From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #871 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, April 1 2002 Volume 03 : Number 871 In this issue: - Re: Morton Feldman & EdgarD Varese Re: feldman. RE: i need input. Re: i need input. Altered States Re: i need input. Re: i need input. Re: i need input Re: i need input. Re: i need input. Re: Richard Pinhas and Schizotrope Fwd: Metropolitan Klezmer in Long Beach NY (Long Island!) Sale (Tada Masami, Oval, Aube/Sian) - email offlist Fwd: Phil Kline's Shadow Traffic at MATA - April 8 RE: Hip Hop (Go-Go) Re: i need input. Bad music/noise RE: Hip Hop (Go-Go) dub techno for uforbk8 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 13:31:25 -0600 From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Morton Feldman & EdgarD Varese Herb Levy mistyped: >Of Feldman's later works long enough so they won't fit onto such a >compilation, I really, really love Violin & String Quartet with Aki >Takahashi & Kronos on Nonesuch. Make that Piano & String Quartet. I've just finished up the notes for an April Mappings that includes the new recording of Violin & String Quartet on Ogre/Ogress (which I like on initial listenings and probably should also have recommended) and I guess that nearly explains my error. - -- Herb Levy Mappings: new music in RealAudio P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 USA http://antennaradio.com/mappings/show.htm mappings@antennaradio.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:28:22 EST From: UFOrbK8@aol.com Subject: Re: feldman. In a message dated 03.31.02 13.17.41, db@biink.com writes: >> and morton feldman was possibly the coolest looking composer of all time. >And, at the same time: the scariest. alright all you well connected composers out there. it's time for a little easter contest. it's not really a contest, so much as a questionnaire. did morton feldman smell bad? inquiring minds want to know... any description of his scent would be welcomed, the more detailed the better. and does anyone know what he used in his hair? these are definitely the earmarks of cool composerdom. love, k8. (who has eaten too much candy today) - --- [.n0thing.is.what.is.sAid.] k a t e p e t e r s o n c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html http://www.icefoundation.org (roundtable) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:08:25 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: i need input. Burning Airlines - Vince Kargatis (still here, Vince?) turned me on to this band. I like their album 'Identikit' a lot. Propagandhi - 'Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes' yokes fierce songcraft to fierce politics. Check out their website at http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/propagandhi/news.shtml, which includes, in addition to the typical bios, photos, discography and sounds, links to any number of social activist sites (today including one called indictsharon.net - as in Ariel, of course). Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of UFOrbK8@aol.com i am looking for reccomendations in two genres, both of which you all probably hate, so bear with me: emo - the poppier the better but still punk none of that radio play shit - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:22:02 +0000 From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Re: i need input. >From: UFOrbK8@aol.com >Subject: i need input. > >i am looking for reccomendations in two genres, both of which you all >probably hate, so bear with me: > >emo - the poppier the better but still punk none of that radio play shit >dub techno - kind of in the kit clayton genre or something closer On the dub techno front, I'm guessing you haven't heard Vladislav Delay. Try Entain and if you prefer house, Luomo and Uusitalo. Also someone mentioned Pole regarding the rice crispies dub. I'm partial to the second Pole CD. the first Gas release is also not bad. If you're looking for something a bit closer to more traditional dub, try the Macro Dub Infection comps on Virgin and the Electric Ladyland comps on Mille Plateaux, the most recent one there works out of "click pop" but I haven't heard it yet. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:51:18 -0400 From: mwoodwor Subject: Altered States Hey There- Downtown Music Gallery is featuring a bunch of the Japanese band, Altered States, releases right now. They list one of the releases 'Altered States featuring Otomo Yoshihide - Lithuania and Estonia live!' as being out of print and impossible to find. I picked this up in Japan a few years ago. If anyone is a big fan and really wants it, I'd be willing to do a trade for something else. BTW, anyone on the list heard Altered States and have a favorite/opinion, if I think back I don't ever recall them being discussed.... Mike. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:03:22 EST From: RainDog138@aol.com Subject: Re: i need input. emo: Any Fugazi record, but start with 13 songs or End Hits. Also Any Jimmy Eat World album (clarity, and bleed american are masterpieces) - they are very poppy at times, but also very creative. I also would suggest any Dismemberment Plan recording though i'm not sure they take themselves seriously enough to be called emo. but they should not be missed (i just caught the show in chicago last week - WOW!) - very very original stuff. - -mike t (the instigator) - - ------------------------------ Date: From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Re: i need input. * UFOrbK8@aol.com: >>dub techno - kind of in the kit clayton genre or something closer * "Andrew" : >Do you mean glitch? >Kit Clayton doesn't really have anything to do with dub. My God, have you ever listened to a Clayton LP? He's very much about dub (modern/post-dub that is), in the same way as Stefan Betke (Pole). He spans a decent range for sure, but within this you'll find noise, glitch, breaks, ambient, and plenty of dub/post-dub soundscapes. Just have a listen to his brilliant "Nek Sanalet" CD or "Nek Purpalet" 12" on Betke's top-notch ~Scape label (almost everything on it is great, IMO), or his disc on Drop Beat, "Repetition & Nonsense". >I suggest Jan Jelinek's "loop finding jazz records" I'll second this ... and since I really don't know _exactly_ where Kate is going with "dub techno", I'll just say that most folks wouldn't be out of place with a few of these: almost all Chain Reaction/Basic Chann= el associated material [M aka Maurizio, Vainqueur, Porter Ricks (w/ Thomas K=F6ner), Monolake, Scion, Various Artists, Rhythm & Sound, Fluxion (2C= D) etc.], Pole, some Vladislav Delay (he's got a ton of stuff out now and spans quite a range), Jelinek under the Gramm & F=E4rben monikers, Surg= eon ... hell, even some Thomas Brinkmann might fit the bill. Hope some of these will get you started. :) - -Patrick NP: Feldman - "All Piano" 4CD - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:59:19 -0500 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: i need input >Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 09:59:36 -0500 >From: "Zachary Steiner" > >Could some one define emo? I've had some people try to explain it to no >avail. Thanks Recent article: http://www.furious.com/perfect/emo.html Hope that helps. Best, Jason Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 00:55:53 EST From: UFOrbK8@aol.com Subject: Re: i need input. In a message dated 03.31.02 18.22.38, bashline@hotmail.com writes: > >On the dub techno front, I'm guessing you haven't heard Vladislav Delay. ooh! i totally forgot about vladislav delay. i'm going to have my friend burn me some this week... mmm... thanks everyone for the reccs. . .. keep 'em coming... l, k of the broken tooth > - --- [.n0thing.is.what.is.sAid.] k a t e p e t e r s o n c o m p o s e r / p e r f o r m e r http://www.geocities.com/uforbk8/kate.html http://www.icefoundation.org (roundtable) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:21:53 -0800 From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: i need input. Zachary Steiner wrote: > > Could some one define emo? Not sure if this is more helpful, or less, but you can watch the Aquarius Records folks batting the term around in Daniel Robin's series of short films shot in the store ... http://www.neighborhoodfilms.com/ver03/nf_aquariusrec_archive_p01.html Click on Episode 11 ... you'll need QuickTime4 installed for this to do you any good. - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "Unexamined assumptions and axioms can be collected the way one might collect stamps." -- James Elkins np: The Anaksimandros, _Life is a Skullbow_ nr: nothing - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 07:28:21 -0500 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Richard Pinhas and Schizotrope At 09:52 AM 3/30/02 +0000, Bill Ashline wrote: > >Pinhas also played with Heldon. Does anyone have any of their stuff? Any >recommendations and is there stuff still available? Thanks. I was hoping someone with more knowledge would chime in, but since I haven't seen anything yet, I'll dredge my memory banks. I've got the last three Heldon albums on vinyl, but haven't listened to them for a long time. For the most part I always liked Heldon more than Pinhas solo, but of the three albums I've got (Dream without consequence, Agneta Nilsson, and Stand by), I remember them all as driving sequencer+guitar+drums extended workouts. All of their work has been reissued by Cuneiform, and most of the albums have reviews at allmusic. There's a decent overview at Gibralter (http://www.gepr.net) as well. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:32:31 EST From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Metropolitan Klezmer in Long Beach NY (Long Island!) - --part1_15b.b8d73ce.29d9c97f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_15b.b8d73ce.29d9c97f_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: SICULAR@aol.com Full-name: SICULAR Message-ID: <169.b37c049.29d68d84@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:39:48 EST Subject: Metropolitan Klezmer in Long Beach NY (Long Island!) