From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #709 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, January 26 2002 Volume 03 : Number 709 In this issue: - Re: Crispell Re: why doesn't Tzadik hook up college/independent radio? Re: The First Time Re: morenette Re: Neu and personal affronts. All Tmorrows partieas roy campbell, maria mitchell, andrew barker 2.16 at the brecht forum de kift Group Re: why doesn't Tzadik hook up college/independent radio? RE: why doesn't Tzadik hook up college/independent radio? Buy Dutch jazz now: while you still can re: college groups assembling avant-garde stuff. (AKA - a post with content.) Re: avant-guard presenting organizations Mooo Hoooo Handly... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:14:59 -0800 From: "Rev. Floyd Errors" Subject: Re: Crispell >>>Thanks to ANYONE who clips, copies, peruses, adores, resorts to, and otherwise spends time with my -ographies, RL<<< Shit, thanks for the heads up. I just put a stop-payment on my check. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:16:53 -0500 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: why doesn't Tzadik hook up college/independent radio? > Honestly....I can only think of maybe 20 stations tout of the 800 that > should get serviced....the music is just to far out for most college radio > (which is another sad topic all together). Unfotunately, that's true- many college stations have, in an attempt to gain audience, sacrificed programming. I work extremely hard with WUVT to keep the stuff forward-thinking and good...only the creme-de-la-creme of the current indie rock scene makes it into rotation. I purchased "Xu Feng" and put it into heavy rotation, and kids LOVED it- they were playing it alongside Don Caballero and Godspeed you black emperor. It's too bad that Zorn "hates" the press- they're the ones that promote his stuff. andrew - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:57:00 -0800 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: The First Time For me, it was a Charles Ives excerpt (the middle movement fr the 4th Symphony) that was included in a Leonard Bernstein book/record set for children. It was from the "What Makes American Music American?" chapter. I was eleven yrs old. I loved it. I thought it sounded like a big mean cartoon. Shortly after, Dr Demento came into my life and brought Zappa with him, my first exposure being "Call Any Vegetable", which has the imitation Ives multiple colliding themes business (FZ called it "an low-rent homage"). It's my guess that the Dr Demento show corrupted more of us than we'll ever know. It was also where I first heard Beefheart. skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:02:45 -0800 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: morenette >> >>> That is, you don't do it if you want to be taken seriously as a critic. >> >> i have been, and don't really care if i am or not, so i'll let that slide. not exactly the highest aspiration, when you think about it. skip h (who seems to have been taken seriously enough to inspire paychecks from magazines and knows the value of a slow news week coupled with a really impressionable editor) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:09:23 -0800 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: Neu and personal affronts. Jon wrote: > despite virtually never agreeing with Skip, ... and despite the fact that I don't really go for what Estwhile does, I gotta admit they put together a classy package. Props where they go... skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:47:22 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: All Tmorrows partieas Hello Zornlist Anybody had the time to pick up the All Tomorrows Parties CD? I think it was just released. Mainly I'm cucious about the Boredoms track. Is it exclusivew or has it been released elsewhere? I figure that it must be great either way. Cheers, NP: "Chicaco - It's Gotta Chance" NR: http://www.zmag.org/chomskyafter911.htm _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:52:20 +0000 From: "Kurt Gottschalk" Subject: roy campbell, maria mitchell, andrew barker 2.16 at the brecht forum This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_254a_7e2e_2c00 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Saturday, February 16 9:00 pm Neues Kabarett presents SOL OSDU OSTRI OS - Music and Dance Andrew Barker/Roy Campbell/Maria Mitchell Drums, trumpet and dance, alone, in pairs and all together. A round robin of free expression, warming up a winter night. Barker is a welcome addition to the New York music scene, relocating here from Atlanta with the Gold Sparkle Band a few years ago to carve his own niche, playing with William Parker's Little Huey Creative Music Orchestra and making regular appearances at the Jump Festival. Roy Campbell, one of the greats of New York Ecstatic Jazz, is a member of the long-lived collective Other Dimensions in Music and leads the Pyramid Trio. Maria Mitchell is a powerful dancer with a close connection to free jazz, and has appeared regularly at the Vision Festival of music and art. Admission: $8 122 West 27th Street, New York, NY 10001 - info@brechtforum.org _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - ------=_NextPart_000_254a_7e2e_2c00 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from 209.48.27.241 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:48:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.48.27.241] From: "Neues Kabarett" To: ecstasymule@hotmail.com Subject: roy campbell, maria mitchell, andrew barker 2.16 at the brecht forum Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:48:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html X-Stn-Info:

Saturday, February 16
9:00 pm

Neues Kabarett presents

SOL OSDU OSTRI OS - Music and Dance

Andrew Barker/Roy Campbell/Maria Mitchell

Drums, trumpet and dance, alone, in pairs and all together. A round robin of free expression, warming up a winter night.

Barker is a welcome addition to the New York music scene, relocating here from Atlanta with the Gold Sparkle Band a few years ago to carve his own niche, playing with William Parker's Little Huey Creative Music Orchestra and making regular appearances at the Jump Festival. Roy Campbell, one of the greats of New York Ecstatic Jazz, is a member of the long-lived collective Other Dimensions in Music and leads the Pyramid Trio. Maria Mitchell is a powerful dancer with a close connection to free jazz, and has appeared regularly at the Vision Festival of music and art.

Admission: $8

 

  122 West 27th Street, New York, NY 10001 - info@brechtforum.org

 

- ------=_NextPart_000_254a_7e2e_2c00-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:00:35 -0600 (CST) From: Les Henderson Subject: de kift i own the album _vlaskoots_ by de kift and have really been enjoying it lately. any suggestions on the next thing by them that i should pick up? any other recommendations of groups in the same vein? i often hear them compared to the ex, but i have enough albums by the ex to keep me happy for now. Les Henderson ljhender@midway.uchicago.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:05:37 -0500 From: "&c." Subject: Group Are there groups in existence, either on college campuses or elsewhere, that seek to bring people together who share an interest in the avant-garde, in all it's various mediums? To hook up people for collaborations and organize concerts, exhibits, performances, etc. I'm trying to organize something of this nature in my area, Indianapolis. Does any one have an ideas on promoting (getting the word out) this concept? Zach PS Sorry for the vagueness of my post NP: Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:53:35 -0500 From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: why doesn't Tzadik hook up college/independent radio? >It's too bad that Zorn "hates" the press- they're the ones that promote his >stuff. Or damages his stuff as I'm sure he believes (& at times is undoubtedly right). - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:17:04 -0500 From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: RE: why doesn't Tzadik hook up college/independent radio? on 1/25/02 3:26 PM, Carl Bayard at carl.bayard@sympatico.ca wrote: Whenever he comes to Montreal, Schwartz's is first on his list of places to visit. The shuttle from Dorval to Victo *has to* stop there before they head out of town. And one time, Masada almost didn't go on because the smoked meat sandwiches were from Ben's, not Schwartz's. Someone was sent to get the real thing, Masada went on, and when the guy got back with the sandwiches, Zorn called a drum solo and went sidestage to eat his. - --Mike > I'm from montreal as well, just getting onto zorn... > > does zorn have such a love affair with mtl? i know he come to jazz fest & > victo almost every year > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Chamberlain" > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 3:00 PM > Subject: Re: why doesn't Tzadik hook up college/independent radio? > > >> on 1/26/02 2:15 PM, James Hale at jhale@sympatico.ca wrote: >> >>> Mike Chamberlain wrote: >>> >>>> I'm proud to say that CKUT in Montreal--a station I do some programming >>>> on--gets a lot of stuff from Tzadik. >>> >>> Isn't that part of Zorn's Montreal smoked meat and bagels-for-CDs free > trade >>> policy? >>> >>> >>> - >> Yes, the thought did occur that this was it. >> >> >> - >> >> > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:31:59 +0100 From: "Remco Takken" Subject: Buy Dutch jazz now: while you still can Hi there! Amsterdam newspaper De Parool recently brought the news that BVHaast (Willem Breuker's record company) stops distributing Dutch Improv cd's. BVHaast will only be focusing on their own releases from now on. Directly Zorn related: that means that the 'October Meeting' cd's will be out of distribution for a while (the misha mengelberg tribute with Zorn and Dutch iomprovisors!). Further labels that