From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #842 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, March 22 2002 Volume 03 : Number 842 In this issue: - Fwd: Re: Ooops!... Britney again! Willie Nels(on) Cline John Patton RIP ( Zorn content) Re: Ooops!... Britney again! Re: How Come? RE: [berne] scifri .nzc. Re: flag-waving our long national nightmare is over ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:20:31 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: Ooops!... Britney again! My suspicions on Tamra Davis come from a Spanish book on Sonic Youth that defines her as an experimental filmmaker and video director. I just wanted to confirm the newspapers and me were talking about the same person that directed SY’s “Bull in the Heather” video and Britney’s first theatrical effort. It’s curious, to say the least. > > Efrén wrote: > > > Are the > > "underground" filmmaker and the Hollywood-puppet > the > > same person?!< > > Um, yeah they are ... judging by her earlier work > (_Billy Madison_, > > _CB4_, _Gun Crazy_), I'm not sure where the word > "underground" comes > > into it though ... I've never heard of her doing > anything more > > "experimental" than a Bangles video ... what > position is she supposed > > to be "selling out" from? > > > -- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Jim Flannery > newgrange@sfo.com > > np: Carlos Zingaro/Peggy Lee, _Western Front, > Vancouver 1999_ > nr: John Lanchester, _The Debt to Pleasure_ > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:18:33 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Willie Nels(on) Cline A most delightful thing coming up at Tonic that I couldn't help sharing... - --Fri, Apr 19-- * Carla Bozulich & Friends Play Willie Nelson's Red Headed Stranger at 8pm, $10 Nels Cline will be backing Carla up on guitar and lap steel with his new trio, The Nels Cline Singers. Both Carla and Nels are members of The (long sleeping) Geraldine Fibbers. Performance of this classic Willie Nelson album is a heartfelt compulsion. The new arrangements you'll hear at this concert reflect possible risks and variations inspired by the free spirit of the original album. * The Nels Cline Singers at 10pm, $10 With Nels Cline (guitar), Scott Amendola (drums) and Devin Hoff (upright bass). Cline calls his new trio The Nels Cline Singers even though there are no singers in the band. Nels displays a mastery of guitar expression that encompasses delicate lyricism, sonic abstractions, and skull crunching flights of fancy, inspiring Jazz Times to call him, "The World's Most Dangerous Guitarist." Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - G. Brent Fariss, Piano Sonata No. 2 - G. Brent Fariss (Spectral House) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:23:40 -0500 From: "DJ Steve" Subject: John Patton RIP ( Zorn content) Big John Patton passed away Tuesday 3/19/02, may he rest in peace. Here's a bio I wrote a while back...( By Gilles Bacon) John Patton was born in 1935 in Kansas City, Missouri. His mother played piano in local churches and social groups, but he says he's mostly self-taught, picking up the instrument at the age of 12. John had planned to attend Howard University, and was working in a service station and sitting in at clubs when he auditioned for Lloyd Price. John stayed with Lloyd for almost 6 years, becoming the musical director and de facto band manager. He wrote several songs for Lloyd, and recorded some 10 albums during that time, which also saw him touring the US and Australia. John says he'd fool around with any organ that would happen to be in a club, but he didn't switch until later. In the summer of 1961, John moved to New York City because he wanted to play Jazz. He got a room at the Flanders Hotel on 47th Street which was a musician's hangout. There were often jam sessions in someone's room, and he got to know many musicians that way. Thanks to Luther Dixon who worked with Lloyd Price, John got a job at Sceptre Records capitalizing on his talents as a songwriter. Among other tunes, he wrote "Wedding Day" performed by The Shirelles. During this time, John played around town at clubs like Brankers, Basie's, Minton's, The Barron, The Red Rooster, The 5 Spot, Shalimar, and at the New York World's Fair. He played with musicians like Calvin Newborn, Donald Byrd, Ben Dixon, Babs Gonzales, Harold Vick and Grant Green. Later on, he also became friends with Clifford Jarvis and sat in with the Sun Ra band several times. He also met Herman Greene (of Lionel Hampton's band) while playing the strip in Asbury Park. It was Greene who, along with Ben Dixon, persuaded John to switch to the organ. He got a chance to play exclusively the organ with Greene, and decided to go with it. Grant Green, who was working with Gloria Coleman at the time, told Lou about John and invited him over to Blue Note. That was the start of a 10 year stay with the label. 1963 was John's most prolific year, as he recorded 9 albums: 2 as a leader (although Blue John was only released in 1986), 2 with Lou Donaldson, and 1 each with Grant Green, Johnny Griffin & Mathew Gee, Red Holloway, Harold Vick, and Don Wilkerson. In fact, John, Green and Ben Dixon formed Blue Note's strongest rhythm section in the Soul-Jazz vein, backing artists like Donaldson, Vick, Wilkerson, George Braith, as well as playing on John's and Green's own albums as leaders. John went on to record 10 more albums as a leader for Blue Note, including the classics The Way I Feel with Fred Jackson and Let 'Em Roll with Bobby Hutcherson both with Green and Dixon, and his most daring Understanding with Harold Alexander and Hugh Walker. Blue Note not only issued for the first time Blue John in 1986, but in the last two years have issued 2 of John's shelved projects, Boogaloo also with Alexander and George Edward Brown on drums, and more recently Memphis to New York Spirit with Marvin Cabell and James Ulmer. Among the many musicians John has played with, his two most memorable associations