From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #907 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, May 16 2002 Volume 03 : Number 907 In this issue: - Zapata Electronic Music in RealAudio, Mappings play list for week beginning May 15, 2002 Re: recent Merzbow Leo Ornstein? German/ Berlin seventies jazz festival question Merzbow waits: do you know alice? waits - alice READ ME NOW: new zorn-list email software coming soon spy vs. spy Re: spy vs. spy Attack of the Clones (non Zorn) Re: spy vs. spy Re: spy vs. spy Fwd: Attack of the Clones (non Zorn) RE: spy vs. spy RE: spy vs. spy RE: Leo Ornstein? (and Reich, too) RE: waits - alice RE: Attack of the Clones (non Zorn) RE: waits - alice Re: waits - alice (now blood money) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:50:25 -0600 From: Dan Frank Kuehn Subject: Zapata "Zapata" is by John Barry, as announced by John Zorn on the bootleg I have. I think he said it was written for a small combo JB had, way back when. Dan in Taos PS - If anyone remembers an NYC old-timer (post-bop?) named Frank Morgan, he's moved to Taos NM, and regularly plays at local venues here. Mostly standards, played well but not so exciting to me. BUT, two nights ago, I caught him jamming a a private party with a bunch of drummers and another local sax guy, Peter Barbeau(Peter on sopranino and Frank on tenor) and I was happily blown away by about 50 minutes of fairly "out" stuff. Thank's, Frank - you still got it! I recorded direct to my laptop - it came out good, if anyone's interested. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 06:43:18 -0500 From: Herb Levy Subject: Electronic Music in RealAudio, Mappings play list for week beginning May 15, 2002 Hi y'all, This week on Mappings , you'll hear electronic music by composers Robert Ashley, Nicolas Collins, Thomas Gaudynski, Tom Heasley, Tetsu Inoue, Janek Schaefer, Carl Stone, Charles Wuorinen, and Richard Zvonar. The show went online Wednesday morning around 7:00 AM (-0500 GMT) and will remain online at the above URL for a week. Last week's program (featuring music by composer Cornelius Cardew) is still available in the Mappings archive (click on the link to last week's show on the page noted above), soon you will again find play lists for the program since it began in March 1998. Hope you tune in to the program. Bests, Herb - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:32:15 -0400 From: "Bruno Bissonnette" Subject: Re: recent Merzbow Personally, I like the new Merzbow discs quite a lot. I haven't heard Amlux, but have Collapse 12 Floors, Ikebukuro Dada, Hard Lovin' Man, and Dharma. Live at Radio 100 and Door Open at 8am aren't exactly "recent" - they still represent the 'analog' Merzbow, i.e. work with EMS, theremin, synths, metals/junk, turntables, etc. The four mentionned above (and Amlux, and also the Frogs LP, made with samples of frogs) are from the new digital Merzbow, created with a laptop. All are good, but he's getting better at it with every release, and I really love Hard Lovin' Man (made from Deep Purple samples of that song (!!)). Some noise purists debate that he's gotten softer and that it's not as good, refusing anything that was made in this laptop era; but I think it shows great progress by Masami Akita, who doesn't have to rely on huge walls of sound all the time anymore. Ikebukuro Dada has atonal orchestral samples, Dharma has some piano samples. I think there's a lot more dynamic variety than in some of his older work. Of course, all this among scorching washes of distortion and feedback, but hey, don't expect Masami to go soft on us just because he's getting older. Hope that helps, Bruno >>>>>>>>>> So how are recent Merzbow releases? I started listening to him in the mid 80s when it was all cassettes that were mostly ordered directly from him and then the RRR LP and the first CDS. But about 30 of these seemed enough: they didn't actually all sound the same but close enough, y'know. The last I got was the Tzadik release. But descriptions I've read about others over the past few years sound like they might be worth checking out. Esp Amlux, Ikebukuro Dada, Live at Radio 100, Door Open at 8am. Opinions? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:44:53 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Leo Ornstein? Does anybody has opinions on composer Leo Ornstein? Any recommenda- tions? Thanks, Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 21:56:07 +0200 From: "Remco Takken" Subject: German/ Berlin seventies jazz festival question Hi, Does anyone of you older German music lovers remember this Berlin jazzfestival where Wayne Shorter and Joe Zawinul debuted together *just* before they established Weather Report? They shared the bill in Berlin with Association PC, the early Dutch jazzrock group of Pierre Courbois and Jasper van 't Hof. When was this exactly 1970, 1971? How was it? Is there any press, or photographic evidence? and, equally important: Where should I turn to next with this question? Regards, Remco Takken - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 19:56:53 -0000 From: Subject: Merzbow I'm not fanatical enough to keep up with Mr Akita, but I got "Amlux" recently & it's quite good, and very different from the RRR-era power electronics yowl. It's all Powerbook now & there's less harsh noise, though it's certainly still around from time to time. He did one of the Amlux pieces live @ All Tomorrow's Parties and it was quite flooring, centered around a huge, low-pitched rockish riff repeated ad infinitum w/ big blasts of noise interspersed throughout. "1930" is excellent as well, though it's a few years old at his point - anyway, it's quite fun when one is properly addled. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:30:09 -0700 From: mwisckol@ocregister.com Subject: waits: do you know alice? does anyone know the, er, plotline of wilson/waits "alice" the theatre piece? the demo tape included lewis carroll's jabberwocky (crazy, man), so it would seem this is indeed alice in wonderland. in one print interview, waits said it was an imaginary romance between alice and l. carroll -- i couldn't tell if he was kidding or not. i haven't listened closely to every song on the CD, but the ones i have seem to be one offs, rather than being connnected by characters or storylines. anyone? martin - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 16:49:08 EDT From: RainDog138@aol.com Subject: waits - alice yes tom waits "alice" is based on Alice Liddel. Lewis Carrol's writings "Alice in Wonderland" and "Through The Looking Glass" The Anti.com website has all kinds of background information on this album and it's evil twin "Blood Money" also check the OfficialTomWaits.com Site and The Tom Waits Supplement at go.to/tomwaits.com take care, - -mt - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 16:05:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Rizzi Subject: READ ME NOW: new zorn-list email software coming soon As we discussed this winter, I've been investigating better mailing list software to run the zorn-list. After much delay, we've got Mailman hooked up and just about ready to go. When the time comes I will subscribe everyone to the new zorn-list mail list server and shut down the old majordomo based list server. When you receive a Welcome to the Zorn-List message, then you will know that the switch over is happening. At that point make sure all of your replies to previous messages go to the new zorn-list email address (which will be specified in your Welcome email). DIGEST READERS NOTE I hope to be able to subscribe digest members for the new zorn-list digest. If I am not able to do that, you will have to change the list mode yourself (again, the Welcome message will tell you how to do it). ONE BENEFIT The new software has a web interface so you will be able to change your subscription options (including a new going on vacation, disable my email feature) easily yourself. During this process I do not have time to deal with other administrative issues for the majordomo list. I'm hoping to have this all done within the next 24 hours. thanks, mike rizzi zorn-list-fuckin-geek - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 02:01:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Albrecht Koschnik Subject: spy vs. spy Zornsters, I recently bought a used copy of Spy vs. Spy (on Elektra Musician)--and the sound quality is awful!!! Do you have the same problem? Is there another/more recent version available (I don't think so)? Are you aware of rumors that Spy vs. Spy will be rereleased, on Tzadik maybe?! thanks, albrecht - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:10:03 +0100 From: Brian Hickey Subject: Re: spy vs. spy I bought Spy vs Spy on CD a few years ago. The sound quality is excellent. I haven't heard anything about a rerelease . . . > From: Albrecht Koschnik > Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 02:01:10 -0400 (EDT) > To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Subject: spy vs. spy > > Zornsters, > > I recently bought a used copy of Spy vs. Spy (on Elektra Musician)--and > the sound quality is awful!!! Do you have the same problem? Is there > another/more recent version available (I don't think so)? Are you aware > of rumors that Spy vs. Spy will be rereleased, on Tzadik maybe?! > > thanks, albrecht > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 04:10:25 EDT From: SonataPathetique@aol.com Subject: Attack of the Clones (non Zorn) I know its off subject but I just wanted to tell everyone that I thought Attack of the Clones was as good as any of the original Star Wars films if not the best. It will take more viewings to see how it compares. I hated Phantom Menace and I think this film made up for it. If anyone has seen ATOC, please share your thoughts. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 01:18:06 -0700 From: Clint Enns Subject: Re: spy vs. spy Mine sucked too...there is no bass in the mix.......however it is outstanding otherwise. Brian Hickey wrote: > > I bought Spy vs Spy on CD a few years ago. The sound quality is excellent. I > haven't heard anything about a rerelease . . . > > > From: Albrecht Koschnik > > Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 02:01:10 -0400 (EDT) > > To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: spy vs. spy > > > > Zornsters, > > > > I recently bought a used copy of Spy vs. Spy (on Elektra Musician)--and > > the sound quality is awful!!! Do you have the same problem? Is there > > another/more recent version available (I don't think so)? Are you aware > > of rumors that Spy vs. Spy will be rereleased, on Tzadik maybe?! > > > > thanks, albrecht > > > > - > > > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:23:14 +0100 From: Brian Hickey Subject: Re: spy vs. spy The base is low in the mix alright but on my copy it does have a presence. Of course, the main emphasis is on the two saxophones . . . > From: Clint Enns > Organization: @Home Network > Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 01:18:06 -0700 > To: Brian Hickey > Cc: Albrecht Koschnik , zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: spy vs. spy > > Mine sucked too...there is no bass in the mix.......however it is > outstanding otherwise. > > > Brian Hickey wrote: >> >> I bought Spy vs Spy on CD a few years ago. The sound quality is excellent. I >> haven't heard anything about a rerelease . . . >> >>> From: Albrecht Koschnik >>> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 02:01:10 -0400 (EDT) >>> To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >>> Subject: spy vs. spy >>> >>> Zornsters, >>> >>> I recently bought a used copy of Spy vs. Spy (on Elektra Musician)--and >>> the sound quality is awful!!! Do you have the same problem? Is there >>> another/more recent version available (I don't think so)? Are you aware >>> of rumors that Spy vs. Spy will be rereleased, on Tzadik maybe?! >>> >>> thanks, albrecht >>> >>> - >>> >> >> - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:20:01 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Efr=E9n=20del=20Valle?= Subject: Fwd: Attack of the Clones (non Zorn) Hi! I'll go tomorrow. Glad to read that it's worth the excitement. The Phantom Menace was an enormous piece of shit, IMHO. Best, Efrén del Valle n.p: Tortoise "TNT" > > I know its off subject but I just wanted to tell > everyone that I thought > Attack of the Clones was as good as any of the > original Star Wars films if > not the best. It will take more viewings to see how > it compares. I hated > Phantom Menace and I think this film made up for it. > If anyone has seen > ATOC, please share your thoughts. > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente. http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:37:51 -0500 From: "Zachary Steiner" Subject: RE: spy vs. spy I always thought that the sound quality was intentional, for some reason. They were going for an effect with the album. It does not sound as good as his other Elektra albums from the period. Was this intentional? What was the effect? Zach - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Albrecht Koschnik Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:01 AM To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: spy vs. spy Zornsters, I recently bought a used copy of Spy vs. Spy (on Elektra Musician)--and the sound quality is awful!!! Do you have the same problem? Is there another/more recent version available (I don't think so)? Are you aware of rumors that Spy vs. Spy will be rereleased, on Tzadik maybe?! thanks, albrecht - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 06:18:44 -0700 From: Tosh Subject: RE: spy vs. spy If I remember correctly we had this rather long session on the merits of Coleman (who I like), but there was also discussion on the 'sound' of 'Spy vs. Spy.' It seems like Zorn wanted to make it very rough sounding or ...I can't think of the termology but it seems like the recording was/is tended to sound raw. - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:42:09 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Leo Ornstein? (and Reich, too) Turn of the 20th century American modernist. Start with the piano music, which was considered very radical at the time (though it hardly sounds that way now). And, by the way, in answer to an older question of yours, Cantaloupe is recording Bradley Lubman and the excellent Eastman School-based ensemble Alarm Will Sound in Reich's 'Tehellim' and 'The Desert Music.' Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Derek Bailey and Susie Ibarra, "No Dark," 'Bids' (Incus) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:45:07 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: waits - alice Is the "evil twin" 'Blood Money' the one that's based on Buechner's 'Woyceck'? If so, it's coming to the Brooklyn Academy of Music this fall as part of the Next Wave Festival. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Derek Bailey and Susie Ibarra, "No Dark," 'Bids' (Incus) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of RainDog138@aol.com yes tom waits "alice" is based on Alice Liddel. Lewis Carrol's writings "Alice in Wonderland" and "Through The Looking Glass" The Anti.com website has all kinds of background information on this album and it's evil twin "Blood Money" also check the OfficialTomWaits.com Site and The Tom Waits Supplement at go.to/tomwaits.com take care, - -mt - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:51:54 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Attack of the Clones (non Zorn) I don't know if I liked it more than the middle trilogy... I'd like to see it again to be sure... but story-wise it blows 'Phantom Menace' out of the galaxy, and visially most of it completely overwhelms what was available to Lucas in the '70s and '80s. The spoken dialogue is still more wooden than George Washington's teeth and some of the CGI looks artificial (I'd say the same of the much-ballyhooed 'Spider-Man'), but there was only one thing in 'Clones' that just made me slap my head and groan (I won't say what until more people get a chance to see it), there's some fine character motivation (Boba Fett starts here) and some of the foreshadowing of future events is extremely skillfully done. Plus, Yoda finally kicks some major assteroid. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Derek Bailey and Susie Ibarra, "No Dark," 'Bids' (Incus) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of SonataPathetique@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 4:10 AM To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Attack of the Clones (non Zorn) I know its off subject but I just wanted to tell everyone that I thought Attack of the Clones was as good as any of the original Star Wars films if not the best. It will take more viewings to see how it compares. I hated Phantom Menace and I think this film made up for it. If anyone has seen ATOC, please share your thoughts. - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 06:55:15 -0700 From: Tosh Subject: RE: waits - alice >And speaking of Alice, I strongly recommend readers to go out and >buy, borrow the Annotated Alice. I just recently read the annotated >version and it was a great joy to dip into that world. Carroll( I >think) was a genius! > > >- - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:03:54 EDT From: RainDog138@aol.com Subject: Re: waits - alice (now blood money) yes "blood money" is based on Woyceck. It is probably the more experimental of the two albums - a bit more like "black rider/bone machine" type material. unfortunately not any real new ground for mr. waits, but hey if your great why not keep doing great things? i love both albums - to be honest i love everything i've ever heard waits do and i have almost everything. including the alice demos which are a bit more raw and have an appeal all thier own (check audio galaxy for mp3's - most are up on there). these songs were written years ago and rumor has it the demo versions were stolen from his car. only to later be circulated as a bootleg and earning the reputation as "wait's lost masterpiece" In fact- I heard that a fan just recently gave him a copy of the demos and that is what prompted the re-recording of these songs and the release of the album. - -mt - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #907 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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