From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #801 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, February 28 2002 Volume 03 : Number 801 In this issue: - RE: I gotta ask... Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #799 zorn digs chicks. RE: zorn digs chicks. Re: zorn digs chicks. Re: Zorn digs chicks Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #799 Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #799 Game theory Ribot news Re: new fella'/ recommendations Re: new fella'/ recommendations Non-JZ FS: K.K. Null (incl. guitar duets), Noto re: I gotta ask Re: Do ya gotta ask? RE: I gotta ask heroes. Olson Twins? RE: Olson Twins? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:38:25 -0700 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: I gotta ask... >(who has wondered whether people who are willing to ask a 3rd person >about a total strangers sexuality >would have the nerve to walk up to that person and pose the same >question to them directly) Maybe this is a bit of special case given that this particular 'total stranger' happens to have a name which we all identify and so has some kind of fame albeit amoung a group of wackos... ...famous people and sex. Its our (mass american culture) favorite stuff. I heard Zorn was actually sending 'secret admirer' cards to the Olson twins. my favorite britney picture: http://www.theonion.com/onion3735/a_shattered_nation.html Matt - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:43:22 -0800 From: skip Heller Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #799 on 2/27/02 5:09 PM, William Crump at crumpdesigns@yahoo.com wrote: > As for Gail... I know Frank > said near his death that he didn't care how or whether > he was remembered by future generations, but I can see > that Gail would care. That's a tough one. Has she > expressed a specific concern or reason for refusal? > > Efren wrote: >>> I really think a very good Zappa biography already > exists: Neil Slaven's "Electric Don Quixote". << > > I haven't seen this one, but the title gives me pause. > To quote Dan Aykroyd way back when, "With a name like > 'Mangled Baby Ducks,' this has GOT to be incredible > jam!" Such a low-grade pun on one of FZ's song titles > makes me worry that the book itself might not try very > hard. But I'm willing to give it the benefit of the > doubt. > > I hate to go on and on about this, but I can't help > but think that posterity is running out of time on > getting the truest account of FZ's life and work. I > don't know why I'm getting in such a twist...I haven't > listened to any post-Mothers work in years. Wait, I > take that back... I still enjoy listening to Lather. > > William Crump Your points are all salient. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the people who are still around from the pre-Ruth Underwood era have major-league axes to grind, and several of them see themselves at the heart of the action. I have a letter here from Ray Collins that says in no uncertain terms that whatever he says about "Dead Zappa" (his name for him) ain't gonna be good. Beefheart has batted fr both sides of the plate, but, last I heard, he's not in the best shape and has eschewed giving interviews. Motorhead would be fantastic to talk to, because he's in good condition and was there before the beginning. He's actually a highway patrol cop now. So many former bandmembers have sued FZ and his estate that I fear accurate recollection is beyond our grasp at this point. As for Gail's involvement, she's not exactly running around authorizing all things FZ. I can undertand this in the case of Nigey Lennon's book, but not, say, Greg Russo's. And she has apparently not been really easy to deal with when various ensembles have approached her about performing some of FZ's concert music. The wealth of information and memorabilia of which she has total control is staggering, but the chances that she'll loosen her grasp on the stuff... It don't look good. For instance, it has been about 2 yrs since the "impending release" of the ROXY &ELSEWHERE movie, but there's no movie out nor does it look like there will be soon. And the second Ensemble Moderne/FZ CD is so vague in its availability that I found the best way to get it is call 'em up, announce that you'll be in the neighborhood, then drop by Zappa Records and pay cash. In the midst of all these conflicts, I;d say your chances of getting a really good, balanced book are in league with those of hell-bound snowballs. skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:15:19 EST From: UFOrbK8@aol.com Subject: zorn digs chicks. <> you know, i've often wondered the same thing, why most people won't ask people directly. so i decided that i would start doing so, when i began to queer-identify myself, also. rawk. i'd gladly walk up to zorn or any other famous person on the street and say "so what's yr deal, are you gay or what?" ;) love, k8. p.s. - the OLSON twins? that's close enough to gay... or pedophilia... and both of them, or just mary-kate, or just ashley?? now i'm curious. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:40:05 -0500 From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: RE: zorn digs chicks. >> p.s. - the OLSON twins? that's close enough to gay... or pedophilia... and both of them, or just mary-kate, or just ashley?? now i'm curious. Actually this is a pretty common thing. I have friends and just regular folk that have a thing for the Olson twins now that they are getting a little more mature and being marketed as "sexy." I'm surprised that Zorn is as conventional in his lust/obsession, but oh well. I think for people who have that kind of affection for the Olson twins, it's both of them at the same time. It's sick, I know. Zach - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:34:37 -0800 From: skip Heller Subject: Re: zorn digs chicks. on 2/27/02 8:40 PM, Zachary Steiner at zsteiner@butler.edu wrote: > I think for > people who have that kind of affection for the Olson twins, it's both of > them at the same time. It's sick, I know. Yeah --one of them is weird enough, but TWO? skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 01:02:39 -0500 From: "Duke Wong" Subject: Re: Zorn digs chicks I thought that Zorn's got a thing for young Asian girls. >>p.s. - the OLSON twins? that's close enough to gay... or pedophilia... and both of them, or just mary-kate, or just ashley?? now i'm curious. Also, I did not know there WAS a men's room at Tonic. >>You mean the graffitti on the mens room wall at Tonic isn't True?? ;-) To make this post musically relevent, does anyone know anything about Zorn's new Satanist album? Duke _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:12:44 -0800 From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #799 skip Heller wrote: > In the midst of all these conflicts, I;d say your chances of getting a > really good, balanced book are in league with those of hell-bound snowballs. I dunno, I thought that was the biographer's job ... at least, when s/he's not hired by one of the feuding factions. Hey, if somebody managed to get a relatively balanced book out of the snakepit that is ex-Throbbing Gristledom a couple years ago, it doesn't seem that far-fetched; you just need someone who's cognizant of what is an axe and who's doing the grinding (and how to avoid becoming the wheel oneself). The more sides you can get data from, the better the odds of triangulating amongst them are. - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "It seems that the less respect you have for the legacy of jazz, the more likely you are to create it." -- Steve Hanson np: Monos, _360 degrees_ nr: Dan Simmons, _Song of Kali_ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:25:52 -0800 From: skip Heller Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #799 on 2/27/02 11:12 PM, Jim Flannery at newgrange@sfo.com wrote: > I dunno, I thought that was the