 7/9/2001 -0600, JonAbbey wrote: >is it really a minority? I think if I was forced to get rid of all my Zorn >discs save one, this would be the one I'd keep. Agreed. I think this is one of his finest (maybe other than Naked City)- in fact, I wish there were a lot more like it. I don't remember reading any bad reviews for this. Best, Jason Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 21:17:36 EDT From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Locus Solus In a message dated Mon, 9 Jul 2001 6:44:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JonAbbey2@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 7/9/01 2:02:15 PM, william_york@hotmail.com writes: << I'm in the minority that likes this album >> is it really a minority? I think if I was forced to get rid of all my Zorn discs save one, this would be the one I'd keep. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - >> Make the count three, though I'd trade this one before my Masada stuff, and probably the Naked City stuff...and probably _TBG_ and _Spillaine_...and - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 21:21:10 EDT From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: re Laswell- Imaginary Cuba In a message dated Mon, 9 Jul 2001 7:03:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Acousticlv@aol.com writes: n.p. gravitus: manifold records(.com) n.r. zornlist oh, and carmen mcrae biog 'miss jazz' by leslie gourse, billboard books >> Thanks for the words on the Laswell. I assume the "n.p." is the new Gravitar? Smokin' album... - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:25:11 From: "doron galili" Subject: syr5 trio Hello you all! I am not sure if this topic was not already discussed on the list, but what can you tell me about syr5 album? (kim Gordon / dj olive / mori) a very interesting line up, though I haven’t got a clue how it sounds like. Thanks! d. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:43:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Theo Klaase Subject: Fred Frith - Clearing - --0-1280133068-994761805=:60224 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just got Fred Frith's "Clearing" CD in the mail yesterday and Wow, it's quite good... Solo guitar and totally unique... Very little distorted guitars on the album... more of an acoustic sound with a sampler and some other effects (and overdubing)... One of the tracks is dedicated to Bill Frisell... Overall, I find the recording well worth the $$$, and as with almost anything Frith does, I'm sure it'll stand up to repeat listenings... This is the record of a mature musician with a refreshingly unique voice... Check it out... - -Theo - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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     I just got Fred Frith's "Clearing" CD in the mail yesterday and Wow, it's quite good... Solo guitar and totally unique... Very little distorted guitars on the album... more of an acoustic sound with a sampler and some other effects (and overdubing)... One of the tracks is dedicated to Bill Frisell... Overall, I find the recording well worth the $$$, and as with almost anything Frith does, I'm sure it'll stand up to repeat listenings... This is the record of a mature musician with a refreshingly unique voice... Check it out...

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http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - --0-1280133068-994761805=:60224-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:52:30 +0200 From: patRice Subject: Merzbow Hi y'all... 2 questions re: Merzbow - Which CD is a good starting point for a noise newbie? And can any comment on the Merzbow collaboration "A Perfect Pain", with Genesis P. Orridge? (BTW: anyone from this list know what GPO has been up to?) patRice np: Madrid De Los Austrias, Amor nr: Japan Tattoo Institute, Horihide's World - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:51:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Whit Schonbein Subject: Re: Arronofsky (was: free improv) apologies for the non-zorn content. zach writes: "I haven't given up on Arronofsky, but I think he should cool it with the "cool" camera tricks for his next film (I hope it can be called such)." I read somewhere that his next