From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #552 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, August 28 2001 Volume 03 : Number 552 In this issue: - RE: SABBATH Zorn-pol RE: metal instrumental (was LORDS...) Re: SABBATH Re: SABBATH Re: Aging Artists Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #549 THANKS (was: Black Sabbath) RE: SABBATH MICHAEL MOYNIHAN Napalm Death RE: Lords of CHOAS! Trisha Brown/Dave Douglas review ? Re: Trisha Brown/Dave Douglas review ? Re: Fwd: Trisha Brown/Dave Douglas review ? Avant garde classics on Mappings, week of August 28, 2001 Re: Napalm Death Re: Radical Zorn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 03:25:22 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: SABBATH Quoth David Beardsley: > The album with Purples Ian Gillan, Never Say Die is great too. 'Never Say Die' was the last Ozzy album, as Michael pointed out. The one with Gillan was 'Born Again.' In between came the first two records with Ronnie James Dio, 'Heaven and Hell' and 'Mob Rules,' both of which are brilliant records if not really the same band stylistically as the Oz-period Sab was. He did another one a lot later that I never heard, having pretty much tuned out completely when they started to be something like Tony Iommi's version of Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow, with a rotating cast of mostly second rate singers. (Gillan, by the way, didn't go straight from Deep Purple to Sabbath. In between, I know that he had a band under his own name. I never heard them, mind you, but they always had ads in 'Smash Hits,' the trashy British pop mag I used to buy back in high school for Adam and the Ants and Spandau Ballet articles and Kim Wilde pin-ups. So did David Coverdale's Whitesnake - another Purple refugee there - when they had their power ballad hits in the late '80s, I always wondered if the girls getting all hot for Coverdale knew that he was older than their dads... geez, do I get nastier the later it gets or what?) Thanks, Jeton, for the advice about the Castle reissues. I've long wanted to pick up the classic Sab albums on disc, but I'd been leary of getting the Warner CDs, figuring they'd be just as you've described them. Glad to know there's an alternative, and Amazon's got 'em all, bless their hearts... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:32:11 +0000 From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Zorn-pol I must apologize for the excessive signature quotes on the bottom of my last post. Microsoft hotmail has been screwing up my comfort zone of late. Hopefully I've now killed the HTML as well. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:22:26 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: RE: metal instrumental (was LORDS...) At 08:49 PM 8/26/01 -0400, Steve Smith wrote: > >...the more operatic style of metal vocals ... >...the Cookie Monster school of vocalism... These two phrases sum up pretty much everything I haven't liked about metal, and the things that make me leery about checking out some of the groups that have been discussed here. But everything I read about the instruments is making me extremely curious to hear more. Can this experienced group please recommend some good n=FCmetal releases where the vocals are kept at a minimum? - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:48:18 -0400 From: "David Beardsley" Subject: Re: SABBATH - ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Smith > Quoth David Beardsley: > > > The album with Purples Ian Gillan, Never Say Die is great too. > > 'Never Say Die' was the last Ozzy album, as Michael pointed out. Actually he didn't. If you read all that I wrote, it's kind of obvious I made a typo. > The one > with Gillan was 'Born Again.' In between came the first two records with > Ronnie James Dio, 'Heaven and Hell' and 'Mob Rules,' both of which are > brilliant records if not really the same band stylistically as the Oz-period > Sab was. There was a doulble live album before Born Again too. > He did another one a lot later that I never heard, having pretty > much tuned out completely when they started to be something like Tony > Iommi's version of Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow, with a rotating cast of > mostly second rate singers. > > (Gillan, by the way, didn't go straight from Deep Purple to Sabbath. I didn't say he did. His solo bands were not very memorable. > Thanks, Jeton, for the advice about the Castle reissues The reissues are great. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:52:43 EDT From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: SABBATH In a message dated 8/27/01 7:42:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, db@biink.com writes: > > The one > > with Gillan was 'Born Again.' In between came the first two records with > > Ronnie James Dio, 'Heaven and Hell' and 'Mob Rules,' both of which are > > brilliant records if not really the same band stylistically as the > Oz-period > > Sab was. > > There was a doulble live album before Born Again too. This is "Live Evil," featuring the Ronnie James Dio line up. The mixing of this album led to the disintegration of the line up, Dio accusing Iommi of trying to turn down the vocals, Iommi claiming that Dio went into the studio after hours to turn them back up. Tom - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:36:34 -0500 From: "&c." Subject: Re: Aging Artists "Or alcohol, driving and a ditch did" You know what I meant... - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:44:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Grey ElkGel Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #549 - --- JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > which is why I was careful to add the word "club" > rather than just saying "NYC debut", my nitpicking > friend. :) oops! i completely missed the "club" part - guess i'm not such a nitpicker after all. .greg. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:50:04 +0200 From: patRice Subject: THANKS (was: Black Sabbath) Hi. Thanks a lot to all of you who replied to my request; you've been very helpful! Decided to order "Black Sabbath" and "Vol. 4" for a start. patRice np: Body Count, Body Count nr.: Mel Cheren, My Life & The Paradise Garage - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:00:08 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: SABBATH David Beardsley sed: >> 'Never Say Die' was the last Ozzy album, as Michael pointed out. > >Actually he didn't. If you read all that I wrote, it's kind of obvious I >made a typo. I did read all you wrote, and it's kind of obvious I didn't understand that there was a typo - clearly something got lost in the formatting on this reader's end. My apologies for the misunderstanding, naturally. >There was a doulble live album before Born Again too. Right: the one that put an end to that lineup, thanks to the bickering between Dio and Iommi. >> (Gillan, by the way, didn't go straight from Deep Purple to Sabbath. > >I didn't say he did. His solo bands were not very memorable. No, you didn't and no, they weren't (although Metal Blade would seem to have disagreed, having reissued damn near all of them - uggh). The point of the interjection was to assert my self-deprecating wit - and thereby reaffirm my monstrous self-absorption - with the personal aside about Adam Ant and Kim Wilde, not to indicate that you had missed something. Again, my apologies for the confusion. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:02:18 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= Subject: MICHAEL MOYNIHAN Found it. http://www.wweek.com/html/leada081600.html ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:16:52 +0100 From: "Iain Kitt" Subject: Napalm Death This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0131_01C12F35.35D7ECC0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0132_01C12F35.35D7ECC0" - ------=_NextPart_001_0132_01C12F35.35D7ECC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BlankI'm not sure what category of metal they fall into but Napalm Death = are appearing locally in a few weeks time. What's the Zorn- list view? = Are they worth going to see? Iain Kitt - ------=_NextPart_001_0132_01C12F35.35D7ECC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blank
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I have their "A Sceptic's Universe" CD, and I found it to be too much of a Watchtower clone. The singer tends to be quite annoying as well, sounding like Paul Stanley in some sections, and the production/mix sounds uncannily similar to Cynic's "Focus"... still, it's much better than what all these not-so-minor criticisms make it sound like. My metal recommendations for the zorn-ophiles (meaning, slim chance of Cannibal Corpse-esque garbage in here): Tormentor - Recipe Ferrum (Avantgarde Records, 2000) Amorphis - Elegy (Relapse Records, 1996) Ved Buens Ende - Written in Waters (Misanthropy, 1995) Brutal Truth - Sounds of the Animal Kingdom (Relapse, 1997) Burzum - Filosofem (Misanthropy, 1996) Cynic - Focus (Roadrunner, 1993) Meshuggah - Chaosphere (Nuclear Blast, 1998) Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity (Relapse, 1999) Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger (Peaceville, 1994) S.O.D. - Everything! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Obtenga su dirección de correo-e gratis @yahoo.com en http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:45:53 +0200 From: Pascal Cortes Subject: Trisha Brown/Dave Douglas review ? Hi Z-listers, The Trisha Brown Company and Dave Douglas will be dancing and playing in France in October, not so far from my place. But, since it is still a few hundred kilometers from where I live and since I have never been to a dance show till now, I would have liked to have your opinions on this show: Anyone has seen ? Is it worth the price of the ticket ? How is the music ? How is the dancing ? For those who are around here, the french dates are: October 13: Reims; October 16-18: Lyon ; October 20: Valence; October 23-24: Grenoble ; October 27: Annecy and October 30: Chambery (France). And then the company will be in Spain for a few shows. Thanks. Pascal. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:22:15 +0200 From: patRice Subject: Re: Trisha Brown/Dave Douglas review ? Salut Pascal. I can't comment about the Brown/Douglas happening since I haven't seen it. But: a few years ago, while I was living in London, a New York dance company - very famous, very highly regarded in dance circles, just can't recall their name - had a performance at the Royal Albert Hall, dancing to parts of Naked City's Absinthe, later to a live performance by the Arto Lindsay band (feat. Marc Ribot). I'm not into dance performances at all, but nevertheless decided to go to the show just to see Lindsay & Ribot. It did not convert me to dance, but I must admit that I did enjoy the whole show very much - it was great to see the dancing to music I like so much, and it did seem to somehow make sense... Hope this little story helps... patRice np: Eminem, Marshal Mathers LP nr: Mel Cheren, My Life & The Paradise Garage Pascal Cortes wrote: > Hi Z-listers, > The Trisha Brown Company and Dave Douglas will be dancing and playing in > France in October, not so far from my place. > But, since it is still a few hundred kilometers from where I live and since > I have never been to a dance show till now, I would have liked to have your > opinions on this show: Anyone has seen ? Is it worth the price of the > ticket ? How is the music ? How is the dancing ? - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:40:39 +0200 From: Pascal Cortes Subject: Re: Fwd: Trisha Brown/Dave Douglas review ? Ho hoooooo... so maybe I was wrong.... But anyway, you should check: I first saw the Lyon dates on Dave's website, true. And then went to Trisha Brown's site (http://www.trishabrowncompany.org/performance%20schedule.htm) and found the other dates (November 3 Gij=F3n, Spain Teatro Jouellanos, November 6 Vigo, Spain Teatro Garc=EDa Barb=F3n, November 8 La Coru=F1a, Spa= in, November 9 Santiago, Spain).=20 But it's true they don't make it clear if Dave Douglas is part of the trip.... Maybe you can e-mail the Company (address on their website). Pascal. At 12:45 28/08/01 +0200, Efr=E9n wrote: > >> And then the company will be in Spain for a few >> shows. >That's great news for me Pascal. I'm in Barcelona. >Where can I check the Spanish dates of the tour?. I >visited the Douglas website but didn't see them. > >Thanks, > >Efr=E9n =20 > >_______________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicaci=F3n instant=E1nea gratis con tu gente - >http://messenger.yahoo.es > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:34:00 -0500 From: Herb Levy Subject: Avant garde classics on Mappings, week of August 28, 2001 Hi y'all, This week on Mappings , you'll hear recently reconstructed performances of classic avant garde works by Robert Ashley, Larry Austin, Hugo Ball, Johanna M Beyer, George Cacioppo, Cornelius Cardew, Phillip Corner, Malcolm Goldstein, Dick Higgins, Toshi Ichiyanagi, Tomas Marco, Erik Satie, James Tenney, Tristan Tzara, Robert Wilson, Christian Wolff. The show went online Monday evening around 10:00 PM (-0800 GMT) and will remain online at the above URL for a week. Last week's program (featuring music for string quartet by Franghiz Ali-Zadeh, John Cage, Henry Cowell, Ruth Crawford Seeger, Tina Davidson, Fred Frith, Heinz Holliger, Eleanor Hovda, Gyorgy Ligeti, Ingram Marshall, Conlon Nancarrow, Phill Niblock, Bob Ostertag, John Oswald, Steve Reich, Kaija Saariaho, Giaconto Scelsi, Lois V Vierk, and Julia Wolfe) is still available in the Mappings archive , where you can also find play lists for the program since it began in March 1998. Hope you tune in to the program. Bests, Herb - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:00:58 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= Subject: Re: Napalm Death Depending on how much the entrance fee is, there're definitely worth going to see. Brutal, etc. I lost interest in them years ago now, but some of my friend's have been with them all the way. Their last few releases have been the best things they've done since the early days, of 'Scum', 'From Enslavement to Obliteration', etc. Those titles and a couple more are the only NAPALM DEATH records I care about and would recommend. Being a NAPALM DEATH obsessive in the late 80's was part of how I got first got into JOHN ZORN. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:55:19 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Re: Radical Zorn That was NOT before the masada ST CD - it was '99 warsaw summer jazz days. And if you listen closely, you'll hear my reponse to JZ's query - 'wypierdalac', the only correct one (most people suggested 'speirdalac', which is more of a 'fuck off')... BTW the show was great, and i have all three parts on superb quality recordings on CD (the shows were broadcasted on the radio, but i managed to get copies of original digital recordings). Any trades? (NO MONEY, in fact, i'd be able to copy it for free if someone needs it badly and don't have any boots for trade) - ----- Original Message ----- From: > All this talk reminds me of an early (pre-CD) recording of a Masada > String Trio(Friedlander, Feldman and Cohen) concert that I got from the > ol' Napster(I know, I know, JZ wouldn't approve - awfully tasty, > though...). > Just before they began, after introducing the musicians, John Z banished > the knot of photographers from the front of the stage("I don't care who > you are, or what color your hair is dyed."), asking the audience how to > say "Get the fuck out" in Polish - this was Warsaw. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #552 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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