From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #796 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, February 25 2002 Volume 03 : Number 796 In this issue: - Re: livemusic in boston this weekend? BIPED Naked City Re: [no-JZ] coltrane live in europe Re: livemusic in boston this weekend? Re: Evan Parker - Keith Rowe Collaborations Subject: Re: A Tribe Called Quest (NZC!) Flaming Creatures Re: cassette archeology Re: Naked City Re: Flaming Creatures A day that will live in infamy Cartoon Re: A day that will live in infamy Fennesz: Il Libro Mio Xenakis - "Palimpsest" Re: Film stills--publicity photos fred frith: stone, brick, glass, wood, wire Re: fred frith: stone, brick, glass, wood, wire Re: Xenakis - "Palimpsest" Broadway Re: Broadway Re: Broadway ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:55:40 -0800 (PST) From: James Coleman Subject: Re: livemusic in boston this weekend? 2/23 [sat] 8:00pm @ The Zeitgeist Gallery 312 Broadway in Cambridge, MA $6 Liz Tonne - voice ( solo ) Sean Meehan - percussion James Coleman - theremin David Gross - alto saxophone | clarinet ===== James Coleman - Theremin Http://www.zuihitsu.net/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:18:01 -0500 From: "Bob Kowalski" Subject: BIPED Has any Zornsters heard the new Gavin Bryars disc BIPED? I'm wondering if = its worth drumming up an international money order for $25 (via his www = site seems to be the sole place to get it.) Have heard a couple of = positive comparisons to Glass's Mishima although I haven't gotten around = to listening to that either. too busy sitting in the dark listening to that dang wonderful Mullholland = Drive soundtrack ; ) Bob - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:25:45 -0500 From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: Naked City Is Naked City Live at KF really coming out on Tuesday? Or is that the old release date? Zach - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:27:44 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: [no-JZ] coltrane live in europe Albrecht: Seems to me that I just read a recent review by Coltrane scholar David Wild that disputed that this was all "*not* on previous Pablo Coltrane releases". Also one set of tracks was supposedly recorded in the U.S. and mislabelled as European dates. [His website, which I think is ww.wildmusic.com -- or do a search] may have more details. As for the recording quality, considering they're live sessions, I'd listen to soem earlier Coltrane Pablo CDs or LPs to compare. If you like how that sounds ... Hope this helps. Ken Waxman - --- Albrecht Koschnik wrote: > Can somebody comment on the new or newish Pablo > release, Coltrane--'Live Trane, The European Tours'?! According to the ad I've seen, this is a 7CD > set, Stockholm, Paris, Berlin, Hamburg, Stuttgart, > 1961-63; supposedly ca. > 20 tracks [?] *not* on previous Pablo Coltrane > releases. > ===== Ken Waxman mingusaum@yahoo.ca www.jazzword.com - Jazz/improv news, CD reviews and photos ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:35:25 -0800 (PST) From: Grey ElkGel Subject: Re: livemusic in boston this weekend? try here: http://members.aol.com/tautology3/BossImpCal.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:38:36 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Evan Parker - Keith Rowe Collaborations And discographer Patrice forgot to add if he doesn't know about it, the only other people who could would be Messers. Parker and Rowe. :) Ken Waxman - --- "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:18:36 +1100 "Adam Rock" > wrote: > > > > Have Evan Parker and Keith Rowe performed on any > albums together other than "Dark Rags" and "Supersession"? > > That's all I know. > > Patrice. ===== Ken Waxman mingusaum@yahoo.ca www.jazzword.com - Jazz/improv news, CD reviews and photos ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:36:19 -0500 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Subject: Re: A Tribe Called Quest (NZC!) "Low End Theory" is indeed a great album. If you're starting out, "Anthology" is a great record too and a good intro to them. Best, Jason - -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:43:56 EST From: Brennansf@aol.com Subject: Flaming Creatures Has anyone on the list ever purchased, or even seen, Jack Smith's film Flaming Creatures on video? I have been assured many times that it has been released on video, always it seems by folks who never actually bought one or ever saw it in a store. Any help would be really appreciated. Thanks, Jerry - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:59:22 From: "William York" Subject: Re: cassette archeology >From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Vuilleumier=2C_St=E9phane=22?= > >Subject: cassette archeology >I was wondering if someone somewhere would be=20 crazy enough to sell > >cassette audio tapes ("commercial" ones, I mean) of experimental >music >-and even=20 perhaps to have a website for the stuff. The things >I'd be >looking for would be familiar to this list I guess, e.g.