From: "Mary Ho" Subject: ribot on sessions Date: 02 Feb 1999 05:11:40 PST Did anyone catch Marc Ribot playing backup for Chocolate Genius this past weekend on Sessions at West 54th? I only caught the last tune and he played this execellent guitar solo. Anyways, who is this Chocolate Genuis?? Does anyone know who else played with Ribot in the back up band. I didnt recognize anyone else. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: ikue mori Date: 02 Feb 1999 10:47:44 -0500 is ikue mori playing tonight at flea theater? zorn and the masada quartet were incredible at the Roulette benefit Saturday. 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Chocolate Genius is a native New Yorker by the name of Mark= Anthony Thomas. He's signed to V2 Records (who happen to be a client at my= job). His debut album is called "Black Music" and features Ribot on guitar,= Chris Wood on bass, John Medeski on hammond and I don't recall the= drummer's name...=20 If you want to get more info you can check out his web site at http://www.cn= otes.com/cnotes.artists/chocolategenius.html I like the album a lot. Very different from most of the Downtown NYC= scene... a lot more commercially viable, but there are some great tunes.= I've seen CG live a number of times and the lineup has been different each= time. Usually he has the drummer from Ween in a live situation, although he= did not last night. The only person besides Ribot that I recognized last= night was Oren Bloedow on bass. Oren actually played guitar in Ribot's= place when I last saw the band at Tonic in NYC.=20 Greg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blind Subject: Re: Zorn Digest V2 #581 Re : 'Free form' Date: 02 Feb 1999 20:59:40 +0200 "Free form" : sometimes called 'noise' and non-structural because it'd be difficult to find structure in the only piece itself but maybe in the whole bunch of works.... The musician can be free of anything but of his own history - as a listener, player, composer and improviser, the more complicated and freely treated it is, the more his music is flux, an individual process continually complementing itself. That may be called 'structure' and also the individuality of every musician. And talking about scripting, what do you think of Braxton's schemes? (I don't know if there is some stuff written about these so maybe anyone can clue me?) > I only bring up that it's highly structured noise because so many untrained listeners just lump it as "noise" and dismiss stuff like that as pure garbage, people just goofing off, when it's as structured and difficult (or more difficult) as the average Beethoven sonata. > he told us they only let him play on three songs so far, because that's all he had learned at that point. The idea being, here's this disc (I was totally into Soul Discharge at the time) that was so fucking wacked, and yet, it was sculptured enough that even this avant leaning, and I assume technically able, guitarist couldn't just pick up and play along. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: ikue mori/masada Date: 02 Feb 1999 14:05:13 -0300 >zorn and the masada quartet were incredible at the Roulette benefit >Saturday. It would be great to read any comments on that show. By the way, is that true any masada cds are out of print? Hugo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "M. pathos" Subject: Re: ribot on sessions Date: 02 Feb 1999 17:25:12 PST Chocolate Genius' record Black Music features Marc Ribot on guitar. The Genius seems wordy to me, a condition exacerbated by his tendency not to enunciate his consonants. The songs get sort of samey after about the tenth, but individually they're of high quality. For this genre, I'd highly recommend Palace Music's Viva Last Blues over it. >Did anyone catch Marc Ribot playing backup for Chocolate Genius this >past weekend on Sessions at West 54th? I only caught the last tune and >he played this execellent guitar solo. Anyways, who is this Chocolate >Genuis?? Does anyone know who else played with Ribot in the back up >band. I didnt recognize anyone else. > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: little shopping tip update Date: 02 Feb 1999 19:32:17 -0800 Somewhat OT, but some of you might be interested: A week or so ago someone was asking about where to get good prices on import Zorn discs, and I (thoughtlessly) posted about how the prices seemed to be the lowest on http://www.everycd.com, even though I hadn't even made a single order from them. Then Eric Saidel (sp?) added to my caveats with his experience with bad customer service and high shipping rates -- alas, this was *after* I had managed to navigate their clogged website and place an order. (I had already paid the "membership fee," which really is only worth it if you buy a lot.) What was pretty fishy about their website was that you can choose your delivery options (regular mail, UPS, etc.), but that the unwritten shipping rates aren't added to your subtotal (with a message at the end saying something to the effect that their server is currently not yet set up to add in shipping rates -- a bad sign). However, after much anxious waiting, the CDs arrived a week after I placed my order; they had billed me $3.50 (whew) for shipping. So I managed to snag Masada 2 for $13.08 and Keiji Haino's "An Unclear Trial: More Than This" (with Greg Cohen and Joey Baron!!!) for $15.82 -- not too bad. (The one casualty was Naked City's "Radio," which was out of stock.) Please don't scold me about not patronizing indie stores (because I do too)... Later, Ben np: current 93, "in a foreign town, in a foreign land" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/ ICQ# 12832406 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: ribot on sessions Date: 02 Feb 1999 23:00:56 -0500 Mary Ho wrote: > > Did anyone catch Marc Ribot playing backup for Chocolate Genius this > past weekend on Sessions at West 54th? I only caught the last tune and > he played this execellent guitar solo. So that *was* Ribot. I was wondering about that. Anyways, who is this Chocolate > Genuis?? Does anyone know who else played with Ribot in the back up > band. I didnt recognize anyone else. The woman playing the cello appeared with the Lounge Lizards on Sessions (now required viewing at our house) a few weeks back. Don't know her name. --Mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: ribot on sessions Date: 03 Feb 1999 00:35:38 -0500 Mike Chamberlain wrote: > > Does anyone know who else played with Ribot in the back up > > band. I didnt recognize anyone else. > > The woman playing the cello appeared with the Lounge Lizards on > Sessions (now required viewing at our house) a few weeks back. Don't > know her name. The ever-delectable Jane Scarpantoni. She was sitting next to Eyvind Kang on SNL with Beck's backing band a few weeks ago as well. Sorry I missed the Lizards broadcast. I was at that taping. An odd time was had by all. Lurie mumbled at one point, "I feel like I'm playing in an airport. Did you all at least get peanuts?" I didn't recognize the others aside from Jane and Marc, and I had the sound turned off while on a phone conversation, so I'd only assumed it was Chocolate Genius from hearsay... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Meshuggah, "Ritual," _None_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: little shopping tip update Date: 03 Feb 1999 16:44:03 +1100 > Somewhat OT, but some of you might be interested: A week or so ago someone > was asking about where to get good prices on import Zorn discs, and I > (thoughtlessly) posted about how the prices seemed to be the lowest on > http://www.everycd.com, even though I hadn't even made a single order from > them. Then Eric Saidel (sp?) added to my caveats with his experience with > bad customer service and high shipping rates -- alas, this was *after* I had > managed to navigate their clogged website and place an order. (I had already > paid the "membership fee," which really is only worth it if you buy a lot.) I ordered with them about a year ago and I don't know whether this is still possible, but I de-membered myself right after the order and hence didn't pay a fee. I guess this means I can't really order from them again though. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: Re: ribot on sessions Date: 03 Feb 1999 01:07:26 EST In a message dated 2/3/99 12:39:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: > The ever-delectable Jane Scarpantoni. she played on a helmet song "like i care". apparently she had a lotta fun on the session - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dan.girellini@audiophile.com Subject: Re: little shopping tip update Date: 03 Feb 1999 01:07:42 -0500 (EST) -- "J" == Julian writes: J> I ordered with them about a year ago and I don't know whether this is still J> possible, but I de-membered myself right after the order and hence didn't J> pay a fee. I guess this means I can't really order from them again though. that's not the only thing you can't do after de-membering yourself. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard@rcvs.org.uk Subject: Braxton Date: 03 Feb 1999 10:07:11 -0000 > And talking > about scripting, what do you think of Braxton's schemes? (I don't know if > there is some stuff written about these so maybe anyone can clue me?) There are two serious Braxton books I'm aware of, only one of which deals in detail with the notation, musical concepts etc. I con't remember any of the info (was it just "The Music of Anthony Braxton"?) but I *do* remember it was pretty enlightening. It was one of a series about American composers, which in itself probably pleased Brax no end. The drawback was that the author was completely uncritical; everything Braxton said about his music was taken at face value. While that's a fair position to take when it comes to technical matters, it's not too helpful when AB comes over all misty-eyed and starts talking spirituality. I thought he was being ironic with all that yogic stuff about reaching other planes of existence etc, and all the pseudo-academic waffle in his sleeve notes. Apparently it was dead serious. Richard Cochrane Visit (musings), a resource for free jazz, experimental and otherwise non-standard musics: http://come.to/musings.com ...now with its own mailing list, musings-l - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Braxton Date: 03 Feb 1999 08:26:41 -0600 (CST) On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 Richard@rcvs.org.uk wrote: > There are two serious Braxton books I'm aware of, only one of > which deals in detail with the notation, musical concepts etc. I I have five books on Braxton, all of them pretty good (though I only really grokked what his stuff was about when I got the Willisau CD set and its excellent liner notes). Graham Lock, "Forces in Motion" Richard Radano, "New Musical Figurations : Anthony Braxton's Cultural Critique" Mike Heffley, "The Music of Anthony Braxton" Alun Ford, "Anthony Braxton: Creative Music Continuums" (and... uh... one other) The Lock is probably where to start for an overview. The Heffley is more musically detailed and a denser read, from what I recall. - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: little shopping tip update Date: 03 Feb 1999 11:19:10 -0500 (EST) Julian: I hope you really didn't "de-member" yourself or you'll be doing a lot less than not ordering from CD bargain houses. No CD is worth that. :) Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Julian wrote > > I ordered with them about a year ago and I don't know whether this is still > possible, but I de-membered myself right after the order and hence didn't > pay a fee. I guess this means I can't really order from them again though. > > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard@rcvs.org.uk Subject: Re: Braxton Date: 03 Feb 1999 15:52:02 -0000 > I have five books on Braxton, all of them pretty good (though I only > really grokked what his stuff was about when I got the Willisau CD set and > its excellent liner notes). Thanks for the references -- some stuff I clearly didn't know here. This is the one I was thinking of: > Mike Heffley, "The Music of Anthony Braxton" Which is the Willisau set? His albums all have such unmemorable titles -- which I like, but I never know which ones I've heard and which I haven't.  ATB, Richard Cochrane Visit (musings), a resource for free jazz, experimental and otherwise non-standard musics: http://come.to/musings.com ...now with its own mailing list, musings-l - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: R: Braxton Date: 03 Feb 1999 18:10:47 +0100 > And talking > about scripting, what do you think of Braxton's schemes? (I don't know if > there is some stuff written about these so maybe anyone can clue me?) After Forces In Motion, the book by Graham Lock dedicated to the music of Anthony Braxton and based on several hours of interviews taped during the 1985 english tour of the Braxton quartet, other volumes appeared. They are: A.B. Sein Leben, Seine Musik, Seine Schallplatten, 1993, by Peter N. Wilson New Musical Figurations, Anthony Braxton’s Cultural Critique, 1994, by Ronald M. Radano Mixtery, A Festschrift for Anthony Braxton, edited by Graham Lock Anthony Braxton Music, by Mike Heffley Anthony Braxton Creative Music Continuums, by Alun Ford - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: R: Braxton Date: 03 Feb 1999 12:31:49 -0600 (CST) On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Francesco Martinelli wrote: > After Forces In Motion, the book by Graham Lock dedicated to the music of > Anthony Braxton and based on several hours of interviews taped during the > 1985 english tour of the Braxton quartet, other volumes appeared. They ar= e: > A.B. Sein Leben, Seine Musik, Seine Schallplatten, 1993, by Peter N. Wils= on > New Musical Figurations, Anthony Braxton=92s Cultural Critique, 1994, by > Ronald M. Radano > Mixtery, A Festschrift for Anthony Braxton, edited by Graham Lock > Anthony Braxton Music, by Mike Heffley > Anthony Braxton Creative Music Continuums, by Alun Ford Ah, right... I had forgetten Mixtery, which has a lot of good information in it. I'm not familiar with the Wilson. Is it available in English? Is it worth deploying my high-school German class recall to plow through it? - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D jzitt@humansystems.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hum= an Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? =3D <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> =3D ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Comma: Voices of New M= usic \| - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Akchote Recommendations Date: 03 Feb 1999 14:10:44 -0500 Belatedly just got around to picking up 'Lust Corner' (W&W w/Akchote, Ribot and Chadbourne) and enjoy it quite a bit. What other Akchote releases would folk here recommend? Also bought the Koch re-releases of those two great AEC recordings, 'Bap-Tizum' and 'Fanfare for the Warriors'; found 'em for several dollars less than the Atlantic re-issues. Plus, the Atlantic's don't, I assume, contain Steve's excellent liner notes, right? Nice job Steve! But what's with that little blurp of 'Unanka' at the end of the 'Bap-Tizum' disc? Now if we can only get 'Les Stances a Sophie' and 'People in Sorrow' discafied.... Brian Olewnick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: Akchote Recommendations Date: 03 Feb 1999 13:26:10 -0600 Speaking of the 'Lust Corner' disc... I happen to really enjoy the last cut, "Dirt," that Chadbourne tune. I was wondering, what, in his extensive catalog, would be a Chadbourne album that would have similar songs to Dirt? Any help in this direction would be...helpful. Thanks, Dan Hewins Sorry, Brian, I can't really recommend anything... the only other thing I know that has Noel on it is the Evan Parker disc of a name that escapes me now. At 2:10 PM -0500 2/3/99, brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote: > Belatedly just got around to picking up 'Lust Corner' (W&W w/Akchote, > Ribot and Chadbourne) and enjoy it quite a bit. What other Akchote > releases would folk here recommend? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Akchote Recommendations Date: 03 Feb 1999 14:47:58 EST In a message dated 2/3/99 2:31:07 PM, hewins@synsolutions.com writes: << Sorry, Brian, I can't really recommend anything... the only other thing I know that has Noel on it is the Evan Parker disc of a name that escapes me now. >> there are two of those. one is Somewhere Bi-Lingual, on Siesta. it's a quartet record with Noel, Parker, Mark Sanders and Paul Rogers. this one's very good if you can find it. the one I really like, though, is Live at Les Instants Chavires, on Leo. I've raved about this one here before so I'll just say that I think it's Parker's most accomplished electroacoustic record yet. most of Akchote's stuff is vinyl-only, on the French label Rectangle. Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: Akchote Recommendations Date: 02 Feb 1999 18:20:01 -0500 brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote: > Belatedly just got around to picking up 'Lust Corner' (W&W w/Akchote, > Ribot and Chadbourne) and enjoy it quite a bit. What other Akchote > releases would folk here recommend? The duet with Bailey 'Close To The Kitchen' on Rectangle is very good and I'd also second Jon Abbey's rec for Parker's 'Live at Les Instants Chavires'. I believe Akchote has a side-long solo LP on Rectangle though I haven't heard or seen it... > Also bought the Koch re-releases of those two great AEC recordings, > 'Bap-Tizum' and 'Fanfare for the Warriors'; found 'em for several > dollars less than the Atlantic re-issues. What's the scoop with these separate re-issues?? I got both those Koch discs too and got really excited when I saw Steve's notes! I found 'Chi Congo' second-hand today and picked it up (though haven't listened to it yet). Why have I never heard of this record before and why is it on Paula?? -Tom Pratt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: bobby previte show Date: 04 Feb 1999 14:35:46 +1100 I saw the Bobby Previte "Bitches Brew" project last night at the Basement in Sydney. I guess this goes without saying, but Bobby's playing was absolutely brilliant, and his conducting of the ensemble was fun to watch too. All the musicians involved were competent, and for the most part the pieces were played interestingly and musically. The pieces they played were: John McLaughlin Bitches Brew Pharaoh's Dance In A Silent Way And these 4 pieces went for about 140 minutes! Julian. http://www.hartingdale.com.au/~jcurwin/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Art Ensemble on Koch [was Akchote recommendations] Date: 04 Feb 1999 03:04:28 -0500 Tom Pratt wrote: > brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote: > > > Also bought the Koch re-releases of those two great AEC recordings, > > 'Bap-Tizum' and 'Fanfare for the Warriors'; found 'em for several > > dollars less than the Atlantic re-issues. > > What's the scoop with these separate re-issues?? I got both those Koch discs > too and got really excited when I saw Steve's notes! Blush... thanks! It was a special honor to get to write those notes, given my massive love for the Art Ensemble. That's why I'd like to state, for the record and in front of everybody, that I made a MASSIVELY STUPID AND OBVIOUS FACTUAL ERROR in the notes to "Fanfare for the Warriors." I figure there are plenty of sharp folks out there who will pick up on this but might be too polite to mention it knowing I'm here, so I might as well lay it on the line, and I also don't want anybody to be misled by my *truly inexplicable* brain fart: In my notes I stated that "Fanfare for the Warriors," featuring Muhal Richard Abrams, was the first AEOC disc to include a non-member guest musician. In the words of Homer Simpson, "DOH!!!!!!!!!!" You see, I *knew* of at least three earlier records that used non-member guests (I don't count the material in the Nessa box, preferring to treat all musicians on those sessions as provisional members in the early days). In no particular order, these were: "Les Stances a Sophie" (Fontella Bass) "Certain Blacks" (Chicago Beau and Julio Finn) and, all together now... "The Art Ensemble of Chicago with Fontella Bass"!!!!!!! I also later learned that the incredibly rare "Go Home" (which I purchased on a CD of dubious legality in Boston last July) featured not just a guest or two but an entire wind ensemble on one track. That one, perhaps, was obscure enough to be forgivable. But the two records with Bass, especially "Les Stances" (one of my own favorite records!), are too canonical to be so easily forgiven. And I knew of all of these records BEFORE writing the notes for the Koch reissues. It's a nightmare! Someone tried to talk me off the ledge by saying that the guests on the three above listed records are all singers (and therefore not "musicians," was I to surmise?), but I remain unconsolable and contrite. It's one reason why any writer ought to pray for a knowledgeable proofreader, something that wasn't available in this particular case. That bit aside, I remain fairly proud of those notes - my first non-classical music note writing gig! - in general, especially the perhaps-obvious-but-nonetheless-cute "Tourette's-de-force" bit regarding Bowie's solo on "Ohnedaruth" on "Bap-Tizum," and thank you and Brian for mentioning them. As for why there were reissues from both Atlantic and Koch, the Atlantic reissues were produced by the French branch of Atlantic and were never intended for import into the U.S. Koch had been assured exclusive rights by the American branch of Atlantic, but that's seldom if ever stopped Tower from bringing the imports in anyway. (Koch had the same problem with Tower when they were licensing DIW releases for domestic issue prior to distributing the label altogether.) Anyway, my notes are not the true benefit of the Koch versions, the HDCD remastering is. > I found 'Chi Congo' second-hand today and picked it up (though haven't listened > to it yet). Why have I never heard of this record before and why is it on > Paula?? I'm jealous... that's one of those incredibly rare AEOC records that I once had my hands on in a store, only to set it aside to purchase later, and we all know how that scenario always plays out... I'd only heard of it because John Swenson's old Rolling Stone Jazz Record Guide listed it (and "Certain Blacks," too). Why it's on Paula is anybody's guess... I don't know of anything else on that label. I think Rick Lopez recently pointed me towards a copy on auction, but it was too pricy for my ways and means at the moment. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Meshuggah, "The Exquisite Machinery of Torture," _Chaosphere_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mkkgokieli@excite.com Subject: Re: bobby previte show Date: 04 Feb 1999 01:42:50 PST On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:35:46 +1100, Julian wrote: > I saw the Bobby Previte "Bitches Brew" project last night at the Basement > in Sydney. who played with him? Do they plan any tours in Europe? I' sure they don't... (BTW nice to be back here) Marcin Gokieli mkkgokieli@mailexcite.com _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: Previte Date: 04 Feb 1999 11:08:45 GMT0BST Is Previte's "Bitches Brew" band the same as his "Horse" or "Horses"? Sean Wilkie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard@rcvs.org.uk Subject: Braxton Date: 04 Feb 1999 11:18:53 -0000 > After Forces In Motion, the book by Graham Lock dedicated to the music of > Anthony Braxton and based on several hours of interviews taped during the > 1985 english tour of the Braxton quartet This tour is documented on a series of Leo double CDs. I've only got one of them, but it's excellent. On of the sets also includes an interview with AB -- does anybody have this? Rich - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: Art Ensemble on Koch [was Akchote recommendations] Date: 04 Feb 1999 09:59:54 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Steve Smith wrote: > I'm jealous... that's one of those incredibly rare AEOC records that I > once had my hands on in a store, only to set it aside to purchase > later, and we all know how that scenario always plays out... I'd only > heard of it because John Swenson's old Rolling Stone Jazz Record Guide > listed it (and "Certain Blacks," too). I think Rick Lopez recently > pointed me towards a copy on auction, but it was too pricy for my ways > and means at the moment. is it really that rare? i bought a copy recently for $10 at a store which is pretty notorious for inflated/collector's prices. it's a good record though - very percussive. can anyone talk about roscoe mitchell's "sounds"? how does it compare to other aeoc records from the same period, like "congliptous" and "people in sorrow"? b - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Re[2]: Art Ensemble on Koch [was Akchote recommendations] Date: 04 Feb 1999 10:13:04 -0500 >can anyone talk about roscoe mitchell's "sounds"? how does it compare >to other aeoc records from the same period, like "congliptous" and >"people in sorrow"? 'Sound' (no "s") is, IMHO, a pretty great record, if not quite up to the stellar levels of 'Congliptious' and 'People in Sorrow' (few things are). If only for historical reasons, it shows where RM was in 1966, which is to say way, way ahead of most everyone else. Along with Jarman's 'Song For', it's definitely one to pick up. Incidentally, I have both of these on those Goody releases from the early 70's with the day-glo covers. From the same series, I also have Clifford Thornton's excellent 'Freedom and Unity' which features, among other things, Joe McPhee's (I'm pretty sure) first recorded work; has this been issued on disc anywhere? Brian Olewnick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Caulfield Bivins Subject: Akchote/AEC Date: 04 Feb 1999 11:07:51 -0500 (EST) I'm just getting into Noel A. myself, but there's some pretty good stuff on the latest Sam Rivers disc "Configurations," which is on the French Pelican label (if memory serves). Some of the album borders on un-Rivers-like schlock (actually these are the tunes written by pianist Tony Hymas), but there's some fierce improv as well. And hey Steve: I was a yutz and picked up the Atlantic reissues in Chicago, but I'd love to check out your liners. Any chance you could forward me a copy through email? Jason Bivins - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: bobby previte show Date: 04 Feb 1999 10:45:41 -0400 >On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:35:46 +1100, Julian wrote: > >> I saw the Bobby Previte "Bitches Brew" project last night at the Basement >> in Sydney. >who played with him? >Do they plan any tours in Europe? I' sure they don't... >(BTW nice to be back here) The group is actually called "Bobby Previte's 'Horse' " I believe, so be on the lookout! Good place to check for tour dates is http://www.tzadik.com under "news and notes." Click on Bobby's name... they list international dates. Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: Shepp! Date: 03 Feb 1999 11:03:42 -0500 I hear Archie Shepp is playing gigs in Chicago with trumpet cheeseman Mark Isham (sp?)... What's going on with this? -Tom Pratt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Shepp! Date: 04 Feb 1999 08:30:36 -0800 On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:03:42 -0500 Tom Pratt wrote: > > I hear Archie Shepp is playing gigs in Chicago with trumpet cheeseman > Mark Isham (sp?)... What's going on with this? Not sure about that. I have seen Mark Isham's name on more and more interesting situations (which makes me paying more attention when I see his name on something -- records or movies). I know that he has this "new age" reputation, but if true, he seems to have been able to get out of it. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: new mike patton project Date: 04 Feb 1999 09:40:12 -0800 A little OT, but the link below talks about Patton's new project, Maldoror, a collaboration with Merzbow (!), and a new Mr. Bungle album out in June. Namechecks the Artist Known as John Zorn, too... http://www1.rocktropolis.com/allstar/database/news/9902/02/story5.asp I think it's spelled "Ipecac," though... Later, Ben - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Hale Subject: Zorn in victo Date: 04 Feb 1999 17:51:21 -0500 Just got the Victoriaville lineup today. JZ is playing with Milford Graves. Other highlights include Peter Brotzmann Tentet, Ivo Perelman with CT String Quartet and Peggy Lee with others from Vancouver. The festival runs May 20-24. You can reach them at fimav@cdcbf.qc.ca James Hale - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TWHY666@aol.com Subject: off subject: new scorn? Date: 04 Feb 1999 17:49:10 EST Anyone heard it yet... anyone have a release date? thanks! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn in victo Date: 04 Feb 1999 18:05:24 EST In a message dated 2/4/99 5:55:35 PM, jhale@sympatico.ca writes: << Just got the Victoriaville lineup today. JZ is playing with Milford Graves. Other highlights include Peter Brotzmann Tentet, Ivo Perelman with CT String Quartet and Peggy Lee with others from Vancouver. The festival runs May 20-24. >> James, would you mind posting the full schedule, or just a list of the acts appearing? the other ones I've heard were going to be there are Gunter Muller/Jim O'Rourke, godspeed you black emperor!, Merzbow, Otomo Yoshihide's ISO project, David Kristian, and some project I can't remember with Thurston Moore and Lee Ranaldo. are those all happening? thanks in advance, Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Hale Subject: Re: Zorn in victo Date: 04 Feb 1999 19:35:28 -0500 JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > James, would you mind posting the full schedule, or just a list of the acts > appearing? Peter Brotzmann Tentet Iva Bittova/Vladimir Vaclavek Graves/Zorn Peggy Lee Ensemble Fatima Miranda Maxime Rioux Elliott Sharp/Terraplane/DJ Soulslinger Kampec Dolores Spaceheads Jean-Marc Montera/Michel Doneda/Erik M Klaxon Gueule David Kristian Kathleen Yearwood Hoahio/ISO Godspeed You Black Emperor Dominic Duval/Sook-Yin Lee/John Oswald/David Prentice Paul Plimley Trio Gunter Muller/Jim O'Rourke Le Quan Ninh/Zack Zettel/Atau Tanaka Ivo Perelman/CT String Quartet Annie Gosfield/Roger Kleir Mujician Merzbow Christian Marclay/Thurston Moore/Lee Ranaldo May 20-24... no individual dates available yet. James Hale - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Shepp! Date: 04 Feb 1999 21:35:04 -0500 At 08:30 AM 2/4/99 -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > >Not sure about that. I have seen Mark Isham's name on more and more >interesting situations (which makes me paying more attention when I see >his name on something -- records or movies). > >I know that he has this "new age" reputation, but if true, he seems to >have been able to get out of it. The simple fact of his having a couple of albums on Windham Hill should not discourage anyone from checking out Isham's work, especially the *superb* Clouds about Mercury, a quartet led by David Torn (who also has a Windham Hill album, BTW) plus Bill Bruford and Tony Levin, on ECM. Even his WH albums are several cuts above the genre, although they do concentrate as much on his electronics as his trumpet. A straight jazz date with Archie Shepp sounds excellent! -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Computers are useless; they can only give you answers -- Pablo Picasso - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Meshuggah [was Re: Art Ensemble on Koch] Date: 04 Feb 1999 23:40:37 -0500 Greg Smith wrote: > Steve Smith wrote: > > >NP - Meshuggah, "The Exquisite Machinery of Torture," _Chaosphere_ > > GREAT ALBUM!!!!! New Meshuggah is a masterpiece! Yeah, I've only been living with it for a couple of days but I'm inclined to agree. However, let me ask your opinion... the fan reviews at Amazon.com, while admiring "Chaosphere," nearly unanimously said it was a notch inferior to "Destroy Erase Improve." From that album I've only heard the live, remix and unplugged versions of the song "Future Breed Machine" on the EP "The True Human Design," all of which were impressive. Anyone care to share thoughts on how these two albums compare (not that I've been able to find a copy of "Destroy Erase Improve" anywhere in town)? BTW I'm posting this one message to the entire list for response, but if no one's interested I'd be happy to take it to private correspondence with Greg... Steve Smith smsith36@sprynet.com NP - King Crimson, "Easy Money," _The Mince_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: off subject: new scorn? Date: 04 Feb 1999 23:43:02 -0500 TWHY666@aol.com wrote: > Anyone heard it yet... anyone have a release date? If you mean the new compilation on Invisible Records, the release date was January 26, and I saw it a couple of nights ago in the Virgin Megastore on Union Square in NYC... on a "new releases" endcap in the front of the store, no less! (They also had the three CD "Complete Murder Ballads" set by Harris and Martyn Bates in stock for the price of a single CD...) The following is from the news page on the Invisible Records website (http://www.invisiblerecords.com): ============================================ Scorn - Anamnesis INV-POSS 8005 Anamnesis is the new collection of material - most previously unreleased or taken from limited edition works - from the most influential period of Scorn's existence Gyral, Evanescence, Ellipsis, etc.) In addition to the recently unearthed Peel Sessions, during which period the exploration of low end became synonomous with Scorn, Anamnesis - includes a number of rare tracks that fully illustrate MJ Harris' signature approach to the world of ambient dub. Heralded by the Peel Sessions engineering staff among others for its groundbreaking beat and bass, these sessions provide the listener with the definitive recording of the time; an enhanced presentation that reveals the true intent and identity of Scorn The rediscovery of this matierial prompted MJ Harris to digitally remaster and represent other material from this period to create a complete body of work. ============================================ The news page on the Invisible website also mentions an upcoming domestic release for a Mick Harris drum'n'bass project by the name of Quoit, due on February 23. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - King Crimson, "Fracture" and "Book of Saturday," _The Mince_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: off subject: new scorn? Date: 04 Feb 1999 23:02:08 -0600 (CST) On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Steve Smith wrote: > NP - King Crimson, "Fracture" and "Book of Saturday," _The Mince_ What is _The Mince_? Have I missed another archival release? - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Erik Friedlander's TOPAZ Date: 05 Feb 1999 00:30:16 -0400 I saw the record release party tonight. Very good show! At times, the= material hints to me of that smooth jazz stuff, but those moments are few= and far between. I think it might be the fretless bass, as amazing as Stomu= Takeishi is, there are times when that sound just reminds me of CD 101.9= (aaaaaahhhhh!!!). VERY grooving, great players... much better live than on= the disc. Anyone else see the show? Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah [was Re: Art Ensemble on Koch] Date: 05 Feb 1999 00:28:28 -0400 I've only heard bits and pieces of "Destroy Erase Improve," and never had= the chance to give it a serious listen, but from what I remember it was a= lot more straightforward than "Chaosphere." Great stuff nonetheless, but= for the average Joe Metalhead, it is a lot easier on the palate and not as= challenging to listen to (this is going from what I remember, mind you). I= believe my partner has it... I will try to snag it from him and really get= a grip on it. If you're looking to pick it up, go straight to the source...= you can get it direct from Nuclear Blast for $16 at http://www.nuclearblast= -usa.com/catalogs-html/meshuggah/order.html If you like "Chaosphere," I HIGHLY recommend getting the new Gorguts album,= "Obscura." Don't let the name (Gorguts) scare you off... it is some VERY= intricate, well-thought out and arranged music... like metal approached= from the mind of a classical composer. In the vein of Meshuggah as far as= technical proficiency, but not quite as mathematical. There is a much more= open, flowing feel. Kind of like Zorn's "Aporias" and "Angelus Novus" meet= Deicide.=20 Greg http://www.unchain.com/ -------------------Original Message------------------- >Greg Smith wrote: > >> Steve Smith wrote: >> >> >NP - Meshuggah, "The Exquisite Machinery of Torture," _Chaosphere_ >> >> GREAT ALBUM!!!!! New Meshuggah is a masterpiece! > >Yeah, I've only been living with it for a couple of days but I'm >inclined to agree. However, let me ask your opinion... the fan reviews >at Amazon.com, while admiring "Chaosphere," nearly unanimously said it >was a notch inferior to "Destroy Erase Improve." From that album I've >only heard the live, remix and unplugged versions of the song "Future >Breed Machine" on the EP "The True Human Design," all of which were >impressive. > >Anyone care to share thoughts on how these two albums compare (not that >I've been able to find a copy of "Destroy Erase Improve" anywhere in >town)? BTW I'm posting this one message to the entire list for >response, but if no one's interested I'd be happy to take it to private >correspondence with Greg... > >Steve Smith >smsith36@sprynet.com >NP - King Crimson, "Easy Money," _The Mince_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Previte Date: 05 Feb 1999 17:25:01 +1100 > Is Previte's "Bitches Brew" band the same as his "Horse" or "Horses"? It is not actually the Horse as others have been saying. It is the same music, but with a focus on Bitches Brew. On this tour to Australia (I don't know whether he is going anywhere else with this at the moment) he got in touch with SIMA (Sydney Improvised Music Association or something) and they found him basically the best musicians for the job that they could (very close to the instrumentation on Bitches Brew). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Isham! [was Re: Shepp!] Date: 05 Feb 1999 02:07:21 -0500 Mark Isham's next CD for Columbia, dubbed "The Silent Way Project," is made up of electric-period Miles Davis tunes, from "In a Silent Way" onward (and also a couple of originals and earlier-period tunes like "Milestones") with a quintet including neo-prog-rock drummer Michael Barsimanto and former Group 87 bandmate Peter Maunu on guitar. And Mark plays the material awfully well, and employs his Harmon mute wisely. Which doesn't necessarily imply that I endorse it. For more information, check out http://www.isham.com -- as a matter of fact, L. Ron Hubbard says... NO! (gurp, wretch, yelp, nyechh) no, no, no, look away, look away!