From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #882 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, April 13 2002 Volume 03 : Number 882 In this issue: - Re: Fantomas/Melvins macmusic Haco the Maggot Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell Re: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell Re: Keith Rowe Fwd: Re: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell Re: Fwd: Re: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell Re: Re: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell Re: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell Re: Keith Rowe Cobra attack in SF Re: Cobra attack in SF Re: Cobra attack in SF mike patton rumor Re: mike patton rumor Re: Junk Genius Fado Recs Re: mike patton rumor Re: mike patton rumor Benefit to End the Israeli West Bank Occupation at Knitting Factory ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:31:03 From: "William York" Subject: Re: Fantomas/Melvins >I wanted to say I really didn't think the Bigband disc was all that >bad. I >used to own quite a few of the Melvins discs but traded them >away, I sure >would like to hear them one more time because the old >mind is weak and I >can't remember much. [...] I held onto both >Fantomas discs but maybe you could point me to the one Melvins disc to >own >again. I sure would like to listen per the posts. The one disc I would get it the CD of 'Ozma' on Boner, which also has the entire 'Gluey Porch Treatments' album. Those are both from the late 80s. A couple of the songs on the live FantomasMelvins album I remember being on 'Houdini' -- that's great too (mainly the first half). Probably more 'accessible' than the earlier stuff, but with some throwaway stuff near the end, too. I might have been the one who said the first negative things about the Melvins/Fantomas show a few weeks ago, although I didn't think I said anything really all that negative, just that I saw that show and didn't feel like I needed to get the CD. One thing that bugged me about that show, and the Fantomas show I saw around the time 'The Director's Cut' came out too, is how much material from the first CD, which I don't really like all that much, although Patton sure has gotten a lot of mileage out of it. I liked 'The Director's Cut' a lot more. I promise to shut up about the Melvins now. WY P.S. One more thing, on a semi-related note (in terms of weird, heavy, not-quite metal rock stuff), the new Oxbow album, 'An Evil Heat', is great, I think. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:44:23 +0200 From: "> chromasoom audio visuele communicatie >" Subject: macmusic > Dit bericht heeft een MIME-indeling. Aangezien uw e-maillezer deze indeling niet ondersteunt, is dit bericht mogelijk gedeeltelijk of geheel niet leesbaar. - --MS_Mac_OE_3101445863_141111_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit thank you all for your help with mac music software. Cellsynth indeed is a crazy program, as is of course Super Collider. my other recommendations could be: - -metasynth (I-software) - -reason (propellerhead, nice look & great possibilities) - -retro AS-1/unity DS-1 (bitheadz) - -tokyo:gamma/stella/vibra (koblo) thanks again & groetjes to all of you! jan > chromasoom bvba http://www.chromasoom.be mail@chromasoom.be np: Giustino Di Gregorio - Sprut nr: Philippe K. Dick - The Impossible Planet - --MS_Mac_OE_3101445863_141111_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable macmusic thank you all for your help with mac music software.
Cellsynth indeed is a crazy program, as is of course Super Collider.
my other recommendations could be:
- -metasynth (I-software)
- -reason (propellerhead, nice look & great possibilities)
- -retro AS-1/unity DS-1 (bitheadz)
- -tokyo:gamma/stella/vibra (koblo)

thanks again & groetjes to all of you!

jan

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chromasoom bvba
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mail@chromasoom.be

np: Giustino Di Gregorio - Sprut
nr: Philippe K. Dick - The Impossible Planet
- --MS_Mac_OE_3101445863_141111_MIME_Part-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:24:09 -0400 From: Poisonhead@aol.com Subject: Haco Anyone interested in Haco in the Buffalo area might want to check the listings for the Mohawk. She is scheduled to play there soon. Andrew - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:50:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Theo Klaase Subject: the Maggot If there is only one Melvins album to get right now it's "the Maggot." The album is Melvins thru and thru. Well thought out. ===== - -That which is Theo Insofar as the coercive powers of government are to be used to insure that particular people get particular things, it requires a kind of discrimination between, and an unequal treatment of, different people which is irreconcilable with a free society. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:38:49 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell Hi!! I just got "Ghost Of Electricity" by Junk Genious and I love it!! This is pretty much what Bill Frisell should be doing now. It many ways it's quite similar to the Frisell trio with Baron and Driscoll but moves a lot forward a at the same time. Heartly recommended!! Any recommendations for other albums in a similar vain...? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:55:32 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell > I just got "Ghost Of Electricity" by Junk Genious and I love it!! This is > pretty much what Bill Frisell should be doing now. It many ways it's quite > similar to the Frisell trio with Baron and Driscoll but moves a lot forward > a at the same time. > > Heartly recommended!! > > Any recommendations for other albums in a similar vain...? Just had another listen to it when I read your post. Great stuff. As far as similar albums, you could check out some other Ben Goldberg stuff, often with similar musicians. Don't know the albums by name, but you could check http://trevordunn.n3.net/ (don't know whether Goldberg has his own site). For the more heavy stuff perhaps Trevor Dunn's album with Adam Levy and Kenny Wollesen "Debutantes & Centipedes". And of course the first Junk Genius but I assume you know that one already... Also, the steel guitar stuff reminded me of Tin Hat Trio's "Helium" but on the whole they're very different. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:16:28 -0500 From: Mathieu =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=E9langer?= Subject: Re: Keith Rowe Hello, >I'd say that the Evan Parker duo recording "Dark Rags" is a must have. Am I the only one to be disappointed by _Dark Rags_? Is the music good? Yes. Was I impressed by it? Not at all. I've found it was exactly what I could expect of a Rowe/Parker duo... Maybe my expectations were too high because of all the comments saying how amazing this album was... I've found the Keith Rowe/Jeffrey Morgan duo _Dial:log-rhythm_ on Matchless to be much more interesting. This being said, I must agree that the duos with Eddie Pr=E9vost and John Tilbury are excellent though. Tschuss, Mathieu - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:39:13 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell Hi, If my memory serves, their first album was released on KF and the line-up was Ben Goldberg, John Schott, Trevord Dunn and Kenny Wollesen. Right? I couldn't find any connections with the Frisell Trio, though. I like "Light At the Crossroads" (Songlines) quite a lot. The lineup is the same but Marty Ehrlich replaces Schott on bass clarinet. Quite an enjoyable album and Dunn is superb on double-bass as are the two reedists. Best, Efrén del Valle > > > I just got "Ghost Of Electricity" by Junk Genious > and I love it!! This is > > pretty much what Bill Frisell should be doing now. > It many ways it's quite > > similar to the Frisell trio with Baron and > Driscoll but moves a lot > forward > > a at the same time. > > > > Heartly recommended!! > > > > Any recommendations for other albums in a similar > vain...? _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:43:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Banjology Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell This is > > > pretty much what Bill Frisell should be doing > now. It is what Bill should be playing?.....hmmm no ===== John LeGassey Banjology@yahoo.com AOL Messenger - GtrJazz9 Yahoo Messenger - GtrJazz9 Guitarist - Instructor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:43:24 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Re: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell > If my memory serves, their first album was released on > KF and the line-up was Ben Goldberg, John Schott, > Trevord Dunn and Kenny Wollesen. Right? I couldn't > find any connections with the Frisell Trio, though. Very little similarity to Frisell on the first album. The second one has some more folky, simple tunes which could be likened to Frisell. And to stretch that a little further, I guess Goldberg would be playing the part of Don Byron... - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:14:34 -0500 From: ripleyjames@attbi.com Subject: Re: Junk Genious vs. Bill Frisell The first album was kind of modern take on Charlie Parker/Be Bop and the second (Ghosts of Electricity) is a take on early American folk music to give you an idea of what might be the Junk Genius m.o.. James At 12:43 AM 4/13/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > If my memory serves, their first album was released on > > KF and the line-up was Ben Goldberg, John Schott, > > Trevord Dunn and Kenny Wollesen. Right? I couldn't > > find any connections with the Frisell Trio, though. > >Very little similarity to Frisell on the first album. The second one has >some more folky, simple tunes which could be likened to Frisell. And to >stretch that a little further, I guess Goldberg would be playing the part of >Don Byron... > > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:58:34 -0400 From: "Alan Kayser" Subject: Re: Keith Rowe Mathieu >>I'd say that the Evan Parker duo recording "Dark Rags" is a must have. > >Am I the only one to be disappointed by _Dark Rags_? Is the music >good? Yes. Was I impressed by it? Not at all. I've found it was >exactly what I could expect of a Rowe/Parker duo... To some degree people like Parker and Rowe have developed such distinctive styles that the listener knows exactly what to expect. But, then each brings that style to the duo situation, thus creating something new. Parker and Rowe are like old friends, I know ahead of time what they may say, but I'm still interested. >Maybe my >expectations were too high because of all the comments saying how >amazing this album was... > >I've found the Keith Rowe/Jeffrey Morgan duo _Dial:log-rhythm_ on >Matchless to be much more interesting. > >This being said, I must agree that the duos with Eddie Prévost and >John Tilbury are excellent though. Well, I would agree that the Prevost set is a complete success, the Tilbury a little less so. I had a pretty good idea of what the recordings would sound like before I ever heard them, but I'd say the same about Ellington, Miles, the Beatles, Monk, Django... Alan _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:50:58 -0700 From: Chris Selvig Subject: Cobra attack in SF Cobra Sunday, April 28, 9 PM at The LAB, 2948 16th Street in San Francisco. With a large ensemble of Cobra veterans and new music improvisers (Bob Ostertag, Tim Perkis, India Cooke, Tom Nunn, Ches Smith, Tom Djll and others not confirmed at press time) the game challenges the musicians to spontaneously shape the music with a panoply of strategies. Strings, brass, woodwinds, electronics, percussion and electric guitars