were with Alexander, and with Pharoah Sanders during a tour of Austria with Betty Carter in the late 60's. Unfortunately, the death of Alfred Lion and the drastic changes at Blue Note from its purchase by United Artists, along with the "death" of the B-3 organ and birth of cheap synthesizers, forced John out of the recording industry. Aside from 5 sessions as a sideman with Johnny Lytle, Jimmy Ponder and John Zorn, John only recorded one album as a leader during the 70's and 80's, Soul Connection, with Grachan Moncur III, Melvin Sparks, Grant Reed and Alvin Queen. In the 90's however, with the resurrection of the Hammond B-3 organ, John's career is picking up again. On top of the 2 recently released Blue Note sessions from the 60's, he recorded two new albums. Blue Planet Man is mostly new material played in a sextet with John Zorn, Bill Saxton, Pete Chavez, Ed Cherry, Eddie Gladden, with Lawrence Killian and Rorie Nichols adding some color with the congas and vocals on one track. This album, produced by John's wife Thelma, was recently issued domestically by Evidence. DIW released Minor Swing, re-recordings of John's tunes from the 60's in a quartet setting with John Zorn, Ed Cherry and Kenny Wolleson. This album (produced in an elegant packaging like a miniature record with folding sleeve), while not yet available domestically, has gotten excellent reviews and is widely available as an import. The band opened up for Medeski Martin & Wood four nights in a row in November 1995! DIW also recorded John doing new material with Dave Hubbard, Ed Cherry, Eddie Gladden and Lawrence Killian. This One's For Ja was Patton's last release On a last note, while John's songwriting credits may come as a surprise to some fans of his organ playing, it will probably surprise most people to know that he has also coached musicians, most recently and notably, Cassandra Wilson. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:29:42 -0800 From: skip Heller Subject: Re: Ooops!... Britney again! on 3/22/02 10:02 AM, Jim Flannery at newgrange@sfo.com wrote: > Efr=E9n wrote: >=20 >> Are the >> "underground" filmmaker and the Hollywood-puppet the >> same person?!< >=20 > Um, yeah they are ... judging by her earlier work (_Billy Madison_, >=20 > _CB4_, _Gun Crazy_), I'm not sure where the word "underground" comes >=20 > into it though ... I've never heard of her doing anything more >=20 > "experimental" than a Bangles video ... what position is she supposed >=20 > to be "selling out" from? >=20 the underground filmmaker is generally struggling hard for the right to be = a Hollywood puppet. You think these guys like making movies on a budget that is slightly less than what the trailer for a Spielberg movie costs? skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:28:44 -0600 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: How Come? On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 02:10:14AM -0800, john schuller wrote: > Wow. This is more fun than a chatroom now. You are a knob of which I do not > care to spend much more time with. Do you even have an opinion? Or are you > here to question every sentence typed? I truly think you are a sad sad > person in need of some serious outside activity. I really do. A "knob"? > You cannot sense sarcasm. Except when expressed effectively. (And, as anyone who has been online awhile knows, email, without the additional channels of communication available through live speech, such as facial expressions, is specifically ill-suited to sarcasm.) As for the other supposed points, I see that you are set in your dogmatism, and that no amount of explanation will have any effect other that spawning your further flights of nonsense. I suggest Remedial Reading, less caffeine, and maybe even meeting people other than yourself. > 1. I never complained about "Political Correctness". > 2. Religion is a trivial matter. I do not see it's relevance to whether or > not the music is good. I can't wait to try some good Muslim food. How about > that new Christian Car? Have you checked out that Jehovah Witness Stereo? > 3. Women have issues. Men have issues. Whites have issues. Blacks have > issues. Welcome to life. I think you have the most issues. > 4. Religion is a lifestyle choice. I was born a European-American Male. Not > my choice. I am an atheist. My choice. My cousin was born a Europan-American > male. Not his choice. He is Mormon. His choice. > 5. I believe in equality among men, women and all races and ethnicities. I > guess that makes me bad in your eyes. > > John Schuller > > Who is done with Mr. Zitt. > > > >From: Joseph Zitt > >To: john schuller > >CC: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: Re: How Come? > >Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:05:26 -0600 > > > >On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:23:29PM -0800, john schuller wrote: > > > > > >In what way are you incapable of seeing this? > > > > > > Explain your view of how that is complaining about Political Correctness > >and > > > I will see the way the I am currently incapable of seeing this. Do it. I > > > dare ya. > > > >Explain to me how you are not seeing it, and I will fill in the gap. > > > > > Because the marketing of those projects promotes seperation. People > >hanging > > > out with others of like backgrounds etc. just promotes people hanging > >out. > > > >Again: you find some unstated problem with people creating projects > >(which, of course, are inextricable from that to which I am guessing > >that you refer by the term "marketing") based on that which they find > >that they have in common with some others. If you do not find this to > >be a problem, then explain why you approve of other projects that can > >safely be predicted not to be of interest to any other subset of the > >world population. > > > > > Not "Look at me, I am different because I was born with different > > > genetalia"... > > > >If you consider women's issues to be a simple matter of "genitalia", > >you demonstrate your