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Metropolitan Klezmer performs Saturday, April 6 Concert/dance party starts at 8 PM at Temple Emanuel, 455 Neptune Blvd in Long Beach NY (Nassau County, L.I.) Open to the public! Full eight-piece band Tickets: $18 general admission info/directions: 516.431.4060 "eclectic and sizzling klezmer" - JEWISH WEEK For more band info & calendar updates, see: www.metropolitanklezmer.com Band phone contact: 212.475.4544 Thanks! Eve Sicular - drummer/bandleader - --part1_15b.b8d73ce.29d9c97f_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Sale (Tada Masami, Oval, Aube/Sian) - email offlist Of possible interest ... Selling the following (+ more) - most brand new, all in great shape: Aube/RLW - "Organized" 10" Aube/SRS - "Video Field Recordings" LP Aube - "Deglaze" LP Oval - "94 Diskont" 2LP Sian - "Synapse/Atmos" LP Tada Masami - "Sound Improvisation " CD Please email me offlist for more info. Thanks - -Patrick pm.carey@utoronto.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:06:48 +0000 From: "Kurt Gottschalk" Subject: Fwd: Phil Kline's Shadow Traffic at MATA - April 8 >From: Phil Kline >To: Untitled Group 1 >Subject: Phil Kline's Shadow Traffic at MATA - April 8 >Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 21:30:28 -0500 > >Phil Kline's Shadow Traffic (urban work-in-progress) will be presented on >April 8th at 8 pm, beginning in Tomkins Square Park. Shadow Traffic is a >piece for an infinite number of boomboxes playing coordinated tapes to be >carried through the streets of the lower east side, the walk ending >approximately a half an hour later at the Angel Orensanz Center on Norfolk >Street. > >The composer will make available 30 boomboxes and tapes, but participants >are strongly encouraged to bring their own boomboxes, for which extra tapes >will be provided, and arrive at the 8th Street at Avenue A entrance to the >park by 7:45. Anyone wishing to take part and/or carry a boombox can email >boombox@mindspring.com or call 212-227-6255. > >Shadow Traffic will be part of the MATA (Music at the Anthology) Festival, >taking place at the Orensanz Center. While admission won't be charged in >the >park, those arriving at Orensanz and who wish to stay for the remainder of >the evening's program will be asked for voluntary donations to benefit >radio >station WNYC's rebuilding effort. > >In the event of rain, the entire piece will be presented in the Orensanz >Center _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 17:45:28 EST From: Nastifyer@aol.com Subject: RE: Hip Hop (Go-Go) Sorry this thread is long dead, but I was cleaning out my mail box and realized I forgot to reply to this. The list of Go-Go artists actually starts with Chuck Brown and the Soul Searchers. Chuck Brown started Go-Go by extending the percussion break sections of R&B tunes, not unlike what hip-hop Dj's did, but he used a live band (This is a huge oversimplification but it gives you an idea). You should be able to find some of his stuff available on-line. Other bands that come to mind but are probably harder to find outside the DC area are; The Backyard Band, Experience Unlimited (E.U.), Ju Ju & Sugarbear,and Rare Essence, Little Benny, Maisha & The Hip Huggers etc. Hope this helps, Sorry It took so long, I can't keep up w/ y'all. BTW I'm really enjoying the new Uri Caine Bedrock 3 CD (I think it's new), very cool. Has anybody else heard this? - -Eric In a message dated Wed, 20 Mar 2002 2:27:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Sean Westergaard" writes: > > >So, anybody want to recommend some good starter discs for Washington DC's > >indigenous music, Go-Go? Comps or single artist albums, it doesn't matter. > > this list has to start with Troublefunk. I don't really remember what's out > there by them, but i think there was a live album that was VERY good. their > studio stuff was not quite as hot, but they were a fun band. i think there > was a troublefunk album that was another casualty of the Infinite Zero label > closure. > > sean > > - > > > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:39:27 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: i need input. Andrew(ahorton@vt.edu)@Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 02:40:40AM -0500: > Do you mean glitch? Kit Clayton doesn't really have anything to do with dub. You need to listen to more Kit Clayton. :) m - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 15:30:09 -0800 From: Chris Selvig Subject: Bad music/noise "There is a question that I'm left with as a result of this heavily discussed issue: What is the differentiation between "bad music" and "noise?" I call a lot of what my roommate listens to (alt-rock, faux metal, etc) "bad music," but he calls a lot of what I listen to "noise." Why is the undesirable sound that he listens to bad music in my mind and not the same true for him (not just him but a great many people)? I'm curious." - sorry if I'm firing off a redundancy here, but I think what your roommate means is that your tastes lean toward sounds which do not even qualify as "music," but are "just noise." I've gotten that one a few times, and hey, it's a step up from dismissing it as "devil music." I'm guessing that the whole Cage/musique concrete thing is lost on him, and hope for your sake that you do not share a single room. Zach Chris Selvig - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:21:09 -0600 (CST) From: Les Henderson Subject: RE: Hip Hop (Go-Go) I would have to say that my favorite Go-Go group is the Junkyard