might be very hard to come by in the future, include Michael Moore's Ramboy, Ab Baars' Geestgronden, Cor Fuhlers DJ Cor Blimey!, the fairly new TryTone label, and, sadly the whole ICP Catalogue, including their latest three: Mary Oliver, Tobias Delius and ICP Orchestra: Oh My Dog! I have no insights in how this will effect the labels themselves, customers being deprived from the possibility to order in Dutch record shops. TryTone seems to take it lightly, outing ambitions of 'taking it all over from Breuker'. Let's hope for the best, not all Americans are aware of how small and fragile the Dutch scene really is. Believe me, this is a shock, we now only have one jazz distributor in Holland, the fairly mainstream 'Challenge'. Regards, Remco Takken - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:44:38 EST From: UFOrbK8@aol.com Subject: re: college groups assembling avant-garde stuff. (AKA - a post with content.) - --part1_a7.1a93b111.2984a776_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/26/02 5:06:09 PM Central Standard Time, parksplace@hotmail.com writes: > Are there groups in existence, either on college campuses or elsewhere, > that seek to bring people together who share an interest in the > avant-garde, in all it's various mediums? To hook up people for > collaborations and organize concerts, exhibits, performances, etc. I'm > trying to organize something of this nature in my area, Indianapolis. > Does any one have an ideas on promoting (getting the word out) this > concept? yo -- oberlin definitely made a move towards this when they instilled the emerging arts program. the conservatory and college have been working hard to get avant garde type artist people on campus as of late (kaffe matthews, pamela z, karen findlay, to name a few). you are going to need to start with an established group, whether it is a faculty group who has the financial and connective resources to get you set up, or like the independent film club or something. someone with a budget. you can start with events showcasing this stuff (the indie film club at oberlin has shown stuff like the andy warhol movies, etc. etc.), then coerce, convince, or otherwise connive faculty and the likes into funding bringing people in. there is also the rare chance that you can email someone randomly and say 'hey, there are 20 kids here who want to talk to you - we can't pay you but could you show up or are you going to be around?' -- this sometimes works if lesser-knowns are playing gigs around the area. you can sometimes get 'em to stop in for a lecture or something. another thing you might want to try is an email forum with people (we had newmusic@oberlin.edu, for example), and occasionally get together questions for J Random Important Person, then email them off to JRIP, and JRIP will answer and you can post to your forum. aim for liberal faculty first. the school is the place with the $$$... and almost everyone wants the $$$ for something or other... love, k8. - --part1_a7.1a93b111.2984a776_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/26/02 5:06:09 PM Central Standard Time, parksplace@hotmail.com writes:


Are there groups in existence, either on college campuses or elsewhere,
that seek to bring people together who share an interest in the
avant-garde, in all it's various mediums?  To hook up people for
collaborations and organize concerts, exhibits, performances, etc.  I'm
trying to organize something of this nature in my area, Indianapolis.
Does any one have an ideas on promoting (getting the word out) this
concept?



yo -- oberlin definitely made a move towards this when they instilled the emerging arts program.  the conservatory and college have been working hard to get avant garde type artist people on campus as of late (kaffe matthews, pamela z, karen findlay, to name a few).  you are going to need to start with an established group, whether it is a faculty group who has the financial and connective resources to get you set up, or like the independent film club or something.  someone with a budget.  you can start with events showcasing this stuff (the indie film club at oberlin has shown stuff like the andy warhol movies, etc. etc.), then coerce, convince, or otherwise connive faculty and the likes into funding bringing people in. 

