From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #545 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, August 24 2001 Volume 03 : Number 545 In this issue: - Re: Bill Dixon (Re: groundbreaking: the inverse) Re: Cultural vs. regular Zionism new Laurie Anderson Hespos (was: mainstream jazz piano) Re: hot thumbs o'riley frith again Re: harry partch Re: Hespos (was: mainstream jazz piano) Re: harry partch cds for sale Re: cds for sale cueniform/wayside Re: cueniform/wayside Re: cds for sale Re: Bill Dixon (Re: groundbreaking: the inverse) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:27:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Bill Dixon (Re: groundbreaking: the inverse) As for the Dixon Ork in 2000: I'm not to sure you'd want the session on disc. I was there and vastly disappointed. He had a large orchestra made up of a clutch of interesting people, but didn't seem to utilize their talents at all. To be simplistic, it was minimalistic music, but so fragmented that it could as easily been played by a much smaller group. If I remember correctly only Karen Borca's bassoon made any impression. But that's because she was one of the few players who got any room -- or in fact made any sound at all. All in all a missed opportunity. The Little Huey Ork with tenor saxophonist Kidd Jordan as soloist showed what could be done with a large group a few days later. Ken Waxman - --- JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > << Is Dixon working at all with larger-scale > ensembles? >> > > he led an orchestra in the Vision Festival recently, > maybe in 2000. > > <> > > no idea, but he's notoriously tough to deal with, > one reason that his discography is so small. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:44:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Cultural vs. regular Zionism As far as I know OK *is* smart Ken Waxman - --- Skip Heller wrote: > > > I'm reminded that, if I recall the story > correctly, Jazz producer > > Orrin Keepnews kept a large sign on his wall > saying "Important to > > whom?" > > Damn, he was smart. > > skip h _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:15:19 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: new Laurie Anderson For those who don't know it yet, a good portion of the NW Downtown Scene is featured on the new Laurie Anderson records: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - LIFE ON A STRING: Laurie Anderson Recorded at The Lobby, New York City Produced by Hal Willner and Laurie Anderson Laurie Anderson: vocals, keyboards, violin, gongs, percussion; Tom Nelis (1): vocals; John Kelly (1): background vocals; Joey Baron (1,5,8,9): per- cussion, drums; Chris Speed (2): tenor; Cuong Vu (2): trumpet; Skuli Sverrisson (2-6,8-12): bass, little organ, high bass, sounds, keyboards; David Torn (2): open loop; Greg Cohen (2): bass; Danny Frankel (2,11): per- cussion, hand claps, 'box-o-toys'; Mino Cinelu (2): percussion; Eyvind Kang (3): violin; Erik Friedlander (3-5,10,11): cello; Mitchell Froom (3,8,11): keyboards, Claviola, Mellotron, Wurlitzer; Liheng (5): baritone banhu; Peter Scherer (5,8,12): keyboards, percussion; Jamshied Sharifi (5): additional keyboards, strings; Hal Willner (6,7): turntables, samples; Van Dyke Parks (7): string arrangements, conductor, keyboards; Ann Leathers (7): violin; Carol Webb (7): violin; Jan Mullen (7): violin; Jonathan Dinklage (7): vio- lin; Ricky Sortomme (7): violin; Joel Pitchon (7): violin; Ellen Payne (7): violin; Barry Finclair (7): violin; Enrico DiCecco (7): violin; Heidi Modr (7): violin; Jean Ingram (7): violin; Sue Pray (7): viola; Karen Dreyfus (7): viola; Vincent Lionti (7): viola; Judith Wilmer (7): viola; Fredrick Zlotkin (7): cello; Jeanne LeBlanc (7): cello; Timothy Cobb (7): bass; Bill Frisell (9): guitar; Ben Rubin (9): bells; Mocean Worker (11): beats, key- boards; Lou Reed (11): guitar; Martin Brumbach (11): percussion arrangement; Vinicius Cantuaria (12): percussion. 2001 - Nonesuch (USA), 79539-2 (CD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Not listened to it yet. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:40:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Handley Subject: Hespos (was: mainstream jazz piano) > And exactly what is the 'contemporary classical' > thang? Does it include, > for example, someone like Hespos who composes music > that often sounds like > 'free jazz'? This sounds interesting; who is this person? Can you recommend anything by them? I tried a web search but came up with nothing the first time around. - ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:43:35 +0200 From: Jerzy Matysiakiewicz Subject: Re: hot thumbs o'riley CuneiWay@aol.com wrote: > > It's actually a Jim Pembroke (voice & leader [?]) of Wigwam, one of Finland's > best known progressive rock acts) solo album. > > Jim has about 5-6 other albums from the 70's/early 80's, & Wigwam themselves > have an additional 8-9 albums. Thanks a lot jm - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:53:21 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?= Subject: frith again This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C12CCE.0C294180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi, although many of you posted good recommendations of Fred Frith's work, I = lost all the info in my computer a couple of months ago. Can anyone drop a line on Frith's "The top of his head" and "Technology = of Tears"?. Thanks in advance (again) Best regards, Efr=E9n n.p: Ennio Morricone: "More Mondo Morricone" (Colosseum). A while ago, = someone asked for Morricone's recommendations. The collection "Mondo = Morricone", consisting of two volumes (that I know) is a great = compilation of his pop/easy listening songs. These are scores for = italian cult movies and is really amazing. - ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C12CCE.0C294180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi,
 
