From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #778 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, February 14 2002 Volume 03 : Number 778 In this issue: - toy instrumentation toy bands/Latin pop RE: toy bands/Latin pop Re: toy bands/Latin pop RE: toy bands/Latin pop RE: toy bands/Latin pop Another Great One Gone RE: Another Great One Gone RE: Another Great One Gone and another one bites the dust. (was Re: Another Great One Gone) Re: Another Great One Gone Re: SHAKIRA! [was Re: Re: Britney] cage links Re: toy bands/Latin pop Re: FIMAV 2002 Toy instruments Subject: Langley and Song in the Key of Z Re: toy instruments Re: FIMAV 2002 Fwd: SHAKIRA! [was Re: Re: Britney] Re: Subject: Langley and Song in the Key of Z Sun Ra bio recs? Re: Sun Ra bio recs? Re: Sun Ra bio recs? Re: Toy bands ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 03:24:59 GMT From: "nors5379" Subject: toy instrumentation though not necessarily a jazz group; The Residents EP "Buster & Glen" was recorded completely with instruments found at toy stores. really quite an interesting four or five songs. - -darryl. Darryl Norsen db.etree.org/shortround nors5379@fredonia.edu volerniemickey@hotmail.com if I were an easy bright boy I think I would say something like, "cleaning the fingernails with a dirty fingernail file is a form of masterbation." and I would probably win a scholarship, a grant, the king's sword on shoulder and 14 hot pieces of ass. -charles bukowski - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:22:43 -0600 From: parry@macconnect.com Subject: toy bands/Latin pop Well, not a band, only a toy solo artist, but I love the Margaret Leng Tan album I have and she was one of the most engaging performers I ever saw, elegantly perched on her toy piano bench and getting such beautiful music out of something intended for childish pounding..... Haven't heard Shakira, unless it was back in Orlando on the salsa station that never backannounces. Will have to check her out. >Amen to that. Even though the old guard snidely refers to it as "Salsa >Monga", it's likely the most powerful element to hit the Popular Music scene >since Punk/New Wave. Salsa is a hellava lot more enjoyable to dance to than >this disco thing ever was, I do know that... I have a hard time resisting anything w/ a salsa flavor, except there was that one young female singer who did the Alanis hiccuping thing, which drove me nuts. I actually got a kick out of Ricky Martin's big album -- he's not much of a singer, and the songs were little more than jingles, but the production was a riot, everything plus the kitchen sink in there, and plenty danceable. Except for the excruciating ballads. That's the bad thing w/ Latin pop, cheesy ballad syndrome. Please, please make Marc Anthony stop recording ballads. Parry - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:46:02 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: toy bands/Latin pop There was an all-toy band back in the '80s called Pianosaurus, but I never heard 'em. God help me, but I kind of like the new Enrique Iglesias ballad. (I imagine a lot of Zornlisters' jaws collectively hit their keyboards just now...) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Polwechsel, "Not Forgetting the Forgetting," 'Polwechsel 3' (Durian) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:52:56 -0800 From: skip heller Subject: Re: toy bands/Latin pop on 2/13/02 8:46 PM, Steve Smith at ssmith36@sprynet.com wrote: > God help me, but I kind of like the new Enrique Iglesias ballad. God help me, the only thing I didn't like about "Livin' La Vida Loca" was the lyric. skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:02:32 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: toy bands/Latin pop The only thing I didn't like about "Livin' La Vida Loca" was my girlfriend's unholy interest in Ricky's swivel. Now, Marc Anthony's "I Need To Know"... THOSE were some excruciating lyrics. "Baby I would climb the Andes solely / To count the freckles on your body." - Shakira Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Polwechsel, "Mendota Stoppages," 'Polwechsel 3' (Durian) (And BTW, Skip, thanks... the care package just arrived.) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of skip heller Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:53 PM on 2/13/02 8:46 PM, Steve Smith at ssmith36@sprynet.com wrote: > God help me, but I kind of like the new Enrique Iglesias ballad. God help me, the only thing I didn't like about "Livin' La Vida Loca" was the lyric. skip h - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:08:13 -0500 From: Lang Thompson Subject: RE: toy bands/Latin pop >There was an all-toy band back in the '80s called Pianosaurus, but I never >heard 'em. They were actually a bit more interesting than I expected, using the instruments as much for the way they sounded than for pure novelty value. I interviewed them & remember them being quite nice (if that matters). Lang - ------------------------------------------- Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:26:08 EST From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Another Great One Gone AOL News: Country Great Waylon Jennings Dies at 64 - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:26:10 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Another Great One Gone 64? 