From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #894 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, May 3 2002 Volume 03 : Number 894 In this issue: - Re: Hermetic Theatre Re: intergalactic maiden ballet Re: Hermetic Theatre Re: RE: intergalactic maiden ballet AW: improv music from japan 10cd boxset Naked City Live Improvised Music From Japan Antw: Improvised Music From Japan RE: Fwd: naked city live - listening... RE: Fwd: naked city live - listening... Re: AW: improv music from japan 10cd boxset Melt Banana on Queen tribute Andy Moore + Kaffe Mathhews Odp: RE: intergalactic maiden ballet Odp: Naked City Live the early gurus of electronic music Please, if anyone can help-- Re: the early gurus of electronic music Re: Please, if anyone can help-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 12:37:14 -0500 From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: Re: Hermetic Theatre >> I don't know this one but personaly, I really don't like Song From The Hermetic Theater... I just bought it and well....there's just some noises... Any comments of this? I have listened to Hermetic Theatre several times while on canal walks. It seemed to make more sense in this setting than sitting in a room listening to it. I can say that I don't like the computer tracks as well as the other ones, but I don't really mind the computer tracks now. I did a lot of thinking about this album and some how I reconciled with myself and it all makes sense. It seems the less I think about these pieces the more I appreciate them; I've found the same to be true with the Parachute Years. I guess it's easy to stop thinking and just listen when you are distracted by the beauty of nature. Hope that helps. Zach - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 10:45:11 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: intergalactic maiden ballet On Thu, 2 May 2002 13:17:44 -0400 Andy Marks wrote: > > While I haven't heard intergalactic maiden ballet, I would have to > say that the "worst Zorn release" honor belongs to Joe Piscopo's > New Jersey. Not necessarily because of his playing or input > (which is pretty minimal), but just the fact that he was even > involved in such a thing. Call it guilty pleasure, but I find the track "Honeymooners Rap" stupidly fun. It does not define a new paradigm in music creativity, that's sure, but fortunately it does not take itself too seriously either. On the other side, I find "Fat Boy" really annoying. > Along these lines, does anybody really know how Zorn actually got > involved with said Joe Piscopo album? Through Hal Willner, I would guess. > PS - I actually own this CD, just for the sheer novelty. I picked > it up from a bargain bin for one or two bucks. Any release year indicated on it? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:47:07 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Hermetic Theatre >>>I have listened to Hermetic Theatre several times while on canal walks. It seemed to make more sense in this setting than sitting in a room listening to it.<<< I've listened to it several times while having a root canal, and I'm telling you lights go on. It all makes sense. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 14:32:53 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: RE: intergalactic maiden ballet If you heard Intergalactic Maiden Ballet, you'd understand just why Joe Piscopo can't compare in terms of complete awfulness. At least Piscopo is entertaining; IMB is some of the most tedious, slack-jawed fuzak I've ever heard. THAT's the one that makes me wonder how and why Zorn got involved (and, if I recall correctly, he's only on a couple of cuts anyway). In terms of availability, pretty sure that IMB has been out of print for a few years here in the U.S., but I'd imagine it's still lurking in Germany and maybe even through Cadence. It's on the TipToe label, a still-active branch of Enja. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com On Thu, 2 May 2002 13:17:44 -0400 Andy Marks wrote: RE: intergalactic maiden ballet > don´t know where to get this in the US but it´s the worst of all Zorn > releases (according to this list several times). Perhaps this is the > reason you want to hear it? While I haven't heard intergalactic maiden ballet, I would have to say that the "worst Zorn release" honor belongs to Joe Piscopo's New Jersey. Not necessarily because of his playing or input (which is pretty minimal), but just the fact that he was even involved in such a thing. Along these lines, does anybody really know how Zorn actually got involved with said Joe Piscopo album? PS - I actually own this CD, just for the sheer novelty. I picked it up from a bargain bin for one or two bucks. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 12:10:09 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thorsten_Kr=E4mer?= Subject: AW: improv music from japan 10cd boxset I bought the box from a local shop in Germany just a couple of days ago, but so far i'm very enthusiastic about it. the box itself is beautifully done, with different artwork for all 10 cds and the thick booklet uses a lot of info that won't be found on their website. as for the music, it covers a wide range from old school free jazz to "contemporary" tradtional music for koto and shamisen and of course all varieties of noise. somehow, the 10 cds form some kind of chapters, that is to say the material is organised in a very organic (or smart?) manner. the sound quality varies due to the different sources. with a price of 179 Euro it really is a must have, considering that you would have to pay at least that much for 10 single import cds. hope that helps, thorsten - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 04:03:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Theo Klaase Subject: Naked City Live Well, I've just received my copy of the new Naked City Live and it's