From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #725 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, January 30 2002 Volume 03 : Number 725 In this issue: - RE: jazz punk Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #723 (Ran Blake?) Re: Ralph Carney recommendations, Was: Re: The Gift/Ribot/Douglas Re: jazz punk Re: spectral muzik. Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #717 experimental hip hop Re: hiphop Re: jazz punk Zorn Live Rubber City/Ralph Re: jazz punk Re: jazz punk Re: jazz punk Re: jazz punk Re: jazz punk Re: Goofing up on The Book of Heads, As for jazz punk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:12:50 -0500 From: "Sean Westergaard" Subject: RE: jazz punk >im not too sure about this at all...but ive heard people talk about bands >that were "punk jazz/jazz punk" as if there was an actual genre for it...if >so..what are some good bands that fall into this category? - - the first Lounge Lizards album (self-titled on EG records) is a good punk jazz album. featuring Arto Lindsay, no less there's also a band out of LA (i think) called Universal Congress Of, featuring Joe Baiza on guitar, formerly of Saccarine Trust, and Steve Moss on sax. it's kind of funky jazz with a serious punk attitude. their earlier records (on SST!) are a bit more punk/spastic than their recordings on the Enemy label. Baiza could be compared favorably to Blood Ulmer in terms of tone & technique, but has his own thing going. sean - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:32:48 -0500 From: GM Recordings Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #723 (Ran Blake?) > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:37:37 EST > From: Samerivertwice@aol.com > Subject: Ran Blake? > > Can anyone tell me about Blake's latest release, "Sonic Temples"? > > Thanks, > Tom > Who better than Ran Blake and Gunther Schuller... Here's an October 22, 2001 interview with both men about their lifelong friendship and the conception of this 2-CD set. Music clips are also woven into the piece by the syndicated radio show "Here & Now" recorded here in Boston. The link is: http://realserver.bu.edu:8080/ramgen/w/b/wbur/herenow/2001/10/hn_1022.rm The show is one sound file. Just scroll ahead to the 40 minute mark where the interview begins. If this doesn't work for anyone, I'd be happy to list endless lines of promotional text about this amazing reinvention of a unique artist celebrating 40 years of recordings in 2002. Or simply say it's the most accessible, enjoyable, and cohesive Ran Blake recording I've heard personally (I own nine of his best). Trio gigs for the summer are in the works and you can hear Ran play a trademark solo concert at Boston's New England Conservatory on Saturday, February 9th. The concert, at Brown Hall following a short reception at 8pm, is free to the public and also celebrates the launch of his new comprehensive web site, http://www.ranblake.com. - -- Listen and be heard, Scott Menhinick Promotion & Marketing Coordinator Gunther Schuller's GM Recordings Celebrating 20 Years of Independent Music www.gmrecordings.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:37:56 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Ralph Carney recommendations, Was: Re: The Gift/Ribot/Douglas On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:24:57 -0800 (PST) nme wrote: > > I believe that he played as part of the group Rubber City, who contributed two excellent tracks to > the Wild at Heart soundtrack (and that seems to be the extent of their recorded output). Correct > me if I'm wrong. Ralph Carney plays contrabass clarinet on my favorite Laswell track: "Work Song" (from BASELINES). Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:46:25 EST From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: jazz punk - --part1_fb.20cbb0d5.2989b5a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/30/02 3:17:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, wlt4@mindspring.com writes: > Since then I haven't heard the phrase much but stuff that might fit would be > Naked City, The Ex w/Cora, Last Exit, etc. Apparently Blind Idiot God (and > maybe other late SST bands?) might qualify but I've never heard them. > > True....I was introduced to the Minutemen this was exactly. Dale. - --part1_fb.20cbb0d5.2989b5a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/30/02 3:17:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, wlt4@mindspring.com writes:


Since then I haven't heard the phrase much but stuff that might fit would be Naked City, The Ex w/Cora, Last Exit, etc.  Apparently Blind Idiot God (and maybe other late SST bands?) might qualify but I've never heard them. 

True....I was introduced to the Minutemen this was exactly.

Dale.

