From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #881 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, April 11 2002 Volume 03 : Number 881 In this issue: - Re: ProTools (was: macmusic) Fantomas/Melvins Re: ProTools (was: macmusic) Re: japanese singers/mmw - uninvisible Re: Fantomas/Melvins RE: Douglas' orchestral work Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #879 Re: Buzzcocks Portuguese label in need of help (non zorn, sorry) Eugene Chadbourne RE: Douglas' orchestral work Keith Rowe haco, tenko, phew and ayler Re: Eugene Chadbourne Re: Eugene Chadbourne the end of the Pro Tools fiasco. Fw: [nyhappenings] MEREDITH MONK + more ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:27:37 EDT From: RainDog138@aol.com Subject: Re: ProTools (was: macmusic) all apologies accepted. no hard feelings. problem number one is that im trying to run pro tools on my home pc (a gateway) with the hard drive about half full (im working on that as i type). my studio experience was all analog 24 track - so i wanted to dable in the ever evolving digital world - i fought it off for years because i despise ADAT's and the "digital" sound. anyways i dumped the 32 track version today and im running the 8 track demo version. it's useless with this latency problem. there must be an adjust within the pro tools preferences to manage this, but i dont what it is or what to do with it. \ thanks for any help. - mike t - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:39:48 EDT From: Poisonhead@aol.com Subject: Fantomas/Melvins I wanted to say I really didn't think the Bigband disc was all that bad. I used to own quite a few of the Melvins discs but traded them away, I sure would like to hear them one more time because the old mind is weak and I can't remember much. But anyway heard the live Melvins album the other day and really couldn't take it. Just like Merzbow, I can't take the harsh stuff. Although I didn't get the joke with the Melvins disc. I held onto both Fantomas discs but maybe you could point me to the one Melvins disc to own again. I sure would like to listen per the posts. Andrew n.p.-Rabih Abou-Khalil's "The Cactus of Knowledge" - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:10:19 EDT From: RainDog138@aol.com Subject: Re: ProTools (was: macmusic) so what jack do i come out of if i want to monitor through something other than my computer? also can i record a stereo signal on to two tracks simultaniously using the line in or mic jacks (say i had a stereo mix of the drums i wanted to dump onto tracks 1 and 2?) ???? thanks again and again to all the have helped. - -mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:30:12 GMT From: "nors5379" Subject: Re: japanese singers/mmw - uninvisible i wasnt aware this conversation was occuring, but i recently heard a mr. bungle show where mike patton sings a couple verses in japanese. it caught my ears and i have been going around singing these unknown words for the last couple days. can anybody recommend some well known japanese singers (male or female)? it doesnt have to be avant garde related, maybe better that it isnt. somewhere in the realm between traditional, commercial and avant garde i guess. also i havent noticed anybody bring up MMW's new album 'uninvisible' which was released yesterday. i picked it up today and i've been playing it non-stop all day. defiently a step back towards the 'shack man' era. the disc is not as dark as say combustication and the dropper, but it defiently has the elements that made those records amazing. billy martin's percussion is well represented as well. i would highly recommend it even for the uniniated. - -darryl. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:39:52 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Fantomas/Melvins I enjoyed it for what it was - a goofy, rowdy free-for-all. I generally like Patton in theory a lot more than I like him in practice, though, and I wish he woulda kept his mouth shut during "Night Goat," cuz it doesn't seem like he knew all the words. Maybe that's not the point, but it's one of Buzz's better numbers. It was fun to hear the audience getting obnoxious and surly during Dave and Dale's hi-hat duet, though. I need to buy more Melvins, that's for damn sure, and I was stupid not to see them last year. (But not as stupid as I was to miss the Prince show last night that Kurt was gloating about earlier, which I completely forgot about because it was barely promoted...) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - MIMEO/Tilbury, 'The Hands of Caravaggio' (Erstwhile) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:12:28 -0300 From: "Hugo Linares" Subject: RE: Douglas' orchestral work Andreas np: Michael Blake Quartet - Elevated (Knit) - --------- What is your opinion on this Blake's outing? Thanks in advance. Hugo Linares - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:50:18 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Nick=20Cain?= Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #879 For the record & for what it's worth, O'Rourke had a solo acoustic guitar 7" on Table of the Elements in the early '90s. He also played plenty of acoustic guitar in Gastr del Sol, and used it on his recent duo with Mats Gustafsson ('Xylophonen Virtuosen' [Incus]). His acoustic guitar playing is like Bailey but a bit more tonal, with the odd touch of Fahey. Not very interesting. - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:58:55 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: new CD - and it looks good too! <> ===== www.info.net.nz/opprobrium __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:23:11 +0100 From: Philip Clarkson Subject: Re: Buzzcocks > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:23:50 -0700 > From: skip Heller > Subject: Re: FileList 1.0 help (no Zorn content) > > on 4/10/02 1:54 PM, William Crump at crumpw@bellsouth.net wrote: > >> I've followed dozens of Google leads to dead ends, and will continue >> searching the web, but I thought some zornlister might have a hot tip. >> (Though you all failed me MISERABLY on the Buzzcocks video footage, for >> shame.) > > Back in the day, there was hardly any Buzzcocks footage around. It's not > that we failed you. It was the major label conspiracy to bury punk rock. > > skip h There's a very brief (ie about 5 seconds) film clip of them performing "Ever Fallen In Love" live in the new British film "24 Hour Party People" about the story of Factory Records, and I can clearly remember them appearing regularly on BBC's "Top Of The Pops", so it seems unlikely that there is no footage of them at all - maybe it'll be harder to find stuff of the original line-up with Howard Devoto. "24 Hour Party People" is great fun for Factory fans - a mythic/comedic version of events from the legendary (of course) performance of the Sex Pistols in Manchester to Joy Division / New Order / Hacienda / Acid House / Happy Mondays / Factory bankruptcy. Steve Coogan plays Tony Wilson in the style of his TV-presenter character Alan Partridge, and the film is littered with cameos by manc legends - Howard Devoto, Vini Reilly, Mark E Smith, Paul Ryder etc etc. It's really worth a trip to the cinema... Phil Clarkson - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:05:56 +0000 From: "Ricardo Jorge" Subject: Portuguese label in need of help (non zorn, sorry) hi! label which released albums by Jad fair, Will Oldham, ... is geting fucked by politics (as usual in this lame country) they stole the copyright of their festival "cais do Rock" among other stuff... please help by sending suport messages to lowfly@ip.pt or buying theyr albums EXTRA CHEAP!!! LowFly - Press release - 9 Abril 2002 FACTO I: A Câmara Municipal da Póvoa de Varzim decidiu suspender a realização do Festival Cais do Rock argumentando a necessidade de contenção de despesas. FACTO II: A Câmara Municipal da Póvoa de Varzim, abusivamente, decidiu registar o nome "Cais do Rock". FACTO III: A Câmara Municipal da Póvoa de Varzim ainda se encontra devedora à LowFly Records da quantia de 500 mil escudos, resultante do pagamento das despesas de organização do festival na sua última edição, 2001. REACÇÂO: A LowFly aceita a suspensão de cessassão do apoio à organização do festival. A CMPV é livre para decidir apoiar ou não qualquer proposta que lhe seja apresentada. Por outro lado, a decisão de registo da expressão "Cais do Rock" pelo município, efectuada após a decisão de suspensão do festival, denota uma gritante falta de ética por parte do vereador do pelouro da Cultura, Luís Diamantino. Pretenderá a Câmara Municipal da Póvoa de Varzim impedir-nos de continuar a utilizar o nome "Cais do Rock"?... Nome criado pela LowFly? Nome que não lhes pertence de direito? Nome que utilizamos para o festival desde a sua primeira edição, em 1994, e nos nossos discos que compilam bandas que passaram pelo palco do Cais do Rock de que já existem 3 Volumes?... Pretenderá a Câmara Municipal da Póvoa de Varzim, sózinha ou convidando outra empresa, continuar a organizar o festival, aproveitando-se da ideia e do projecto criado e desenvolvido pela LowFly? A falta de pagamento da verba para as despesas de organização do festival em 2001, que nos é devido há um ano, tem criado dificuldades à editora, obrigando-nos à suspensão e anulação de alguns projectos. É o caso do