further incomprehension of the lives of people > >other than yourself. > > > > > > > How? I don't dislike the recording projects. I dislike that they are > > > > > marketed the way they are. > > > > > > > >How are you drawing this distinction? > > > > > > Here is our "People with Vagina" series. Etc. Etc. > > > >Again: how are you drawing the difference between the recording and > >marketing of the Radical Jewish Culture series? With the possible exception > >of the Great Jewish Composers trilogy (which I suspect is the joker in the > >deck), the other items in the series are particularly relevant to Jewish > >culture, and were primarily created expressly for that series. > > > >Your repeated issue with "genetalia" (sic) and "Vagina" is best left > >as a matter for your therapist. > > > > > >Yet you find it, and not the others, as a valid parameter for > > > >aggregation. I ask again: why? > > > > > > It is valid just because all it is a geographical spot. In different > > > countries the music can be very different from others. Sort of like how > > > people with penises make different music than those with vaginas. They > > > should all be in seperate a seperate Music Series. > > > >Unfortunately, possibly as a result of the displayed psychosexual issues, > >the above paragraph has lost even syntactical coherence. Try again? > > > > > >Thus confirming the earlier suggestion that you are unfamiliar with > > > >more than a trivial concept of religious belief and practice. > > > > > > That is because religion is a lifestyle choice that I have ZERO interest > >in. > > > It is a life style that is not for me. To me- all religious practices > >and > > > belief are trivial. > > > >"trivial"... "ZERO interest"... yet you repeatedly and vociferously > >condemn its expression in art. Curious. > > > >That you project your lack of interest in it into a demand that you > >place on others fits snugly into the arrogant solipsism which you have > >revealed so far. > > > >-- > >| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | > >| New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems | > >| http://www.metatronpress.com/nj/smwb.html | > >| Latest CDs: Collaborations/ All Souls http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | > >| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems | | http://www.metatronpress.com/nj/smwb.html | | Latest CDs: Collaborations/ All Souls http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:36:39 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: [berne] scifri .nzc. Thanks, Jason, for the succinct and insightful view of the new Berne, which I've yet to hear apart from the MP3s available on the website. This one's certainly on my shopping list now (but then, that's kind of a given...). Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - G. Brent Fariss, Piano Sonata No. 2 - G. Brent Fariss (Spectral House) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:38:53 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: flag-waving On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:18:47 -0800 skip Heller wrote: > > I don't know that intellectuals speaking out has ever solved anything -- > were it only that simple. During the Vietnam era, the perception of the US > citizenry -- such as it could be viewed by those in the international > elsewhere -- was definitely that our rank-and-file citizenry were far more > motivated to say something publicly about the decisions our leadership made > and how they were being implemented. That it looked interesting on the news > didn;t hurt, either. Bunch of weird-lookin' young people gathered in one > place is always a good start. If there can be a riot, even better. In fact I was not really thinking about the minority of true intellectuals (although I would feel better if they were more outspoken -- assuming they care). The real tragedy (but I am a pessimistic person by nature) right now is that even among the liberals, there is very little reaction (and US is still 50/50 as far as the main two parties, right?). And if the rest of the world believes that US is one behind its leader, they have good reasons to do so. If Americans were paying a little attention to what is happening in the rest of the world (on which a good part of their wealth is based), they would be surprised. Before September 11, there was a growing concern that US was becoming a problem (for peace, for economic stability, for environment, etc). After the tragic event, these concerns were overshadowed by US (fairly) well accepted answer to the tragedy. But many indicators seem to indicate that the honeymoon is over. More and more people in this world are starting again to feel that the main problem right now is US, as represented by the Bush admi- nistration. And the silence of the opposition is quite disturbing (maybe trying to recover from 8 years of easy life and hangover with Clinton). Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:47:28 +0000 From: "Kurt Gottschalk" Subject: our long national nightmare is over just got this in the mail at the paper here. "Just think of a single product able to stop scratches, fingerprints and smudge marks from damaging your CDs. DVDs and CD-ROMs, by taking the worry out of how carefully you try to handle them by hand. It's called the CD-LIFT and it enables you to pick up your CDs without your fingers even touching the CD surface. The CD-LIFT works by a gentle vacuum suction that allows you to lift and transport your CDs from the CD case to the PC drive or CD player and vice versa, thereby avoiding the manual touch-and-grab way CDs are usually handled." essentially, it's a suction cup that you can use to take the cd out of the case. available in grass green, raspberry, ocean blue, sunflower, purple grape and walnut, for a mere $12.95. ok, single-file please, no pushing. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #842 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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