 - --part1_fb.20cbb0d5.2989b5a1_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:50:22 -0800 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: spectral muzik. >>>Talking about musical theory is like phone sex...<<< I'm tempted to post my phone number then. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:54:14 EST From: Stickygreens420@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #717 - --part1_4e.5b9963b.2989b776_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/02 8:27:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > Efren, > > I claim no responsibility for either Jon's reactions to K8 or Steve's > reaction to me, I expressed regret for both (I laffed at Jon leaving and > now > I feel bad. I felt bad about Steve's threat to leave and now (yes!) am > having a good laff at his expense..). I suggested to you that WE > (*mutually*) not tank-out the list with our hostilities, which you refuse > to > do. Rest assured you can jockey for some sense of 'victory' all you like, > but I suggest u create a private listserv where I can come in and > excoriate/insult/deconstruct you a googleplex ways to Sunday, because the > kid-gloves have been chafing me for awhile now. It would be a shame to > troll > the list out, I've seen a few torpedoed and have done it once or twice > myself, far more severely than anything here, that's why I indulge you. But > I can see your set on some pathetic victory, and your own psych profile has > remained consistent in your posts, so disliking you, your manifold > hypocrisies and your silliness is an easy call. But if you claim to not > wanna stress the list then you share responsibility for any further > interaction between us, because your fingers are now more deeply in the pie > than mine are. Your call, tough guy. > > Of course, when I commented that it's sad to watch a list slide down a > clear > existential spectrum, from discussing 'trolling' to manifesting it, other > people came in for their pound of flesh. As if I'm not going to rebut *each > and every person in detail*, as is my habit. That's particularly why Steve > surprised me, his post openly begged for a rebuttal ("...have a good laff > at > my expense now...") that could only be a furtherance of the process of > alienation all around. What's up with that? Fine, let chips fall wherever, > but I think some people have not been clear on their own motivations for > posting to this thread... > > Lastly, I find it telling that in all the hubub re: non-avantmusic-content, > no one commented about the Zorn/NY Art Quartet rumour. Even if one is mad > at > me, I would think that's a *highly* intersting tidbit to discuss *amongst > yourselves*. Clearly, though, despite (AGAIN!!!) every indulgent > hypocritical snobby defensive assertion to the contrary, some posters here > display their priorities through their actions..... > > Giving back what I get, As Always, > Jeton Ademaj > > Im new to this Zorn list. I think you were only talking to one person, but you sent it for 700 of us to read it. So Email him and him only, no one else wants to hear your ..rhetoric or crap or point of view . unless it has to do with Zorn/music. Sheesh your letter annoys a lot of people. Your closing statement of 'getting back what i get' was really really bad... - --part1_4e.5b9963b.2989b776_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/02 8:27:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes:


Efren,

I claim no responsibility for either Jon's reactions to K8 or Steve's
reaction to me, I expressed regret for both (I laffed at Jon leaving and now
I feel bad. I felt bad about Steve's threat to leave and now (yes!) am
having a good laff at his expense..). I suggested to you that WE
(*mutually*) not tank-out the list with our hostilities, which you refuse to
do. Rest assured you can jockey for some sense of 'victory' all you like,
but I suggest u create a private listserv where I can come in and
excoriate/insult/deconstruct you a googleplex ways to Sunday, because the
kid-gloves have been chafing me for awhile now. It would be a shame to troll
the list out, I've seen a few torpedoed and have done it once or twice
myself, far more severely than anything here, that's why I indulge you. But
I can see your set on some pathetic victory, and your own psych profile has
remained consistent in your posts, so disliking you, your manifold
hypocrisies and your silliness is an easy call. But if you claim to not
wanna stress the list then you share responsibility for any further
interaction between us, because your fingers are now more deeply in the pie
than mine are. Your call, tough guy.

Of course, when I commented that it's sad to watch a list slide down a clear
existential spectrum, from discussing 'trolling' to manifesting it, other
people came in for their pound of flesh. As if I'm not going to rebut *each
and every person in detail*, as is my habit. That's particularly why Steve
surprised me, his post openly begged for a rebuttal ("...have a good laff at
my expense now...") that could only be a furtherance of the process of
alienation all around. What's up with that? Fine, let chips fall wherever,
but I think some people have not been clear on their own motivations for
posting to this thread...

Lastly, I find it telling that in all the hubub re: non-avantmusic-content,
no one commented about the Zorn/NY Art Quartet rumour. Even if one is mad at
me, I would think that's a *highly* intersting tidbit to discuss *amongst
yourselves*. Clearly, though, despite (AGAIN!!!) every indulgent
hypocritical snobby defensive assertion to the contrary, some posters here
display their priorities through their actions.....

