From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #802 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, February 28 2002 Volume 03 : Number 802 In this issue: - RE: I gotta ask Re: Olson Twins? Re: Game theory last minute LA question + previte mini review Fwd: Re: Olson Twins? (absolutely no Z-content) Fwd: last minute LA question + previte mini review Re: Olson Twins? another burning question Fwd: Re: Olson Twins? (absolutely no Z-content) Re: Olson Twins? (absolutely no Z-content) Re: another burning question RE: another burning question FW: o twins Re: Game Theory Re: another burning question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:29:39 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: RE: I gotta ask Hey guys: Fun is fun, but we wouldn't want someone's off-handed joke linking JZ and the O twins to be thought of as gospel truth. If anything will turn Zorn into a recluse it's rumors like that. But Skip, what's this I hear about Ornette and Mary Kate and those rumors about Frank Zappa's collaboration with Ashley before his unfortunate death... or was it rocker John Stamos? Is that what Gail is trying to keep from us? Ken - --- Zachary Steiner wrote: > It's funny, I always thought that Zorn was asexual. > I believed that at an appointed time in the not so distant future, he would go through mitosis and make a new Zorn. It's always hard when your heroes turn out > to be human after all (a human that likes the Olson > twins, no less). ===== Ken Waxman mingusaum@yahoo.ca www.jazzword.com - Jazz/improv news, CD reviews and photos ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:00:08 EST From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Olson Twins? - --part1_17c.4562a8a.29afbc18_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/28/02 11:04:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, proving@en.com writes: > Full House Full House? A TV show? Still in the dark, Tom ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - --part1_17c.4562a8a.29afbc18_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/28/02 11:04:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, proving@en.com writes:


Full House


Full House?  A TV show?