really great! It's recorded really loud too. I've always thought Zorn's sax playing was at it's peek in the late 80's early 90's and this CD captures that concept. Frisell was more experimental and interesting too. The track list is really dynamite and the improvs are truly stunning. In many ways this recording stands up taller than the studio versions. I've been waiting years for this release - I hope I don't have to wait years for volume 2. Let's cram Tzadik's e-mail with requests for a Naked City DVD concert! - -Theo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 12:50:05 +0100 (BST) From: alastair@pretentious.co.uk Subject: Improvised Music From Japan - ------=_Part_3536_8282763.1020426605893 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jan Weynants asked >Any comments on the Improvised Music from Japan 10-cd boxset? >Is it worth buying? Did anyone order it through Metamkine? > >http://www.japanimprov.com/ I'd say it's an essential purchase for anyone even vaguely interested in the scene. All the tracks are previously unreleased, so there'll be no overlap with anything you might already have. Discs 1-4 - which concentrate mostly on the onkyo-related scene - are worth the price of admission alone as far as I'm concerned. Nearly half an hour of Otomo spread over three pieces, 5 different Haco projects, and a staggering Yoshimitsu Ichiraku cymbal piece to name just a few of the highlights. I've been entertained, astounded and educated by the whole thing and I've only had the chance to listen to it through once. The booklet is extremely informative, and the whole package is beautiful. It even *smells* great. I ordered it through ReR and it took about a month - apparently they ordered it from Metamkine themselves! The only caveat I would have is that it'll make you go off and buy even more CDs after having your appetite whetted. I know I have a list... Alastair PS Those of you in London might be interested in Dialogue 3 @ The Spitz tomorrow (Saturday) - First European performance for turntable duo BusRatch who are Takahiro Yamamoto and Mori Katsura from Kyoto. Turntablism and experimental music using various objects as such records, stones, metals, cymbals and mousepads. Chant/Hood/ Wastell do a minimal electronic improvisation. Clive Bell plays the shakuhachi flute (Japan) and the Khene mouth organ (Thailand). http://www.spitz.co.uk/events/index.html and I have no financial interest in either the gig or the box set - just evangelisin'. - -- Personalised email by http://another.com - ------=_Part_3536_8282763.1020426605893-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 15:42:39 -0700 From: "Marcel Kranendonk" Subject: Antw: Improvised Music From Japan I bought a few weeks ago through Metamkine: they did a splendid job in packaging and sending the box. On the music: so far I've heard cd's 1 and 2: some amazing electro improv and other stuff. Great wooded box! If you have the money: buy the box and enjoy! Marcel - ---------- >Van: alastair@pretentious.co.uk >Aan: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Onderwerp: Improvised Music From Japan >Datum: vri, 3 mei 2002 04:50 > > Jan Weynants asked > > >>Any comments on the Improvised Music from Japan 10-cd boxset? >>Is it worth buying? Did anyone order it through Metamkine? >> >>http://www.japanimprov.com/ > > > I'd say it's an essential purchase for anyone even vaguely interested in > the scene. All the tracks are previously unreleased, so there'll be no > overlap with anything you might already have. Discs 1-4 - which concentrate > mostly on the onkyo-related scene - are worth the price of admission alone > as far as I'm concerned. Nearly half an hour of Otomo spread over three > pieces, 5 different Haco projects, and a staggering Yoshimitsu Ichiraku > cymbal piece to name just a few of the highlights. I've been entertained, > astounded and educated by the whole thing and I've only had the chance to > listen to it through once. The booklet is extremely informative, and the > whole package is beautiful. It even *smells* great. I ordered it through > ReR and it took about a month - apparently they ordered it from Metamkine > themselves! > > The only caveat I would have is that it'll make you go off and buy even > more CDs after having your appetite whetted. I know I have a list... > > Alastair > > PS Those of you in London might be interested in Dialogue 3 @ The Spitz > tomorrow (Saturday) - First European performance for turntable duo BusRatch > who are Takahiro Yamamoto and Mori Katsura from Kyoto. Turntablism and > experimental music using various objects as such records, stones, metals, > cymbals and mousepads. Chant/Hood/ Wastell do a minimal electronic > improvisation. Clive Bell plays the shakuhachi flute (Japan) and the Khene > mouth organ (Thailand). > > http://www.spitz.co.uk/events/index.html > > and I have no financial interest in either the gig or the box set - just > evangelisin'. > > > > > -- > Personalised email by http://another.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 10:38:39 EDT From: JSub@aol.com Subject: RE: Fwd: naked city live - listening... - --part1_b8.26e8b216.2a03faef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use to have a dubbed copy of a radio program Live at the Knitting Factory that featured a Naked City show from around the time of the first album - is this the same show as the new cd? Can anyone provide any other details about the Live at KF series? We're there very many and who else was featured? Jeff - --part1_b8.26e8b216.2a03faef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use to have a dubbed copy of a radio program Live at the Knitting Factory that featured a Naked City show from around the time of the first album - is this the same show as the new cd?  Can anyone provide any other details about the Live at KF series?  We're there very many and who else was featured?