novo volume Cais do Rock, cd compilando algumas das bandas participantes no festival nas edições de 2000 e 2001, bem como de um novo número da revista CRU. A LowFly fará publicar na próxima semana, num jornal local, uma carta aberta ao vereador da cultura, Luís Diamantino, exprimindo o seu desagrado com a presente situação. Para o efeito, precisamos do vosso apoio! Precisamos das vossas mensagens de apoio, que serão reunidas online no site da lowFly e que reuniremos num dossier que será entregue na Câmara Municipal. Se são músicos, membros de bandas que passaram pelo festival, ou apenas espectadores, certamente terão a ideia da importância do mesmo, das suas caracteristicas especiais, da possibilidade de descoberta de novos projectos, do apoio que a LowFly sempre prestou ás novas bandas nacionais. Se são jornalistas, deverão conhecer a dificuldade em organizar um festival verdadeiramente independente e reconhecer o trabalho que a LowFly tem desenvolvido nos últimos anos. Precisamos também do vosso apoio financeiro, para podermos suportar as despesas da luta que se avizinha. Para o efeito, todos os discos da LowFly a partir de hoje passarão a custar um valor simbólico, de forma a reunirmos a verba necessária para o pagamento da publicação dessa carta aberta e também para a contratação de um advogado que nos ajude a defender a verdade! Enviem-nos as vossas mensagens de apoio: lowfly@ip.pt Comprem os nossos discos: Cd's a 5Euros: Cais do Rock Vol. 1 - Clockwork, Supernova, Tina & The Top Ten, Red Beans, Us Forretas Ocultos, Zen, Astonishing Urbana Fall, Primitive Reason, Orange, Monsterpiece... Cais do Rock Vol. 2 - The Sound Destructors, Everground, Glove, Gasoleene, Pinhead Society, Toast, More República Masónica, Blue Orange Juice, Blindman's Buff, Phase, This Isn't Luxury... Cais do Rock Vol. 3 - Rollana Beat, Coldfinger, Madame Godard, jaguar, toast, Blue Orange Juice, dr. frankenstein, Pussycats, Tédio Boys, Zen... Clockwork The Sound Destructor - Inclui BD de Rui Ricardo Strobe (Jad Fair) Dr. Frankenstein Singles 3Euros: Clockwork Us Forretas Ocultos Alien Picnic Kola! Anomoanon Todos os portes incluídos. Enviem pagamento (cheque à ordem de Arnaldo Pedro da Silva) para: LowFly Records - Apartado 317 - 4490 Póvoa de Varzim Já têm os discos. Sempre podem comprá-los de novo e oferecer a um amigo. Por último, ajudem-nos na divulgação desta mensagem, fazendo o seu forward para os vossos contactos. Obrigado _________________________________________________________________ Converse com amigos on-line, experimente o MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com.br - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:21:17 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Eugene Chadbourne The following seems like good fun. Anybody heard it? EUGENE CHADBOURNE: "Country Music In The World Of Islam" Eugene Chadbourne: vocals, guitars, banjo, communist harmonicas; The Sun City Girls; Elliott Sharp: soprano, lap steel, dobro; Ben Face: electricbass; Yamo Kneeme: alto. 1990 - Fundamental, Save 80 CD (CD) Cheers, _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:04:35 +0200 From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: RE: Douglas' orchestral work I think it´s the best one of him I heard so far - very relaxed and varied. Andreas np: Herbert Joos - Joe Koinzer (Sesam LP) >From: "Hugo Linares" > >Andreas > >np: Michael Blake Quartet - Elevated (Knit) > >--------- >What is your opinion on this Blake's outing? > >Thanks in advance. > >Hugo Linares _________________________________________________________________ Werden Sie Mitglied bei MSN Hotmail, dem größten E-Mail-Service der Welt. http://www.hotmail.com/de - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:07:51 -0400 From: "Alan Kayser" Subject: Keith Rowe I'd say that the Evan Parker duo recording "Dark Rags" is a must have. IMHO, the duo sessions produced by the members of AMM and Mr. Parker are "better" than any recent AMM. Alan E Kayser _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:38:32 +0000 From: "Kurt Gottschalk" Subject: haco, tenko, phew and ayler some misguided soul asked: >hey, > >I'm a bit confused. Can anybody explain the difference between Haco, Tenko >and Phew? this is an odd question. what's the difference between female japanese vocalists? what's the difference between john butcher, evan parker and andy mackay, for that matter? haco is more a pop singer, and in no way do i mean that as a slight. she's fucking amazing. really sweet songwriter, nice improviser, good sense for different projects. hoahio on tzadik is one of the best and probably one of the easiest to find. the first 'after dinner' record (probably her most famous group) and her more recent 'happiness proof' have been reissued domestically (US), and are both nice. phew is more proggy and likes to kick with the krautrockers. she's more in line with dagmar krause in vocal style, i suppose. somebody talked down her group novo tono here recently, but i really like it (probably because i'm not much a progger, and it has otomo and seichi yamamoto). tenko is probably the most experimental of the three, and goes more into vocalese than lyrics than do the others. her two discs with ikue mori (death praxis and murder mystery) are quite good. some of her stuff (titles escape me) feels a little aimless, but those are pretty hard to find now anyway. and in re chadbourne's 'ayler undead', i disagree. there's a lot of ayler there. of course, there's no horn, but i think chadbourne really carries the spirit and the themes are recognizable. really a great record. chad's growth in the last few years, methinks, has been as an ensemble player. 'pain pen' is a good example. this is a trio with an italian rhythm section, and they all play nicely together. few solo chad trax, too. kurt the rainbow child _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:59:44 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Eugene Chadbourne >>>EUGENE CHADBOURNE: "Country Music In The World Of Islam"<<< First Chad I ever heard. Remains one of my favorites. Topics on a couple of songs are a bit dated, but the music is Chadbourne at his best. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:38:06 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Eugene Chadbourne > >>>EUGENE CHADBOURNE: "Country Music In The World Of Islam"<<< > >First Chad I ever heard. Remains one of my favorites. Topics on a >couple of songs are a bit dated, but the music is Chadbourne at >his best. I know this is a bit ridicilious, but how does it compare to his other CDs? Is it similar to "Corpses Of A Foreign War" which must be from around that time as well? I mean, his music cover so many genres! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:27:01 EDT From: RainDog138@aol.com Subject: the end of the Pro Tools fiasco. well - i found the answers for the latency issues with the signal flow of Pro Tools. The Digidesign website has all the answers to all our questions. In fact, under the FAQ pages the very first question is "why do i hear a delay when monitoring the input signal?" - it's a universal problem with all pro tools. it seems if you don't have some kind of super computer to run the program on your just screwed. They suggest you just monitor the instrument being recorded through an outbaord mixing console, split the signal using a direct out to send to pro tools, and then mute that track on the pro tools mixer. kinda strange, but apparently a common problem. they have several pages on other FAQ that i found very helpful including how to optimize your pc for use with pro tools. many many thanks to all that helped me with this query. www.digidesign.com/support/faq/ptfree.html.en no longer frustrated - mike t. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:47:33 -0400 From: "Nirav Soni" Subject: Fw: [nyhappenings] MEREDITH MONK + more oh wow. Lineup says it all. I'll be there, at least for a few of them. > PERFORMANCE IDEAS: > a series of public talks on the contemporary arts > curated by Meredith Monk and Bonnie Marranca. > FREE and open to the public and taking place at > > WHITE BOX > 525 West 26th Street > New York, NY 10001 > (212) 714-2347 > http://www.whiteboxny.org > > Tuesday, April 16 at 7:30PM > Tuesday, April 30 at 7:30PM > Tuesday, May 7 at 7:30PM > > LIVE PERFORMANCE IN THE 21st CENTURY > Tuesday, April 16, 7:30PM > Blondell Cummings, Paul Krajniak, Meredith Monk, Marianne Weems, John > Zorn, Moderator: Bonnie Marranca > > CROSS MEDIA: CONTEMPORARY ART AND ITS AUDIENCE > Tuesday, April 30, 7:30PM > > Joan Jonas, Paul Kaiser, Phil Kline, Meredith Monk, Yvonne Rainer, > Moderator: Bonnie Marranca > > ART AS SPIRITUAL PRACTICE > Tuesday, May 7, 7:30PM > Agnes Denes, Richard Foreman, Meredith Monk, Shirin Neshat, Eiko > Otake, Moderator: Bonnie Marranca > > This project is supported in part with public funds from The New > York City Department of Cultural Affairs Challenge Program, The New > York State Council on the Arts, and Ellynne Skove. Nirav - -- NR- Danilo Kis- Early Sorrows (For Children and Sensitive Readers) NP- The Dead C- Trapdoor Fucking Exit (Siltbreeze) AIM: Icefactory37 "Duration is to the consciousness as light is to the eye" - Bill Viola - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #881 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com