assures a pallete that can and will go anywhere. And my family thinks I should move back to Colorado. Ha! Chris Selvig - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:42:13 -0500 From: "William Crump" Subject: Re: Cobra attack in SF Cool. Who's prompting? Wm.Crump - ---------- >From: Chris Selvig > Cobra > > Sunday, April 28, 9 PM at The LAB, 2948 16th Street in San Francisco. > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:01:44 -0700 From: Chris Selvig Subject: Re: Cobra attack in SF It looks like William Winant is, though it's not entirely clear from the Bay Improviser's Network calendar (www.bayimproviser.com). At 03:42 PM 4/12/02 -0500, William Crump wrote: >Cool. Who's prompting? >Wm.Crump > >---------- > >From: Chris Selvig > > > Cobra > > > > Sunday, April 28, 9 PM at The LAB, 2948 16th Street in San Francisco. > > Chris Selvig - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:59:22 EDT From: SonataPathetique@aol.com Subject: mike patton rumor There is a rumor going around that Mike Patton urinated on a bouncer during a Tomahawk show. Does anyone know the real story? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:43:43 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: mike patton rumor Patton Gives More Than Grief Posted Tuesday, March 12, 2002 by ARTMAN from www.thepitfiend.com/cgi-bin/newspro/viewnews.cgi?newsall Mike D. Pattom of Tomahawk, Fantomas, and the former Faith No More finished off his recent show with Tomahawk in London by urinating on the security guards in front of the stage. Rumor was that he ran into a lot of trouble with the guards earlier in the night. Expect lawsuits very soon. _________________________________________________________ Translated from: http://www.laut.de/vorlaut/news/2002/03/12/02610/ London ( ebi ) - with the last Song of the evening in the Londoner Astoria Tomahawk Frontmann Mike Patton asked the surprised Journaille again into the photo ditch. But instead of exclusive photos gabs for the press on past Sunday a warm shower. Because the former Faith NO More singer unpacked its best piece on the stage short hand and pisste several photographers and Security Guards on the head, reports the Metal hammer Also: www.metalhammer.co.uk/article.asp?ID=5582&type=NWS - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:08:37 +0200 (MET DST) From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman) Subject: Re: Junk Genius I understand John Schott (the genius behind Junk Genius) has a similar record out entitled _Shuffle Play_ which has gotten excellent reviews. Don=B4t recall the label, though... Stephen Stephen Fruitman Dept of Historical Studies Ume=E5 University SE-901 87 Ume=E5 Sweden - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:14:24 -0400 From: "Brian Olewnick" Subject: Fado Recs I was asked what I would recommend re: fado music and, since I have absolutely no idea about it, I figured I'd ask here. Any fado favorites out there? Thanks. Brian Olewnick NP: Dick Raaijmakers - The Complete Tape Music of.... - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:38:31 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: mike patton rumor I read elsewhere that it was just a dildo. However, Patton has been up to this kind of tricks before. And still is. When Tomahawk played in Norway recently, he had an audience member puke in his mouth. Don't ask me why. >From: "s~Z" >Reply-To: "s~Z" >To: >Subject: Re: mike patton rumor >Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:43:43 -0700 > >Patton Gives More Than Grief Posted Tuesday, March 12, 2002 by >ARTMAN > >from >www.thepitfiend.com/cgi-bin/newspro/viewnews.cgi?newsall > >Mike D. Pattom of Tomahawk, Fantomas, and the former Faith No More >finished off his recent show with Tomahawk in London by urinating >on the security guards in front of the stage. Rumor was that he >ran into a lot of trouble with the guards earlier in the night. >Expect lawsuits very soon. >_________________________________________________________ > >Translated from: >http://www.laut.de/vorlaut/news/2002/03/12/02610/ > >London ( ebi ) - with the last Song of the evening in the Londoner >Astoria Tomahawk Frontmann Mike Patton asked the surprised >Journaille again into the photo ditch. But instead of exclusive >photos gabs for the press on past Sunday a warm shower. Because >the former Faith NO More singer unpacked its best piece on the >stage short hand and pisste several photographers and Security >Guards on the head, reports the Metal hammer > >Also: >www.metalhammer.co.uk/article.asp?ID=5582&type=NWS > > > > >- > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:55:38 -0500 From: "William Crump" Subject: Re: mike patton rumor >From: "Arthur Gadney" > I read elsewhere that it was just a dildo. > At that point on stage, a Steely Dan cover would have been oh so clever. Wm.Crump - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:18:36 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Benefit to End the Israeli West Bank Occupation at Knitting Factory Hello. Is anybody going to this? Pretty interesting lineup, wonder what it will be like... Knitting Factory: Sunday, April 21, 2002; Benefit to End the Israeli West Bank Occupation Raz Mesinai, Frank London, David Soldier, Ammiel Alcalay, Jennifer Charles, Kathy Engel, and many more, Elliott Sharp, Marty Ehrlich, Roy Nathanson, Anthony Coleman, Lynne Tillman, Zafer Tawil, Barbara Barg, Marc Ribot, DJ Mutamassik ... An ad hoc group of New York City musicians and artists are organizing an event to generate money to be donated to three organizations: Gush Shalom, Al Mezan, and Tayoush that are all performing vital activites in support of ending the Israeli occupation of the West Bank. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #882 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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