although many of you posted good recommendations of = Fred=20 Frith's work, I lost all the info in my computer a couple of months=20 ago.
 
Can anyone drop a line on Frith's "The top of his = head" and=20 "Technology of Tears"?.
 
Thanks in advance (again)
 
Best regards,
 
Efr=E9n
n.p: Ennio Morricone: "More Mondo Morricone" = (Colosseum). A=20 while ago, someone asked for Morricone's recommendations. The collection = "Mondo=20 Morricone", consisting of two volumes (that I know) is a great = compilation of=20 his pop/easy listening songs. These are scores for italian cult movies = and is=20 really amazing.
- ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C12CCE.0C294180-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:46:05 +0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: harry partch >From: "David Beardsley" > >He would be 100 this summer. > Perhaps Wynton (the 'jazz Gary Coleman') Marsalis and Stanley (negroid american music doyen) Crouch are hard at work organising a Lincoln Center retrospective to celebrate this... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:54:52 +0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: Hespos (was: mainstream jazz piano) >From: Scott Handley >This sounds interesting; who is this person? Can you >recommend anything by them? I tried a web search but >came up with nothing the first time around. > Hans-Joachim Hespos, a German composer, with 2 CDs on the CPO label (a subsidiary of Naxos), I'd recommend the one entitled 'Works' , performed by Ensemble 13. Sorry I can't offer more info, I'm in the process of moving, my CDs are all in storage right now... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:43:41 -0700 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: harry partch There has been a great deal of attention paid Partch these last few years. The Blackburn book got a great deal of press, and, earlier this year, UCLA had a full-on Partch exhibit of the instruments, a lecture thing, and a performance of some of the more known stuff. Expecting the mainstream attention paid to, say, Mahler is asking a little much. Partch's stuff is too hard to get performed (cartage and insurance on the instruments alone is extremely expensive, and it's not like you can call SIR and get a crumelodian sent over, plus there's not an unlimited pool of people who play these instruments well enough to mount a whole lot of performances), and it's not like a whole slew of post-HP works have been written for those players and those instruments. In order for a composer to get launched, especially if he's not around to publicize himself, it needs to be practical to perform his works (just like rock'n'roll bands have to tour to get exposure). Partch's vision painted him into a corner on that level. On the plus side, his legacy is extremely strong and well-documented, enough that, even though there is not likely to be a whole New Partch Era, he's definitely got a respectable and formidable place in history. Given the difficulties of presenting his work, I'd say that's the most we can hope for. On the other hand, if Wynton were to take up the cause, the unbelievable could and likely would happen -- a Partch performance at Lincoln Center. But I have the feeling that -- before anyone played a note -- the self-appointed Partch police would condemn the performance. skip h np: Ives Plays Ives - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:45:18 +0100 From: Kevin Molony Subject: cds for sale This is a barefaced marketing ploy to relieve some of my groaning shelves. Please reply off list if interested. =20 Prices are =A35 or $8.00 inclusive of shipping MARK HELIAS(w.LOPATA,MOORE,ROBERTSON,RAINEY)ATTACK THE FUTURE ENJA MARY McAULIFFE ARK SEXTET S/T KOCH HERB ROBERTSON/DUVAL/ROSEN FALLING IN FLAT SPACE CJR