biographer's job ... at least, when s/he's not > hired by one of the feuding factions. Hey, if somebody managed to get a > relatively balanced book out of the snakepit that is ex-Throbbing Gristledom a > couple years ago, it doesn't seem that far-fetched; you just need someone > who's > cognizant of what is an axe and who's doing the grinding (and how to avoid > becoming the wheel oneself). The more sides you can get data from, the better > the odds of triangulating amongst them are. > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jim Flannery Yeah, but few biographers come at their subject without the feeling that they already know what the truth is and they're gonna sort it out. If someone like Laura Hillenbrand was to write it, you'd get a great book, because she really sees all the numbers in the quation (so to speak). But she's not writing about rock personalities at present. And, where the Zappa thing is concerned, I know enough of the personalities you'd have to deal with to do such a book, and it would be rougher than most, because everyone has their version. And their attorney. sh - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:51:33 -0800 From: Clint Nation Subject: Game theory Did any of Mr. Zorn's Cobra projects turn out according to the set plan. Given the axioms of rational choice, the axioms that Mr. Zorn set-up, one should be predict the outcome of the musical interaction. As we know people do not always act rationally and this would lead to the piece not working out according to the "set" plan. Note: Rational chaoice would be determined by the axioms set up by Mr. Zorn.....i.e. "It is rational to prefer the destruction of the universe to the scratching of one's finger"-Hume. If so what peices actually work out and are there any writings explaining the logic and axioms used? A new member, XQUIQ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:32:00 +0000 From: "Ricardo Jorge" Subject: Ribot news any idea of how I can get my hands on this? and a new project debuted, The Crackers, featuring Marc, Jamaaladeen Tacuma, Calvin Weston, Dougie Bowne, and Marc Anthony Thompson. writing and recording the film score for "The Killing Zone" (a documentary) and contributing music to the Independent Film, "The Larami Project", which won rave reviews at the Sundance Film Festival. _________________________________________________________________ Converse com amigos on-line, experimente o MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com.br - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:03:58 +0100 From: "Remco Takken" Subject: Re: new fella'/ recommendations could I > get some recommendations regarding similar artists of this style using > violin, cello etc, and common jazz elements to create such a wonderful > sound, (the only other musician that I own who gives me similar > satisfaction is Django Reinhardt) A young and upcoming violin player who does just this, is Oene van Geel. His playing can be heard on cd's by the following groups, all might be available in the US through Cadence. Bite the Gnatze Mosaic On the Line Regards, Remco Takken - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:51:53 +0100 From: Jeroen de Boer Subject: Re: new fella'/ recommendations Or try to find albums by the dutch Vogelkwartet, featuring violinist Jasper Le Clerq: http://www.xs4all.nl/~loplop/contents/jasperleclercq.html Jeroen > > could I >> get some recommendations regarding similar artists of this style using >> violin, cello etc, and common jazz elements to create such a wonderful >> sound, (the only other musician that I own who gives me similar >> satisfaction is Django Reinhardt) > > A young and upcoming violin player who does just this, is Oene van Geel. His > playing can be heard on cd's by the following groups, all might be available > in the US through Cadence. > > Bite the Gnatze > Mosaic > On the Line > > Regards, Remco Takken > > > - > - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeroen de Boer content director Cyberslag Content Providing Damsterdiep 15 9711SG Groningen The Netherlands t +31(0)503115496 m +31 (0)624814506 f +31(0)503119447 jeroen@cyberslag.nl www.cyberslag.nl - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Non-JZ FS: K.K. Null (incl. guitar duets), Noto A few items of possible interest to Zorn-listees ... ** PRICES ARE US$ POSTAGE PAID ** in North America (more for overseas) If you don't like a price, make me an OFFER. $12 -- Noto - "Kerne" GER CD (Plate Lunch: 04) 1998 [One of Carsten Nicolai's best. 18 minimal tracks. Mint.] OFFERS -- K.K. Null - "Inorganic Orgasm" US CD (Manifold: mancd25) 1998 [7 tracks (62 min.) of droning, hypnotic, metallic-tinged and insect-like soundscapes. Comes in resealable sleeve w/ original art (each one is different!) by Australian artist Seldon Hunt. Limited & hand numbered (#41/500).] $16 -- V/A - "Guitar Organism" JAP CD (Nux: nux-d13) 1995 [60 min. of K.K. Null guitar duets w/ Fred Frith, Jim O'Rourke, Ichiro Agata & Guy Lohnes. The Frith piece is 27 min. live in Tokyo (1990), and the O'Rourke piece is 18+ min. (from the "New Kind Of Water" session, 1991). Mint.] Thanks for looking, - -Patrick pm.carey@utoronto.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:16:52 -0500 From: "Bruno Bissonnette" Subject: re: I gotta ask I think that he's not... wasn't he married to (or at least heavily involved with) Ikue Mori at some point? I know that they're back to being simple friends (and musical associates), but I'm pretty sure that some time ago they were romantically linked. >on 2/27/02 2:10 PM, Andrew at ahorton@vt.edu wrote: > >> Is Zorn a homosexual? I've been wondering this for about a year. >> >> Please, no "why should it matter" or indignant responses.....i'm just >> genuinely curious. >> >> andrew _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:30:49 -0500 From: James Hale Subject: Re: Do ya gotta ask? You can always tell when Rizzi's on vacation. Bruno Bissonnette wrote: > I think that he's not... > > >> Is Zorn a homosexual? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:02:53 -0500 From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: RE: I gotta ask It's funny, I always thought that Zorn was asexual. I believed that at an appointed time in the not so distant future, he would go through mitosis and make a new Zorn. It's always hard when your heroes turn out to be human after all (a human that likes the Olson twins, no less). Zach - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:57:59 EST From: UFOrbK8@aol.com Subject: heroes. In a message dated 02.28.02 10.03.57, zsteiner@butler.edu writes: >It's always hard when your heroes turn out >to be human after all (a human that likes the Olson twins, no less). oh, c'mon now. it's the olson twins. don't be so hard on john - clearly that does not make him human. ;) love, k8. - --- [.n0thing.is.what.is.sAid.] k a t e p e t e r s o n c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html http://www.icefoundation.org (roundtable) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:01:16 EST From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Olson Twins? - --part1_ca.7525f0c.29afae4c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who are the Olson twins? From Little House on the Prairie? Aren't they in their late-20s now? Completely in the dark, Tom In a message dated 2/28/02 10:59:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, UFOrbK8@aol.com writes: > > >It's always hard when your heroes turn out > >to be human after all (a human that likes the Olson twins, no less). > > oh, c'mon now. it's the olson twins. don't be so hard on john - clearly > that does not make him human. ;) > > love, > k8. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - --part1_ca.7525f0c.29afae4c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who are the Olson twins?  From Little House on the Prairie?  Aren't they in their late-20s now?

