From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #584 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, October 5 2001 Volume 03 : Number 584 In this issue: - Osaka bondage. Re: New Frisell [was RE: Jazz History] Jim Black Joey Baron Re: Joey Baron Odp: Joey Baron Jeffrey Allport and Tim Olive Tour Re: Japanese Death Metal, Black, Doom, etc Re: Joey Baron Re: Odp: Jazz History Tickets for Bjork Fwd: Joey Baron Re: Joey Baron Re: Fwd: Joey Baron New Masada The Black Glove (NYC) Re: New Frisell [was RE: Jazz History] Odp: Jazz History Re: Begotten Re: Begotten ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 02:08:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Taylor McLaren Subject: Osaka bondage. Okay, so I probably should have asked this *prior* to moving, but since I've been living in Osaka for a couple of days now, I have to do the traditional list-tourist thing and ask y'all for suggestions as to worthwhile sources of interesting books, movies, and music. The net-cafe place I'm in now has an entertaining selection of cheap CD singles and laserdiscs in its basement, but beyond that, I haven't been here long enough to find a blessed thing. Any suggestions? - -me _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 23:37:24 -0700 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: New Frisell [was RE: Jazz History] > 'Nashville' was definitely prompted by Nonesuch, but I get the distinct > feeling from listening to and speaking with Bill that he's doing exactly > what he wants to do. You only need to hear him play acoustic country and > folk guitar duets with Tony Scherr unplugged at the Village Vanguard to get > a sense of that. > > The disc with Holland and Jones is a lot more sedate than I'd anticipated, > but it's still miles above anything he's done since dismissing Driscoll and > Baron, IMHO. The disc was made on the fly over the course of two days, > which is why there's so much old Frisell material on it - he was afraid he > wouldn't have his shit together enough to play with those guys if he tried > anything harder... I was under the impression Joey quit. skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 09:02:26 +0100 From: Richard Gardner Subject: Jim Black Saw Laurie Anderson 2 nights ago in Bristol UK. Not a fan but find some of her stuff is ok. Watched the band walk on stage and was surprised to see Jim Black sit at the drums. He is one of my favourite drummers with, among other things, the fantastic Tiny Bell Trio. Fascinating to see such a creative drummer working in a very restricted performance. It made my night. As far as I was concerned I saw a Jim Black show with Laurie Anderson on vocals. Richard Gardner - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 08:54:45 -0400 From: Bob Sweet Subject: Joey Baron Greetings All: I've been reading so much about Joey Baron lately, yet I've not had the opportunity to hear much of his playing. Would someone be willing to step out with recommendations of recordings that represent his best output as a player? Y'all are so in the know. Reading this list keeps my musical world ever expanding. Thanks, Bob Sweet bsweet@umich.edu bsweet@arborville.com READ Music Universe, Music Mind: Revisiting the Creative Music Studio http://www.arborville.com subscribe to CMS Update http://www.arborville.com/subscribe.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 08:57:01 EDT From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Joey Baron Bob, My favorite sideman Baron performances: Naked City Masada (especially the live discs) Tim Berne (his JMT stuff) Bill Frisell I'm sure there are hundreds of others, but those are the ones that I know well enough to recommend unreservedly. I've only heard one of Joey's solo albums -- "Down Home" -- and enjoy it a lot, but as a leader his playing is tastefully restrained so I don't know if you'll hear his full technical potential on this or any of his other solo discs. Happy listening, Tom In a message dated 10/5/01 8:53:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bsweet@umich.edu writes: > Greetings All: > > I've been reading so much about Joey Baron lately, yet I've not had the > opportunity to hear much of his playing. Would someone be willing to > step out with recommendations of recordings that represent his best > output as a player? > > Y'all are so in the know. Reading this list keeps my musical world ever > expanding. > > Thanks, > > Bob Sweet ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 15:40:10 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Joey Baron - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Sweet Hi, try 'frisell dricoll baron live' first, then masada 3, Naked City Grand Guignol. I did not like his solo albums that much, although the barrondown live show I've been to is one of the best things I've ever seen. > I've been reading so much about Joey Baron lately, yet I've not had the > opportunity to hear much of his playing. Would someone be willing to > step out with recommendations of recordings that represent his best > output as a player? > > Y'all are so in the know. Reading this list keeps my musical world ever > expanding. > > Thanks, > > Bob Sweet > bsweet@umich.edu > bsweet@arborville.com > READ Music Universe, Music Mind: Revisiting the Creative Music Studio > http://www.arborville.com > subscribe to CMS Update > http://www.arborville.com/subscribe.html > > - > Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - - ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 2001 09:48:49 -0700 From: Dan Given Subject: Jeffrey Allport and Tim Olive Tour I would like to make a recommendation that anyone who gets the opportunity should check these guys out. I saw them last night, and was quite impressed. Basically they're a couple of nobodies out of Victoria BC, travelling by bus and hocking some CD-Rs to pay for their meals. Allport plays with a couple of small drums, a cymbal (no stand) and contact mikes; Olive does tabletop guitar with dental floss, tuning forks, bubble wrap, etc (yeah, don' they all these days!). Their music is extremely quiet --clicks, pops, scrapes, etc -- and also extremely captivating. Probably of interest to you folk who like Erstwhile releases (especially the minimalism of somethng like the Tetreault/Drumm duo). Jeffrey Allport/Tim Olive tour schedule: Oct. 4- Edmonton, AB. Yardbird site. Oct. 7- Saskatoon, SK. Unitarian Centre. Oct. 10- Winnipeg, MN. Venue TBA Oct. 13- Toronto, ON. Array music studio Oct. 21- New York, NY. ABC no rio Oct. 26- Boston, MA. Zeitgeist gallery Oct. 27- Baltimore, MD. Red room Oct. 29- Columbus, OH. Madlab Nov. 3- Chicago, IL. Nervous centre Nov. 14- Vancouver, BC. the Havana. Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:45:28 +0200 From: Jeroen de Boer Subject: Re: Japanese Death Metal, Black, Doom, etc Hi, A bit late, but after I purchased an album by Sigh I remembered this subject came up a couple of weeks ago. The title of the album is Scenario IV: Dread Dreams. I gave it a listen, because I read a raving review of their latest effort a while ago (don't know the title..). The album I bought was released in 1999 on Cacophonous Records (www.cacophonous.com). Their music is a rather strange mix of black metal vocals, old school heavymetal riffs, funny samples an oldfashioned organsound and female voices. If you aren't familiar with them check it out. You might enjoy it! Best, Jeroen > hey zorns, > > all i am interested in is Japanese Death Metal bands with dignity and good > metal. i just want good metal and i want the best fucking metal vocalists > japan has. i need to know from where i can purchase any of this stuff and i > also need more japanese Black Metal and Doom Metal and any other GREAT metal > bands. please give me good stuff to listen to and seek. > > -Samuel > np: Angelcorpse- The Inexorable > > "Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, > The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere > The ceremony of innocence is drowned; > The best lack all conviction, while the worst > Are full of passionate intensity. > And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, > Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?" > -William Butler Yeats > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > - - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeroen de Boer content director Cyberslag Content Providing Damsterdiep 15 9711SG Groningen The Netherlands t +31(0)503115496 m +31 (0)624814506 f +31(0)503119447 jeroen@cyberslag.nl www.cyberslag.nl - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 11:10:17 -0700 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Joey Baron > Greetings All: > > I've been reading so much about Joey Baron lately, yet I've not had the > opportunity to hear much of his playing. Would someone be willing to > step out with recommendations of recordings that represent his best > output as a player? Bill Frisell -- This Land Joey Baron -- Crackshot Uri Caine -- Urlicht skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 11:11:52 -0700 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Odp: Jazz History > > I 'd agree with you, but i have to say that 'gone, just like a train' > is one of my favourite albums: the quiter rhythm section works very > well. But the nest record is not even half as exciting > > I liked the tunes on that one (espec "Ballroom" or whatever it's called), but it lacked something for me. sh - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 12:16:41 -0500 (CDT) From: kasra@ou.edu Subject: Tickets for Bjork Hey everybody, I was wondering if anybody knew where I could get tickets (besides ebay) to one of the Bjork US shows in either Chicago, Los Angeles, or Oakland. Thanks. Kasra George Ahmadi - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:47:42 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Joey Baron Hi, Besides the bands previously mentioned (NC, Masada, Tim Berne's JMT period and Bill Frisell's trio), I dig a lot Baron's contribution to the Sephardic Tinge record along with Anthony Coleman and his longtime ryhtmic partner Greg Cohen. I don't know why but he's pretty restrained in his albums as a leader. I guess it must have to do with an attitude against the typical virtuoso. However, his most spectacular playing you'll find in Naked City and Masada by far. I really like other drummers like Jim Black, Susie Ibarra, Andrew Cyrille and countless others, but Baron has IMHO perfect skills in many senses: astounding technique, sense of humour, incredible interplay w/ his bandmates, will to entertain (which musn't be mistaken for a will to "show the audience how well I play"), etc... Best, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:33:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Gabriel Drummer Subject: Re: Joey Baron As it has been said, you should get the Bill Frisell with Kermit Driscoll and Joey Baron CD; any Masada is also quite representative (the live CD's are on fire); Crackshot by Barondown showcases Joey doing it all. To round your appreciation of Baron's musicianship, check Grace under pressure, by John Scofield (with Frisell and Charlie Haden); also Sound of surprise, by Lee Konitz. Enjoy them. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 13:36:07 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Fwd: Joey Baron On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:47:42 +0200 (CEST) =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= wrote: > > Hi, > > Besides the bands previously mentioned (NC, Masada, > Tim Berne's JMT period and Bill Frisell's trio), I dig > a lot Baron's contribution to the Sephardic Tinge > record along with Anthony Coleman and his longtime > ryhtmic partner Greg Cohen. Totally agree. And since we are talking about jazz trio, what about the fantastic one with Misha Mengelberg (NO IDEA and WHOSE BRIDGE)? Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 07:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Theo Klaase Subject: New Masada - --0-620473527-1002291001=:1411 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The new Masada, live at Tonic, reminds me of when I saw them play in New York at the Center for Jewish History on December 9th... The intro selection especially... Perhaps that's one of the reasons I like the album... Not all the songs are pulled off that great, but they're are, without a doubt, some great moments and then other songs that keep you on the edge of your seat thru the entire tune... I'd say Live in Middleheim is still my favorite of the series, but of course it's worth the $$$, in my opinion... The sound quailty is nearly stellar and when I saw them live I was second row, so the sound was about the same... - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. Yahoo! by Phone. - --0-620473527-1002291001=:1411 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

      The new Masada, live at Tonic, reminds me of when I saw them play in New York at the Center for Jewish History on December 9th... The intro selection especially...

      Perhaps that's one of the reasons I like the album... Not all the songs are pulled off that great, but they're are, without a doubt, some great moments and then other songs that keep you on the edge of your seat thru the entire tune... I'd say Live in Middleheim is still my favorite of the series, but of course it's worth the $$$, in my opinion... The sound quailty is nearly stellar and when I saw them live I was second row, so the sound was about the same...


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