From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #873 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, April 5 2002 Volume 03 : Number 873 In this issue: - Game Pieces/Cobra Release Re: Game Pieces/Cobra Release + NEW RELEASES Re Searching Fwd: Re: Game Pieces/Cobra Release + NEW RELEASES Soft Machine again quick Monk question RE: quick Monk question Music for Children Re: Soft Machine again new cobra review Re: Soft Machine again Re: Soft Machine again Re: Soft Machine again douglas and caine break-up music ESP labyrinth of reissues... Re: douglas and caine Re: douglas and caine Yoshihide - Dreams anyone taping Charlie Hunter/Bobby Previte touring webpage Re: touring webpage The Necks Antw: VPRO (was: Zony Mash returns) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:22:14 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Brooker Subject: Game Pieces/Cobra Release Is anyone aware of additional game pieces that Zorn may release next as part of the game piece archival series?? Also, what are everyones thoughts of the new Cobra release? I realize this question may have been asked before, but does anyone here have any of the game piece performances on VHS that they would be willing to sell copies of? (email me of response to this privately if you wish) Thanks,Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:15:03 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Game Pieces/Cobra Release + NEW RELEASES Hi people. >Also, what are everyones thoughts of the new >Cobra release? Is it already released? >I realize this question may have been asked before, >but does anyone here have any of the game piece >performances on VHS that they would be willing to sell >copies of? You should try to get a copy of "On The Edge", the four part tv series Derek Bailey made about improvisation. It has a lovely section about Zorn and "Cobra" with interview and recording excerpts. Very, very good. And interestingly, it wil get one of it's rare public screenings this week!! Also that night will be a Derek Bailey solo concert and a question & answer session, which I'm sure will be a ball. It's Friday 12 April: Electric Cinema, Birmingham (phone/fax: 0121 643 7277). Is anybody planning to go there??? I think it sounds like a very unique oportunity!! Anybody heard the following: Han Bennink & Evan Parker: "The grass is greener" Han Bennink, percussion; Evan Parker, saxophone. 1. Traps of appetite (15.15) 2. Traps of instinct (20.23) 3. Outside the usual rules of the eating game (05.18) 4. Smoke of sacrifice (07.30) 5. The empty hook (05.23) 6. Coyotes are eating pure bred poodles in Beverly Hills (02.24) 7. Pluto has a moon (04.21) 8. To tangle lure and snare (02.03) Recorded at Gateway Studios, London on 16 March 2000; produced by Evan Parker. Derek Bailey/Franz Hautzinger Derek Bailey, electric and acoustic guitar; Franz Hautzinger, quartertone trumpet. 1. Tea (05.54) 2. Cricket (11.50) 3. Talk (15.36) 4. Contracts (04.39) 5. Weather (05.22) 6. Appointment (07.54) 7. Details (03.58) 8. Krautrock (05.09) 9. The Vietnamese driver (04.15) 10. Out 147 (01.15) 11. Good B (00.46) Recorded at Moat Studios, London; no date given but definitely 2001, probably March; some post-processing done on Hautzinger's channel by Patrick Pulsinger and DJ Darcosan. Cheeeeeers, NR: http://www.democracynow.org/ NP: Fantomas: "Director's Cut" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 06:07:39 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re Searching Does anyone have any info on Amy Sheffer? Last time I heard a peep she had done a gig at the Knit, I think two Summers ago... Tried this back then and got no response. Two LPs with Will'am Parker: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/PARKER.disc.html#80.11.00 http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/PARKER.disc.html#85.12.27 Thanks for anything, RL http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE; COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN; Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN; HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag... - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:58:07 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: Game Pieces/Cobra Release + NEW RELEASES Hi, > > Hi people. > > >Also, what are everyones thoughts of the new > >Cobra release? > > Is it already released? Yes it has. In fact, some copies have already arrived to Spain, so look for it out there! I'll be able to listen to it tomorrow. I'll let you know my (humble) thoughts on it. "Hockey" has also been released. What about Mephista and Otomo's New Jazz Quintet? Has the Naked City Live Vol. 1 been delayed again? Thanks, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:06:18 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Soft Machine again Hi, Many months ago I got lots of Robert Wyatt/Soft Machine recs here but I lost all the info in my computer. I could take advantage of the RW recommendations but not those of Soft Machine. Today I found their "Vol. 1" and "Third". Are these a good place to start? Is Wyatt in both? Many thanks in advance. Best, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:25:28 -0500 From: Matt Teichman Subject: quick Monk question Who was it that originally composed "Ruby, My Dear"? Was it Monk, or someone else? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:56:20 -0500 From: "josephneff" Subject: RE: quick Monk question Hello, ...it was Monk. Joseph - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Matt Teichman Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:25 AM To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: quick Monk question Who was it that originally composed "Ruby, My Dear"? Was it Monk, or someone else? - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:25:02 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Music for Children Hi, I'd like to know from which book EM Cioran's quotations in the "Music for Children" album were taken. Any clues? Thanks in advance, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 12:06:56 -0500 From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: Soft Machine again >Hi, > >Many months ago I got lots of Robert Wyatt/Soft >Machine recs here but I lost all the info in my >computer. I could take advantage of the RW >recommendations but not those of Soft Machine. Today I >found their "Vol. 1" and "Third". Are these a good >place to start? Is Wyatt in both? > RW is on the first 4 Softs LP's and the pre-vol 1 demos that have been issued umpteen times. He's also on most of the BBC recordings and the Cuneiform live discs. Wyatt, the vocalist is probably best heard on vol 2, Wyatt the drummer on vol 4. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:03:49 -0800 (PST) From: jason tors Subject: new cobra review hi all, I think volume 2 is more dependent on experiencing cobra live than vol1 [xu feng] I think xu feng can stand on its own with or without the game piece concept. Vol2 is very visual, but maybe I can imagine what it looks like onstage with all the action happening from one side of the stage to the other. The first track starts off how I remember most performances, lots of movement and fragments from each musician or groups of musicians. Overall the first track has a very heavy electronic side, l.tops and samplers working in very dense patterns. The second track starts more quiet, mostly strings and piano, sparse work from susie on the drums gaining intensity in spots. Then electronics come in flowing into some great trios of strings and piano building into a large drone like sound. track three features derek bailey with electronic accompanyment with some connections that are pretty unbelievable. Shifting more acoustic groupings but mostly building on fractured guitar electronics and drums, the ending builds with a lot of high end piercing electronics sounds, finally ending with some very well built improv from the acoustic members and one last touch of electronics. This track seems to me all about balance and placement. Building tension. 4 is really the highlight for me, this is where the best of cobra comes out, where you forget that its all improvised, that there is some long hair calling the changes, it works really really well, from the totally unexpected noises and well placed spasms to some actual swing, saft sounding great on wurli [or other keybrd?] but behind it all so much density and texture. This track sums up the perfect experience of cobra. no time to go thru the rest, but you get the point. Its a great album, of course I think it helps to have a cobra performance under your belt, and doesnt stand on its own quite as well as xu feng, but is a damn good record. np: cobra v2 nr: http://vermontstudiocenter.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:36:07 -0800 From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: Soft Machine again Efr=E9n del Valle wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Many months ago I got lots of Robert Wyatt/Soft > Machine recs here but I lost all the info in my > computer. I could take advantage of the RW > recommendations but not those of Soft Machine. Today I > found their "Vol. 1" and "Third". Are these a good > place to start? Is Wyatt in both? To answer the first question, _Third_ is probably the best place to=20 start. IMHO (need to program a hotkey for that string ...). - --=20 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "Unexamined assumptions and axioms can be collected the way one might collect stamps." -- James Elkins np: Ilitch, _Periodikmindtrouble_ nr: _Rapid Eye 1_ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:43:29 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Soft Machine again On Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:36:07 -0800 Jim Flannery wrote: > > To answer the first question, _Third_ is probably the best place to > start. IMHO (need to program a hotkey for that string ...). But the sound is quite mediocre on the US pressing... According to some rumours, the UK pressing is much better: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - THIRD: Soft Machine 2002 (?) - Columbia (USA), CGK 30339 (CD) 2002 - Columbia (UK), 471407 (CD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Was somebody able to compare? Patrice (who usually does not care about audio quality). - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:47:03 -0800 From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: Soft Machine again Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > But the sound is quite mediocre on the US pressing... According to some > rumours, the UK pressing is much better: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > *** - THIRD: Soft Machine > > 2002 (?) - Columbia (USA), CGK 30339 (CD) > 2002 - Columbia (UK), 471407 (CD) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Was somebody able to compare? > On CD? No idea ... I've got the UK press of the vinyl (CBS 66246) & the sound is mediocre at best, especially on "Facelift"; always sort of assumed that was as good as it was going to get. If something's actually improved on *any* edition I'd be glad to know about it too ... - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "Unexamined assumptions and axioms can be collected the way one might collect stamps." -- James Elkins np: Gate, _The Wisher Table_ nr: Sax Rohmer, _The Green Eyes of Bast_ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:08:02 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: douglas and caine Heya, Just heard a rumour that Dave and Uri and co. (the quartet or quintet I guess) are going to be coming out to Australia around November this year. Can anyone confirm or deny such a notion? Thanks, Julian. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:44:05 +0200 (MEST) From: Emmanouil Papagiannakis Subject: break-up music I didn't follow very closely the discussion a few weeks ago about relation break up music. I thought it wouldn't apply to me soon... (always a fool) My delayed contribution to this thread would be Painkiller: Execution ground (ambient) slow and painful... manolis - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 09:02:29 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: ESP labyrinth of reissues... I need some help from people who understand what is going on with the ESP CD reissues. I just bought the CD reissue of Steve Lacy's THE FOREST AND THE ZOO and here is the info written on it concerning its origin: Abraxas/ESP-Disk Via Aretina 25 50069 Sieci (Firenze) Italy catalog number: ESP 1060 The problem is that Forced Exposure announced a slightly different reissue: NEW RELEASES FOR THE WEEK OF 03/04/02 ESP/CALIBRE (NETHERLANDS): LACY, STEVE: The Forest And The Zoo CD (ESPCD 1060). My question is: is it the same reissue of are we lucky enough to get two batches of ESP CD reissues at the same time: - one on ESP/Calibre (Netherlands) - and one on Abraxas/ESP (Italy) Thanks, Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 09:12:11 -0800 From: skip Heller Subject: Re: douglas and caine on 4/3/02 11:08 PM, Julian at jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au wrote: > Heya, > Just heard a rumour that Dave and Uri and co. (the quartet or quintet I > guess) are going to be coming out to Australia around November this year. > Can anyone confirm or deny such a notion? > Thanks, > Julian. > > > - > i'll ask uri tonight sh - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:41:05 EST From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: douglas and caine www.davedouglas.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 14:54:57 -0500 From: "Bruno Bissonnette" Subject: Yoshihide - Dreams Hey, has anybody heard the new Otomo Yoshihide Jazz Ensemble 'Dreams' cd on Tzadik? Impressions? Thanks, Bruno _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 16:24:17 -0500 From: "Alan Kayser" Subject: anyone taping Charlie Hunter/Bobby Previte Subject says it all. If you are attending & taping any of the four nights at the Old Office please contact me off line. Jody? Alan E Kayser _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:22:59 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: touring webpage A while ago I found a website which listed upcoming concerts for a whole lot of list-related(ish) musicians, including, if memory serves me correctly, artists such as Don Byron, Pachora and Carla Bley... Does anyone know which site I am talking about? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:04:01 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: touring webpage >A while ago I found a website which listed upcoming concerts for a whole >lot >of list-related(ish) musicians, including, if memory serves me correctly, >artists such as Don Byron, Pachora and Carla Bley... Does anyone know which >site I am talking about? I have a mighty good idea, if it's in Europe that is: http://www.ejn.it/saudades/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:38:53 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: The Necks Hello. Just listenied to "Hanging Gardens" by The Necks, and what a pleasent surpsrise! I thought this band would be plink plonk super minimal impro, but in fact it's very groovy. Quite similiar to Ponga, but with more than a slight Steve Reich touch. So I'm curious. what are their other CDs like?? Do they compare?? Which one would be the next one to get??? Have anybody seen them live?? I guess it might be incredibly boring, or...? Generally I prefer this type of music in my living room. (The Zorn connection of course being that the excellent drummer Tony Buck ones met a guy who claimed to have heard "The Big Gundown" in the mid 80s) Cheers, NP: "Hanging Garden" by The Necks NR: nothing _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 15:03:23 -0800 From: "Marcel Kranendonk" Subject: Antw: VPRO (was: Zony Mash returns) In the mean time the VR chanched there website. I'll figure it out and let you know in time. Marcel - ---------- >Van: Dgasque@aol.com >Aan: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Onderwerp: VPRO (was: Zony Mash returns) >Datum: zat, 30 maa 2002 10:40 > > In a message dated 3/29/02 10:28:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, > info@sjujazz.demon.nl writes: > > << Zony Mash (the electric version) played in Utrecht on sunday march 18. > This concert (a great show!!) was recorded by VPRO-radio and will be > broadcast in may or june. > This broadcast also available in real-audio on the VPRO-site in may or june: > http://www.vpro.nl/programma/jazzopvier >> > > Hi Marcel- > > There are multiple links that pop up under the above URL. For the sake of > bookmarking, which one of these will we click on to get to the future ZM > concert? > > -- > =dg= > > - > - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #873 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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