Completely in the dark,
Tom

In a message dated 2/28/02 10:59:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, UFOrbK8@aol.com writes:



>It's always hard when your heroes turn out
>to be human after all (a human that likes the Olson twins, no less).

oh, c'mon now.  it's the olson twins.  don't be so hard on john - clearly
that does not make him human.  ;)

love,
  k8.







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Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - --part1_ca.7525f0c.29afae4c_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:06:55 -0500 From: "Joeseph Simon" Subject: RE: Olson Twins? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C1C048.083BCE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Full House....if it was Little House, they would be in thier 40's to 50s then. J -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Samerivertwice@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:01 AM To: UFOrbK8@aol.com; zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Olson Twins? Who are the Olson twins? From Little House on the Prairie? Aren't they in their late-20s now? Completely in the dark, Tom In a message dated 2/28/02 10:59:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, UFOrbK8@aol.com writes: >It's always hard when your heroes turn out >to be human after all (a human that likes the Olson twins, no less). oh, c'mon now. it's the olson twins. don't be so hard on john - clearly that does not make him human. ;) love, k8. ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C1C048.083BCE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Full=20 House....if it was Little House, they would be in thier 40's to=20 50s then.
 
J
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Who are the=20 Olson twins?  From Little House on the Prairie?  Aren't they = in=20 their late-20s now?

Completely in the dark,
Tom

In a = message=20 dated 2/28/02 10:59:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, UFOrbK8@aol.com=20 writes:



>It's always hard when your heroes turn = out
>to be=20 human after all (a human that likes the Olson twins, no = less).

oh,=20 c'mon now.  it's the olson twins.  don't be so hard on = john -=20 clearly
that does not make him human.  = ;)

love,
 =20 = k8.







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