film (or one of them) is a live-action adaptation of the popular (in the us, at least) children's animated television show, 'batman beyond'. However, i also note that Variety reports he's attached to direct 'batman: year one', the fifth installment in the already established live-action batman franchise. whatever the case, i think he may pull it off nicely, even with (or because of) the tricks. nicely in comparison to other action-adventure movies, that is. whit np - soft boys, a can of bees - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:16:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Marks Subject: Re: Merzbow I always recommend "Music For Bondage Performance 2" which is on Extreme. It's still in print as far as I know. Most tracks fall in the 4-6 minute range so it easily digestable and you get a nice variety as well. So it's not just one big long monster track like some of his releases. The music is in the industrial/power electronic vein, as opposed to his "junk" music type stuff. That said, there is one 30 minute ambient piece at the end which is more subdued than the rest of the album, and seems like a left over from "Music for Bondage Performance 1". Another good one might be the Merzbow sampler, also on Extreme. The difference here is that this one covers 20 years of material, so you get a good overview of the different types of stuff he has done over the years. Again, most tracks aren't too long, with some being excerpts of tracks which are much longer in original form. Then again you could always just dive in wallet first and drop $500 on the Merzbox. :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:30:57 -0500 (CDT) From: kasra@ou.edu Subject: Philly Experiment I wanted to see if anybody had gotten a chance to hear the new collaboration between Uri Caine, Christian McBride, and Ahmir Thompson(?uestlove of The Roots) called "A Philadelphia Experiment". I picked it up yesterday and have only listened to a few tracks. But let me know if any of take a listen... kasra george ahmadi - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:37:45 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Philly Experiment On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:30:57 -0500 (CDT) kasra@ou.edu wrote: > > I wanted to see if anybody had gotten a chance to hear the new collaboration > between Uri Caine, Christian McBride, and Ahmir Thompson(?uestlove of The Roots) > called "A Philadelphia Experiment". I picked it up yesterday and have only > listened to a few tracks. But let me know if any of take a listen... What label? Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:41:41 -0500 (CDT) From: kasra@ou.edu Subject: Re: Philly Experiment If my mind serves me correctly, it's called Ropeadope Records. kga On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:30:57 -0500 (CDT) kasra@ou.edu wrote: > > I wanted to see if anybody had gotten a chance to hear the new collaboration > between Uri Caine, Christian McBride, and Ahmir Thompson(?uestlove of The Roots) > called "A Philadelphia Experiment". I picked it up yesterday and have only > listened to a few tracks. But let me know if any of take a listen... What label? Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:49:16 -0700 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Philly Experiment > I wanted to see if anybody had gotten a chance to hear the new collaboration > between Uri Caine, Christian McBride, and Ahmir Thompson(?uestlove of The > Roots) > called "A Philadelphia Experiment". I picked it up yesterday and have only > listened to a few tracks. But let me know if any of take a listen... > kasra george ahmadi > > - > I ran out and bought the thing and, at best, it's fair to middling. Not really a well-matched trio, and Pat Martino sounds stiff. And this is coming from someone who's been an Uri fan since about 1982. On the plus side, it's beautifully recorded. skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:33:02 -0400 From: "Sean Westergaard" Subject: RE: Philly Experiment it's nothing really groundbreaking, but cool, funky stuff. Bonus points to anyone who covers Marvin Gaye AND Sun Ra on the same album. Ropeadope was founded by John Medeski and his manager (i think). - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Skip