ED JACKSON WAKE UP CALL NEW WORLD BERN NIX TRIO w.FRED HOPKINS ALARMS AND EXCURSIONS NEW WORLD GREAT CIRCLE SAXOPHONE QUARTET CHILD KING DICTATOR FOOL NEW WORLD BILLY TIPTON SAX QUARTET BOX NEW WORLD TOM VARNER LONG NIGHT BIG DAY NEW WORLD LEE HYLA WE SPEAK ETRUSCAN NEW WORLD GEORGE LEWIS CHANGING WITH THE TIMES NEW WORLD FAR EAST SIDE BAND CAVERNS NEW WORLD GERRY HEMMINGWAY QUINTET THE MARMALADE KING HAT ART SUSIE IBARRA ASSIF TSAHAR HOME COOKIN' HOPSCOTCH JIM STALEY BLIND PURSUITS EINSTEIN MYRA MELFORD'S CRUSH(W.TAKEISHI/WOLLESEN) DANCE BEYOND THE COLOR ARABESQUE THOMAS CHAPIN/ASLAN/IVERSON AVANTANGO EPSA DORGON/WILLIAM PARKER BROKEN CIRCLE JUMBO NED ROTHENBERG SYNC INTUITION BOB NEILL WHY I LIKE COFFEE NEW WORLD JAMES EMERY SEPTET (EHRLICH/SPEED/FELDMAN/HEMMINGWAY/NORTON/FORMANEK) SPECTRAL DOMAINS ENJA MARIO PAVONE SONG FOR SEPTET NEW WORL= D MARIO PAVONE TOULON DAYS NEW WORL= D JEROME HARRIS HIDDEN IN PLAIN VIEW NEW WORL= D MARTY EHRLICH'S DARK WOOD ENSEMBLE JUST BEFORE THE DAWN NEW WORL= D DAVID TAYLOR PAST TELLS NEW WORL= D EHRLICH/ERSKINE/FORMANEK RELATIVITY ENJA EHRLICH DARK WOODS ENSEMBLE 2CD LIVE WOOD MUSIC&ARTS **=A37/$1= 0 JULIUS HEMPHILL SEXTET AT DR.KING'S TABLE NEW WORL= D MARTY EHRLICH CAN YOU HEAR A MOTION ENJA MARTY EHRLICH THE TRAVELLER'S TALE ENJA MARTY EHRLICH SIDE BY SIDE ENJA MARTY EHRLICH DARK WOODS ENSEMBLE(W.MUHAL ABRAMS) EMERGENCY PEACE NEW WORL= D - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:01:25 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: cds for sale You might not be aware of that, but Cuneiform/Wayside has been selling most of these New World records for... $3.50 (yes, brand new, not second hand). Patrice. On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:45:18 +0100 Kevin Molony wrote: > > This is a barefaced marketing ploy to relieve some of my groaning shelves. > Please reply off list if interested. > > Prices are £5 or $8.00 inclusive of shipping > > MARK HELIAS(w.LOPATA,MOORE,ROBERTSON,RAINEY)ATTACK THE FUTURE ENJA > MARY McAULIFFE ARK SEXTET S/T KOCH > HERB ROBERTSON/DUVAL/ROSEN FALLING IN FLAT SPACE CJR > ED JACKSON WAKE UP CALL NEW WORLD > BERN NIX TRIO w.FRED HOPKINS ALARMS AND EXCURSIONS NEW WORLD > GREAT CIRCLE SAXOPHONE QUARTET CHILD KING DICTATOR FOOL NEW WORLD > BILLY TIPTON SAX QUARTET BOX NEW WORLD > TOM VARNER LONG NIGHT BIG DAY NEW WORLD > LEE HYLA WE SPEAK ETRUSCAN NEW WORLD > GEORGE LEWIS CHANGING WITH THE TIMES NEW WORLD > FAR EAST SIDE BAND CAVERNS NEW WORLD > GERRY HEMMINGWAY QUINTET THE MARMALADE KING HAT ART > SUSIE IBARRA ASSIF TSAHAR HOME COOKIN' HOPSCOTCH > JIM STALEY BLIND PURSUITS EINSTEIN > MYRA MELFORD'S CRUSH(W.TAKEISHI/WOLLESEN) DANCE BEYOND THE COLOR ARABESQUE > THOMAS CHAPIN/ASLAN/IVERSON AVANTANGO EPSA > DORGON/WILLIAM PARKER BROKEN CIRCLE JUMBO > NED ROTHENBERG SYNC INTUITION > BOB NEILL WHY I LIKE COFFEE NEW WORLD > JAMES EMERY SEPTET > (EHRLICH/SPEED/FELDMAN/HEMMINGWAY/NORTON/FORMANEK) SPECTRAL DOMAINS ENJA > MARIO PAVONE SONG FOR SEPTET NEW WORLD > MARIO PAVONE TOULON DAYS NEW WORLD > JEROME HARRIS HIDDEN IN PLAIN VIEW NEW WORLD > MARTY EHRLICH'S DARK WOOD ENSEMBLE JUST BEFORE THE DAWN NEW WORLD > DAVID TAYLOR PAST TELLS NEW WORLD > EHRLICH/ERSKINE/FORMANEK RELATIVITY ENJA > EHRLICH DARK WOODS ENSEMBLE 2CD LIVE WOOD MUSIC&ARTS **£7/$10 > JULIUS HEMPHILL SEXTET AT DR.KING'S TABLE NEW WORLD > MARTY EHRLICH CAN YOU HEAR A MOTION ENJA > MARTY EHRLICH THE TRAVELLER'S TALE ENJA > MARTY EHRLICH SIDE BY SIDE ENJA > MARTY EHRLICH DARK WOODS ENSEMBLE(W.MUHAL ABRAMS) EMERGENCY PEACE NEW WORLD > > > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:06:41 -0700 From: Skip Heller Subject: cueniform/wayside Who's their distributor? skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:06:05 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: cueniform/wayside On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:06:41 -0700 Skip Heller wrote: > > Who's their distributor? I guess I could let Steve answering... Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:53:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: cds for sale - --- "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: > > You might not be aware of that, but > Cuneiform/Wayside has been selling most of > these New World records for... $3.50 (yes, brand > new, not second hand). I tried to find these listed on their website, but had some trouble. Is there any easy way to view all the Black Saint/Soul Note stuff together? Do they even mark the BS/SN items with their label name? - ------s NP: XHOL, MOTHERFUCKERS LIVE (United Durtro) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:42:16 -0400 From: "Matthew Mitchell" Subject: Re: Bill Dixon (Re: groundbreaking: the inverse) - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII A trumpeter friend of mine who likes Bill Dixon a lot and was looking forward to one of their concerts HATED the concert. Maybe that's a strong word, but he was vastly disappointed. -mm - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Waxman To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com ;JonAbbey2@aol.com Sent: 8/24/01 10:27:56 AM Subject: Re: Bill Dixon (Re: groundbreaking: the inverse) As for the Dixon Ork in 2000: I'm not to sure you'd want the session on disc. I was there and vastly disappointed. He had a large orchestra made up of a clutch of interesting people, but didn't seem to utilize their talents at all. To be simplistic, it was minimalistic music, but so fragmented that it could as easily been played by a much smaller group. If I remember correctly only Karen Borca's bassoon made any impression. But that's because she was one of the few players who got any room -- or in fact made any sound at all. All in all a missed opportunity. The Little Huey Ork with tenor saxophonist Kidd Jordan as soloist showed what could be done with a large group a few days later. Ken Waxman - --- JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: Is Dixon working at all with larger-scale ensembles? he led an orchestra in the Vision Festival recently, maybe in 2000. no idea, but he's notoriously tough to deal with, one reason that his discography is so small. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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A trumpeter friend of mine who likes Bill Dixon a lot and was looking forward to one of their concerts HATED the concert.  Maybe that's a strong word, but he was vastly disappointed. -mm
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Waxman
Sent: 8/24/01 10:27:56 AM
Subject: Re: Bill Dixon (Re: groundbreaking: the inverse)

As for the Dixon Ork in 2000:
 
I'm not to sure you'd want the session on disc. I was
there and vastly disappointed. He had a large
orchestra made up of a clutch of interesting people,
but didn't seem to utilize their talents at all. To be
simplistic, it was minimalistic music, but so
fragmented that it could as easily been played by a
much smaller group. If I remember correctly only Karen
Borca's bassoon made any impression. But that's
because she was one of the few players who got any
room -- or in fact made any sound at all.
 
All in all a missed opportunity.
 
The Little Huey Ork with tenor saxophonist Kidd Jordan
as soloist showed what could be done with a large
group a few days later.
 
Ken Waxman
 
 
> << Is Dixon working at all with larger-scale
> ensembles? >>
>
> he led an orchestra in the Vision Festival recently,
> maybe in 2000.
>
> <>
>
> no idea, but he's notoriously tough to deal with,
> one reason that his discography is so small.
 
 
 
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