From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #558 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, September 1 2001 Volume 03 : Number 558 In this issue: - Re: W&W, SC3, RealAudio, Watts/Keltner RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert Re: W&W, SC3, RealAudio, Watts/Keltner Re: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert Ribot's guitar new glenn gould Radio Doc release Age, Sabbath, Zorn, Coltrane Re: JMT RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert Re: JMT Re: RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert Re: Ribot's guitar re: SC3 Keep the River on Your Right Re: Ribot's guitar King Tubby / Dub (NO ZORN CONTENT - SORRY!) RE: Age, Sabbath, Zorn, Coltrane RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert RE: SC3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:15:15 -0600 From: smokey@laplaza.org Subject: Re: W&W, SC3, RealAudio, Watts/Keltner Dang It, Didn't Winter & Winter used to have a cleverly arranged site when they first got going a few years ago??? Just have to put another plug in for those Secret Chiefs previews - Whew! - NP, by the way. Those boys are marching to another drummer - some A-rab rock drummer. Yow. Cheep, too, at $11 for 25 or so tunes... http://www.midheaven.com/labels/web.of.mimicry.html Anybody know the logistics of putting Real Audio samples on a site? Expensive software, license? Another odd possible gem: Charlie Watts/Jim Keltner Project - all tunes named for their drummer/percussion heroes: 1. Shelly Manne 2. Art Blakey 3. Kenny Clarke 4. Tony Williams 5. Roy Haynes 6. Max Roach 7. Airto 8. Billy Higgins 9. Elvin Suite Heard some interesting samples at http://www.jpc.de Anybody heard more? Many things on my mind, Dan in Taos - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 00:54:17 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert About the new Impulse! release 'Spiritual,' ICE says nada -- I'd wondered that very thing myself. The release was listed, but, alas, no details. My guess is that it's previously available stuff - them rekkid company peeps DO like to pat themselves on the back anytime they get their hands on something genuinely "unreleased." Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Beethoven String Quartet Op. 132 - mvt 3, Artemis Quartet (Ars Musici) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 15:10:10 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: W&W, SC3, RealAudio, Watts/Keltner > Didn't Winter & Winter used to have a cleverly arranged site when they > first got going a few years ago??? I do remember a site, don't remember it being particularly cleverly arranged however... > Just have to put another plug in for those Secret Chiefs previews - > Whew! - NP, by the way. Those boys are marching to another drummer - > some A-rab rock drummer. Yow. Cheep, too, at $11 for 25 or so tunes... > http://www.midheaven.com/labels/web.of.mimicry.html Anyone else having problems with these files? I've got most of them to play after much perseverance, but some are still just timing out.. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:34:04 -0600 From: malczewski@earthlink.net (Frank Malczewski) Subject: Re: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert Actually, there's been some discussion about these releases in the Coltrane mailing list. I didn't pay much attention to this particular release, as I think it is indeed (just/mostly?) reissued material. Seems like, however, that Verve has been getting a few 'new' tidbits here and there from the Coltrane estate (i.e., Ravi) and sprinkling them about on their more recent/upcoming CDs. E.g., the recent greatest hits package has a unreleased studio version of a song (can't remember which, "Impressions" maybe). And they're supposedly reissuing/remastering other CDs and will include a new cut or two. So, if you want everything, you'd probably have to buy just about every CD they put out or reissue. I don't know. I think Coltrane is the greatest, but even my completist impulses have been dampened by this approach. The claim is that some of this 'newer' material may show up later in a more appropriate format (i.e., not just part of some other rerelease), but with Verve I'll believe it when I see it. Other Coltrane news: Pablo is about to put out a 7CD set of live in Europe (I think from the early 60s) material, apparently a significant amount of it never before released. Don't know about the sound quality either, but likely some of this stuff will sound a lot better than the boots we've been subjected to over the years, as the tapes are from Norman Granz (same source for the earlier Pablo releases). I've heard a 9/28 release date for it. - --Frank > About