=20 >AGAINST NO WALL: Rebby Sharp 1987 (?) - Artifacts (USA), Yclept #13013 (CT) >PASSED NORMAL VOL. #3: various artists 1988 - FOT Records/Home Recordings (USA), Vol. #3 (CT) >or early Chadbournes tapes etc. Hey, I'm posting this to the list in case anyone else is interested.... Amoeba in San Francisco (and Berkeley) sells used cassettes -- I have seen plenty of old Chadbourne and Zorn (Nonesuch era) tapes. Not sure about those others, but it's possible. If anyone wants to make a list I suppose I can check next time I'm there. They also have used copies of the out of print Tim Berne JMT albums now and then, for reasonable prices ($10-12). Your humble servant, WY _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:05:10 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Brooker Subject: Re: Naked City - --- Zachary Steiner wrote: > Is Naked City Live at KF really coming out on > Tuesday? Or is that the > old release date? > > Zach > > > > - > The release date has changed to 04/23/02 :( Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:08:18 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Brooker Subject: Re: Flaming Creatures - --- Brennansf@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone on the list ever purchased, or even seen, > Jack Smith's film > Flaming Creatures on video? I have been assured > many times that it has been > released on video, always it seems by folks who > never actually bought one or > ever saw it in a store. Any help would be really > appreciated. > > Thanks, > Jerry I've never really searched for it at all, but from what clips I've seen it looks interesting. I discovered it from the John Waters Docu "Divine Trash" where he basically talks about how it inspired his early works. They show some clips as well as feature a mini-interview with Smith. Worth checking out. MB __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:38:28 EST From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: A day that will live in infamy - --part1_8c.14604b5b.29a876c4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/22/02 7:06:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, hirakemike@yahoo.com writes: > The release date has changed to 04/23/02 :( > > Mike > While I'm disappointed for the Naked City delay, I'm glad it's coming out on the same day as the new Wilco and Elvis Costello discs. Counting the days, tom - --part1_8c.14604b5b.29a876c4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/22/02 7:06:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, hirakemike@yahoo.com writes:


The release date has changed to 04/23/02 :(

Mike


While I'm disappointed for the Naked City delay, I'm glad it's coming out on the same day as the new Wilco and Elvis Costello discs.

Counting the days,
tom - --part1_8c.14604b5b.29a876c4_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:48:12 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Cartoon Certainly Zorn-related, Chuck Jones died today. http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020222/220262_1.html m http://craque.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 06:33:20 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Brooker Subject: Re: A day that will live in infamy - --- Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/22/02 7:06:10 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > hirakemike@yahoo.com writes: > > > > The release date has changed to 04/23/02 :( > > > > Mike > > > > While I'm disappointed for the Naked City delay, I'm > glad it's coming out on > the same day as the new Wilco and Elvis Costello > discs. > > Counting the days, > tom > Well, something else to look forward to would be Yuka Honda's album that comes out this Tuesday. Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:38:48 +0100 From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Fennesz: Il Libro Mio i just came across a 3-inch disc "Il Libro Mio" by Christian Fennesz. Is it worth ordering? Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.net ICQ: 96771783 http://nyds-exp-discogs.covers.de/ - -- The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!" - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:24:48 +1100 From: "Adam Rock" Subject: Xenakis - "Palimpsest" Just come across a copy of Xenakis' "Palimpsest" whilst browsing through the online catalogue of an independent record store. Is this CD worth investing in? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Adam - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:26:31 -0500 From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: Film stills--publicity photos >theoretical questions. For example, our campus copy shops will not >reproduce directly from books or other print sources without >permission, but they will reproduce already-copied pages. So, if a >person makes a photocopy from a text and then takes it to the shop, >it's no problem. I suppose that any burden of copyright violation has >been removed from the copy shop by at least one step--to the person who >made the copy. This is an odd idea. The copy shop would actually still be violating copyright no matter how many generations are removed. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:12:08 +0100 From: Tim Blechmann Subject: fred frith: stone, brick, glass, wood, wire any comments on this recording: STONE, BRICK, GLASS, WOOD, WIRE (GRAPHIC SCORES 1986-1996): Fred Frith is it worth buying? Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.net ICQ: 96771783 http://nyds-exp-discogs.covers.de/ - -- The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!" - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:31:41 +0100 From: "Remco Takken" Subject: Re: fred frith: stone, brick, glass, wood, wire > any comments on this recording: > > STONE, BRICK, GLASS, WOOD, WIRE (GRAPHIC SCORES 1986-1996): Fred Frith > > is it worth buying? > > Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.net SBGWW (on Angelica records) always feels like a problematic live recording to me. Even if you've been to one of those shows (I attended the Groningen gig), it doesn't give you exactly what you would expect from a big semi-improvising orchestra led by the composer himself. This double cd set is made up of 5 different sound sources from years of playing these scores. The title says 10 years, but the actual cd consists of music dating from 1992 till 1996. Even this reduction resulted in an endless patchwork of snippets with varying sound quality, and mismatching tonal colours. Frith's Graphic Scores musically fall between his improv work, and his compositional/ orchestral projects, making it an interesting title in his oeuvre. However: recording orchestras requires more than a cassette recorder, or even an ADAT machine, in order to sound great in your living room. Solists and improvisers in these big line-up get drowned easily in the slightly muffled sound. Ofcourse, Chris Cutler and Han Bennink are easy to pick out on these live sessions: they make sure they are audible, that may even be part of their percussion style. But buying the record because a young Paolo Angeli, or Daan Vandewalle is playing on it, might not be the wisest thing: they are not exactly exposed well. SBGWW is a document, no more, no less, be it with a great booklet including all of the photographs the musicians used as 'scores'. I had to pay $50 to get an imported copy... Still, if Winter&Winter or Tzadik decided to produce a new version, recorded with a consistent line-up in a beautiful recording space, I would definitely buy it again. Now I am holding on to my rarely played Angelica-discs. Regards, Remco Takken - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:38:57 +0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: Xenakis - "Palimpsest" >From: "Adam Rock" >Just come across a copy of Xenakis' "Palimpsest" whilst browsing through >the >online catalogue of an independent record store. Is this CD worth investing >in? I would recommend this CD without reservation (if it's the one on Wergo with Epei/Dikhthas/Akanthos), 2 instrumental ensemble pieces expertly played by the group Spectrum (Barry Guy's on bass for Palimpsest), a piano violin duo with Claude Helffer & Irvine Arditti, and a work for soprano voice & ensemble. Wonderfully dense, slyly abstract stuff played with fire and obvious enthusiasm... np: Xenakis Epei _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:06:57 -0500 From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: Broadway What do you zornlisters think of Broadway and musical theatre in general? I just had the displeasure of attending a chorus concert in which they had some guest singers that specialized in ghastly belting (they quite ruined "Summertime" for me). It's not that I don't enjoy belting (love it when Patton does it), but in show tunes it doesn't do it for me. I know lots of people who enjoy show tunes quite a bit and I have no problem with those people, but I never quite understood them myself. It's not a lack of experience, I've listened to countless recordings and have seen a couple on stage (the least favorite being Les Miserable). If some could explain what I'm missing, I would be appreciative, but if I'm not missing anything that's alright too. Zach - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:57:58 -0800 (PST) From: jason tors Subject: Re: Broadway the only show I really ejoyed was starlight express, the action and visual stimulus kept my mind off of the storyline and music, I was also dreaming about riding my skateboard around the set. I agree with you, most musicals bore me to the point of anger and potential agression. np - steve coleman+5elements: opening of the way - --- Zachary Steiner wrote: > What do you zornlisters think of Broadway and musical theatre in > general? I just had the displeasure of attending a chorus concert in > which they had some guest singers that specialized in ghastly belting > (they quite ruined "Summertime" for me). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:20:18 +0100 From: "Remco Takken" Subject: Re: Broadway Subject: Broadway > What do you zornlisters think of Broadway and musical theatre in > general? > > Miserable). If some could explain what I'm missing, I would be > appreciative, but if I'm not missing anything that's alright too. > > Zach My dilettante approach to Broadway is, now that jazz improvisors tend to overlook the great new musical songs to improvise over, there's no need for me to know these contemporary originals anymore. Pop and rock songs might have taken over this function of providing a 'meaningful vehicle for deep soloing over a great tune we all know'. it is kind of cool to philosophise over how some jazz tenor saxophone player blows as if he sings you the lyrics through his horn. By knowing the actual texts as a listener, an extra layer of meaning bubbles up. when listening to some recent Sonny Rollins cd, I was just lucky to know Frank Zappa's take on LEILANI, which was so bizarre, I seeked this tune out to find a Mantovani version, but alas, without lyrics. Rollins is one of those guys who is capable of completely taking the piss out of a show tune, and doing something virtuosic and beautiful with it at the same time. At the moment we don't know the tune, we stop understanding a portion of what he is trying to say. So, if someone out there knows the lyrics to this awkward little tune LEILANI, mail me... That's why I believe it is such a good thing that people like Brad Mehldau, Yuri Honing, Christof Lauer (and even Frank London) take rock songs into the jazz world. It is that extra layer of understanding, the unsung lyrics, that makes playing instrumental verisons of 'songs' so great. Eh, that's all, regards, Remco Takken - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #796 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com