From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #687 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Sunday, January 20 2002 Volume 03 : Number 687 In this issue: - Re: Satoko Fujii Re: vibes Re: North Indian classical recommendations cd-r brand help Re: cd-r brand help Re: cd-r brand help Re: cd-r brand help Re: cd-r brand help Re: spontaneous composition Re: cd-r brand help Check out cdr,cd-r,cdr media,blank cd,cd media Re: 'spontaneous performance' sex mob prince remixes/rare zorn auction RE: Threadgill Re: cd-r brand help Charlie Mariano Re: 'spontaneous performance' Re: cd-r brand help Re: Charlie Mariano Frith/ Kaiser - "With Friends Like These" Re: Frith/ Kaiser - "With Friends Like These" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:03:06 -0500 From: Alan Lankin Subject: Re: Satoko Fujii She has a new disc coming out soon: Satoko Fujii with Mark Feldman - April Shower (Buzz) Feb 5 She'll be at the painted bride in philadelphia on April 27th on a double bill with the Cuong Ve Ensemble. Alan Lankin - -- Jazzmatazz http://jazzmatazz.home.att.net lankina@att.net pedro moreno wrote: > FYI. > Satoko is bringing her Japanese Quartet with Tatsuya in late spring early summer. So far I know of dates in NYC, Philly (painted bride) Houston, Austin, and San Diego (spruce street forum).... > > I will post an itinerary when it is all confirmed > > She will perform a duo with Tatsuya at Victoriaville..... > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:16:26 -0500 From: Alan Lankin Subject: Re: vibes Walt Dickerson also has some excellent recordings on Steeplechase. He hasn't been too active lately, although I'm trying to encourage some presenters I know to give him a gig in Philadelphia. (He lives in the suburbs.) Someone mentioned another excellent Philadelphia vibist, Khan Jamal. I had the great pleasure of seeing his trio joined by Oliver Lake on Monday night for a great pair of sets on the U of Penn campus. It had very good attendance, too. (It didn't hurt that it was free.) As well as vibes, Khan played African baliphon, which made me think a bit of Chico Freeman's "Kings of Mali" disc from the 1970s. (And it's a crime that the disc hasn't been on CD yet.) Partly because of the instrumentation, a friend was reminded of Eric Dolphy & Bobby Hutcherson. Alan Lankin - -- Jazzmatazz http://jazzmatazz.home.att.net lankina@att.net Skip Heller wrote: > is it me, or has walt dickerson escaped mention? his PATCH OF BLUE has a lot > going for it, incl Sun Ra in a rare turn as sideman. > > skip h > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:28:10 -0600 From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: North Indian classical recommendations Ian Fenton wrote: >Can anyone recommend any North Indian classical releases for me? > >I have been listening to a copy of Pandit Pran Nath's 'Ragas of Morning and >Night' for a few days now (and little else besides) but given the fact that >other music by this great singer is hard to come by, I don't know where to >try next. > >Can anyone on the list help? > >Ian Fenton I'm (very) partial to Hariprasad Chaurasia who plays bansuri (bamboo flute) (especially the ragas recorded for Nimbus) & Ali Akbar Khan who plays sarod (with lots of reissued older things coming out from a label called AMMP). Because you've been listening to Pandit Pran Nath, you may want to try some other Indian singing styles. I like the dhrupad recordings I've heard by the Dagar Brothers on the JVC Ethnic Sounds series. There's also an odd sort of folk music by (I think) an ethnic group usually referred to as the Bauls of Bengal. There was a very nice LP on Nonesuch years back as well as more recent recordings in the JVC series. Looking forward to seeing recommendations from other folks. Bests, Herb - -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, Texas 76147 USA 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:03:00 EST From: Stinkipipi@aol.com Subject: cd-r brand help hello all, hoping you can give some opinions. i tend to use sony brand cd-rs for burning, as they seem to be good quality and i have no complaints. anyway, a lot of traders seem to request them as well. my question is, what other brands do you recommend, or not recommend? i get the sony spindles at a pretty good price at work, but consistantly see other name brands like maxwell and tdk for real cheap. it does make me suspicious though. thanks in advance. dave - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:38:05 EST From: UFOrbK8@aol.com Subject: Re: cd-r brand help In a message dated 01.19.02 11:04:04, Stinkipipi@aol.com writes: >hello all, >hoping you can give some opinions. i tend to use sony brand cd-rs for >burning, as they seem to be good quality and i have no complaints. anyway, >a lot of traders seem to request them as well. my question is, what other >brands do you recommend, or not recommend? i get the sony spindles at a >pretty good price at work, but consistantly see other name brands like >maxwell and tdk for real cheap. it does make me suspicious though. thanks >in advance. per spindle, i would probably purchase maxell seeing as they don't scratch as easily as the sony ones (different coating). for recording quality (i.e. the best CDs and the least coasters) a brand i have used almost exclusively to record my own stuff in the studio is Mitsui. i know you can buy them bulk in jewel cases (but no, i don't know where; somewhere on the web) but i don't think you can just buy a spindle of them. but it's about the same price, ca. $1.00 per. k8. - ----- hard to be an easy to please composer. (mike rosenthal) where there's a mission, there's a missionary. (jim altieri) k a t e p e t e r s o n composer / performer UFOrbK8@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:48:15 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: cd-r brand help the highest quality ones I've come across are Quantegys, although they can be difficult to find. I like TDKs also, but they seem to make different quality levels, and the cheap ones aren't so great. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:02:53 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: cd-r brand help In a message dated 1/19/02 11:04:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, Stinkipipi@aol.com writes: << hoping you can give some opinions. i tend to use sony brand cd-rs for burning, as they seem to be good quality and i have no complaints. anyway, a lot of traders seem to request them as well. my question is, what other brands do you recommend, or not recommend? i get the sony spindles at a pretty good price at work, but consistantly see other name brands like maxwell and tdk for real cheap. it does make me suspicious though. thanks in advance. >> You might be surprised (or maybe not) to find out that many CD-Rs come from the same manufacturer, despite the logo on the flip side of the disk. I remember reading in the rec.music.media.cd-recordable newsgroup (I think that's the name) that at least one high-dollar CD-R had a generic non-branded equivalent that was a third the cost of the name brand. I've recently been picking up on closed-out RCA silver non-spindled 50-count packs at Wal-Mart for $9/box (regularly $25), and have had good success with them. I've also had good luck with those super-cheap PNY silver disks, which are pretty much panned by everyone... - -- np: The Incredible Moses Leroy- Electric Pocket Radio =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:12:27 EST From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: cd-r brand help I also like the Mitsui silvers. I prefer the unbranded ones. For 80 minute CDrs, I like TDK's and Taiyo Yuden's. Actually, as long as i've stuck with name brand silver discs, i havent had any problems. I get mine from www.american-digital.com. Jody - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:32:06 +0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: spontaneous composition     From: "Julian"     Recently I attended/participated in a 'spontaneous music' festival here in Sydney, and witnessed some interesting stuff to say the least. Now I know this isn't new, I've heard of players doing similar things, but I've never witnessed it before. So what I'm wondering is, is there a general thought on such practices throughout the improvising world? How was the music? _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:20:12 -0500 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: cd-r brand help At 11:03 AM 1/19/02 EST, Stinkipipi@aol.com wrote: >hello all, > >hoping you can give some opinions. i tend to use sony brand cd-rs for >burning, as they seem to be good quality and i have no complaints. anyway, a >lot of traders seem to request them as well. my question is, what other >brands do you recommend, or not recommend? I've gotten a the SilverOnSilver ones from http://www.cdrecordable.com and have been consistently happy with them. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:29:59 EST From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Check out cdr,cd-r,cdr media,blank cd,cd media - --part1_10.188ba470.297b3147_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This place has always had a good variety at resonable prices. 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Opinions on this are fine but you appear to be asking whether or not you should look down upon it, and decide from other people who probably didn't see the show you saw if you should like it. - ---Ryan Novak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:03:30 +0000 From: "Kurt Gottschalk" Subject: sex mob prince remixes/rare zorn auction hi -- sorry for the commercial nature... i'm going to be purging my collection (a little) to raise money for a concert i'm putting on in april. not that i think i'll really cover the costs this way, but... there is a promo-only 3-song cd on kfr up on ebay; 'sign o the times' plus 2 otherwise unreleased remixes (one by liminal). item #1503537314. i also have 2 copies of the very rare double-cd rubaiyat, which was released for elektra's 40th anniversary. it features the 80s roster of artists doing old songs from the label's catalogue. gipsy king's 'hotel california' is great, but there's also kronos quartet doing television's 'marquee moon', ambitious lovers (arto) doing 'a little bit of rain', bill frisell/robin holcombe/wayne horvitz doing dylan's 'going going gone' and, of the most interest here, zorn/eye/quine/laswell/epstein doing the stooges' 'tv eye.' it's a nice set with a 50-page book and tracks that have not been released anywhere else. i've seen this marked at $60-70 in the stores. i'll be putting one copy up on ebay in the coming days. the other one i'll offer first here, silent auction style. $US, and for you nice folks here, i'll even pay postage (well, domestic anyway, sorry). email me privately with questions or offers. sorry if i've offended anyone. and plan to be in new york april 12 for a uneek concert experience. kg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:40:17 -0500 From: "&c." Subject: RE: Threadgill The guy who recommended me to this particular VVCircus album was the kind of person who has almost every album by artists he enjoys, so it was very hard for him to give me a definite starting place for a musician. This one happened to be an album that he hasn't tired of and I assume one of his favorite Threadgill albums, if not overall favorite. Even still, he was an invaluable resource in discovering new artists. He turned me on to Tim Berne and Ken Vandermark, though he had a really hard time recommending a good starting place for Berne. I definitely will check out the recommendations made on the list about Threadgill's more "accessible" work. Zach - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:47:29 -0800 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: cd-r brand help Fuji and TDK work best for me. skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:22:46 -0600 From: Kasra George Ahmadi Subject: Charlie Mariano After the sparce discussion on North Indian Classical, I wanted to raise a question regarding Charlie Mariano. I have a dubbed tape of him on tenor saxophone with a woman on vocals as well a percussionist. Somebody told me that this recording was done at Tulane University. It could have been done with a microcassette for all I know. But does anyone have any information on this and whether they could make some recs to follow-up this issue. kasra - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:24:42 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: 'spontaneous performance' > Well, screw what the hell WE think- did you like it? > It seems like you're worried that you might have > enjoyed something that people here could regard as > corny or blasphemous or something. Opinions on this > are fine but you appear to be asking whether or not > you should look down upon it, and decide from other > people who probably didn't see the show you saw if you > should like it. No, I liked it, nothing can change that. Believe it or not I don't think you guys are the gods of free jazz : ) But you do get to see more of it over there in America and Europe than in Australia so I just thought I'd check out whether you'd seen much stuff like this, whether it had been discussed before, whether there were any opinions on this kind of thing, etc. I guess I figured that the festival organiser would like something like this to spice things up a bit after all the squeaking saxes and whatnot, but he was just plain angry. I discussed it with a friend who was also there, and our opinions differed slightly, so I came here for some more input. By the way, the point my friend most reacted to was 'invading another person's space' (ie drawing on another player's back, throwing things at other players, etc). I told him that interaction with other players is what free jazz is all about! : ) Oh and yes, the music was pretty good. The other players were generally doing loud squawking effects but when this guy got his sax in his mouth it became something quite beautiful. Julian. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:36:55 EST From: RadioGong@aol.com Subject: Re: cd-r brand help Stay away from discs manufactured in Taiwan. They are very low quality. Remember that a good brand cdr is not based on burnability, but how long a disc will last. I've found Mitsui, Fuji, and Sony's made in Japan the best. Ray - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 02:51:16 +0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: Charlie Mariano >From: Kasra George Ahmadi >After the sparce discussion on North Indian Classical, I wanted to raise a >question regarding Charlie Mariano...but does anyone have any information >on >this and whether they could make some recs to follow-up this issue. There are a couple of recordings Mariano has done (that I'm aware of, maybe there's more) with Indian musicians, one called Jyothi that came out on ECM, the other's called Bangalore on the Intuition label. I quite liked the former one, which features the Karnataka School of Percussion and a woman singer (perhaps the same one at the concert) named R. A. Ramamani; the other I've never heard. Mariano is one of the few western jazz players who can convincingly "cross over" into other musical cultures, I also liked his playing with Rabih Abou-Khalil and Krautrock ethnoforgers Embryo. There is also a disc from the Karnataka called River Yamuna on the Music Of the World label that I think has Mariano as a guest, sorry I can't check it right now, haven't listened to it in a while. np: Satoko Fujii/Mark Feldman April Shower _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:48:35 +1100 From: "Adam Rock" Subject: Frith/ Kaiser - "With Friends Like These" Frith and Kaiser's CD "With Friends Like These" is currently available at one of my local recording stores (how very strange!!!!). What is this CD like? Does anyone have any feelings as to whether or not it is a worthwhile investment? Regards, Adam - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:57:40 -0800 From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: Frith/ Kaiser - "With Friends Like These" Adam Rock wrote: >=20 > Frith and Kaiser's CD "With Friends Like These" is currently available = at > one of my local recording stores (how very strange!!!!). What is this C= D > like? Does anyone have any feelings as to whether or not it is a worthw= hile > investment? If I'm not mistaken, the CD includes reissues both duo albums, _With Frie= nds Like These_ from the late 70s and _Who Needs Enemies_ from 7 or 8 years l= ater ... The first album is "classic" tabletop/extended tech tweakage by two (= at the time) leading exponents of the style; it includes some very fine work, I'= d rate it at the same level as Frith's _Live in Japan_ lps, for example. The sec= ond album is a bit straighter, with more conventional playing. It dates from = the time of Kaiser's infatuation with the LinnDrum and includes lots of odd s= amples and odder rhythms. I'm particularly fond of a reasonably straight take of "Killing Floor Blues" dropped into the middle of the record. Overall, yea= h, "worthwhile" is a reasonable description. - --=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - - Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.co= m "For children are innocent and love justice; while most=20 of us are wicked and naturally prefer mercy" -- G.K. Chesterton np: Blue =D6yster Cult, _s/t_ nr: James Elkins, _Why Art Cannot Be Taught_ - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #687 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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