Heller Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:49 PM To: kasra@ou.edu; zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: Philly Experiment > I wanted to see if anybody had gotten a chance to hear the new collaboration > between Uri Caine, Christian McBride, and Ahmir Thompson(?uestlove of The > Roots) > called "A Philadelphia Experiment". I picked it up yesterday and have only > listened to a few tracks. But let me know if any of take a listen... > kasra george ahmadi > > - > I ran out and bought the thing and, at best, it's fair to middling. Not really a well-matched trio, and Pat Martino sounds stiff. And this is coming from someone who's been an Uri fan since about 1982. On the plus side, it's beautifully recorded. skip h - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:29:39 +0100 From: Scott Subject: CD Sale list I have the following cd's for sale. P&P is extra. Please contact me offlist if you are interested. Scott - --=20 White Noise For experimental events in Scotland http://www.burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk email scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk =A315/$20 Paul Schutze, PaulineOliveros, Keiji Haino, Thomas Koner: Driftworks. Big Cat 4xcd. Scuffed slipcase. David Thomas;Monster: 5xcd box set. King Crimson: The Projeckcts. DGM 4cd set. =A310/$14 Jim O=B9Rourke: Disengage. Staalplat 2xcd =A37/$10 Jim O=B9Rourke: Tamper. Extreme Jim O=B9Rourke: remove The Need. Extreme Guy Klusevcek: Polka Dots and LaserBeams. EVVA David Weinstein: Perfume. Avant Boredoms: Super Roots 6. WEA Japan Cosmic Invention: Help Your Satori Mind. The Non Sound. Haino, Pjhillips, Toyozumi.PSF David Mahler: Hearing Voices.Tzadik. =A35/$7 Aphasia: Stereoisomerism. Staalplat Paul Schutze: The Annihilating Angel. Tone Casualties Paul Schutze: regard, music by film. Tone Casualties Barbed: Barbed. These Cutler/Frith: Live. ReR Mahar Halal Hash Baz: Souvenir De Mauve. Majikik Strafe FR: Lufthunger. Touch. John Wall: Fear of Gravity. Utterpsalm. Guy Klusevcek: Flying Vegetables of the Apocalypse. Experimental Intermedia= . Bob James Trio: Explosions. ESP/ZYX Music. Cutout. Astor Piazzolla: La Camorra. Nonesuch Astor Piazzolla: Rough Dancer and the Cyclical Night. Nonesuch Lucferrari: Piano Piano. Montaigne. Eugene Chadbourne/Paul Lovens: Patrizio. Victo Bob Ostertag/Kronos: All the Rage. Nonesuch Borbetomagus: Borbetomagus. Agaric Dave Douglas Tiny Bell Trio: Live in Europe. Arabesque. Tisiji Munoz: Breaking the Wheel of Life and Death.Anami. Altered States feat Ned Rothenberg: Cafe 9.15. Phenotype. Masami Akita: The Prosperity of Vice The Misfortune of Virtue.I. Noel Akchote Eugene Chadbourne, Marc Ribot:Lust Corner. Winter & Winter. Neu! unknown Popol Vuh: Einsjager & Siebenjager. Spalax Popol Vuh: In der garten Pharaos. Spalax =A33/$5 Simon FisherTurner, OST to Derek Jarman=B9s Blue.Mute Simon FisherTurner, The Garden OST.Mute. Thomas Demenga play Holliger and Bach. ECM David Soldier: The Kropotkins. Koch Jon Hassell and Bluescreen. Dressing for Pleasure. Warner. Sonic Youth: Experimental JetSet, Trash and No Star. Geffen Sonic Youth: Dirty. Geffen - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:29:39 +0100 From: Scott Subject: CD Sale list I have the following cd's for sale. P&P is extra. Please contact me offlist if you are interested. Scott - --=20 White Noise For experimental events in Scotland http://www.burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk email scott@burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk =A315/$20 Paul Schutze, PaulineOliveros, Keiji Haino, Thomas Koner: Driftworks. Big Cat 4xcd. Scuffed slipcase. David Thomas;Monster: 5xcd box set. King Crimson: The Projeckcts. DGM 4cd set. =A310/$14 Jim O=B9Rourke: Disengage. Staalplat 2xcd =A37/$10 Jim O=B9Rourke: Tamper. Extreme Jim O=B9Rourke: remove The Need. Extreme Guy Klusevcek: Polka Dots and LaserBeams. EVVA David Weinstein: Perfume. Avant Boredoms: Super Roots 6. WEA Japan Cosmic Invention: Help Your Satori Mind. The Non Sound. Haino, Pjhillips, Toyozumi.PSF David Mahler: Hearing Voices.Tzadik. =A35/$7 Aphasia: Stereoisomerism. Staalplat Paul Schutze: The Annihilating Angel. Tone Casualties Paul Schutze: regard, music by film. Tone Casualties Barbed: Barbed. These Cutler/Frith: Live. ReR Mahar Halal Hash Baz: Souvenir De Mauve. Majikik Strafe FR: Lufthunger. Touch. John Wall: Fear of Gravity. Utterpsalm. Guy Klusevcek: Flying Vegetables of the Apocalypse. Experimental Intermedia= . Bob James Trio: Explosions. ESP/ZYX Music. Cutout. Astor Piazzolla: La Camorra. Nonesuch Astor Piazzolla: Rough Dancer and the Cyclical Night. Nonesuch Lucferrari: Piano Piano. Montaigne. Eugene Chadbourne/Paul Lovens: Patrizio. Victo Bob Ostertag/Kronos: All the Rage. Nonesuch Borbetomagus: Borbetomagus. Agaric Dave Douglas Tiny Bell Trio: Live in Europe. Arabesque. Tisiji Munoz: Breaking the Wheel of Life and Death.Anami. Altered States feat Ned Rothenberg: Cafe 9.15. Phenotype. Masami Akita: The Prosperity of Vice The Misfortune of Virtue.I. Noel Akchote Eugene Chadbourne, Marc Ribot:Lust Corner. Winter & Winter. Neu! unknown Popol Vuh: Einsjager & Siebenjager. Spalax Popol Vuh: In der garten Pharaos. Spalax =A33/$5 Simon FisherTurner, OST to Derek Jarman=B9s Blue.Mute Simon FisherTurner, The Garden OST.Mute. Thomas Demenga play Holliger and Bach. ECM David Soldier: The Kropotkins. Koch Jon Hassell and Bluescreen. Dressing for Pleasure. Warner. Sonic Youth: Experimental JetSet, Trash and No Star. Geffen Sonic Youth: Dirty. Geffen - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:46:59 EDT From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Merzbow Supposedly he has a few out there that are less noise/more "psychedelic" that *I'd* be interested in. Anyone? That power electronics stuff makes me want to break things...like my stereo system. - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:20:25 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Merzbow At 02:52 PM 7/10/01 +0200, patRice wrote: > >2 questions re: Merzbow - > >Which CD is a good starting point for a noise newbie? I don't have a large Merzbow collection, but I can easily recommend his collaboration with Christoph Heeman on Streamline, which is much less noisy than anything else I've heard from him. Heeman puts the volume into the background and overlays his own strange, drone electronics. It sounds like Merzbow playing in a dense fog. I also like his Live at Radio 100 album, which is Merz and a couple of assistants DJing, and you can hear Louis Armstrong, Beach Boys, and others in the mix. Very wild. The tribute album is ok; hearing Bernhard G=FCnter's remix is worth the price of admission. And although I don't have the album yet, I've heard that 1930 on Tzadik is also very good, and may be more easily available than others. The Wire article on Merzbow a while back had a primer in a sidebar, but this doesn't seem to be online at their site yet. - -- One day the United States discovered that it was an empire. But it didn't know what an empire was. It thought that an empire was merely the biggest of all corporations. -- Roberto Calasso Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:25:51 +0100 (WET DST) From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Gunryu island I bought this one after Cobra - 1994 Tokyo Operations. The disc is an hommage to a samurai fight that happened in ganryu island (i know, is in the liner notes but what the liner notes don't say is...) about two samurais. Sasaki Kojiro has killed Miyamoto Musashi father's after being defeated by him. So, this is the avenging fight between the two. Musashi will win and appear has the best swordsman in japan. so, it's an avenging story punctuated by Zorn's on reeds and sato Michihiro on shamisen. while i was hoping for a kind of more classica traditional japan style music i was utterly (and gladly) disapointed. there is a clash of sound here, like in a sword fight, with both players clashing and retreating, moments of joint playing alternating with lonely and circuling around, like gathering atack space or breeding. some voicing is also made, if i do recall it, like one is used to see in a real fight. so, through 12 tracks, the fight develops till the final death of Kojiro. there is also a movie about this japones famous duel... greets, Ricardo Reis "Non Serviam" - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #496 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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