Still in the dark,
Tom
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Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - --part1_17c.4562a8a.29afbc18_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:11:22 -0600 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Game theory On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 07:51:33PM -0800, Clint Nation wrote: > > > Did any of Mr. Zorn's Cobra projects turn out according to the set > plan. Given the axioms of rational choice, the axioms that Mr. Zorn > set-up, one should be predict the outcome of the musical interaction. > As we know people do not always act rationally and this would lead to > the piece not working out according to the "set" plan. Note: Rational > chaoice would be determined by the axioms set up by Mr. Zorn.....i.e. > "It is rational to prefer the destruction of the universe to the > scratching of one's finger"-Hume. If so what peices actually work out > and are there any writings explaining the logic and axioms used? Hmm. From what little I know of game theory and of musical game pieces, I don't know that this would be all that applicable. There are no winners and losers in these games, and there's not much of a definable basis by which one arbitrary choice might be better than another. What do you see as the axioms set up in these pieces? - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems | | http://www.metatronpress.com/nj/smwb.html | | Latest CDs: Collaborations/ All Souls http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:23:50 -0600 (CST) From: Whit Schonbein Subject: last minute LA question + previte mini review 1. I'm off to Los Angeles sunday for a week. A perusal of the Knitting Factory Hollywood website was discouraging. Anybody know of anything interesting going on, muscially? By interesting I mean improv music, including some more straight ahead stuff, e.g., mehldau or chris potter's quartet. 2. I picked up Bobby Previte's '23 constellations...' tuesday, and have been listening to it every day since. I for one think he hit the nail on the head - the musical paintings composed by previte and performed so well by the ensemble definitely make me think of miro's constellations series . not that I would have made that association without the full-color reproductions of the paintings included in the booklet, but once you have them to look at, one can feel where the inspiration for each musical piece came from. The music is often playful, often happy, sometimes brooding, sometimes epic, somtimes free, but always under that sort of control only very good musicians (and band leaders) can enforce - very much previte (and also very much tonal - this isn't another atonal-modern-classical-ish bit of music). And each piece is short - 2-3 minutes; at first this was distracting - i felt they didn't last long enough to really get a feel for what was going on. but after multiple listens, the structure, melody, harmonies, and moods of each piece became more apparent, and my appreciation has increased as a result. Another recent winner from Tzadik (the other being Ibarra's latest)... cheers, whit np - the soft boys, 'underwater moonlight' - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:26:26 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: Olson Twins? (absolutely no Z-content) Yes, a TV-series. It also run in Spain for many years. It was about a widowed guy who lived with his three daughters, his brother-in-law (who was a musician and didn't allow anyone to touch his hair, if I recall), the latter's finaceé and a stupid friend who imitated the Yogui Bear among others. The youngest daughter was alternatively one of the Olson twins (blonde, blue-eyed- could be green but I'm color-blind!). It was supposed to be a comedy. Does it ring a bell now? The location was San Francisco. It was one of those life-is-a-wonderful-thing series. Efrén del Valle n.p: Robert Wyatt "Schleep" > > Full House > > Full House? A TV show? > > Still in the dark, > Tom > ______________________________________________________________________ > Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of > Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, > and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to > music." > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:31:10 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: last minute LA question + previte mini review HI, Whit wrote: Another recent winner from Tzadik > (the other being Ibarra's latest)... > Total disagreement here, Whit. For me, the dullest Ibarra release to date as I said some days ago. I played it again yesterday and this morning and, sincerely, I find no substance there aside of the players' obvious skills, which aren't too exposed here, anyway (except maybe Choi). Just an opinion. Best, Efrén del VAlle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:42:48 +0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: Olson Twins? >From: Samerivertwice@aol.com >Who are the Olson twins? Evil incarnate! _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:59:07 -0800 From: mwisckol@ocregister.com Subject: another burning question olsen twins, the sex life of zorn, ornette playing out of tune.... what i really want to know: is it true that ornette had himself catstrated in the mid-60s so that sexual urges would no longer distract him from his art? i mean, did complain a couple times about that distraction in earlier interviews and he does have a bit of a squeak in his voice, just like my grandfather got after having a cancer-related operation of that type (which, btw, he reported made him feel much better). also, where is a good place to start with the olsen twins? martin np. joe farrell -- moon germs - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:06:36 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: Olson Twins? (absolutely no Z-content) Yes, a TV-series. It also run in Spain for many years. It was about a widowed guy who lived with his three daughters, his brother-in-law (who was a musician and didn't allow anyone to touch his hair, if I recall), the latter's finaceé and a stupid friend who imitated the Yogui Bear among others. The youngest daughter was alternatively one of the Olson twins (blonde, blue-eyed- could be green but I'm color-blind!). It was supposed to be a comedy. Does it ring a bell now? The location was San Francisco. It was one of those life-is-a-wonderful-thing series. Efrén del Valle n.p: Robert Wyatt "Schleep" > > > Full House > > > > Full House? A TV show? > > > > Still in the dark, > > Tom > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of > > Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, > > and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff > to > > music." > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger > Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. > http://messenger.yahoo.es > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:08:57 EST From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Olson Twins? (absolutely no Z-content) - --part1_39.2326a285.29afcc39_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the description. Not sure I'm going to seek this one out, though= ,=20 despite the Olson twins. :) Tom In a message dated 2/28/02 12:27:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 efrendv@yahoo.es writes: > Yes, a TV-series. It also run in Spain for many years. > It was about a widowed guy who lived with his three > daughters, his brother-in-law (who was a musician and > didn't allow anyone to touch his hair, if I recall), > the latter's finace=E9 and a stupid friend who imitated > the Yogui Bear among others.=20 > The youngest daughter was alternatively one of the > Olson twins (blonde, blue-eyed- could be green but I'm > color-blind!).=20 > It was supposed to be a comedy. Does it ring a bell > now? > The location was San Francisco. It was one of those > life-is-a-wonderful-thing series. >=20 >=20 > Efr=E9n del Valle > n.p: Robert Wyatt "Schleep" >=20 ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately,=20 and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - --part1_39.2326a285.29afcc39_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the descriptio= n.  Not sure I'm going to seek this one out, though, despite the Olson=20= twins.  :)

Tom

In a message dated 2/28/02 12:27:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, efrendv@yahoo.= es writes:


Yes, a TV-series. It also run i= n Spain for many years.
It was about a widowed guy who lived with his three
daughters, his brother-in-law (who was a musician and
didn't allow anyone to touch his hair, if I recall),
the latter's finace=E9 and a stupid friend who imitated
the Yogui Bear among others.
The youngest daughter was alternatively one of the
Olson twins (blonde, blue-eyed- could be green but I'm
color-blind!).
It was supposed to be a comedy. Does it ring a bell
now?
The location was San Francisco. It was one of those
life-is-a-wonderful-thing series.