Band. A few other really good groups are Rare Elegance, Huck-a-Bucks, and the Northeast Groovers. I have a pretty good Go-Go comp, but I don't have it with me and I can't recall the title right now. It is a pretty common comp to find in the DC area. I haven't tried looking outside of DC since most people that I've spoken with who are into hip-hop, who never lived in DC, have never heard of go-go. On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 Nastifyer@aol.com wrote: > Sorry this thread is long dead, but I was cleaning out my mail box and > realized I forgot to reply to this. The list of Go-Go artists actually > starts with Chuck Brown and the Soul Searchers. Chuck Brown started > Go-Go by extending the percussion break sections of R&B tunes, not > unlike what hip-hop Dj's did, but he used a live band (This is a huge > oversimplification but it gives you an idea). You should be able to > find some of his stuff available on-line. Other bands that come to > mind but are probably harder to find outside the DC area are; The > Backyard Band, Experience Unlimited (E.U.), Ju Ju & Sugarbear,and Rare > Essence, Little Benny, Maisha & The Hip Huggers etc. Hope this helps, > Sorry It took so long, I can't keep up w/ y'all. BTW I'm really > enjoying the new Uri Caine Bedrock 3 CD (I think it's new), very cool. > Has anybody else heard this? -Eric > > > In a message dated Wed, 20 Mar 2002 2:27:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Sean Westergaard" writes: > > > > > >So, anybody want to recommend some good starter discs for Washington DC's > > >indigenous music, Go-Go? Comps or single artist albums, it doesn't matter. > > > > this list has to start with Troublefunk. I don't really remember what's out > > there by them, but i think there was a live album that was VERY good. their > > studio stuff was not quite as hot, but they were a fun band. i think there > > was a troublefunk album that was another casualty of the Infinite Zero label > > closure. > > > > sean > > > > - > > > > > > > > - > > > > - > Les Henderson ljhender@midway.uchicago.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:15:26 -0600 From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: dub techno for uforbk8 UFOrbK8@aol.com(UFOrbK8@aol.com)@Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 02:38:57AM -0500: > dub techno - kind of in the kit clayton genre or something closer I love this genre, no hate involved! In fact, most of the house-related stuff I spin is dub-influenced... ...as is a lot of what I write! Here's an exclusive I don't have HTML'd yet, the first two parts are neato dub improvs: http://craque.net/mp3/miquez/Craque-WNUR-20020316/ I encourage anyone interested in that sound to also check out the dubby things at http://craque.net/head.html, including "Dubnbud", "Orgaslsp", and probably "Motet Unstabled"... on the main craque.net front page (at least right now) is a great jungle/dub track, "Nanotechno". Some folks have already mentioned Jan Jelinek, who is a genius, I love his work. Loop Finding Jazz Records is cool, but I am partial to his Farben work. Vladislav Delay is one of my big influences, I highly recommend Anima and Uusitalo. Pick up his release on ForceLab - oh and speaking of which, the Kid606 EP on that label called "P.S. I Dub Ya" takes several dubby tracks from his Mille Plateaux release "P.S. You Love Me" (which, in my humble opinion, is better than the source album, "P.S. I Love You"). Kit Clayton, as I hinted, is most certainly the Ubermensch of techno/idm dub, right along with Stefan Betke (Pole) and most anyone else with a release on ~scope. In fact, that's the label's focus - dub influenced glitch. Along those lines, a good deal of what Sutekh does is dub-influenced, though not as dub-sounding as Kit and his ilk. A good deal of what Safety Scissors does is very dub, though not categorically. Stuff on Chain Reaction is similar - notables are Hallucinator, Fluxion and Maurizio (actually come to think of it they might be on a different label, I'm trying to remember off the top of my head). All extremely minimal and extremely dub. Another very important techno dub label is raum musik, home of the incredibly awesome Dirk Diggler. I would almost recommend anything of his you can find. Basic Channel Basic Channel Basic Channel!!! They are all about dub... check out the re-releases Carl Craig is putting out on Planet E with some Basic Channel remix action. Never ever ever form a list of dub-influenced techno without mentioning Savvas Ysatis - he has a release on Tresor that is "da bomb", as the kids say, and I absolutely adore his release as Sound Track on Caipirinha. Miss Dinky's dub-influences are unmistakable, she has several EPs out on Traum. Monolake yes yes yes, I adore Monolake! I would add to the Brinkmann recommendation Mike Ink, whose "Studio One" series is most certainly dub influenced, though some more than others - the silver label 12" has a particularly nice lurching dub track. And, as Austin Powers says, I'm spent. mrd (aka Craque) http://craque.net - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #871 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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