64!?!?! Damn, that's depressing. Thank God Willie's still making some of the best music of his career. Thanks for passing this along, though. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - silence... - -----Original Message----- From: Nvinokur@aol.com [mailto:Nvinokur@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:26 AM To: ssmith36@sprynet.com; velaires@earthlink.net; parry@macconnect.com; zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Another Great One Gone AOL News: Country Great Waylon Jennings Dies at 64 - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:36:55 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Drummer Subject: RE: Another Great One Gone Nick Brignola passed away recently too. Amazing baritonist. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:38:48 EST From: UFOrbK8@aol.com Subject: and another one bites the dust. (was Re: Another Great One Gone) shit, does this mean i have to set up a Waylon Jennings endcap at the record store at which i work tomorrow? k8. - ----- [ .n o t h i n g i s w h a t i s s a i d. ] .k a t e p e t e r s o n. .c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r. http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html http://www.icefoundation.org (roundtable) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:22:40 -0800 From: skip heller Subject: Re: Another Great One Gone on 2/13/02 9:26 PM, Steve Smith at ssmith36@sprynet.com wrote: > > Damn, that's depressing. Thank God Willie's still making some of the best > music of his career. > > Thanks for passing this along, though. He was fantastic. I still remember hearing him when I was about 12 and just being completely amazed by "Lonesome, Ornery, and Mean". skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:58:24 +1030 From: "Case" Subject: Re: SHAKIRA! [was Re: Re: Britney] >As for Pink, I've yet to get into her (not literally of course--that only >happens in my dreams), but i have heard alot of positive reactions to her >from people who i wouldn't normally expect it. >- -A.R. I just got the PINK disc for review, and was surprise., it is actaully listenable, but saying this I wont be running to a record shop for more. Case Australia NP Gilli Moon (Which is utter shite) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:45:46 -0700 (MST) From: Corey Marc Fogel Subject: cage links For those of you in Phoenix (yeah right), the Links percussion+ ensemble, aka Skumbaag, from Albequerque are playing an [almost] all John Cage show at Paradise Valley Community College...including 3rd Construction...Credo In Us...other good stuff, like Stuart Smith's Blue Too for drum set. This Saturday at 7:30 pm in the eastmost part of the campus, in the black box theater. 32nd St. and Union Hills. ok?? ok. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:09:00 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: toy bands/Latin pop > on 2/13/02 8:46 PM, Steve Smith at ssmith36@sprynet.com wrote: > >> God help me, but I kind of like the new Enrique Iglesias ballad. > > God help me, the only thing I didn't like about "Livin' La Vida Loca" was > the lyric. > > skip h There are an awful lot of deeply horrifying confessionals peppering this list lately. I think I'm going to be... ulp, unfffff, HACK! excuse me... RL - ---------- [ All of the below and much more at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k ] Sessionographies : CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies : COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN; HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag; ETC., - ---------- *** THINGS 4 SALE *** [Updated: 01.12.01] http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/ChipsInCashing.