Efr=E9n del Valle
n.p: Robert Wyatt "Schleep"



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Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, a= nd enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - --part1_39.2326a285.29afcc39_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:07:32 -0600 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: another burning question On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 09:59:07AM -0800, mwisckol@ocregister.com wrote: > olsen twins, the sex life of zorn, ornette playing out of tune.... [snips] > also, where is a good place to start with the olsen twins? Check out their eponymous album, which consists of a song-for-song faithful cover of Ornette's album "Twins", followed by a CD bonus track of their version of Terry Riley's "Olsen III". :-) - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems | | http://www.metatronpress.com/nj/smwb.html | | Latest CDs: Collaborations/ All Souls http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:17:50 -0500 From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: RE: another burning question >> is it true that ornette had himself catstrated in the mid-60s so that sexual urges would no longer distract him from his art? If anything will turn Ornette into a recluse it's rumors like that... ;) I'm partial to early Olsen Twins such as "Brother For Sale" and "I am the Cute One." Though "Winning London," their most recent effort, has a mature sound and tight performances by all, but doesn't have the raw energy and charm of the two previously mentioned albums. I'm also a big fan of their film work. Any one check out their foray into the world of literature? Zach - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:31:31 -0700 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: FW: o twins whoa now! At the risk of any of this drizzling out into the world at large and - = god forbid - reaching and frightening Mr. Zorn in seclusion or something = more terrible I'm going to repost my message with a bit of commentary >..famous people and sex.=A0 Its our (mass american culture) favorite stuff.=20 >I heard Zorn was actually sending 'secret admirer' cards to the Olson twins.=20 >my favorite britney picture:=20 >http://www.theonion.com/onion3735/a_shattered_nation.html=20 these three statments were in succession and I admit it is a little vauge but I have absolutely NO information regarding Zorn's love life = or personal life for that matter. I figured that the link might help further put the joke in perspective but... sorry for the nearly shattering the Zorn action figure complete with = battery operated pants. Matt - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:33:50 -0600 From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Game Theory Clint Nation asks: > > Did any of Mr. Zorn's Cobra projects turn out according to the set > plan. Given the axioms of rational choice, the axioms that Mr. Zorn > set-up, one should be predict the outcome of the musical interaction. > As we know people do not always act rationally and this would lead to > the piece not working out according to the "set" plan. Note: Rational > chaoice would be determined by the axioms set up by Mr. Zorn.....i.e. > "It is rational to prefer the destruction of the universe to the > scratching of one's finger"-Hume. If so what peices actually work out > and are there any writings explaining the logic and axioms used? > >A new member, >XQUIQ Maybe I'm not fully understanding what you write here, but these pieces aren't just outlines that Zorn didn't fill in entirely, they're like "real" games with sets of rules, but options for individual players within these rules. The range of actions and interactions is wide enough that there's no sense in trying to predict the outcome. Just as in baseball or hockey or chess or whatever, of course, based on past performances, you can always "predict" that one team or individual will kick another's butt, but the game doesn't always go the way you think it will. A baseball game in which the Texas Rangers beat the Seattle Mariners might be unlikely, based on last year's teams at least, but it could still follow all of the rules of baseball and be unpredictable in this way. The FAQ has a lengthy description of game pieces that may be of help. Or not. Bests, Herb - -- Herb Levy Mappings on Antenna Internet Radio mappings@antennaradio.com Mappings P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 USA - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:38:08 EST From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: another burning question - --part1_182.45de689.29afef30_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/28/2002 1:03:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, mwisckol@ocregister.com writes: > > also, where is a good place to start with the olsen twins? > Pretty much anywhere, as long as you've just finished playing the entire Captain and Tennille catalog first. Dale. - --part1_182.45de689.29afef30_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/28/2002 1:03:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, mwisckol@ocregister.com writes:



also, where is a good place to start with the olsen twins?


Pretty much anywhere, as long as you've just finished playing the entire Captain and Tennille catalog first.

Dale. - --part1_182.45de689.29afef30_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #802 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com