the new Impulse! release 'Spiritual,' ICE says nada -- I'd wondered > that very thing myself. The release was listed, but, alas, no details. My > guess is that it's previously available stuff - them rekkid company peeps DO > like to pat themselves on the back anytime they get their hands on something > genuinely "unreleased." > > Steve Smith - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 15:58:05 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Ribot's guitar Just looking at a picture which I believe was taken at "The Gift" launch. Ribot is playing a bright (white or silver) guitar with a retro/surf kind of shape, the headstock is a similar shape to the body. It's also got a huge tremolo bar. Anyone know what kind of guitar this is? I think I can make out an 'S' as the first letter on the headstock... Thanks, Julian. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 03:09:26 EDT From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: new glenn gould Radio Doc release In a message dated 8/30/01 1:28:40 PM, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << From: James Hale Subject: Re: Glenn Gould (zero Zorn content) Here in Canada, Gould is almost as well known for his (non-musical) work ... number of major documentaries for CBC Radio, including a stunning sound-montage called 'The Idea Of North' that was way ahead of its time (especially given that it's all manually edited using razor blade and >> HOWDY fellow ZORN-LISTERS, In the Naxos America new release list in today's mail was the CBC disc (Naxos distribs CBC in USA) of 2 Gould radio Docs from the early 70s: one of Pau Casals, the other on Stokowski, on a 2cd set, PSCD-2025-2. I own "The Idea Of North,' part of a 3cd set called 'The Solitude Trilogy," and think a great many of you would enjoy it. Havent heard the new releases yet, of course. Yrs Steve Koenig n.,p.: (just got a machine for) DVD: Die Walkure: Levine, Met Op n.r.: naxos new release catalog- w/ a new antheil ballet mechanique - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 07:22:11 -0400 From: "Jeton Ademaj" Subject: Age, Sabbath, Zorn, Coltrane Hi All, Age: I believe Tonic and the Knit pseudo-advertise themselves as "18 to enter, 21 to drink" because of NYC's evil tude to clubs, but I've never seen either place card someone for mere entrance. As teenagers, a friend and I would take his pre-teen brother to the knit all the time. I still remember Last Exit at the knit in '90, me and my friend stuck back about 4 people deep (which mattered cuz there was a 6'5" GORGEOUS skinhead blocking our view, and while lysergically enjoying the auditory aspect of one of life's greatest possible shows, visually me and Brian had to watch skinhead beat out RSJ's rhythms against the back of his girlfriends' unhappy neck!) while Scotty (his then 12 yo brother, looking 9ish) simply wormed up front and I watched both Sonny Sharrock and Pete Brotzmann play musical lines directly to him. Also, I've recently seen kids running around at shows at both Tonic and the Knit. However, in it's difficulties the knit is frequently finding or resurrecting old or illogical 'rules' to 'enforce' lately, and with sporadic consistency. Give 'em a call, and whatever they say be prepared for it or it's opposite! Sabbath: More on the Castle tip... Black Sabbath I is a weird issue on the Castle label. on the plus side, it's remastered from the master tapes (u hear MUCH new detail n structure) AND has Sab's 1st single "Evil Woman" on it (which i didn't know existed till i got this edition) but on the minus side it appears the the master tape had degenerated a bit. "Wicked World" is the big issue, it's hi-hat line sounds muffled even as the rest of the track is more fleshed out. Worse, "WW" is now the LAST song on the album (after 'warning') and in it's place is "evil woman" which, while interesting, is actually sucky compared to the rest of their classic oevre (better then 'technical ecstasy' by light years, tho) "evil woman' was also mastered differently n sounds outta place. I still keep my old cheap American release of "Black Sabbath" for these reasons. "Paranoid" and "Master of Reality" experience the best effect on the new label (u can hear and discern EVERY WORD in 'Planet Caravan' for example). They're really too heavy to be believed. Zorn: Steve (Koenig) (Helllllllooooooooooooo, btw:) ), i found some other concert at Columbia on Nov. 29th. I found no listing for Zorn at all. Can u give more details? Coltrane: Steve (Smith): thanks fer the Coltrane info, I'm surprised no one's released it till now! I expect it'll be a very emotional recording to hear for many people. peace fer now, all :) - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:54:07 -0500 From: "&c." Subject: Tonic and Knitting Factory Are shows at Tonic and the Knitting Factory all ages or do you have to be 21 to enter. A young friend of mine is visiting New York and is looking for good concerts. Thanks for the help. Zach _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 10:25:10 -0400 From: "Alan Lankin" Subject: Re: JMT Has W&W listed a schedule? Alan Lankin lankina@att.net http://jazzmatazz.home.att.net - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Dietz" Sent: August 30, 2001 3:59 AM Subject: JMT > > Winter & Winter just announced that they are reissuing the whole JMT catalog > in chronological order starting this September with 3 CDs every month... > > Andreas > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 14:52:42 +0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert >From: "Steve Smith" > >About the new Impulse! release 'Spiritual,' ICE says nada -- What about the important stuff that was touted a few years back when Impulse started reissuing the Trane stuff, like the alternate Love Supreme with Archie Shepp? Alice has a cache of unreleased tapes... np: James Brown Live At The Apollo Volume II Deluxe Edition _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 10:59:51 EDT From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: JMT In a message dated 9/1/01 10:39:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lankina@att.net writes: > Has W&W listed a schedule? > They don't have a website, but if you email them your snail mail address they'll send you a hard copy of their release schedule. WinterProduction@compuserve.com Tom - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 11:04:33 EDT From: Stinkipipi@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert >What about the important stuff that was touted a few years back when Impulse >started reissuing the Trane stuff, like the alternate Love Supreme with >Archie Shepp? Alice has a cache of unreleased tapes... if i remember correctly from the coltrane list, ravi seems to be mostly in charge of whatever archives the coltrane family has, and the because of his own careere, he doesn't have a ton of time to devote to it. dave bill laswell/mick harris/eraldo bernocchi/lori carson discographies : http://www.geocities.com/slntwtchr coming soon - mickharris.net and eraldobernocchi.net.... - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 11:08:05 -0400 From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: Ribot's guitar Anyone have the URL of this image? Thanks! Maurice At 3:58 PM +1000 9/1/01, Julian wrote: >Just looking at a picture which I believe was taken at "The Gift" launch. >Ribot is playing a bright (white or silver) guitar with a retro/surf kind of >shape, the headstock is a similar shape to the body. It's also got a huge >tremolo bar. Anyone know what kind of guitar this is? - -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 11:09:18 -0400 From: Taylor McLaren Subject: re: SC3 MEEP! smokey@laplaza.org wrote: >Just have to put another plug in for those Secret Chiefs previews - Actually, this is pretty cool... it's nice to hear that the material they played on their last tour has finally found its way to disc. (All of five samples into the list, I've already recognized two of my favourite passages from the half-hour jam that they played with members of Estradasphere at their show in Toronto last May. Okay, make that three sections now that I've finished typing that sentence.) In other parts, I was just putting away a big stack of records and ran across the _Ghost Dog_ soundtrack that I had been asking about when the list went blooey last time, and I remembered that I had wanted to ask somebody: what's on the Japanese CD that didn't make it to the (actually pretty disappointing... I'm hovering on the brink of adding the Wu Tang Clan to my list of critics' lies) North American double-vinyl effort? Are the actual cues from the movie available, or was there some other batch of bonus material altogether? Finally, I wanted to thank the list as a whole for being such a great ongoing source of random musical chatter. I've finally started to check out the Residents and other Ralph names (on the strength of previous discussions of same) over the last few weeks, and the results have dramatically brightened an otherwise dismal stretch at the office. Merci. - -me (Make that five passages from the SC3 show... I guess I'll be ordering a copy of this new album now.) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 11:55:51 -0400 From: Dennis Summers Subject: Keep the River on Your Right This may have already been mentioned, I'm ashamed to say I'm a little behind in my reading. I just saw the documentary "Keep the River on Your Right" about the gay artist/anthropologist/cannibal. It was a fine movie, but for all you people who want to know of all things Zorn related, John Zorn's name appears in the "thank-you" credits at the end of the movie, and if I caught the fast moving credits correctly music from Steve Bernstein on Tzadik was used in the film. yours in zornocity --ds Dennis Summers Quantum Dance Works members.home.net/dennisqdw/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 08:58:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan Earixson Subject: Re: Ribot's guitar Possibly a Schecter Hellcat? http://www.schecterguitars.com/products/g4_main.htm - -nme! - --- Julian wrote: > Just looking at a picture which I believe was taken at "The Gift" launch. > Ribot is playing a bright (white or silver) guitar with a retro/surf kind of > shape, the headstock is a similar shape to the body. It's also got a huge > tremolo bar. Anyone know what kind of guitar this is? I think I can make out > an 'S' as the first letter on the headstock... > > Thanks, > Julian. > > > - > ===== *********************************************** "but I remember, when we were young." *********************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 18:32:49 +0200 From: patRice Subject: King Tubby / Dub (NO ZORN CONTENT - SORRY!) Hey boys & girls... My memory is getting worse and I'm not sure if this has already been talked about here... but anyways: What CDs / records would you recommend as a starting point for King Tubby's work? And/or are there any other dub producers/artists you feel I should also lend an ear to? Thanks for your help! patRice np: NWA, 100 Miles And Runnin' nr: Nick Hornby, How To Be Good - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:38:59 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Age, Sabbath, Zorn, Coltrane Jeton: Thanks for the detailed descriptions of the Castle Sabbath issues. Got to admit, I felt mighty conflicted yesterday when I got to Tower Records and the Warner versions of all of the Sabbath classics were on sale for a measly $7.99 apiece... but I somehow refrained. As for the Zorn concert on November 29, I'll step in for Steve K. and mention that if it was the Miller website you consulted, they've still got last year's schedule posted. The Zorn concert is indeed happening on November 29th this season. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Hedwig and the Angry Inch, "The Origin of Love," OST (Hybrid) - possibly the best movie I've seen this summer... - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:44:50 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: John Coltrane - The Olatunji Concert There seems to be some debate as to whether the 'Love Supreme' outtakes with Shepp and Art Davis actually exist, or were preserved. The album's liner notes verify that said recording took place, however, and Shepp told me in an interview that a Japanese collector had played him rough cassette dubs of them. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Tommy Gnosis, "Wicked Little Town," 'Hedwig and the Angry Inch' OST (Hybrid) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of thomas chatterton What about the important stuff that was touted a few years back when Impulse started reissuing the Trane stuff, like the alternate Love Supreme with Archie Shepp? Alice has a cache of unreleased tapes... - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:49:16 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: SC3 Yes, I remember your query - perhaps superstition kept me from bringing it up again (again again again again again again again again again...). I don't know what was on the US double LP you mention, but the Japanese CD issue was touted as being the one and only release of the music cues from the film. It's grown on me a bit, but it still feels rather slight. Anyone heard RZA's new Bobby Digital release on Koch? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Hedwig and the Angry Inch, "Wig in a Box," OST (Hybrid) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Taylor McLaren In other parts, I was just putting away a big stack of records and ran across the _Ghost Dog_ soundtrack that I had been asking about when the list went blooey last time, and I remembered that I had wanted to ask somebody: what's on the Japanese CD that didn't make it to the (actually pretty disappointing... I'm hovering on the brink of adding the Wu Tang Clan to my list of critics' lies) North American double-vinyl effort? Are the actual cues from the movie available, or was there some other batch of bonus material altogether? - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #558 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com