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:10:17 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: FIMAV 2002 on 02.02.13 9:21 AM, James Hale at jhale@sympatico.ca wrote: >> Keith Tippett with Paul Dunmall, Elton Dean, Jim Dvorak, Mark Charig, > Paul >> Rutherford, Maggie Nichols, Louis Moholo; Fred Frith/Joan Jeanrenaud; > Peggy >> Lee/Marilyn Lerner; Lee Ranaldo/William Hooker; Hamid Drake/Gerry >> Hemingway; Aki Takase/Konrad Bauer; Peter Kowald/William Parker; Alan >> Silva, Eugene Chadbourne/Rene Lussier; Cecil Taylor/Bill Dixon/Tony > Oxley; >> Bob Ostertag; Merzbow. > > > - Any details of this anywhere yet? RL - ---------- http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE; COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN; Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN; HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag... - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:26:01 +0100 From: duncan youngerman Subject: Toy instruments A French composer by the name of PASCAL COMELADE has been specializing for the past 15 years or so in compositions and albums exclusively done with toy instruments. Surely you can find out more from internet. Best, DY. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:31:00 EST From: Poisonhead@aol.com Subject: Subject: Langley and Song in the Key of Z I will only add that I find both of these discs very soothing. Song's in the Key of Z, both disc and book are a nice gift to give someone. Also I would suggest listening to this one first, then the Schools disc. Langley gives you a warm feeling inside and will help settle you down. Andrew NP:Jean Derome - Plinc! Plonc! Toy bands...My favorites are Klimperei and Pascal Comelade. Someone also turned me on to a band called Toychestra from California. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:05:18 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Nick=20Cain?= Subject: Re: toy instruments One of the most devoted proponents of the use of toy instruments - in the improv setting at least - has been Steve Beresford. See especially the Three and Four Pullovers CD [Emanem 4038], and perhaps also the Beresford / Honsinger / Toop / Kondo 'Double Indemnity' CD [Atavistic/UMS]. There are any number of Art Ensemble of Chicago records which feature a range of instrumentats that, in context, could be considered as "toys": kazoo, whistles, dinner chimes, duck calls, bike horns, etc. ===== www.info.net.nz/opprobrium __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:21:52 -0500 From: James Hale Subject: Re: FIMAV 2002 I was told that it would be up at the FIMAV site yesterday, but it wasn't. James Rick Lopez wrote: > on 02.02.13 9:21 AM, James Hale at jhale@sympatico.ca wrote: > > >> Keith Tippett with Paul Dunmall, Elton Dean, Jim Dvorak, Mark Charig, > > Paul > >> Rutherford, Maggie Nichols, Louis Moholo; Fred Frith/Joan Jeanrenaud; > > Peggy > >> Lee/Marilyn Lerner; Lee Ranaldo/William Hooker; Hamid Drake/Gerry > >> Hemingway; Aki Takase/Konrad Bauer; Peter Kowald/William Parker; Alan > >> Silva, Eugene Chadbourne/Rene Lussier; Cecil Taylor/Bill Dixon/Tony > > Oxley; > >> Bob Ostertag; Merzbow. > > > > > > - > > Any details of this anywhere yet? > RL > ---------- > http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; > D.S. WARE; COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; > WORKMAN; Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN; > HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag... > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:34:35 -0500 From: Mark Saleski Subject: Fwd: SHAKIRA! [was Re: Re: Britney] >As for Pink, I've yet to get into her (not literally of course--that only >happens in my dreams), but i have heard alot of positive reactions to her >from people who i wouldn't normally expect it. i've gotta admit that Missundastood by Pink was my guilty pleasure for last year. i think i saw her doing that lady marmalade remake on some awards show...and realized that she actually has a voice...and then i saw her do Get The Party Started on trl...and it was a blast christ, i just admitted to watching trl..... mark (....inserting Improvisation - Derek Baily into cdrom drive to erase feelings of guilt & shame) - -- Mark Saleski - marks@foliage.com | http://www.foliage.com/~marks "Music is spiritual. The music business is not." - Van Morrison - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:19:24 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Subject: Langley and Song in the Key of Z > I will only add that I find both of these discs very soothing. >Song's in the Key of Z, both disc and book are a nice gift to The Key of Z CD has been out of print since the label went under. You can probably still find a few copies somewhere but Irwin has plans to reissue it himself sometime in the near future. And in case anybody's interested in more about these topics I run an Outsider Music mailing list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outsidermusic/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:32:20 -0500 From: Matthew Moffett Subject: Sun Ra bio recs? I've found _Space is the Place_, but I'm just curious if other good biographies exist on Sun Ra, or if this is really the definitive one. For point