Giving back what I get, As Always,
Jeton Ademaj



Im new to this Zorn list.  I think you were only talking to one person, but you sent it for 700 of us to read it.  So Email him and him only, no one else wants to hear your ..rhetoric or crap or point of view . unless it has to do with Zorn/music.  Sheesh your letter annoys a lot of people.  Your closing statement of 'getting back what i get' was really really bad... - --part1_4e.5b9963b.2989b776_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:00:36 -0700 (MST) From: Corey Marc Fogel Subject: experimental hip hop I strongly urge all of you to listen to Prefuse 73 on Warp label. also Delarosa and Asora, done by the same person, but more the reverse of Prefuse by being electronic music infused with hip hop vibe, if that makes sense (?) the hip-hop is more dominant on the Prefuse 73 album. some rapping, some not. some chopped up blenderized rapping. extremely high quality. also East Flatbush Project has a really great hip-hop esque remix album featuring Autechre, Squarepusher...and other way-cool dudes. go to warprecords.com, and scroll down in their Links section (hard to find, small word located in the top right) for all the Prefuse links and sites and samples. quickly! - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:37:38 -0800 From: "carlos torres" Subject: Re: hiphop >he spits lines that remind >one of Thomas Pynchon and David Foster Wallace oh my goodness!!! ill have to check this out asap!!! _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:44:46 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Rizzi Subject: Re: jazz punk >maybe other late SST bands?) might qualify but I've never heard them. To me, when I hear jazz punk, I think Minutemen (they were an early SST band). I still love their music after all these years, and I clearly remember when D. Boon died. mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:12:13 From: "Andrew Nairn" Subject: Zorn Live Hello, What web sites do I check for upcoming performances by Zorn (or similar music)? (in the New York, Philadelpia, Washington D.C. area) - -thanks -A. Nairn _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:17:11 -0800 From: David Slusser Subject: Rubber City/Ralph > he played as part of the group Rubber City, who contributed two >excellent >tracks to the Wild at Heart soundtrack (and that seems to >be the extent of >their recorded output). Correct me if I'm wrong. >- -nme! ....well, Rubber City also played on the "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me" soundtrack, but I don't think anything with Ralph is on the soundtrack CD. HOWEVER, I just put out "Rubber City" on my own Breath Ears label, and it features hot, steaming Ralph on every cut, actually blowing at length, instead of goofing around in the background. The CD will be available at "breathears.com", a site still under construction. It may be available at "cdbaby.com" in a few weeks (for credit card purchase). Ralph just finished mastering his own followup to Ralphsounds last week. It will probably be listed on his website soon, if you like his overdub ouvre. I'll post to this list when "breathears.com" is up and running. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:23:10 -0800 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: jazz punk > From: Mike Rizzi > Reply-To: rizzi@browbeat.com > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:44:46 -0800 (PST) > To: wlt4@mindspring.com > Cc: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: jazz punk > > To me, when I hear jazz punk, I think Minutemen > (they were an early SST band). I still love their > music after all these years, and I clearly remember > when D. Boon died. > > mike > Still LA's greatest contribution via punk rock (and, before anybody counters with the obvious, at least one member of X agrees with me on this). skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:30:50 -0800 From: Tosh Subject: Re: jazz punk When they first started I think Lounge Lizards were called 'jazz punk.' Or something like that. - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:32:42 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: jazz punk On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:30:50 -0800 Tosh wrote: > > When they first started I think Lounge Lizards were called 'jazz > punk.' Or something like that. Fake jazz. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:43:48 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: jazz punk In a message dated Wed, 30 Jan 2002 5:33:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Patrice L. Roussel" writes: > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:30:50 -0800 Tosh wrote: > > > > When they first started I think Lounge Lizards were called 'jazz > > punk.' Or something like that. > > Fake jazz. > I always considered "fake jazz" anything from the GRP label. - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:14:19 -0800 From: "Rev. Floyd Heirs" Subject: Re: jazz punk >>>To me, when I hear jazz punk, I think Minutemen<<< I can still see Charlie Haden jammin' on his upright with fIREHOSE at McCabes. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:28:04 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Goofing up on The Book of Heads, hello >...but I would also like to thank Jason Baker, whose facility on the >synclavier made this single day of recording (a culmination of over six >months of preparation) seem so effortless... > >So maybe Ribot DID goof on the sessions, it was possible to edit the wrong >stuff outwith the Synclavier. See the Synclavier as a huge sampler/ editing >machine. Then think about the possibility of only playing snippets of the >original score, later to be edited into complete pieces. > >It might well be possible that The Book of Heads is one of those cleverly >disguised sample album records;-) Hm, I have been wondering about that synclavier comments as well, and wonder what they used it for. But I do doubt that it's actually editecd together from small pieces. In a sense, this music doens't make "sense" if not played in real time and since he also performed it perfectly live, why bother?? Cheers. NR: http://www.natcap.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:47:10 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: As for jazz punk Hey. I remember Weather Report having a song called "Jazz Punk" as early as 1977. It was total crap, like the rest of their stuff though. My favorite "jazz punk metal" thingy is still easily "Destroy All Music" by Flying Luttenbachers (at this moment with Ken Vandermark). Kind of a perfect update of the first Lounge Lizards album, which is also a masterpiece. How is the live Lounge Lizards CD from back when Arto was still involved? Cheers, NP: Massacre: "Meltdown" (you were right, it rocks!!) NR: http://www.jaring.my/just/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #725 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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