Jeff
- --part1_b8.26e8b216.2a03faef_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 11:00:38 -0400 From: Brian Zande Subject: RE: Fwd: naked city live - listening... I remember one episode of "Live at the Kintting Factory" with Big John Patton, Frisell, Zen Matsura-drums (sp?) and Zorn. It was pretty hot. Taped it but lost the tape. : ( BZ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 19:11:30 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: AW: improv music from japan 10cd boxset How are the tracks by Seeichi Yamamoto?? Pretty curious about that. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 19:16:49 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Melt Banana on Queen tribute This came on the Melt Banana mailing list: "New release: - -Queen cover album compilation "Dynamite With A Laserbeam (queen as heard through the meat grinder of three one g)" was released on GSL. MELT-BANANA covered "We will Rock you". Different arrange from usual." Has anybody heard this???? _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 19:37:29 +0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Andy Moore + Kaffe Mathhews Hello. has anybody heard the heard the new duo CD by Andy Ex & Kaffe Matthews?? Judging from these sound clips, it should be brilliant: http://www.unsounds.com/releases/u02frame.html _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 00:39:11 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: RE: intergalactic maiden ballet If anyone wants a copy, i'd be ready to offer my copy for exchange. mail privately. Good condition - it's pretty boring, so i did not listen to it often. Steve's description is pretty accurate. Anyhow, that German band looks to record with guests, and JZ was apparently one of them (I saw their album with some pretty well known trumpet player whose name I forgot) Marcin - ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Smith > If you heard Intergalactic Maiden Ballet, you'd understand just why Joe Piscopo can't compare in terms of complete awfulness. At least Piscopo is entertaining; IMB is some of the most tedious, slack-jawed fuzak I've ever heard. THAT's the one that makes me wonder how and why Zorn got involved (and, if I recall correctly, he's only on a couple of cuts anyway). > > In terms of availability, pretty sure that IMB has been out of print for a few years here in the U.S., but I'd imagine it's still lurking in Germany and maybe even through Cadence. It's on the TipToe label, a still-active branch of Enja. > > Steve Smith - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 00:43:06 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Naked City Live Any ideas as to why are there so few interesting musical videos available? The sound quality of a VHS could have been an excuse, but with DVD things are different now. There's a terrific masada live from Warsaw (1995), professionally filmed by the polish television - it's just an example Marcin - ----- Original Message ----- From: Theo Klaase > Let's cram Tzadik's e-mail with requests for a Naked > City DVD concert! - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 19:17:45 -0400 From: David Keffer Subject: the early gurus of electronic music Saw this advertised on the Verge Music list. When somebody on the list hears this, a review would be appreciated. The 2 experimental instruments cd/book packages from ellipsis arts=20 were interesting, although the first was far superior to the second. ELLIPSIS ARTS USA Various OHM: the early gurus of electronic music AA-CD3670-3CD Experimental 052296367022 ($44.00 3CD) An anthology of electronic music featuring Clara Rockmore, Olivier Messiaen, Pierre Schaeffer, John Cage, Herbert Eimert / Robert Beyer, Otto Luening, Hugh Le Caine, Louis and Bebe Barron, Oskar Sala, Edgard Varese, Richard Maxfield, Tod Dockstader, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Vladimir Ussachevsky, Milton Babbitt, MEV, Raymond Scott, Steve Reich, Pauline Oliveros, Joji Yuasa, Morton Subotnick, David Tudor, Terry Riley, Holger Czukay, Luc Ferarri, Fran=E7ois Bayle, Jean-Claude Risset, Iannis Xenakis, La Monte Young, Charles Dodge, Paul Lansky, Laurie Spiegel, Bernard Parmegiani, David Behrman, John Chowning, Maryanne Amacher, Robert Ashley, Alvin Curran, Alvin Lucier, Klaus Schulze, Jon Hassell and Brian Eno. Includes a 96 pp. book with interviews, commentaries and archival photographs. *CC Thanks. David K. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 19:28:41 -0400 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Please, if anyone can help-- Just received an urgent e-mail, involving a dying man's "LAST WISH". I'm serious. Can any of you experts out there point me in the right direction? "trying to find the lyrics to an old Goebel Reeves song. It is on his album "Hobo's Lullabye. The song I am looking for is " In The Land Of The Never Was" Any help appreciated, Rick Lopez http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE; COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN; Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN; HARD BOIL; LUCILLE, a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag... - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 19:33:50 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: the early gurus of electronic music This has been out for quite a long time. It's simply essential. It's hard to imagine a better compilation of relatively brief classic electronic works, along with a good booklet about them and their context. On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 07:17:45PM -0400, David Keffer wrote: > > Saw this advertised on the Verge Music list. > > When somebody on the list hears this, a review would be appreciated. > The 2 experimental instruments cd/book packages from ellipsis arts > were interesting, although the first was far superior to the second. > > > ELLIPSIS ARTS USA > > Various > OHM: the early gurus of electronic music > AA-CD3670-3CD Experimental 052296367022 ($44.00 3CD) - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 19:38:40 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Please, if anyone can help-- On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 07:28:41PM -0400, Rick Lopez wrote: > Just received an urgent e-mail, involving a dying man's "LAST WISH". I'm > serious. Can any of you experts out there point me in the right direction? > > "trying to find the lyrics to an old Goebel Reeves song. It is on his album > "Hobo's Lullabye. The song I am looking for is " In The Land Of The Never > Was" http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/tamborine/175/thesongs/HobosLulaby.htm#Song%20lyrics - -- | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #894 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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