there is also the rare chance that you can email someone randomly and say 'hey, there are 20 kids here who want to talk to you - we can't pay you but could you show up or are you going to be around?' -- this sometimes works if lesser-knowns are playing gigs around the area.  you can sometimes get 'em to stop in for a lecture or something.  another thing you might want to try is an email forum with people (we had newmusic@oberlin.edu, for example), and occasionally get together questions for J Random Important Person, then email them off to JRIP, and JRIP will answer and you can post to your forum.

aim for liberal faculty first.  the school is the place with the $$$...  and almost everyone wants the $$$ for something or other...

love,
  k8.




 - --part1_a7.1a93b111.2984a776_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:48:24 -0500 From: "Dave Smey" Subject: Re: avant-guard presenting organizations > Are there groups in existence, either on college campuses or elsewhere, > that seek to bring people together who share an interest in the > avant-garde, in all it's various mediums? To hook up people for > collaborations and organize concerts, exhibits, performances, etc. I'm > trying to organize something of this nature in my area, Indianapolis. > Does any one have an ideas on promoting (getting the word out) this > concept? You could go whole-hog and create your own "presenting organization," which will fundraise and then put on events. I'm trying to thing of such orgs out here that aren't based in their own space. (Though that is certainly another model - buy the space first and then set about filling it with good (initially cheap) stuff.) In CT, there is a nice, fairly avant-garde presenting organization called "Real Art Ways" (aka RAW). Though, come to think of it, they are pretty much anchored in their own gallery/performance-space, with some rentals at other venues and events in public parks. In NY, Bang on a Can pretty much does what you describe, if you ignore the huge percentage of their output that is actually the founding curator/composers. And having their own ensemble. They don't have their own space. (I don't know, maybe World Music Institute, or Jazzmobile? they are not so avant, but maybe closer to the right scale) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:05:05 -0500 From: "Jeton Ademaj" Subject: Mooo Hoooo Handly... Hey Scotty Sounds like you could use a good end-time or two, Scotty! (probably One would do it) Maybe you should try revoking my 'membership' in 'your' 'community'....for the record, I plainly had nothing to do with Jonny leaving, it appears that his nerd-nirvana got invaded by a chick with tangelo-hots, he spewed his usual, and then felt unbalanced or unsatisfied or something after the engagement. Furthermore, re: Mike Rizzi, I plainly (and LOUDLY) conceded my error regarding a large missive that failed to post (i was unaware of the exact size limitations of the list). Re: the 'paranoia' in that act, I suppose you have not been on one of the many political lists where various opinions get 'accidently' censored, b4 or after posting...I'm sorry I dared read that much into Rizzi, when he was just busy. And as for scraping up 15 minutes here, of course you WOULD presume that any reaction whatsoever on this list could possibly constitute NOTORIETY. More self-importance from someone claiming to decry it. Bite the poison apple, baby, and don't ferget to do Efren's homework while you're at it! Mebbe you'll both find something better to do, like buy some of Jonny's records........... "'Typical!'" >u gave more to the list than me by far, jonny, but >i'm NOT sorry to see you >go (MOOOOOO HOOOOO HOOOO! MOOOOOOOOOOOOO >HOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!) Is it possible that the end times are upon us, or that a couple list members have simultaneously forgotten to take their medication? Why are the cartoon-loud postings of a couple "members" of this community suddenly so prevalent? All the quoted above from a "member" who recently, loudly abused our (nonpresent) list administrator---- who has given god knows how much time to keeping this list running, for all of us to enjoy----based on an insanely paranoid conspiracy theory. How typical that a couple dull, loud, poison apples would ruin this list and chase off SUBSTANTIAL contributors who have better things to do than cultivate a spectral digital persona and scrape up 15 seconds of notoriety. - - ---------s _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #709 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com