of reference, I'm writing a short story/novella that will feature Sun Ra as a major-minor character and am looking for stories, quotes, etc that will really convey his personality alongside his musical ideas. Thanks in advance, Matt - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:33:57 -0500 From: James Hale Subject: Re: Sun Ra bio recs? John Szwed's book is meticulously researched. I haven't seen any better. James Matthew Moffett wrote: > I've found _Space is the Place_, but I'm just curious if other good > biographies exist on Sun Ra, or if this is really the definitive one. > For point of reference, I'm writing a short story/novella that will > feature Sun Ra as a major-minor character and am looking for stories, > quotes, etc that will really convey his personality alongside his > musical ideas. > > Thanks in advance, > Matt > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:45:02 EST From: UFOrbK8@aol.com Subject: Re: Sun Ra bio recs? In a message dated 02.14.02 10.33.03, jhale@sympatico.ca writes: >John Szwed's book is meticulously researched. >I haven't seen any better. i second this (e)motion. hey all... i finally heard that naked city disc last night. rawk. (oh my god, i just admitted to having not heard a john zorn project... ). i was a little creeped out that the kid i work with who is like a 19 year old industrial freak (but very cool) was the one who put it on, it just didn't seem like something he would dig. but i was pleasantly surprised. i'm getting more and more pleasantly surprised with people my age and younger, lately... thanks, us! love, k8. p.s. - happy VD to everyone... - ----- [ .n o t h i n g i s w h a t i s s a i d. ] .k a t e p e t e r s o n. .c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r. http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html http://www.icefoundation.org (roundtable) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:37:34 +0100 From: "Remco Takken" Subject: Re: Toy bands toy instruments Could anyone please advise me of some > good examples of jazz releases played with this > instrumentation. Hi, I witnessed a drum'n'piano'n'electronics'n'toys concert in Amsterdam. Some longer improvisations froma that show were eventually released as B& B: Han Bennink & Steve Beresford in Edam, recorded and released in 2000, either on the Dutch ICP label or BVHaast, in any way both undoubtedly available through Cadence. Beresford did more improv with toys, but I am not sure which recordings, they were mostly on the 'NATO' label from France, from the eighties, but hard to find these days. I would have to look up the name of a female performer who solely plays with toy instruments, and does some vocalizing and poetry over it. Anna homler is her name, she did the best concert in this vein, that I ever witnessed. I have no clue if she has cd's out there. Then, if you ask a more specific roland Kirk question on the list, someone might remember on which album Roland Kirk played saxophone against a little children's music machine. It was on one of those big (Mercury Records?) box sets from ten years ago. At this moment, a rather famous Austrian composer, HK Gruber, performs on a children's saxophone. The name of his piece escapes me at the moment, but Gruber plays it himself, before a symphony orchestra. It was broadcasted last sunday on vpro television in holland, so a quick search on the net will help you out on that one. His cd of thie particular piece he is touring with, is sold out, but might still be available by mailorder somewhere. Like Gruber, British composer David Bedford did a piece consisting of girls voices and 'Whirlies (serrated plastic pipes that you twirl atround your head). It was originally on a now hard to find Dandelion cd, and is still available on a beautifully remastered cd 'Nurses song with Elephants' on Voiceprint. One of Karlheinz Stockhausen's later piano pieces (Klavierstuecke) has the pianoplayer draw a cute little wire bomb, don't know the right english word for this thing. At some bored offices, it is made on the door, and goes off as soon as aperson comes in opening it. I believe it was piece number eleven, also part of the Lucifer Opera from 'Light' by Stockhausen. Dutch guitar player Jacques Palinckx uses children's microphones for cheap reverb on stage. Palinckx takes a very perverse twist by also using dildo's and vibrators, mostly in the same solo. Ofcourse, it is hard to point out precisely, where on his records he does exactly this little trick, but weird guitar playing is all over his cd output (perhaps also available through Cadence)... Regards, Remco Takken - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #778 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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