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Erik Friedlander's TOPAZ Date: 05 Feb 1999 03:42:25 -0500 Greg Smith wrote: > I saw the record release party tonight. Very good show! [snip] > Anyone else see the show? Well, yeah, me. My general feeling was that I'd had Friedlander's Topaz figured all wrong, and this having never even heard them. I'd simply read some lazy journalists' prose dubbing this as Erik's "Miles-influenced" electric project. Like hell. I found this to be a really swell worldfusion band, in the same continuum that ranges at least from Shakti to Pachora. At times I was amazed at how the alto sax and cello could sound like the same instrument (with my eyes were closed, I sometimes couldn't tell Andy Laster and Erik apart). At other times, when Friedlander and Laster played the same notes in different octaves, the two combined sounded like an accordion played by a single player. And on an inspired cover of Julius Hemphill's "Skin 2," it seemed fairly ingenius to have the cello play the bass line while the electric bassist played the melody in unison with the alto sax player... Aside from that, bassist Stomu Takeishi played impossible stuff on (fretted but sounding fretless) electric bass, as only he can. Percussionist Slatoshi Takeishi played a great deal of music on a few hand drums, a few frame drums and a few brake drums, sitting on the floor all the while. He made me want to take tabla lessons right away. Didn't have enough scratch on the way out the door to buy Erik's Topaz disc (see http://www.siamrecords.com). The journalist with whom I'm exiting Tonic asks "you still pay *money* for new discs?" Yes, I'm afraid I do, and at the moment can't even comment online... ;-P - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: Fred Hopkins & Rahsaan/Naked City Date: 05 Feb 1999 10:12:38 GMT0BST This may be old news to some or all of you, but I just saw an obituary for Fred Hopkins in today's newspaper. Apparently, he passed away on 7 January, of heart disease. Very sad. He was a monster of the bass, and though I'm very glad I did get to see him once, with David Murray and Andrew Cyrille, I wish I'd had more opportunities. On a completely different note, does anyone else have the big Mercury collected Roland Kirk recordings? Listening to parts of it the other night, I was struck by the way in which a short twenty second piece called Ad Lib prefigures the Torture Garden (Guignol / middle of first album) compositions of Naked City. I don't suppose it's a direct influence, but I swear that Naked City could have covered it - (and I'm tempted to trawl for a specific piece that resembles it! Heh!) Sean Wilkie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: caine trio Date: 05 Feb 1999 23:31:12 +1100 CDnow has a cd listed by "Uri Caine Trio" called "Blue Wail" (on Winter & Winter). Does anyone know what this trio is? Julian. http://www.hartingdale.com.au/~jcurwin/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Douglas Clarke" Subject: When will zorn come to Europe? Date: 05 Feb 1999 05:58:29 PST I'm living in Colonge, Germany for the year, and I was wondering if and when John Zorn, or any other interesting artists, are coming to Europe. I'm here until August, so if you know of any European shows between now and then, let me know. Thanks, Douglas Clarke dugc@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shep@globetrotter.net Subject: Re: Meshuggah [was Re: Art Ensemble on Koch] Date: 05 Feb 1999 09:59:21 -0500 Date sent: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 23:40:37 -0500 Copies to: Zornlist > Greg Smith wrote: > > > Steve Smith wrote: > > > > >NP - Meshuggah, "The Exquisite Machinery of Torture," _Chaosphere_ > > > > GREAT ALBUM!!!!! New Meshuggah is a masterpiece! > > Yeah, I've only been living with it for a couple of days but I'm > inclined to agree. However, let me ask your opinion... the fan reviews > at Amazon.com, while admiring "Chaosphere," nearly unanimously said it > was a notch inferior to "Destroy Erase Improve." Okay, you've got my attention...what does Meshuggah sound like, generally speaking? I'm fairly well-versed in Zorn stuff, so comparisions to any of his projects would be good (and bring this thread back on-topic as well!) -------- Matthew Shepherd shep@globetrotter.net Now done the apartment renovation job, I embark on a new career as a pert-time reporter for the local English-language newspaper. No, really. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Previte Date: 05 Feb 1999 10:15:34 -0400 >> Is Previte's "Bitches Brew" band the same as his "Horse" or "Horses"? > >It is not actually the Horse as others have been saying. It is the same >music, but with a focus on Bitches Brew. On this tour to Australia (I don't >know whether he is going anywhere else with this at the moment) he got in >touch with SIMA (Sydney Improvised Music Association or something) and they >found him basically the best musicians for the job that they could (very >close to the instrumentation on Bitches Brew). Sorry if I was mistaken... I have seen Horse do Pharaoh's Dance a few times and made the assumption based on that... Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah [was Re: Art Ensemble on Koch] Date: 05 Feb 1999 10:32:39 -0400 >Okay, you've got my attention...what does Meshuggah sound like,=20 >generally speaking? I'm fairly well-versed in Zorn stuff, so=20 >comparisions to any of his projects would be good (and bring this=20 >thread back on-topic as well!) If I had to compare, closest to Painkiller and Naked City with a touch of= Spy vs. Spy, but much more "metal" than each of the aforementioned= projects. Meshuggah is VERY heavy and aggressive... tight like Naked City,= all-out ugliness like Painkiller (for the most part). Very wild and varied= use of time signatures. There are MP3s from the new album at http://www.mes= huggah.net/audio/chaosphere/ or, if you want, I'll make you a real audio= file of a piece of a song. Let me know. I can send it to you or the whole= list, unless anyone does not want to hear it. Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Fred Hopkins memorial concert Date: 05 Feb 1999 11:14:24 -0500 This is happening at City College (133rd Street, Manhattan) on the 19th. So far, Muhal Richard Abrams, Lester Bowie, World Saxphone Quartet and Wilbur Morris are signed up for this. There's a lot more on the bill but I can't remember who else is performing right now. When I get a hold of the flyer again, I'll post the info. Anyone else who has this info is welcome to beat me to the punch and post it to the list. Best, J -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Dave Douglas - Strings Date: 05 Feb 1999 11:29:37 -0400 Last I had heard (from Dave Douglas himself), the new "Strings" disc was supposed to come out in November of '98. Anyone know when it may see the light of day? Greg http://www.unchain.com/ (currently down, blast it) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Erik Friedlander's TOPAZ Date: 05 Feb 1999 11:23:30 -0400 Steve Smith wrote: >And on an inspired cover of Julius Hemphill's "Skin 2," it=20 >seemed fairly ingenius to have the cello play the bass line=20 >while the electric bassist played the melody in unison with the alto sax pl= ayer... "Skin 2" was INSANE!! Incredible arrangement!! I agree with you 100% on that= one... there were a few moments throughout the night when Laster and Stomu= shared a melody... another example was the very haunting "Windigo" which,= unfortunately, is not on the album. >Aside from that, bassist Stomu Takeishi played impossible stuff=20 >on (fretted but sounding fretless) electric bass, as only he can. =20 Stomu was actually playing a fretless bass, but it has fret marks on it...= they aren't raised though. His playing was (is) very inventive, very= beautiful.=20 >Didn't have enough scratch on the way out the door to buy Erik's Topaz disc= =20 >(see http://www.siamrecords.com). The journalist with whom I'm exiting=20 >Tonic asks "you still pay *money* for new discs?" I usually do as well. Any stuff from the downtown scene, anyway... I get all= my metal needs, like the new Meshuggah, for free. Topaz was the first= exception (besides a few discs during my stint as an intern at KFR). Siam= may be a new client at the good ol' job, so we got the discography. Around= a month and a half ago I was at the office and on top of the CD player sat= the Topaz disc! I hadn't made the Siam connection until I actually saw the= album, then put two and two together. I had been looking forward to it for= ages and knew it wasn't suppposed to be out until Feb... needless to say, I= was ecstatic to get a copy and took it home with me that very day. Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Dave Douglas - Strings Date: 05 Feb 1999 10:09:18 -0800 On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:29:37 -0400 Greg Smith wrote: > > Last I had heard (from Dave Douglas himself), the new "Strings" disc was supposed to come out in November of '98. Anyone know when it may see the light of day? If you are thinking about that one: 097 - CONVERGENCE: Dave Douglas Dave Douglas: trumpet; Mark Feldman: violin; Erik Friedlander: cello; Drew Gress: bass; Michael Sarin: drums. 1999 (?) - Soul Note (Italy), 121316-2 (CD) It should have been released (was advertised in THE WIRE January 1999). But I have not seen it yet. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol) Subject: mark isham Date: 05 Feb 1999 09:52:25 -0800 On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:03:42 -0500 Tom Pratt wrote: >> >> I hear Archie Shepp is playing gigs in Chicago with trumpet cheeseman >> Mark Isham (sp?)... What's going on with this? I recall hearing Isham play with Art Lande's band in the late '70s, and Isham was wearing the Lester Bowie influence on his sleeve. That band was stretching. The surprise for me is when Isham turned up later with this new age stuff.... Continuing to dig Braxton/Willisau -- finding myself preferinging toward the live disc.... Martin np. Freddie Hubbard Hub-tones "Lament for Booker" -- liner notes say Freddie and Booker Little were close friends... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: When will zorn come to Europe? January 27th, I hope... Date: 05 Feb 1999 20:16:37 +0100 I got the initial (=not 100% sure) programm of Warsaw Summer Jazz Days festival. One day is Masada only - three configurations - I hope Masada quartet will include Zorn :-) 24.06.99 1. Elliott Sharp Trio (Zeena Parkins, Cornel Rochester) 2. Marc Ribot Y Los Cubanos Postizos 3. David Torn/Vernon Reid/ Elliott Sharp - Guitar Oblique 25.06 1. Masada String Trio 2. Masada quartet 3. Bar Kokhba 26.06 1. Fred Frith/Mazzoll (maybe... Mazzoll is polish clarinet player) 2. Critters Buggin 3. Medeski, Martin & Wood 27.06 1. Harriet Tubman (Brandon Ross (guitar) Melvin Gibbs (bass) J.T. Lewis (drums) 2. Henry Threadgill band 3. Pharoah Sanders A ticket for the whole festivall is about 100 DM. PS: nie bój siê Marcin, dostaniesz te ksera! __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno AT silesia.top.pl] www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: Melford/ Johnston Date: 05 Feb 1999 16:33:36 -0300 Hi Folks! 1- I read something about Phillip Johnston's score for Tod Browning's 1927 film The Unknown. Is there any opinions or comments out there? 2- I'm planning a Myra Melford pick up (I already have the Same River Twice). Any suggestions or comments? Thanks in advance. Hugo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "brazen stupidity" Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #582 Date: 03 Feb 1999 17:50:55 -0500 >Who can tell me something about the Legendary Pink Dots? What do they >sound like and what recordings are recommended? I always see them >name-checked and listed in various places but I know nothing about >them... Thanks. > > -Tom Pratt They are the greatest band on Earth (of course coming from a 16 year old kid, may not mean much to a lot of you!) Their earlier records are filled with strange pop-type songs with a musique conctrete touch. After about 1987 they made more "mature" sounding stuff, but still brilliant. They are quite a spectacle live. I'd probabaly start with any of the Chemical Playschool cds (compilations of more obscure stuff) , or the Stained Glass Soma Fountains cd. If you don't like it in the beginning, let it grow on you, soon you'll be irritating everyone you know about useless facts about the band (or maybe that's just me...). Quite a surprise to hear about them on the Zorn-list, one place I wouldn't expect them. Email me if you want more info. Thanx! end. Nirav -- OnNow- Jim O'Rourke- Remove the Need - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "hijk" Subject: RE: Melford Date: 05 Feb 1999 15:11:30 -0500 I would pick up the two Enemy trios "Jump" and "Now & Now" (both with Horner/Nicholson ) as it appears that Enemy is out of business. If you can't find those two, the two Hat Art's "Alive in the House of Saints" and "Even the Sounds Shine" are excellent with the latter adding Marty Ehrlich and Dave Douglas to the trio. Jeff hijk@gateway.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Dave Douglas - Strings Date: 05 Feb 1999 15:17:02 -0400 >On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:29:37 -0400 Greg Smith wrote: >> >> Last I had heard (from Dave Douglas himself), the new "Strings" disc was supposed to come out in November of '98. Anyone know when > it may see the light of day? > >If you are thinking about that one: > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >097 - CONVERGENCE: Dave Douglas > > Dave Douglas: trumpet; Mark Feldman: violin; Erik Friedlander: cello; Drew > Gress: bass; Michael Sarin: drums. > > 1999 (?) - Soul Note (Italy), 121316-2 (CD) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >It should have been released (was advertised in THE WIRE January 1999). >But I have not seen it yet. That is the one.. thanks for the info. ANYONE know when it will be released? I am hungry for it!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Orange Subject: The No Music Box Date: 05 Feb 1999 15:31:32 -0500 (EST) Media Release: December 11, 1998 Entartete Kunst Records & The No Music Festival announce the release of The No Music Box The complete performances from the 1998 No Music Festival, recorded in London, Ontario on March 27 & 28, are now available in a 6-CD box set produced by Entartete Kunst Records. The festival, organized to honor the singular and seminal 33-year career of the Nihilist Spasm Band, featured noise musicians and improvising artists from Canada, U.S.A., and Japan, including John Corbett/Terri Kapsalis/Hal Rammel; Thurston Moore; Jojo Hiroshige & Junko; Knurl; Alan Licht; plus the NSB. In addition to the regular concerts (recorded in the superb acoustics of Aeolian Hall) the records include about 3 hours of unique site-specific configurations struck up amongst this impressive international assemblage of experimental musicians, gathered toether for the first time. The Nihilist Spasm Band formed in London in 1965 and have played together continuously, retaining its original membership, ever since (save for the 1992 death of Greg Curnoe). The NSB has won a distinct and charmed reputation in avant-garde circles. It blends skeptical and exhuberent humour with a repudiation of musical conventions played on electric instruments it has invented and built. Its members all are now in their late-50s and early-60s. The No Music Festival invited select friends and fans of the NSB to play together in the band's hometown. What resulted was an important redefinition of an often maligned and misunderstood musical form -"noise." The No Music Box has been produced in a limited edition of 500. In addition to the discs, each set includes a booklet of photos of the festival, with remembrances and appreciations from the participants For more information on the recordings please contact: Jay Bellchamber (Entartete Kunst Records) chamber@gtn.net Art Pratten (Nihilist Spasm Band) pratten@sympatico.ca The No Music Box is being distributed worldwide by Forced Exposure and Entartete Kunst Records: www.forcedexposure.com www.ek-recrods.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Melford Date: 05 Feb 1999 18:02:34 -0500 (EST) Get: "Alive In The House of Saints" (trio) first, then "Even The Sounds Shine", (quintet) next, then "Eleven Ghosts" (duo with Han Bennick) . All are on hatArt/hatology Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Meshuggah (and Gorguts) Date: 05 Feb 1999 18:32:16 EST I'll echo the previous comments about Meshuggah's _Chaosphere_ and Gorguts' _Obscura_ . These are two of the most amazing techno/thrash metal albums i've heard in quite a while. Absolutely brilliant stuff... spinning: Brast Burn- Debon =dgasque= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugues Roulon" Subject: Re: Akchote Recommendations Date: 06 Feb 1999 00:39:10 +0100 > >Date: Wed, 03 Feb 99 14:10:44 -0500 >From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu >Subject: Akchote Recommendations > > Belatedly just got around to picking up 'Lust Corner' (W&W w/Akchote, > Ribot and Chadbourne) and enjoy it quite a bit. What other Akchote > releases would folk here recommend? > > Also bought the Koch re-releases of those two great AEC recordings, > 'Bap-Tizum' and 'Fanfare for the Warriors'; found 'em for several > dollars less than the Atlantic re-issues. Plus, the Atlantic's don't, > I assume, contain Steve's excellent liner notes, right? Nice job > Steve! But what's with that little blurp of 'Unanka' at the end of the > 'Bap-Tizum' disc? > > Now if we can only get 'Les Stances a Sophie' and 'People in Sorrow' > discafied.... > > Brian Olewnick You can listen to The Recyclers, a trio with Noel, Steve Arguelles on drums and Benoit Delbecq on prepared piano. There are 4 records : 2 CDs on 2Z and 2 vinyls on Rectangle, especially the wonderful Morceaux Choisis, a collection of covers of famous french songs (Serge Gainsbourg, Brigitte Fontaine, Jacques Brel...). I recommand also to listen to the collective work Buenaventura Durutti on Nato. I don't know if these records are easy to find outside France... Hugues http://www.fennec.digiweb.fr - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: The Mince [was Re: off subject: new scorn?] Date: 05 Feb 1999 21:34:36 -0500 Joseph S. Zitt wrote: > On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Steve Smith wrote: > > > NP - King Crimson, "Fracture" and "Book of Saturday," _The Mince_ > > What is _The Mince_? Have I missed another archival release? Not a legitimate one. It's a two CD bootleg on Silver Rarities... a complete set from the Rainbow in London, March 18, 1973, shortly after Jamie Muir left the group. It's also got the pretty common Bremen improv from October '72 with Muir (which I think is currently slated to be King Crimson Collector's Club release number three), plus a pair of filler tracks from Berkeley, CD, June '73. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Peter Schreier/Andras Schiff, "Trockne Blumen," _Die Schone Mullerin_ (Schubert) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Dave Douglas - Strings Date: 05 Feb 1999 21:42:21 -0500 Greg Smith wrote: > Last I had heard (from Dave Douglas himself), the new "Strings" disc was supposed to come out in November of '98. Anyone know when it may see the light of day? Already out in Europe, March '99 for the U.S. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Peter Schreier/Andras Schiff, "Des Baches Wiegenlied," _Die Schone Mullerin_ (Schubert) > > > Greg > http://www.unchain.com/ (currently down, blast it) > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Melford Date: 05 Feb 1999 22:02:32 -0500 hijk wrote: > I would pick up the two Enemy trios "Jump" and "Now & Now" (both with > Horner/Nicholson ) as it appears that Enemy is out of business. If you > can't find those two, the two Hat Art's "Alive in the House of Saints" and > "Even the Sounds Shine" are excellent with the latter adding Marty Ehrlich > and Dave Douglas to the trio. Good recommendations. I also really like her album with Han Bennink on hatOLOGY, "Eleven Ghosts." Myra's just signed with Arabesque Records, and her next Same River, Twice disc is due in April. Beyond that, she has two other projects she hopes to record, her new trio with Stomu Takeishi (see the ongoing comments about the Erik Friedlander Topaz show) and Kenny Wollesen (Sex Mob, Slow Poke, New Klezmer Trio, Masada West) and the co-op trio Equal Interest (Myra with Joseph Jarman and Leroy Jenkins, about which I posted some time ago). There's also a really good chance that Dave Douglas will be recording soon with the Indian-influenced trio he leads with Myra on harmonium and Badal Roy or Samir Chatterjee on tabla. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Peter Schreier/Andras Schiff, "Wasserflut," _Winterreise_ (Schubert) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "allen j huotari" Subject: Re: Dave Douglas - Strings Date: 05 Feb 1999 21:37:25 -0000 greetings fellow Zornophiliacs a friend of mine just fwd'd me this press release (see below) it should answer the recent inquiry about CONVERGENCE and then some ajh Soul Note Records Presents... The Dave Douglas 1999 Performance Schedule BE SURE to hear Dave Douglas' latest String Group recording, "Convergence" on Soul Note Records. What a band! Mark Feldman (violin), Erik Friedlander (cello), Drew Gress (bass), & Michael Sarin (drums). North America Streetdate: March 9th. FEB-MAY '99 Feb.6 Feral Arts - Brooklyn, NY (Improvisations) Feb.16-21 Sweet Basil - NYC (Quartet) Feb.23-24 Regatta Bar - Boston, MA (Quartet) Feb.25 Ursinus College - PA (Quartet) Feb.26 Tonic - NYC (w/ Sean Lennon & Yuka Honda) Mar.3 Empty Bottle - Chicago, IL (Tiny Bell Trio) Mar.5 Kerrytown Concert House - Ann Arbor, MI (Tiny Bell Trio) Mar.6 Hallwalls Center - Buffalo, NY (Tiny Bell Trio) Mar.7 Duquesne Univ. Concert Hall - Pittsburgh, PA (Tiny Bell Trio) Mar.8 State Of The Union - Washington DC (Tiny Bell Trio) Mar.9 The Pie - Philadelphia, PA (Tiny Bell Trio) Mar.15 Knitting Factory - NYC (Sanctuary) Mar.20 BAM Cafe - Brooklyn, NY (Charms Of The Night Sky) Mar.21-Apr.12 European Tour (Tiny Bell Trio) Apr.16 Kansas City Jazz Festival (Quartet) Apr.20 USC - Santa Cruz, CA (Quartet) Apr.21-22 West Coast - TBA (Quartet) Apr.23 Seattle, WA (Quartet) Apr.24 Vancouver, Canada (Quartet) Apr.25 Portland, OR (Quartet) May19-26 Banff Center (Master Classes) May27-28 Knitting Factory, Old Office, NYC (w/ Myra Melford) -----Original Message----- >>On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:29:37 -0400 Greg Smith wrote: >>> >>> Last I had heard (from Dave Douglas himself), the new "Strings" disc was supposed to come out in November of '98. Anyone know when >> it may see the light of day? >> >>If you are thinking about that one: >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >> >>097 - CONVERGENCE: Dave Douglas >> >> Dave Douglas: trumpet; Mark Feldman: violin; Erik Friedlander: cello; Drew >> Gress: bass; Michael Sarin: drums. >> >> 1999 (?) - Soul Note (Italy), 121316-2 (CD) >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >> >>It should have been released (was advertised in THE WIRE January 1999). >>But I have not seen it yet. > >That is the one.. thanks for the info. ANYONE know when it will be released? I am hungry for it!! > > > >- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William York Subject: R. Kirk/P. Johnston/ Hat hut on sale in cadence Date: 06 Feb 1999 00:59:45 -0500 (EST) > first album) compositions of Naked City. I don't suppose it's a > direct influence, but I swear that Naked City could have covered it - > (and I'm tempted to trawl for a specific piece that resembles it! > Heh!) He did play a Roland Kirk song on his 1998 (?) radio hour, but it was a different thing. I hear Roland Kirk stuff popping up in a lot of stuff, not just the 2/3 saxaphones at once thing. Still waiting to hear Ground Zero's version of his version of "I Say a Little Prayer", whenever that comes in the mail.. > 1- I read something about Phillip Johnston's score for Tod Browning's > 1927 film The Unknown. Is there any opinions or comments out there? This is good, yes. As he says, it kind of fluctuates between what could be thought of as 'silent film music' of the period and stuff that wouldn't be. His other writing also tends to feel like it coming out of different decades at once (thats a quote from the liners of one of albums, I think), like with the Microscopic Septet. I saw a recent performance of another silent film he did a score for, and the music had more improvising and was less thematic and melodic than "The Unknown". For me, his ability for writing melodies is his strongest point. His film music CD on Tzadik is stronger in this category than most of the stuff in the series; its also good but has a lot of short tracks... The Unkown is probably a good place to start - also nice packaging as usual with Avant. Also, a lot of the hat Hut stuff is on sale in Cadence. The much talked about Anthony Braxton Willisau 4CD set is only $32!! Most of the double CDs (Braxton, Lacy, Feldman, etc) are going for $21, and most of the older, pre-hatology/hatnow things for $14. I'm glad I procrastinated that extra week on getting the Braxton thing... Are there any more (esp. of the 2CD sets) that anyone recommends? I don't know much about Morton Feldman, and I'm thinking maybe this is a good place to start. Thanks, WY - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Dave Douglas - Strings Date: 06 Feb 1999 01:10:37 -0400 "allen j huotari" wrote: >a friend of mine just fwd'd me this press release (see below) >it should answer the recent inquiry about CONVERGENCE and then some Thanks for all the info... this is joyous news, especially the following two dates (I LOVE both albums!!): >Mar.15 Knitting Factory - NYC (Sanctuary) >Mar.20 BAM Cafe - Brooklyn, NY (Charms Of The Night Sky) Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah (and Gorguts) Date: 06 Feb 1999 01:05:39 -0400 >I'll echo the previous comments about Meshuggah's _Chaosphere_ and Gorguts' >_Obscura_ . These are two of the most amazing techno/thrash metal albums i've >heard in quite a while. Absolutely brilliant stuff... Previous Gorguts material was good, but not this good... the first album was very by-the-numbers death metal. The second, "The Erosion of Sanity," hinted at what was to come, but the greatness of "Obscura" is unparalleled in my opinion... Greg http://www.unchain.com/ (back up!) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Howes Subject: Re: Meshuggah [was Re: Art Ensemble on Koch] Date: 05 Feb 1999 23:07:25 -0800 >>Okay, you've got my attention...what does Meshuggah sound like,=20 >>generally speaking? I'm fairly well-versed in Zorn stuff, so=20 >>comparisions to any of his projects would be good (and bring this=20 >>thread back on-topic as well!) > >If I had to compare, closest to Painkiller and Naked City with a touch of= >Spy vs. Spy, but much more "metal" than each of the aforementioned= >projects. Meshuggah is VERY heavy and aggressive... tight like Naked City,= >all-out ugliness like Painkiller (for the most part). Very wild and varied= >use of time signatures. Wow, I have to disagree here. I don't think there is very much similar between Painkiller/Naked City and Meshuggah. Meshuggah is a very technical and heavy thrash band with industrial overtones. Imagine Pantera style riffs , Ministry style industrial leanings, and add MUCH more complex time changes. I like them a lots and will also second someone elses Gorguts recommendations for great complex-thrash/death metal. I would also add Canderia (not Candiru). Meshugah is on the thrash side of things while Goreguts is on the death metal side of things. They are worth checking out. If you get lucky and find it, the guitarist of Meshugah has a side project with a DJ called XXX Atomic Toejam....that is a hard techno (with thrash guitars). While it sounds a little dated now it's still better than most of the "digital hardcore" that I think comes up flat. mike mhowes@best.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: thirwall Date: 06 Feb 1999 18:15:05 +1100 I was advised a little while ago to check out the work of Jim Thirwall - some project names that I remember are Foetus and Steroid Maximus... Does anyone here follow his work? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: Re: thirwall Date: 06 Feb 1999 02:56:14 EST In a message dated 2/6/99 2:19:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au writes: > Does > anyone here follow his work? a little. i have the cd "hole" by scraping foetus off the wheel. the remix he did of fistfuck by nine inch nails is pretty spectacular. he may have done 2 tracks on "fixed" (nin remix cd). i think i prefer the remix to foetus, but its all good - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: re: thirwell Date: 06 Feb 1999 03:01:01 EST oh yeah i 4got. i also saw him in some film by richard kern. he co-starred with lydia lunch. it was pretty amusing - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Seth Gordon Subject: Re: thirwall Date: 06 Feb 1999 03:52:39 -0500 I've always felt his best work was the Steroid Maximus project- if I remember right, "!Quilombo!" was the better of the two albums- much darker, more complex, but touches of the wacky sense of humor one can usually expect from him. His various "Foetus" projects are a mixed bag- he was extremely prolific for a period and though there are many moments of brilliance, there always seemed to be an equal amount of "fluff". I'd avoid his album on Sony ("Gash") until you've checked out some earlier work. Julian wrote: > I was advised a little while ago to check out the work of Jim Thirwall - > some project names that I remember are Foetus and Steroid Maximus... Does > anyone here follow his work? > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli " Subject: Re: When will zorn come to Europe? Date: 06 Feb 1999 01:14:13 PST > I'm living in Colonge, Germany for the year, and I was wondering if and > when John Zorn, or any other interesting artists, are coming to Europe. > I'm here until August, so if you know of any European shows between now > and then, let me know. > > Thanks, > Douglas Clarke There are rumours aboout masada coming to warsaw summer jazz festival, which is scheduled to the last days of june. I've told that he's gonna have a whole day to himself! I think he must be touring ine europe in the summer See you, Marcin Gokieli _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli " Subject: isham-torn Date: 06 Feb 1999 01:35:36 PST torn'sd cloud about mercury is really ok... bruford and levin play incredible drum'n'bass -like stuff (ok, it's actually simmonns&stick) BUT It would be much better without Isham , Just trio, and loads of guitar solos. peace marcin _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oger Subject: Re: Akchote/AEC Date: 06 Feb 1999 12:11:06 +0100 >From: Jason Caulfield Bivins >I'm just getting into Noel A. myself, but there's some pretty good stuff >on the latest Sam Rivers disc "Configurations," which is on the French >Pelican label (if memory serves). Some of the album borders on >un-Rivers-like schlock (actually these are the tunes written by pianist >Tony Hymas), but there's some fierce improv as well. > >Jason Bivins I don't think that Pelican exists as a label :-) Configuration is on french label : Nato Jacques - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Akchote/AEC Date: 06 Feb 1999 06:24:16 -0500 Oger wrote: > >>From: Jason Caulfield Bivins > >> > >>I'm just getting into Noel A. myself, but there's some pretty good stuff > > >>on the latest Sam Rivers disc "Configurations," which is on the French > >>Pelican label (if memory serves). Some of the album borders on > >>un-Rivers-like schlock (actually these are the tunes written by pianist > .>>Tony Hymas), but there's some fierce improv as well. > >> > >>Jason Bivins > > >I don't think that Pelican exists as a label :-) > > > >Configuration is on french label : Nato > > > >Jacques > Pelican just reissued this. Anyone know what/where "La Buissonne" is?? okay, RL > > 96.00.00 > > Sam Rivers: Configuration > > NATO 777711 (CD) 1996; Pelican Sound Recording PSR 9803 (CD) USA 1998 > > ?, 1996 > La Buissonne > ? > > 1.Beatrice (Rivers) [4:44] > 2.Cheshire Hotel (Akchote) [7:49] > 3.Etchings (Rivers/Rogers) [5:11] > 4.Configuration (Rivers/Akchote/Hymas/Rogers/Thollot) [13:09] > 5.Jennifer (Hymas) [5:33] > 6.Zing (Rivers/Rogers) [4:51] > 7.Sketches (Rivers/Akchote) [4:17] > 8.Rififi (Rogers) [8:38] > 9.Gleam (Rivers/Akchote) [2:41] > 10.Ripples (Rivers) [5:13] > 11.Moonbeams (Rivers) [5:48] > 12.Nightfall (Rivers) [5:34] > > Sam Rivers (ts-1,2,4,5,6,8,11,12; ss-9,10; fl-3,7) > Noel Akchote (g-1,2,4,7,8,9,10,12) > Tony Hymas (p-1,2,4,5,8,10,11,12) > Paul Rogers (b-1,2,3,4,6,8) > Jacques Thollot (d-2,4,8) > > {Primary Source: PSR 9803} -- Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp, David S. Ware, and Reggie Workman discographies--Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc., at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k ***Very Various Music For Sale: ***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alan E Kayser Subject: Re: caine trio Date: 06 Feb 1999 08:47:00 -0500 Julian wrote: > CDnow has a cd listed by "Uri Caine Trio" called "Blue Wail" (on Winter & > Winter). Does anyone know what this trio is? > > Julian. > http://www.hartingdale.com.au/~jcurwin/ > > - The trio consists of Uri, James Genus on bass, and Ralph Peterson drums. This is a chance to hear Uri really stretch out on original tunes, with the exception of framing them between two versions of Honeysuckle Rose. This is Uri's first trio recording (!), and his first straightahead jazz recording on Winter & Winter. They should soon be putting out his two wonderful JMT cds, SPHERE and TOYS. Also look for Uri's MAHLER:PRIMAL LIGHT and WAGNER E VENEZIA on W & W with more similar material coming in the future. Alan E Kayser - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: R. Kirk/P. Johnston/ Hat hut on sale in cadence Date: 06 Feb 1999 12:26:22 EST In a message dated 2/6/99 1:01:36 AM, wyork@email.unc.edu writes: << Are there any more (esp. of the 2CD sets) that anyone recommends? I don't know much about Morton Feldman, and I'm thinking maybe this is a good place to start. >> my picks of the Hat Art Feldmans are For Bunita Marcus and Patterns In A Chromatic Field. I also just read that John Tilbury has a 4 CD set on the way of the complete Feldman piano repertoire, which I'm pretty psyched about. Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: R. Kirk/P. Johnston/ Hat hut on sale in cadence Date: 06 Feb 1999 13:13:27 -0600 (CST) On Sat, 6 Feb 1999 JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > my picks of the Hat Art Feldmans are For Bunita Marcus and Patterns In A > Chromatic Field. I'd also throw in a recomendation for "Crippled Symmetry". > I also just read that John Tilbury has a 4 CD set on the way of the complete > Feldman piano repertoire, which I'm pretty psyched about. Ooh... - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: When will zorn come to Europe? Date: 06 Feb 1999 15:10:24 -0500 > > I'm living in Colonge, Germany for the year, and I was wondering if and > > when John Zorn, or any other interesting artists, are coming to Europe. > > I'm here until August, so if you know of any European shows between now > > and then, let me know. > > > > Thanks, > > Douglas Clarke While it does not include any tangible news of Masada, I still find promoter Thomas Stowsand's Saudades website to be very useful in tracking interesting U.S. musicians' doings in Europe. Right now you can see upcoming tourdates for Bill Frisell, Bobby Previte's "Bump the Renaissence" Band, Dave Douglas's Tiny Bell Trio, Dave Holland, Dewey Redman, Myra Melford, Marc Ribot's Cubanos Postisos, the Paul Motian Trio, the Kronos Quartet, Pachora, Uri Caine and Tim Berne's bloodcount, among many others. Go to http://www.ejn.it/saudades/ and click on "Confirmed Dates." While you're at it, spend some time poking around the site... you never know what you'll find. I just stumbled across this tantalizing tidbit regarding what must be Uri Caine's next major project, touring Europe in June/July 1999: "Uri Caine Ensemble: Songs after R.Schumann (Dichterlied) + G.Mahler (Kindertotenlieder) with Sepp Bierbichler, Phil Minton, Don Byron, Mark Feldman, David Gilmore, a.o." Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: isham-torn Date: 06 Feb 1999 15:33:04 -0500 Marcin Gokieli wrote: > torn'sd cloud about mercury is really ok... > bruford and levin play incredible drum'n'bass -like stuff (ok, it's actually > simmonns&stick) > BUT It would be much better without Isham , Just trio, and loads of guitar > solos. In that sense, the Bruford-Levin "Upper Extremities" band is probably more what you're after... trumpeter Chris Botti doesn't seem to do very much, so it comes off more like power trio with occasional trumpet. (At a Knitting Factory show last year, Bruford quipped that the band used to work with "another trumpeter," but that that musician was now too tied up in Scientology to return his phone calls...) Anyway, B.L.U.E. eschews the Simmons/Stick sound for big electric bass and acoustic drums. Not my favorite music, but not bad. Mainly it was just fun to see Bruford and Levin on the Knitting Factory stage... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Kevin Mahogany, "Lush Life," _My Romance_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 06 Feb 1999 16:05:55 -0500 Michael Howes wrote: > Wow, I have to disagree here. I don't think there is very much similar > between Painkiller/Naked City and Meshuggah. I'd have to agree, in general, other than Naked City = complexity, Pain Killer = aggression + volume, and Meshuggah = complexity + aggression + volume. But that's a massive oversimplification. > Meshuggah is a very technical and heavy thrash band with industrial > overtones. > Imagine Pantera style riffs , Ministry style industrial leanings, and add > MUCH more complex time changes. With this I'm inclined to agree, with the added note that the guitarist seems to be very much influenced by the legato soloing style of Allan Holdsworth (not a bad thing in my book). For me Meshuggah exists in a sort of techno-thrash metal continuum that follows in the progression of Voivod and Fear Factory - note that that's just *my* conception: there are plenty of gaps in my knowledge of contemporary metal, though it's an area I'm currently really addressing (going through a divorce can have that effect on you!). As someone already pointed out, the Meshuggah website (http://www.meshuggah.net) is loaded with MP3 and Real Audio samples. > I would also add Canderia (not Candiru). I am going quite mad searching NYC for anything by Candiria. You wouldn't think it would be so hard given that they're from Brooklyn. They got a great write-up in the New York Times for a recent show at Coney Island High and were also listed by the same writer as being among the ten most important current metal acts (along with Meshuggah) in Rolling Stone. New York is not a great city for finding metal in record stores... I may have to resort to Amazon.com for this. I look forward to hearing both Meshuggah and Candiria live at the March Metal Mayhem festival in Asbury Park, NJ on March 12-23. Sepultura is headlining. I don't know any of the other bands. There will also be professional wrestlers and a porn queen as MC. Whoopee... Think I'll check out Gorguts. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Gorguts, "Nostalgia," _Obscura_ (RealAudio soundbite on Amazon.com) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shep@globetrotter.net Subject: Way OT but wondering about Kronos box... Date: 06 Feb 1999 16:58:43 -0500 Nothing really to do with Zorn...unless you count Zorn's work with -- But this shouldn't turn into Six Degrees of John Zorn. Just wondering if there was any opinion out there about the new Kronos Quartet box set. The massive expensive one -- ten discs or something. -------- Matthew Shepherd shep@globetrotter.net Now done the apartment renovation job, I embark on a new career as a pert-time reporter for the local English-language newspaper. No, really. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shep@globetrotter.net Subject: Re: thirwall Date: 06 Feb 1999 16:58:43 -0500 Date sent: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 18:15:05 +1100 > I was advised a little while ago to check out the work of Jim Thirwall - > some project names that I remember are Foetus and Steroid Maximus... Does > anyone here follow his work? I'm moderately familiar with thirlwell's stuff; if you're looking to pick ups some of his work, his album "Steroid Maximus/Quilombo!" (spelling probably incorrect, it's on cassette and buried somewhere in my closet) is a neat album of "spy music from hell" -- plenty of bongo and horn with a nasty industrial riff to it. "Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel" is the best of his solo stiff IMHO. The album to avoid? Oddly enough, the only one where he refers to himself as solely "Foetus" -- "Gash." Pretty blase stuff. I actually prefer Thirlwell as a remixer of Other People's Stuff than as a solo artist per se. His work with the lacklustre Trent Reznor / Nine Inch Nails was great; best of that being his remixes of "Broken" songs on the "Fixed" EP. All in all, a fun guy who doesn't take himself overly seriously. If you like Thirlwell, you may want to track down some vintage Keith LeBlanc. Matt Shepherd shep@globetrotter.net "I had a dog named Shep. He was a good dog, too." - E. Presley - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zoyd Subject: Re: thirwall Date: 06 Feb 1999 14:25:38 -0800 Julian wrote: > > I was advised a little while ago to check out the work of Jim Thirwall - > some project names that I remember are Foetus and Steroid Maximus... Does > anyone here follow his work? > > - "Sink" is a good place to start, by Foetus Inc. it's a compilation of his various work most of which i believe is unavailable on other discs. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: isham-torn Date: 06 Feb 1999 20:28:42 -0500 (EST) Chick Corea is a Scientologist and *he* returns his phone calls, which depending on your point of view may or may not be a good thing. Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net n.p. AEC "Fanfare.." (watch those tenses, Steve); Ra "Space Is The Place" * "Sound of Joy"; G.L. Troversi "From G to G" On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, Steve Smith wrote: > (At a Knitting Factory show > last year, Bruford quipped that the band used to work with "another trumpeter," > but that that musician was now too tied up in Scientology to return his phone > calls...) Anyway, B.L.U.E. eschews the Simmons/Stick sound for big electric > bass and acoustic drums. Not my favorite music, but not bad. > > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren Subject: Jim Thirlwell. Date: 07 Feb 1999 00:00:45 -0500 MEEP! Julian wrote: >I was advised a little while ago to check out the work of Jim Thirwall... Thirlwell's stuff has varied rather a lot over time, and while the early Scraping Foetus Off the Wheel material is definitely worth checking out if your taste runs to either manic industrial stuff or Oingo Boingo, I'm surprised that nobody on the list has mention the Foetus Symphony Orchestra disc, _York_, which was released on Thirsty Ear back in the summer of '97. I don't know, maybe it doesn't live up to the performance standards of Zorn-related ensembles (it probably doesn't, really), but the group's bloated, thuggish blues sound -- with Lydia Lunch reading some of Thirlwell's "poetry", which can be a selling point or not, depending on what you think of her voice and delivery -- really struck a chord with me. It's big, it's ugly, and it sounds almost exactly how I picture DUMBO should sound. It also didn't get very good reviews, probably because so many fans were expecting it to be the long-hoped-for "big band" album, so... On the other hand, I'll definitely second the recommendation of _Sink_ as a worthwhile starting point for his solo work. Not only does it present the new listener with a wide range of styles, but the opening vocal tracks will also give you a decent taste of the Foetus persona that turns up on pretty much everything else the guy has ever touched. If his sense of humour doesn't appeal here, it's unlikely that it will shine through well elsewhere. Remix-wise, I'm not exactly wild about his output to date. Sure, it's generally noisier than the source material, but so many people have put out all three or four remixes that he provides for a given project that you quickly get sick of hearing slightly different takes on the same general theme again and again and again. To date, only his mixes of Jarboe's "Red" and the Nine Inch Nails material on _Fixed_ have done much for me, but again, your mileage may vary. He has also collaborated with piles of folks over the years, including Pig's Raymond Watts (on the Steroid Maximus material that has already been recommended), Marc Almond (on the Marc and the Mambas LPs, which spawned the deranged-carnival-sounding remix of "A Million Manias" that might be found on the recent re-issue of old Flesh Volcano material on Thirsty Ear), and Coil (he produced and provided horn arrangements on their debut album, _Scatology_). Some folks will also suggest that you try out the work that he did with Roli Mossiman as Wiseblood, but I don't know about that... the _PTTM_ EP is okay, but other than that, I'd consider it to be completists-only fodder. In any event, more information on all of this can be found quite readily at http://www.foetus.org, and on the Usenet group alt.music.foetus (assuming that your service provider carries it). He also occasionally does interviews for the New York chick mag, Bust, which you might be able to find at their Web site (http://www.bust.com)... Elysian Fields' Jennifer Charles was the first victim that I was aware of, and they've been promising a chat with Nicole Blackman for ages... -me - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli " Subject: Re: isham-torn Date: 07 Feb 1999 01:03:30 PST On Sat, 06 Feb 1999 15:33:04 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: > > > In that sense, the Bruford-Levin "Upper Extremities" band is probably more what > you're after... trumpeter Chris Botti doesn't seem to do very much, so it comes > off more like power trio with occasional trumpet. (At a Knitting Factory show > last year, Bruford quipped that the band used to work with "another trumpeter," > but that that musician was now too tied up in Scientology to return his phone > calls...) Anyway, B.L.U.E. eschews the Simmons/Stick sound for big electric > bass and acoustic drums. Not my favorite music, but not bad. Mainly it was > just fun to see Bruford and Levin on the Knitting Factory stage... well, i hope that the blue cd (together with the zorn-previte-sharp-horvitz thing) will be waiting for me when i get back to warsaw. Marcin Gokieli _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marcin Gokieli " Subject: trash davis etc Date: 07 Feb 1999 01:20:21 PST recently i got the two last live '70s miles cds didn't already have- 'black beauty' and 'at filmore' cds. What impressed me that there are large parts where they play naked city style trash - extremely dense and fast drum-percussion(DeJohnette/moreira) with extreme noise keyboards on it (corea and on 'at filmore' jarret joins the band. I can't tell you in which tunes those things happe - i'm not ona (strange kind of) holiday, and i have no music with me. and - talking about MD Isn't dark magus incredible? what kind of music is this?!! I think these 3 double cds are the most extremal things MD ever did (ok- maybe except the 'filles de kilimanjaro' stuff) Btw i bought at least the williams-shorter-hanckock-carter-davis 6cd box. How could i live without it? hope it' not to much off-topic... Oh! i forgot! one more - absolutely off topic- thing. Does anybody know where can i get ANY Zappa videos? _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alan Lankin Subject: Upcoming Philadelphia jazz concerts Date: 07 Feb 1999 06:54:41 -0500 --------------------------- Sweetnighter Productions (http://home.att.net/~lankina/sweetnighter) {dedicated to bringing cutting edge jazz to Philadelphia} Presents... --------------------------- Sunday, February 28, 1999 Deep Space Posse Tyrone Hill, Elliot Levin, ... Double Theater, 17th and Walnut, Philadelphia. --------------------------- Sunday, March 7, 1999 Joe Morris Quartet Joe Morris (guitar), Mat Maneri (violin), Chris Lightcap (bass), Jerome Deupree (drums) Unitarian Church, 21st & Chestnut, Philadelphia. --------------------------- Tuesday, March 9, 1999 Tiny Bell Trio Dave Douglas (trumpet), Brad Shepik (guitar), Jim Black (drums) "The Pie", 718 South Street, Philadelphia. --------------------------- Friday, April 30, 1999 Vinny Golia Quartet Vinny Golia, Paul Smoker, and tba Location TBA, Philadelphia. --------------------------- Date TBA Tom Varner Tom Varner (french horn) and tba Location TBA, Philadelphia. --------------------------- For Sweetnighter info call Alan K. (215.665.1170) or Craig (215.925.3150) or email aek1@erols.com. To get e-mail announcements of future Sweetnighter Concerts, send you name and e-mail address to Sweetnighter E-mail List at lankina@att.net. --------------------------- --------------------------- Alan Lankin lankina@att.net http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "hijk" Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 07 Feb 1999 08:05:29 -0500 there are plenty of gaps in my knowledge of contemporary metal, >though it's an area I'm currently really addressing Start looking for a new Fanzine out of Philadelphia called Promethean Crusade, it features a cornucopia of Metal reviews and I'm going to try to fuse some zornlist appropriate items into it as soon as I start contributing reviews. It'll be available FREE at many area record stores soon. >New York is not a great city for finding metal in record stores... I may have >to resort to Amazon.com for this. If you need an expert on this subject I suggest you track down the head buyer at the new Virgin on 14th & B'Way, Adrian Pinto. He tries to keep this stuff in stock and he knows what he's talking about. JK hijk@gateway.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 07 Feb 1999 13:15:32 -0400 >I'd have to agree, in general, other than Naked City = complexity, Pain Killer = >aggression + volume, and Meshuggah = complexity + aggression + volume. But >that's a massive oversimplification. As I mentioned in my earlier message, the comparison was only because I was asked to describe the band related to Zorn... I agree it is oversimplifying things, but you hit the idea behind my description right on the head!! >For me Meshuggah exists in a sort of techno-thrash metal continuum that follows >in the progression of Voivod and Fear Factory - note that that's just *my* >conception: there are plenty of gaps in my knowledge of contemporary metal, >though it's an area I'm currently really addressing (going through a divorce can >have that effect on you!). Voivod are another great band... I love every album with the exception of "Angel Rat." I actually got some nice Voivod bootleg videos a few weeks back... >I am going quite mad searching NYC for anything by Candiria. You wouldn't think >it would be so hard given that they're from Brooklyn. You can get the album at http://www.relapse.com >I look forward to hearing both Meshuggah and Candiria live at the March Metal >Mayhem festival in Asbury Park, NJ on March 12-23. Sepultura is headlining. I >don't know any of the other bands. There will also be professional wrestlers >and a porn queen as MC. Whoopee... I'll be there!! Gorguts are also playing!! >Think I'll check out Gorguts. >NP - Gorguts, "Nostalgia," _Obscura_ (RealAudio soundbite on Amazon.com) So what did you think of the sample? Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: trash davis etc Date: 07 Feb 1999 13:16:46 -0400 >hope it' not to much off-topic... >Oh! i forgot! one more - absolutely off topic- thing. Does anybody know >where can i get ANY Zappa videos? I'd love to know as well! Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah [was Re: Art Ensemble on Koch] Date: 07 Feb 1999 13:17:01 -0400 > Wow, I have to disagree here. I don't think there is very much similar >between Painkiller/Naked City and Meshuggah.=20 I don't really think there is an overt similarity, but I was asked what Zorn= projects they were most closely related to. I thought Painkiller for the= metalish feel and heaviness of it, and Naked City for the bizzare= arrangements and total tightness. Also, Naked City is a more traditional= "band" as far as elevtric instruments (with the exception of the sax).=20 Are there any other Zorn projects you feel are closer to Meshuggah? Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 07 Feb 1999 13:24:21 -0400 >Start looking for a new Fanzine out of Philadelphia called Promethean >Crusade, it features a cornucopia of Metal reviews and I'm going to try to >fuse some zornlist appropriate items into it as soon as I start contributin= g >reviews. It'll be available FREE at many area record stores soon. I'd love to see that if you ever get it off the ground, and would be happy= to contribute in any way I can.=20 >If you need an expert on this subject I suggest you track down the head >buyer at the new Virgin on 14th & B'Way, Adrian Pinto. He tries to keep >this stuff in stock and he knows what he's talking about. A good place is actually the Downtown Music Gallery. There is a buy who= works there along with Bruce (I think his name is Mike) that stocks= specialty metal items in the shop and will order most stuff for you. There= is also Lethal Wear (I think it is now called Lethal Zone). The address= escapes me at the moment, but it is 3 or so blocks west of the DMG. They= have a HUGE metal selection but are pretty overpriced. If you are looking= to get metal over the web, the best place is Century Media (http://www.cent= urymedia.com). They are somewhat slow, but the prices cannot be beat! While on the subject of metal, has anyone on the list heard Strapping Young = Lad? Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 07 Feb 1999 14:26:51 -0500 Greg Smith wrote: > Voivod are another great band... I love every album with the exception of "Angel Rat." Agreed. > >Think I'll check out Gorguts. > >NP - Gorguts, "Nostalgia," _Obscura_ (RealAudio soundbite on Amazon.com) > > So what did you think of the sample? Enough to want to hear more, though clearly 30 second mono clips in crappy RA quality are a hard thing to base an opinion upon! Same holds true for the Candiria and Soulfly clips I checked out. At this point, for the sake of the rest of the Zornlist, we should probably conduct any further posting on this thread privately. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - the sounds of hammering in an adjacent apartment undergoing renovation... gah! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 07 Feb 1999 14:31:00 -0500 Greg Smith wrote: > A good place is actually the Downtown Music Gallery. There is a buy who works there along with Bruce (I think his name is Mike) that stocks specialty metal items in the shop and will order most stuff for you. GAHHH!!! How the hell did I forget Emperor Mike? Must be because he's been pretty quiet on most recent DMG newsletters. I'll go looking for the new Lethal Zone... it was recommended to me back when it was Lethal Wear but that location closed before I could check it out. Thanks for the other tips. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - silence for the moment... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: a rancid amoeba Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 07 Feb 1999 12:14:58 -0800 (PST) > While on the subject of metal, has anyone on the list heard Strapping Young Lad? > Hell yeah!! I twisted arms galore to get them to play live at the radio station back when I was an MD (only live performance they've ever done in the Bay Area!). It was mind blowingly amazing...it didn't get started until really late and ended up going over into the next DJs show which was a hip-hop show which of course had a whole posse along. The hip-hop guys, who were usually pretty indifferent to non-hip-hop, were blown away and kept giving SYL props on the air. For those not familiar with them... if you thought of what would really *be* "heavy metal", this is it. It's not particularly complicated but it is insanely dense and never lets up. I've listened to their first album _Heavy As A Really Heavy Thing_ a jillion times and I continue to pick up on things buried in the mix that I'd missed on previous listenings. It's the sort of music for when you're really really really really pissed. There's a been a ton of line-up changes since the first album and Devin (who's the brainchild behind SYL) was hospitalized about a year ago for fairly severe bipolar disorder and is now on medication so I don't think their live shows/albums will ever compare. When I interviewed Devin a couple of years ago he told me about another project he was working on called Hell. He referred to one part of their previous songs that was a "wall of sound" and said that Hell is "that wall for 45 minutes, and it's slow and there's really big distorted loops and techno drums and shit but distorted to horseshit. And no guitar, four basses and just a wall of shit. ...I want to make the fuckin' heaviest record that I could possibly ever make with no melody. If there's a melody it's got to be a horrible melody and I just want to make a wall of shit." It was supposed to come out on his label, Hevy Devy Records, but I've never seen any mention of it. chanel ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.arancidamoeba.com/ rancid@best.com r e c o r d l a b e l s o n t h e w e b future home of a rancid amoeba records - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: the patron saint of pedarests Subject: anyone in NYC want to talk to ben neill/page hamilton? Date: 07 Feb 1999 12:25:23 -0800 (PST) Hi. As the editor of the knitting factory's still-fetal fanzine, I was wondering if anyone who's seriously hip to modern electronic would like to help me interview Ben Neill and Page Hamilton when they play at the knit this saturday (opening for Scanner)? I have the Page Hamilton angle covered, so i really need people who are highly knowledgeable in the electronic music dept., especially where Mr. Neill is concerned. E-mail me at rudycrew@yahoo.com with a short background sketch if interested. we'll talk about getting you into the show for free. Sorry about the lack of Zorn content. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: new Bailey Date: 06 Feb 1999 18:43:51 -0500 With the recent talk of the new Abe/Kondo/Yoshizawa/Bailey disc I was wondering if anyone had some thoughts on the other new Bailey resurrection: Derek Bailey/John Stevens/Trevor Watts - Dynamics of the Impromptu (Entropy Stereo). It's appears to be a scaled down version of the Spontaneous Music Ensemble and the material is all from '73 and '74 (the same time as the fucking great 'Quintessence' discs) so this could well be phenomenal. Just thought I'd let you all know about it and also looking for any comments. -Tom Pratt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Hollo Subject: Re: Jim Thirwell Date: 08 Feb 1999 11:24:47 +1100 Well, since that perverted expat-Aussie Thirwell's being discussed, thought I'd add my voice: The Scraping Foetus Off the Wheel albums "Nail" and "Hole" are both brilliant, if you can cope with his "sense of humour". Hopefully he's being satirical in the insane personae he takes up in, for instance, "I'll Meet You In Poland Baby" and so on. But musically, it's amazing to listen to music from 10 years earlier than Nine Inch Nails, with so much more punch (although I like some NIN...) I don't know how much of these albums is on the compilation "Sink", hopefully a fair amount. There's some great instrumental tracks as well. Also wanted to add that he did a remix of The Incredible Pop Will Eat Itself on their last album, the remix album "Two Fingers My Friends"... not bad, comparable probably to the NIN remixes. Peter. -- Peter Hollo raven@fourplay.com.au http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet http://www.fourplay.com.au "Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Jim Thirwell Date: 07 Feb 1999 19:44:58 -0500 Peter Hollo wrote: > But musically, it's amazing to > listen to music from 10 years earlier than Nine Inch Nails, with so much > more punch (although I like some NIN...) Allow me to bump this onto another branch. I got stuck in Downward Spiral for awhile, Public Enemy a few years before that-- I seem to latch onto someone like this every few years... And just recently I bought the three Soul Coughing CDs, then discovered that they all had connections to the Knit and environs. Anyone out there able to expand on who these guys are, where they came from, other recordings any of them have appeared on, etc.? Oh, and in one of my seventeen former lives I tied a strange knot around Trent Reznor and Stephene Grapelli. You z-listers may find it enjoyable: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/BB10k4p14.html Okay, RL -- Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp, David S. Ware, and Reggie Workman discographies--Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc., at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k ***Very Various Music For Sale: ***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: For Alto Date: 08 Feb 1999 02:01:03 -0400 I've been looking for Braxton's "For Alto" for some time. Anyone know where a copy is available, or if there are any plans to release it on CD? Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 08 Feb 1999 02:11:34 -0400 I do love _Heavy As A Really Heavy Thing_ , but I think their second album,= _City_, is far superior as far as the musicianship, songwriting, heaviness,= production... the addition of drum monster Gene Hoglan to the lineup helps = too!! >There's a been a ton of line-up changes since the first album and >Devin (who's the brainchild behind SYL) was hospitalized about a year=20 >ago for fairly severe bipolar disorder and is now on medication so=20 >I don't think their live shows/albums will ever compare. SYL released a live album called _No Sleep 'Till Bedtime_ that is INSANE. I= don't think Devin has lost it at all... I also received and ran a review on= my site from a guy in Australia of a SYL live performance a few months back= and, from the sound of it, the live show is intense as ever... >When I interviewed Devin a couple of years ago he told me about >another project he was working on called Hell. Hell has been scrapped, from what I know. Devin currently has two other= projects... Infinity and Ocean Machine, the latter of which he says is the= other side of his bipolar disorder. Whereas SYL "represent the= out-of-control anger and destructive aspects" of Devin's illness, OM is= the more melancholic side. Devin describes _City_ as the album he wrote= when he was up, and _Biomech_ (Ocean Machine) what he wrote while down.= Infinity is in the middle... as he put it (from http://www.unchain.com/may/= syl.html) : "Infinity is first, and that opens an era. I had choices to make and= Infinity is the path I chose. The next SYL record will be beyond disturbing= as a reminder of what could have been. It will be alot more bleak, and much= more resigned. It will be a metaphor, at the end there is nothing, past the= end is a new beginning. Infinity is the new beginning. The next SYL is sad,= and it's a product of the environment. The title will be _The Introduction= Of Black Food_." Both the Ocean Machine and Infinity albums are great, but very different= from SYL.. not nearly as heavy or ugly! Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Gorguts' _Obscura_ (no Zorn content) Date: 08 Feb 1999 03:43:29 EST I found a promo copy of this CD last night that i'll let go for $8 shipped (US only.) Email me if you'd like it... =dgasque= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.T. de Boer" Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 08 Feb 1999 10:29:14 +0200 Hi, been away for a while, so I'm kind of falling in into this thread. I think comparing Meshuggah to Zorn stuff is impossible when trying to match genre-like parallels. Meshuggah's mainly a metal band, but as many 'techno-thrash' bands they have a certain fondness of jazz(rock). I think this answers for the musicality (in a strict technical sense of course) of these bands. > >For me Meshuggah exists in a sort of techno-thrash metal continuum that follows > >in the progression of Voivod and Fear Factory I disagree with you. To my opinion they come from a mixture of death-metal (especially Death and Cynic) and people like Allan Holdsworth and Frank Zappa. I read an interview with Tomas Haake, Meshuggah's drummer, last week and he stated Death's Human is his alltime favourite metal album (and is he right!!!). Jeroen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Douglas Clarke" Subject: Re: Europe Date: 08 Feb 1999 04:11:54 PST Thank you so much for this link! It was exactly what I was looking for. And if anyone onelse has any good zorn-related Europe tour links, let me know! And I'm definately attending this summer's Warsaw fest. Doug dugc@hotmail.com >I still find promoter >Thomas Stowsand's Saudades website to be very useful in tracking interesting >U.S. musicians' doings in Europe>Go to http://www.ejn.it/saudades/ and click on "Confirmed Dates." > >Steve Smith >ssmith36@sprynet.com > > >- > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Martens Subject: Re: trash davis etc etc Date: 08 Feb 1999 06:06:03 -0800 (PST) I don't have "@ Fillmore," but I've been listening to "Black Beauty" a lot lately, and I know what you're talking about, though it reminded me less of Naked City than Last Exit, maybe just b/c Chick Corea's elec. piano sometimes almost sounds like Sonny Sharrock. Speaking of Corea, between "Black Beauty" and Pete (La Roca) Sims' "Turkish Women @ the Bath" (excellent CD, & cheap too), he's been impressing me a lot lately. What's some other good Corea worth picking up? Eric ---Marcin Gokieli wrote: > > recently i got the two last live '70s miles cds didn't already have- 'black > beauty' and 'at filmore' cds. What impressed me that there are large parts > where they play naked city style trash - extremely dense and fast > drum-percussion(DeJohnette/moreira) with extreme noise keyboards on it > (corea and on 'at filmore' jarret joins the band. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Krzysztof Komeda Date: 08 Feb 1999 09:35:50 -0500 Rented Polanski's 'Knife in the Water' this weekend (a fine, chilling movie, BTW) and was very impressed by the soundtrack, credited to Komeda, consisting of, I think, just a sax/piano/bass/drums quartet but featuring Bernt Rosengren playing some wonderful tenor. A friend tells me that Komeda's work on disc has been almost impossible to come by in the US but that he thinks some stuff ('Rosemary's Baby') has just been issued. Anyone familiar with his recorded work? Artur, you must have some, no? For that matter, I also saw 'Kwaidan' with a spare, fascinating soundtrack by Takemitsu. Recommendations of his work, soundtrack or otherwise, would also be appreciated. Brian Olewnick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJOERN Subject: Re: Krzysztof Komeda Date: 08 Feb 1999 15:50:50 +0100 (MET) there is a very good komeda page which has ALL available recordings in its discography: www.geo.ryerson.ca/michalak/komeda BJOERN www.cityinfonetz.de/uni/homepage/bjoern.eichstaedt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Krzysztof Komeda Date: 08 Feb 1999 09:53:04 EST In a message dated 2/8/99 9:46:07 AM, brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu writes: << A friend tells me that Komeda's work on disc has been almost impossible to come by in the US but that he thinks some stuff ('Rosemary's Baby') has just been issued. >> Other Music just got in a compilation or two of his sixties stuff, although there's a disclaimer sticker on it to the effect of "this disc won't play in many older and multi-disc CD players." Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 08 Feb 1999 11:26:27 -0400 >been away for a while, so I'm kind of falling in into this thread. I=20 >think comparing Meshuggah to Zorn stuff is impossible when trying to=20 >match genre-like parallels.=20 I suppose you missed that portion of the thread, but the Meshuggah-Zorn= comparison came about as a result of someone actually asking us to describe= Meshuggah with reference to Zorn, so I made the Naked City/Painkiller -= Meshuggah comparison because it seemed most appropriate when considering= Zorn's body of work. >I disagree with you. To my opinion they come from a mixture of=20 >death-metal (especially Death and Cynic) and people like Allan=20 >Holdsworth and Frank Zappa. I read an interview with Tomas Haake,=20 >Meshuggah's drummer, last week and he stated Death's Human is his=20 >alltime favourite metal album (and is he right!!!). _Human_ is a great album! Speaking of Cynic, I recently ordered the new= instrumental album from former Cynic bassis Sean Malone called "Gordian= Knot." The album features former Cynic drummer Sean Reinert (who also= played on the previosly mentioned DEATH album), Trey Gunn (Warr guitar -= King Crimson), Ron Jarzombek (guitar - Watchtower, Spastic Ink) and John= Myung (Dream Theater - plays chapman stick on two songs). I am still= waiting for it to arrive and will send a message with a brief review when= it does.=20 Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: anyone in NYC want to talk to ben neill/page hamilton? Date: 08 Feb 1999 08:53:51 -0800 On Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:25:23 -0800 (PST) the patron saint of pedarests wrote: > > Hi. As the editor of the knitting factory's still-fetal fanzine, I was > wondering if anyone who's seriously hip to modern electronic would > like to help me interview Ben Neill and Page Hamilton when they play > at the knit this saturday (opening for Scanner)? I have the Page > Hamilton angle covered, so i really need people who are highly > knowledgeable in the electronic music dept., especially where Mr. > Neill is concerned. E-mail me at rudycrew@yahoo.com with a short > background sketch if interested. we'll talk about getting you into the > show for free. Sorry about the lack of Zorn content. Pleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssse!!!!!! Don't spend 100 lines talking about his mutatrumpet... Patrice (appaled by most of the recent Ben Neill interviews). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Tapia Subject: Re: trash davis etc etc Date: 08 Feb 1999 10:40:48 -0000 >Subject: Re: trash davis etc etc >Sent: 2/8/19 12:23 AM >Received: 2/8/99 10:29 AM >From: Eric Martens, ericmartens@yahoo.com >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >I don't have "@ Fillmore," but I've been listening to "Black Beauty" a >lot lately, and I know what you're talking about, though it reminded >me less of Naked City than Last Exit, maybe just b/c Chick Corea's >elec. piano sometimes almost sounds like Sonny Sharrock. > I'd agree with that now that I think about it. >Speaking of Corea, between "Black Beauty" and Pete (La Roca) Sims' >"Turkish Women @ the Bath" (excellent CD, & cheap too), he's been >impressing me a lot lately. What's some other good Corea worth picking >up? > I used to be a lot more into Corea than I am now. ( His work of late strikes me mostly as mindless chops on parade) but his earlier work is deffinatly worth checking out. Some of my favorites: _Now He Sings, Now He Sobs_ _The Song of Singinging_ _Return to Forever_ (The original album with Arto, Flora, Stan Clarke, and Joe Farrell) _Voyage_ (Duets with Steve Kujala) His works w/ Mike Longo (sp?) and Gary Burton are also other albums you might want to check out. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "hijk" Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 08 Feb 1999 12:45:25 -0500 I recently ordered the new instrumental album from former Cynic bassis Sean Malone called "Gordian Knot." The album features former Cynic drummer Sean Reinert (who also played on the previosly mentioned DEATH album), Trey Gunn (Warr guitar - King Crimson), Ron Jarzombek (guitar - Watchtower, Spastic Ink) and John Myung (Dream Theater - plays chapman stick on two songs). I am still waiting for it to arrive and will send a message with a brief review when it does. I've heard it and I love it. It can get a little mechanical sounding, but then a human element pops up and surprises you. Some of it is reminiscent of Peter Gabriel's Last Temptation Score. JK hijk@gateway.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Saleski Subject: Re: Trash Davis etc etc Date: 08 Feb 1999 13:24:57 -0500 > > I used to be a lot more into Corea than I am now. ( His work of late > strikes me mostly as mindless chops on parade) but his earlier work is > deffinatly worth checking out. > > Some of my favorites: > > _Now He Sings, Now He Sobs_ > _The Song of Singinging_ > _Return to Forever_ (The original album with Arto, Flora, Stan Clarke, > and Joe Farrell) > _Voyage_ (Duets with Steve Kujala) > His works w/ Mike Longo (sp?) and Gary Burton are also other albums you > might want to check out. > > - - > i've got a tape of a Corea lp. called A.R.C which was done with Barry Altshul & Dave Holland. lots of really cool kinda-free stuff. unfortunately, i don't think it ever made it to cd. i'd love to be wrong about this. -- Mark Saleski - marks@foliage.com "Everything you can imagine is real." -- Picasso - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 08 Feb 1999 13:29:21 -0400 >I've heard it and I love it. It can get a little mechanical sounding, but >then a human element pops up and surprises you. Some of it is reminiscent >of Peter Gabriel's Last Temptation Score. Speaking of which, I just got "Passion Sources" in the mail today, which is the original music that inspired Passion (one of my all time favorite albums!). Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blind Subject: Fred Frith - 'Allies' techniques Date: 08 Feb 1999 19:57:20 +0200 Recently played with some algorithmic compositional software and found out interesting resemblance between (for example) random probabilities note treatment and some parts of this album. Don't want to involve computers here; it just looks like some kind of atonal technique. Any opinions or reviews found on this? L.B. (Maybe it's just a wrong parallel i've drawn.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blind Subject: Fred Frith - 'Allies' techniques Date: 08 Feb 1999 20:58:10 +0200 Recently played with some algorithmic compositional software and found out interesting resemblance between (for example) random probabilities note treatment and some parts of this album. Don't want to involve computers here; it just looks like some kind of atonal technique. Any opinions or reviews found on this? L.B. (Maybe it's just a wrong parallel i've drawn.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: Krzysztof Komeda Date: 08 Feb 1999 20:18:47 +0100 > Anyone familiar with his recorded work? Artur, you > must have some, no? I used to have vinyls some time ago, but at the moment I heard Zorn I got rid of it ;-) Sorry Bjoern... Komeda's "opera omnia" was curently re-issued by Power Bros Records www.powerbros.com.pl (this server is not responding at the time I'm writing it). All os these CD-reissues were "authorised" by his wife Zofia, so this series should be a kind of final reference. Komeda's music is very popular in Poland and in Europe at the moment, thanks to one of the best polish jazz musicians Tomasz Stanko (tp). His "Litania" CD was one of the best-sellers of past year in Europe in jazz cathegory. He was a member of Komeda's band, and the music on this CD is re-work of the old tunes he played with Komeda about 30 years ago. More Zorn-oriented content now: the tune from "Rosmary's Baby", called "Sleep Safe and Warm" was played by Naked City but never released (Patrice please correct me if I'm wrong). I have a CDR bootleg with a show from Bremen, Germany form 3th of October 1989 with Naked City's version. It's a straight-forward version comparing to Stanko's version of Komeda tunes. My friend (the second polish member of this list...) drove Fred Frith to Bydgoszcz recently, where Fred played improv show, they were listening to the recording of this concert, and Fred said "this was pretty good evening, play it louder!" One more Polanski/Komeda recommendation: "Knife in the water" is THE movie. You have to see it if you like "Rosemary's Baby". __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno AT silesia.top.pl] www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: trash davis etc etc Date: 08 Feb 1999 14:01:44 -0600 (CST) On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Doug Tapia wrote: > >Speaking of Corea, between "Black Beauty" and Pete (La Roca) Sims' > >"Turkish Women @ the Bath" (excellent CD, & cheap too), he's been > >impressing me a lot lately. What's some other good Corea worth picking > >up? > > > I used to be a lot more into Corea than I am now. ( His work of late > strikes me mostly as mindless chops on parade) but his earlier work is > deffinatly worth checking out. One of definitely interest to out-music listeners: "Circle: Paris Concert", with Corea, Anthony Braxton, Dave Holland, and Barry Altschul. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: trash davis etc Date: 08 Feb 1999 13:29:11 -0800 Marcin Gokieli wrote: > Oh! i forgot! one more - absolutely off topic- thing. Does anybody know > where can i get ANY Zappa videos? > my friend whom i turned on to ZAppa sends me concerts he gets off the interent on zip disc. check there - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Risser Subject: Zornies Date: 08 Feb 1999 17:30:08 -0500 Well, sorry it's been so long, but I don't know what to do with the responses I got. I didn't get enough material for overlap, so in many categories, I've got ten individual nominations, which is too much for a voting public, plus many are pretty obscure. In other categories, I've got one or two items with duplicates, but that's still not enough to weed out the individuals and come up with four or five items to vote on. So, the Zornies have sort of died a hesitant death, unless I can get more nominations. Maybe next year. In the meantime, if you want a copy of the results, I can mail you an XL spreadsheet. Also, I'm thinking of allowing seconded nominations. That means, you can go through the list and increase someone's count by 1 if you think they deserve it. Maybe, something like that. Anyway, here's a sum of the categories that did have a few multiple answers: ============================================== Best solo performer: Marc Ribot had two nominations. TONS of other people had one. Best group of performers (two or more, who consistently play together as a group): Masada and Masada Chamber Ensemble topped with two. Again, lots had one. Best meeting of performers (two or more, playing together, but not as a consistent group): Several individuals, but no duplicates Best New Artist (someone who recently came into critical acclaim in '98 though they could have been working in the industry previously): Air had two, but I think that's because two Air fans turned in results. Best Album of 1998: Circle Maker by Zorn hands down with four nominations, Air second with two. :) Best Song of 1998: Not the best category. A few entries. Best Reissued Album: Quincy Jones' Big Band Bossa Nova had two, plus a few other people who couldn't agree. Best Reissued Box Set (multiple albums): Coltrane's Village Vanguard sessions, the Painkiller Box, the Miles Bitches Brew sessions and the Rhino Bacharach set, all clocked in with two. Best Retrospective (Single Artist Compilation): Two entries. Best Various Artist Compilation: The Marc Bolan/TRex tribute on Tzadik had two, plus a few others. (PS: I thought this album was very weak BTW, especially compared to the Serge) Best Packaging: A handful of entries. Best Liner Notes: Another disparate handful. (The following categories include both new albums and reissues for 1998) Best DnB/Techno/Dance: Not many here. I thought there'd be more. Best Improvisational: A few more than dance, but not many. Best Free Jazz: David S Ware: Go See the World with 2. Best Standard Jazz: Scofield with Scofield a GoGo and Frisell/Hersch with Songs We Know, both with two. Best Soundtrack: Filmworks 8 hands down with 3 nominations, but people couldn't decide which movie they liked better. Should that be two different soundtrack nominations? Best Classical: A smattering Best Electro-Acoustic or Computer (non-dance): A slightly larger smattering Best Pop, Rock, or Rock-Based: Again, the only dupe was Air Best Spoken Word: A few Best Noise: No winners, although Aube and Sonic Youth both show up twice for different albums Best Ambient: A few more Best Remix (album or song): four. (The following are for Live Performances in 1998. Please attempt to include approximate date and venue.) The live stuff was interesting. Mostly rock/pop and improv, naturally. But again, no common threads. :( (The following are meant to honor artists that had releases, re-releases or tours in 1998, preferably artists that performed consistently well throughout the year.) Best Sax Player: Zorn, go figure, (with 5) and Joe McPhee (with 2) Best Brass Player: Dave Douglas (with 5) Best Drummer: Joey Baron (with 8) Best Guitarist: Bill Frisell (4), Derek Bailey (2) and Marc Ribot (6) Best Piano/Keyboard: Anthony Coleman (3), Uri Caine (4) and John Medeski (3) Best Bass Player: Mark Dresser, Greg Cohen and Trevor Dunn (each with 2) Best Sampler/Turnables: no agreement Best Vocals: Mike Patton (2) Best Remixer: No agreement Notice a pattern in the artist section? Sounds like people were really digging on Masada this year. Go figure! Peter - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Meta Subject: CDs for sale-- no Zorn content (oops!) Date: 08 Feb 1999 21:43:38 -0500 Hi everyone, Just thought this might be of interest to some members of the list.... This coming spring Trevor Dunn (of Mr. Bungle) will have a new CD released (one of his many side projects), but I happen to have 5 copies to sell right NOW. The CD is titled _Debutantes and Centipedes_. It's a trio consisting of bass (Trevor of course), guitar (Adam Levy) and percussion (Kenny Wollesen). It is Trevor's original compositions-- 9 songs and self-produced. I hate trying to describe music... so you'll just have to take my word for it when I say that it's really quite impressive. *The CDs are $15, US funds. *If any Canadians are interested, since I am living in Canada I will take Canadian funds (although I would prefer US currency)-- the price is $23 CAN. If anyone is interested, feel free to email me privately: golgi@sympatico.ca thanks-- m. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Corea A.R.C. [was Re: Trash Davis etc etc] Date: 09 Feb 1999 00:20:11 -0500 Mark Saleski wrote: > i've got a tape of a Corea lp. called A.R.C which was done with Barry Altshul & Dave Holland. > lots of really cool kinda-free stuff. unfortunately, i don't think it ever made it to cd. i'd > love to be wrong about this. You'll be happy to know that you are wrong. Currently in print on ECM, catalog number 78118-21009-2 And everything on ECM can now be ordered from their website, even if it's not available domestically where you live. http://www.ecmrecords.com Other Corea in this vein is heard on the ECM double-album by Circle aleady mentioned in this thread, which added Anthony Braxton on reeds with the trio that made A.R.C., and the Blue Note CD "Early Circle" by same, which may well be out of print but could probably be found with some effort. The usenet group rec.music.bluenote was buzzing about the impending reissue of other material by Circle last year, but I don't know that this ever happened. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - American Music Club, "The Hopes and Dreams of Heaven's 10,000 Whores," _Mercury_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 09 Feb 1999 01:08:03 -0400 >I like City alot too but the additional production and "slower" songs >make it less appealing to me. I love the "slower" songs. I think they are as heavy as the faster material... and you are going to be hard pressed to find a much faster or more intense song than "Home Nucleonics." Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell] Date: 09 Feb 1999 01:17:54 -0500 Rick Lopez wrote: > recently I bought the three Soul Coughing CDs, then discovered that they > all had connections to the Knit and environs. Anyone out there able to > expand on who these guys are, where they came from, other recordings any of > them have appeared on, etc.? Keyboardist Mark De Gli Antoni is a composer and was a member of the collective Rough Assemblage (with Norman Yamada and the late Eric Qin), which released an album on Avant. He contributed to, but did not play on, David Shea's "Hsi-Yu Chi" (Tzadik), Ikue Mori's "Hex Kitchen" (Tzadik) and Zeena Parkins's "Isabelle" (Avant). I remember reading that he had a Composers Series release under his own name coming from Tzadik, but don't know if it's out yet. Bassist Sebastian Steinberg played on Suzanne Vega's "Nine Objects of Desire" (A&M). But, more to the point, he played on percussionist Samm Bennett's "The Big Off" (Knitting Factory) and Marc Ribot's "Shrek" (Avant). And he's on Cibo Matto's excellent debut EP. Drummer Yuval Gabay also played on "Nine Objects of Desire," but longtime Knitting Factory followers will know him better for having been the drummer for Samm Bennett's group Bosho (hey, even after so many years, "Yuval Gabay" is one hell of a hard name to forget!), and also having played on Hassan Hakmoun's "Zahar." Vocalist M Doughty used to be a music critic and the doorman at the old Knitting Factory... All of the above (aside from Gabay) appear in some capacity or another on the Knitting Factory compilation of Zorn's "Cobra." And I'm sure there's more I couldn't find or have forgotten. (Patrice?) I don't own any Soul Coughing records, but the one time I heard them play at the Knit during my tenure there, I was rather impressed. This evening's entertainment has been brought to you courtesy of my vague recollections, www.allmusic.com, www.knittingfactory.com, and, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Meshuggah, "Sane," _Chaosphere_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Seth Gordon Subject: Live MMW Date: 09 Feb 1999 04:17:32 -0500 A couple months back, someone posted an address for a few live MMW .mp3s- if it's not too much to ask (assuming they're still up) could that special someone please repost the FTP? Thanks -S. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Takemitsu (was Komeda) Date: 09 Feb 1999 06:13:01 -0500 At 09:35 AM 2/8/99 -0500, brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote: > > For that matter, I also saw 'Kwaidan' with a spare, fascinating > soundtrack by Takemitsu. Recommendations of his work, soundtrack or > otherwise, would also be appreciated. Can't go wrong with the film music set released last year or so on Nonesuch, a collection of pieces from various films. Apart from that, November Steps, for orchestra, biwa and is a classic. The old version I've got is side four of Messaien's Turangalila Symphony, conducted by Ozawa, but there's probably at least one other version available. If you're into solo piano music, his is very nice as well. There's an old release by Roger Woodward, which includes an aleatoric piece called Corona, which is very nice, but the traditional (i.e., notated) pieces are well crafted, very atmospheric. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Computers are useless; they can only give you answers -- Pablo Picasso - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Verstraeten" Subject: derek bailey new cd (for european listmembers) Date: 09 Feb 1999 04:17:19 PST Dear Bailey boys and girls, For those who are looking for a copy of 'Aida's call' and 'Playbacks', the cheapast way for europeans is to order them directly from INCUS records. Their price is 12 pound each (including p&p). The 'new' album by Bailey, Stevens and Watts will be available soon. Further info is available from: >From: "INCUS" <113426.2337@compuserve.com> Hope this helps 'the habitants of the old continent' Stefan Verstraeten. sverstraeten@hotmail.com NP Robert Musso : Active Resonance (Brian Olewinck.... you defintely rule man... thank you for sending me this stuff) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: "PLAY online" (a bit off topic) Date: 10 Feb 1999 00:59:02 +1100 Has anyone ever dealt with these folks? http://www.tunes.com/tunes-cgi2/tunes/ch_index/248 They offer an amazing deal of 12 free CDs if you promise to order 5 over the next 2 years. I admit, their selection isn't spectacular, but if you search hard enough you can find some good stuff. However, I am a bit of a sceptic, so obviously don't trust such a strangely good deal. Can anyone vouch for them? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Martens Subject: Re: "PLAY online" (a bit off topic) Date: 09 Feb 1999 06:36:35 -0800 (PST) I've been a member of PLAY for about a year now (never used the online svcs though) & I've never had any problems w/ them. Like you said, the selection isn't all that great, but I've found enough good stuff to make it worthwhile. The catch is that the 12 free CDs are going to end up costing you like $50 in shipping. One great thing is that about every six months they have a big sale on box sets, plus all kinds of buy-one-get-two-type deals. I got the Coletrane Village Vanguard box plus two other CDs for like $35 not too long ago. Eric ---Julian wrote: > > Has anyone ever dealt with these folks? > > http://www.tunes.com/tunes-cgi2/tunes/ch_index/248 > > They offer an amazing deal of 12 free CDs if you promise to order 5 over > the next 2 years. I admit, their selection isn't spectacular, but if you > search hard enough you can find some good stuff. However, I am a bit of a > sceptic, so obviously don't trust such a strangely good deal. Can anyone > vouch for them? > > > - > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: Takemitsu Date: 09 Feb 1999 09:41:11 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Caleb T. Deupree wrote: > Can't go wrong with the film music set released last year or so on > Nonesuch, a collection of pieces from various films. i just saw a number of 1960's japanese "new wave" films at the national gallery, which feature takemitsu scores and by far the best of the bunch (both filmicly and musically) was teshigahara's "woman in the dunes." has anyone ever seen this soundtrack released by itself? the only takemitsu film music i've been able to find is the nonesuch disc. b - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis summers Subject: Orange Then Blue Date: 09 Feb 1999 08:08:26 -0700 A few years back at the Detroit Montreaux Jazz Festival, I saw a band called Orange Then Blue while I was waiting for someone else. I was struck by how good they were, and then never picked up any discs by them. Well, this past weekend I was in Chicago and stopped at the Jazz Record Mart, where I blew a small fortune on cds in the clearance bin. I picked up all the weird stuff that we listen to all at half price, including a bunch of Steve Beresford, and an Orange Then Blue double disk set. Now this may be common knowledge amongst you zornsters, but imagine my surprise when I found that both Dave Douglas and Chris Speed were/are(?) members of this band. Is it a safe bet that the band is no longer together? Anyway I would definitely recommend these guys to all you folks out there. yours in zornocity --ds ***Quantum Dance Works*** ****http://ic.net/~denniss**** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Lacy Date: 09 Feb 1999 10:02:52 -0500 Anyone heard the Lacy disc on Tzadik, 'Sands'? Comments? Brian Olewnick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: "PLAY online" (a bit off topic) Date: 09 Feb 1999 10:42:28 -0400 Play is actually run by Columbia House, which I am sure you are familiar= with. It is their new program where you don't have to return cards in order= to decline and order, which was most people's complaints about the original= Columbia House deal... no one could stay on top of the cards and kept= getting shitty CDs delivered to their house.=20 Columbia House has recently been promoting the hell out of Play. They are= one of the clients at my job. tunes.com is probably an affiliate site,= which means they get $10 any time someone signs up for Play via their web= site. We have the same deal at my job. As it is Columbia House, they will= certainly be reliable although, like a credit card, it is not guarenteed= that they will accept your membership, but give it a try! BMG actually has= a better deal (or did, when I joined) where you get 10-12 CDs free (I don't= remember what the exact number was) and you only have to buy ONE additional= CD over a one year period. Hell with it. Join both! Greg http://www.unchain.com/ -------------------Original Message------------------- >Has anyone ever dealt with these folks? > >http://www.tunes.com/tunes-cgi2/tunes/ch_index/248 > >They offer an amazing deal of 12 free CDs if you promise to order 5 over >the next 2 years. I admit, their selection isn't spectacular, but if you >search hard enough you can find some good stuff. However, I am a bit of a >sceptic, so obviously don't trust such a strangely good deal. Can anyone >vouch for them? > > >- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Zornies Date: 09 Feb 1999 11:07:51 -0500 (EST) Peter: It was a valiant effort, but the entries sorta seem to have the thought process of a Playboy Jazz & Pop poll behind them. Perhaps it's an idea whose time has passed or hasn't yet arrived. Mingus didn't believe in polls anyways. And John Diefenbacker, a Canadian prime minister, once opined: "Polls are for dogs". Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: Caine/Corea Date: 09 Feb 1999 15:51:09 GMT0BST Combining two threads, I'd like to second the recommendation of Uri Caine's Blue Wail - if you like the trio stuff on Sphere and Toys, you'll love this. Likewise: Corea's Now He Sings album. Tho' obviously very different from his bitchin' electric piano on the Miles' live releases, this stuff certainly stands up. Am I alone in thinking that (pace, the Penguin Guide, for instance) Caine sounds a lot more like this vintage Corea than he does, Herbie Hancock? By the way, Chick also plays drums on At Fillmore!! (And Black Beauty?) Sean - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: Komeda Date: 09 Feb 1999 16:03:23 GMT0BST I don't know if this has been covered, but I recently saw a batch of Komeda discs in a well known chainstore associated with a spectacularly unsuccessful around the world balloonist. (It would be shorter, and perhap more accurate to say, associated with a balloon). They were all on the same label and I got the impression that they were part of a comprehensive or at least serious reissue programme. I only go in that shop to check for general availability of stuff, and, assuming that these would be generally available, I didn't take serious notes ... mail me if you want me to take details next time I'm there. Sean - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: "PLAY online" (a bit off topic) Date: 09 Feb 1999 09:06:33 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Julian > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 5:59 AM > Has anyone ever dealt with these folks? They're just the same Columbia House people under another name, so you get the same deal (if you're familiar with CH, that is). Get 12 Miles Davis discs and you'll be fine. =) Check out this page for more info: http://www.cd-clubs.com/ Later, Ben np: captain beefheart, "lick my decals off, baby" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/ ICQ# 12832406 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Tapia Subject: Re: Caine/Corea Date: 09 Feb 1999 10:31:06 -0000 >Subject: Re: Caine/Corea >Sent: 2/3/19 6:07 PM >Received: 2/9/99 9:47 AM >From: DR S WILKIE, S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Am I >alone in thinking that (pace, the Penguin Guide, for instance) Caine >sounds a lot more like this vintage Corea than he does, Herbie >Hancock? > I can't speak for anyone else on the list, but as someone who makes much of his living by playing jazz piano I hear Herbie _ALL OVER_ Uri Caine's playing. _Toys_ sounds like it could be a lost Herbie album at times, and Uri tends to show Herbie's influence all over his playing. It's been a while since I've put on Dave Douglas' _In Our Lifetime_ and _Stargazer_, but I remember thinking that several of Caine's solos (and comping) on these disks was textbook Hancock. (This in no way diminishes my high opinion of Caine's playing.) In fact, once the drumer from my trio and I were driving across country in a rental car and I had _Stargazer_ playing while I was driving at about 4:30 in the morning. He awoke in the middle of one of Caine's solos and asked me, "What Herbie disk is this? I've never heard it." This is not to say that there is not Corea influence in Caine's playing: You'd have to have been living in a cave (or Wynton Marsalis' house) for the last 30 years not to be a little influenced by Chick. But what I hear in Chick is a lot of Bartok and harder edged Ravel, and by turns McCoy, where whith Herbie, I hear more Bill Evans and Debusy. (I realize that this is a horible oversimplification, but it at least gives you an idea of where my head is) In reality, both Herbie and Chick (and Bill Evans) owe a great deal to Andrew Hill, but that is perhaps a discussion left for another list. I would be interested in hearing other list members' opinions on Caine's pianistic origins (and for that matter other dowtown pianists' as well) If this is too outside of this list's scope, please email me privatly. peace, -Doug - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: Caine/Corea Date: 09 Feb 1999 16:04:25 -0300 Doug wrote: >You'd have to have been living in a cave (or Winton Marsalis' house) >for the last 30 years not to be a little influenced by Chick... This is amazing. It really made me laugh. One of the best comments of the day. I do agree with you Doug. >would be interested in hearing other listmembers' opinions on Caine's Caine undoubtedly is a great piano player (though I'm closer to Mengelberg and Coleman) and I enjoyed him a lot in Toys and Primal Light as well. Also on Stargazer. My most recent Caine's pick up was Sphere Music and I trying to get in, nevertheless I expect to pick up Blue Wail (Winter & Winter) in the next future just to have a better approach on his playing in a trio context. Just my two cents. Hugo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug Tapia Subject: Re: Orange Then Blue Date: 09 Feb 1999 12:16:18 -0000 >Subject: Orange Then Blue >Sent: 2/10/19 1:43 AM >Received: 2/9/99 9:47 AM >From: dennis summers, denniss@ic.net >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >A few years back at the Detroit Montreaux Jazz Festival, I saw a band called >Orange Then Blue while I was waiting for someone else. Man, I'd completly forgotten about this band. An old composition teacher of mine turned me on to them about seven years ago. He was a very inovative jazz aranger, but wasn't too into the whole downtown scene (which was much more underground at the time) This was my first introduction to Douglas, Speed, and others. So what lable was this on? All I've got is a bad casette dub that I haven't listened to in years. I'd love to pick some of this up. Thanks in advance, -Doug - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blind Subject: :: Krzysztof Penderecki Date: 09 Feb 1999 11:46:31 +0200 While discussing Komeda I'd like to put a question more or less relative: have you seen some issues of Krzysztof Penderecki's works? It seems to me there are only vinyls old as the compositions themselves. The only CD I could get was on EMI Matrix series #5. Looking esp. for 'Polymorphia' and similar works. Thanks, L.B. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: :: Krzysztof Penderecki Date: 09 Feb 1999 12:14:37 -0800 On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:46:31 +0200 Blind wrote: > > While discussing Komeda I'd like to put a question more or less > relative: have you seen some issues of Krzysztof Penderecki's works? > It seems to me there are only vinyls old as the compositions > themselves. The only CD I could get was on EMI Matrix series #5. > Looking esp. for 'Polymorphia' and similar works. Here, in Portland (OR), there are at least 5-6 different Penderecki at Tower Records. This is above average for a post WW2 contemporary composer. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: :: Krzysztof Penderecki Date: 09 Feb 1999 15:19:47 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Blind wrote: > While discussing Komeda I'd like to put a question more or less > relative: have you seen some issues of Krzysztof Penderecki's works? > It seems to me there are only vinyls old as the compositions > themselves. The only CD I could get was on EMI Matrix series #5. > Looking esp. for 'Polymorphia' and similar works. there is some stuff available of wergo, which you can access through forced exposure. b - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Rath Subject: Re: :: Krzysztof Penderecki Date: 09 Feb 1999 14:18:36 -0600 >While discussing Komeda I'd like to put a question more or less >relative: have you seen some issues of Krzysztof Penderecki's works? >It seems to me there are only vinyls old as the compositions >themselves. The only CD I could get was on EMI Matrix series #5. >Looking esp. for 'Polymorphia' and similar works. The most comprehensive set I've found so far is the series put out on the Polish label Polskie Nagrania in 1989. There are five volumes (that I've found, anyway): Vol. 1: (Double Disc) St. Luke's Passion Threnody to the victims of Hiroshima Polymorphy String Quarter No. 1 Psalms of David Dimensions of Time and Silence Vol. 2: Utrenya Vol. 3: Violin Concerto Symphony No. 2 "Christmas Symphony" Vol. 4: Cello Concerto No. 2 The Awakening of Jacob Adagietto from "Paradise Lost" Concerto for Viola and Orchestra Vol. 5: (Double Disc) Polish Requiem Dies Irae I've seen a few other single disc collections out there, but most of them duplicate the stuff on this series. Not sure where to find it, though. I found mine scattered all over the place. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell] Date: 09 Feb 1999 16:35:57 EST Sebastian Steinberg also was one of the first bass players in Masada. I have also seen a few of the other Soul Coughing guys (can't remember the names) playing with Marc Ribot, the last time was a couple of years ago with his group "People Who Only Need a Beat". -Jody - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott" Subject: Re: :: Krzysztof Penderecki Date: 09 Feb 1999 22:17:46 +0000 >The most comprehensive set I've found so far is the series put out on the >Polish label Polskie Nagrania in 1989. There are five volumes (that I've >found, anyway): > As it happens I have both these volumes on my exchange list at the moment. MAil me offlist if anyone is interested. > >Vol. 3: > Violin Concerto > Symphony No. 2 "Christmas Symphony" > >Vol. 4: > Cello Concerto No. 2 > The Awakening of Jacob > Adagietto from "Paradise Lost" > Concerto for Viola and Orchestra > > >- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "hijk" Subject: Re: Orange Then Blue Date: 09 Feb 1999 17:20:09 -0500 >So what lable was this on? All I've got is a bad casette dub that I >haven't listened to in years. I'd love to pick some of this up. The double CD, "While you were out..." is on GM Recordings and the band is more or less led by drummer (and son of Gunther) George Schuller. I'm not sure if it's still in print, I got mine from George several years ago when they played at the Damrosch Park Bandshell at Lincoln Center. They were great, and even better was an older gentleman who got up in the middle of the show a nd stormed out exclaiming, "that's not Jazz!" The rest of the band is Dave Ballou/Bob Bowlby/Peter Cirelli/Matt Darriau/Paul Del Nero/Tim Ray/Rick Stepton/Mark Taylor and Cuong Vu. Jeff Kent hijk@gateway.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren Subject: Re: Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell] Date: 09 Feb 1999 17:05:33 -0500 MEEP! Steve Smith wrote: >Vocalist M Doughty used to be a music critic and the doorman at the old >Knitting Factory... ...and heck, if anybody is looking to hear his work in a not-so-Soul-Coughing context, he was responsible for a couple of tracks on Tomato Records' Poemfone CD, _New Word Order_ a while back. In the frighteningly mainstream category, there have also been a handful of SC tracks featured on The X Files at one point or another... I'm fairly sure that at least one of 'em found its way on to one of the soundtrack discs that was released a while back, though I couldn't say what it is/was or if it is available elsewhere. -me - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shep@globetrotter.net Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 09 Feb 1999 18:08:25 -0500 > >been away for a while, so I'm kind of falling in into this thread. I > >think comparing Meshuggah to Zorn stuff is impossible when trying to > >match genre-like parallels. > > I suppose you missed that portion of the thread, but the Meshuggah-Zorn comparison came about as a result of someone actually asking us to describe Meshuggah with reference to Zorn, so I made the Naked City/Painkiller - Meshuggah comparison because it s eemed most appropriate when considering Zorn's body of work. > And as the guy that asked, I have to say that I do grok the comparison. I've laid hands on some Meshuggah (and some Gorguts, and some Strapping Young Lad) since I asked, and I can see the similarity in the spirit of musical abandonment, if not precise instrumentation or technique. Matt Shepherd shep@globetrotter.net "I had a dog named Shep. He was a good dog, too." - E. Presley Matt Shepherd shep@globetrotter.net "I had a dog named Shep. He was a good dog, too." - E. Presley Matt Shepherd shep@globetrotter.net "I had a dog named Shep. He was a good dog, too." - E. Presley - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell] Date: 09 Feb 1999 19:22:36 -0500 Taylor McLaren wrote: > In the frighteningly mainstream category, ... Gosh, I didn't mean to have anyone end up *there*. Thanks for all the responses. Rrrrrrrrrr -- Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp, David S. Ware, and Reggie Workman discographies--Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc., at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k ***Very Various Music For Sale: ***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell] Date: 09 Feb 1999 22:54:43 -0500 IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote: > Sebastian Steinberg also was one of the first bass players in Masada. Right! I'd forgotten about this! He was in that early electric version of Masada with Marc Ribot, wasn't he? I never saw that version. Who was the drummer? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Alex Cline, "Rose Window," _Sparks Fly Upward_ (upcoming release) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 09 Feb 1999 23:56:01 -0400 shep@globetrotter.net wrote: >And as the guy that asked, I have to say that I do grok the >comparison. I've laid hands on some Meshuggah (and some >Gorguts, and some Strapping Young Lad) since I asked, and I can >see the similarity in the spirit of musical abandonment, if not >precise instrumentation or technique. Well, since you have all three, what do you think?? Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell] Date: 10 Feb 1999 01:52:30 -0500 Taylor McLaren wrote: > In the frighteningly mainstream category, there have also been a handful > of SC tracks featured on The X Files at one point or another... I'm fairly > sure that at least one of 'em found its way on to one of the soundtrack > discs that was released a while back, though I couldn't say what it is/was > or if it is available elsewhere. "Unmarked Helicopters" was on the "Songs in the Key of X" compilation in 1996, and was used in one or the other episode (I *think* the second part) of the two-parter "Tempus Fugit"/"Max," in which the conspiracy theorist Max Fenig returned, already dead, in Season Four. The song doesn't seem to be available elsewhere. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com (yahh, you betcha, I'm an X-Flies geek and Scully worshipper...) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "BLA BLA BLA" Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 10 Feb 1999 17:49:07 +1030 >shep@globetrotter.net wrote: > >>And as the guy that asked, I have to say that I do grok the >>comparison. I've laid hands on some Meshuggah (and some >>Gorguts, and some Strapping Young Lad) since I asked, and I can >>see the similarity in the spirit of musical abandonment, if not >>precise instrumentation or technique. > >Well, since you have all three, what do you think?? *snip* Meshuggah would have to be my personal favs out of those three, prolly followed by Strapping Young Lad, and finally gorguts. Technically they're all pretty mindblowing, ...so my favs are pretty much based on personal taste more than anything. Not as technical as a whole band though, but as individual musicians, Nocturnus is very good, both the guitarist play that brand of GIT "intelligent" guitar ( I use the term very loosely when talkinga bout guitar wankery =P) tingeed technical death metal. Unfortunately structurely, as songs go, they are somoewhat inspiring. In terms of sheer rutally they hold their own, for that period of 90's death metal. Just my two cents xNACHTx Currently Playing : Mick Harris + Martyn Bates : Murderr Ballads 3CD - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.T. de Boer" Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 10 Feb 1999 10:08:07 +0200 > >>... and I can > >>see the similarity in the spirit of musical abandonment, if not > >>precise instrumentation or technique. I totally forgot to mention Fredrik Thordendal's (Meshuggah's guitarist) solo-album 'Sol Niger Within'. Imagine Meshuggah going wilder than ever, using church-organs and a distorted saxophone! When I first heard the sax-part my first thought was: is this Zorn? The album was released on UAE-records last year. This is the label of Mats and Morgan, two musicians who were taking part in Zappa's Universe. Thordendal is featured on their first album. One of the songs is an adapted Meshuggah-piece (Zappa, metal, jazzrock, HUMOUR) > Not as technical as a whole band though, but as individual musicians, > Nocturnus is very good, both the guitarist play that brand of GIT > "intelligent" guitar ( I use the term very loosely when talkinga bout guitar > wankery =P) tingeed technical death metal. Unfortunately structurely, as > songs go, they are somoewhat inspiring. In terms of sheer rutally they hold > their own, for that period of 90's death metal. Oh yeah, Nocturnus is great! I saw them once with Confessor. I believe that was in the same year they (Confessor) were taking part in the Gods of Grind tour (together with a.o. Carcass). Another band that can fit the list of technical death is Sadus. Check their 'Visions of Misery'. Jeroen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Douglas Clarke" Subject: What was this? Date: 10 Feb 1999 02:26:53 PST >isis@wantree.com.au wrote: > >Currently Playing : Mick Harris + Martyn Bates : Murderr Ballads 3CD What's this all about? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" Subject: Re: early electric masada was Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell] Date: 10 Feb 1999 12:35:04 +0100 I saw Masada with Ribot (94?), and Joey Baron was grinning away as usual. Who was the cheesy keyboardist then? Stephane -----Original Message----- Cc: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com :IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote: : :> Sebastian Steinberg also was one of the first bass players in Masada. : :Right! I'd forgotten about this! He was in that early electric version of :Masada with Marc Ribot, wasn't he? I never saw that version. Who was the :drummer? : - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Verstraeten" Subject: looking for AUBE cd's...... Date: 10 Feb 1999 03:44:57 PST Hi, I just like to find out who owns the following aube cd's. If possible; i'like to buy or trade them. I am looking for: -Magnetostriction -Infinetly orbit What i have for trade: I have his whole cd output. So if you are looking for a deleted AUBE item, maybe we can help eachother. Best wishes Stefan Verstraeten. sverstraeten@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shep@globetrotter.net Subject: VERY obscure (and fairly off-Zorn) Date: 10 Feb 1999 08:23:35 -0500 Found whilst browsing today in a local record store: BARRY TRUAX: SONIC LANDSCAPES. Out on Melbourne Records (SMLP 4033). Tracks A: She, A Solo (1973) Trigon (1974-75) Tracks B: Sonic Landscape No. 3 (1975) Nautilus (1976) Liner notes written in '77 by Truax himself. Personnel are Truax, Phyllis Mailing, Russell Hartenberger, Kathryn Cernauskas and Arlie Thompson. It looks like Truax is a Vancouverite. A great buy (for a buck!) that I am REALLY digging. Experimental in a jazz sort of way; it kind of reminds me of very, very unevolved versions of ideas that crop up on Naked City's "Absynthe." Do any of these names -- or this recording -- ring a bell for anybody present? Matt Shepherd shep@globetrotter.net "I had a dog named Shep. He was a good dog, too." - E. Presley - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shep@globetrotter.net Subject: (Fwd) Re: Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell] Date: 10 Feb 1999 08:33:18 -0500 > In the frighteningly mainstream category, there have also been a handful > of SC tracks featured on The X Files at one point or another... I'm fairly > sure that at least one of 'em found its way on to one of the soundtrack > discs that was released a while back, though I couldn't say what it is/was > or if it is available elsewhere. "Unmarked Helicopters" was on the 'TV' soundtrack (really just a comp of bands that may or may not have been on the TV show -- some fantastic stuff, some dreadful stuff, all stuff that some guy thought was good at the time.) To the best of my knowledge, U.H. is not available elsewhere. On the even MORE obscure sell-out side, there's a Propellerheads remix of "Super Bon Bon" on the "Dead Man On Campus" soundtrack. Imagine Doughty's singing over a lot of speedy drumming and that's about the size of it. Odd, huh? Matt Shepherd shep@globetrotter.net "I had a dog named Shep. He was a good dog, too." - E. Presley - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shep@globetrotter.net Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 10 Feb 1999 08:33:18 -0500 Date sent: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:56:01 -0400 > shep@globetrotter.net wrote: > > >And as the guy that asked, I have to say that I do grok the > >comparison. I've laid hands on some Meshuggah (and some > >Gorguts, and some Strapping Young Lad) since I asked, and I can > >see the similarity in the spirit of musical abandonment, if not > >precise instrumentation or technique. > > Well, since you have all three, what do you think?? > Well, I don't exactly have...I'm the former Station Manager and currently still DJing at a local campus/community radio station, so I raided their compilations for death metal comps. There's a term I like: 'appreciate, but don't really like.' I can see the skill and complexity involved, but it's just not my cup of tea. Yet. Painkiller grew on me like a weed, though, so I think I'm going to let it percolate for a couple of weeks then give them another go. Matt Shepherd shep@globetrotter.net "I had a dog named Shep. He was a good dog, too." - E. Presley - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 10 Feb 1999 08:37:50 -0400 "J.T. de Boer" wrote: >I totally forgot to mention Fredrik Thordendal's (Meshuggah's=20 >guitarist) solo-album 'Sol Niger Within'.=20 Sounds excellent! Any idea where I could find it? >Oh yeah, Nocturnus is great! I saw them once with Confessor. I=20 >believe that was in the same year they (Confessor) were taking part=20 >in the Gods of Grind tour (together with a.o. Carcass). Another band=20 >that can fit the list of technical death is Sadus. Check their=20 >'Visions of Misery'. I have _Chemical Exposure_ and _Swallowed In Black_. I believe _Visions_ is= the former repackaged, or vice-versa. Good albums... also in the wanking= category, although not as blatant as Nocturnus. Steve DiGiorgio is a great= bassist. I love his fretless work in Death, another technical death metal= band that it would be a crime not to give acclaim to, as theyactually= manage to avoid wanking altogether and write some downright great tunes.= Well, Chuck Schuldiner, that is...=20 Anyone interested can check out the Death interview I did at http://www.unch= ain.com/current/death.html Greg http://www.unchain.com/ NP: nothing - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anne & Dan Dellosso Subject: electric masada Date: 10 Feb 1999 09:44:28 -0800 I saw masada in late 93 or 94, they were billed as Zorn, Ribot, Sebastian and Martin. But Sebastian was not present instead it was Medeski. A great show more groove oriented as can be expected. -dan - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: perojo@unsl.edu.ar Subject: cd stores... Date: 10 Feb 1999 13:10:55 -0300 (GMT-0300) Hi ppl: i need know some (good) cd store address in New York city, plus i need know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japan". Txs in advance. --P . - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vanheumen, Robert" Subject: RE: cd stores... Date: 10 Feb 1999 11:28:15 -0500 hi --P >i need know some (good) cd store address in New York city go to other music, 4th street between broadway and lafayette, you'll have to drag yourself out of there... > >know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japan". as far as i know, you can only get this one as a part of this 4 cd box (Painkiller: The Complete Studio Recordings 1991-1994) which is a pain if you already own 2-and-a-half of the 4 cd's as i do... robert > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: cd stores... Date: 10 Feb 1999 08:43:28 -0800 At 01:10 PM 2/10/99 -0300, perojo@unsl.edu.ar wrote: > >Hi ppl: > i need know some (good) cd store address in New York city, plus i need >know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japan". The best cd store address in New York City is 211 East 5th Street. I think finding "Rituals" will take a religious experience. Jeff Spirer Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html B&W Photos, Words: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/ Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: RE: cd stores... Date: 10 Feb 1999 08:48:02 -0800 At 11:28 AM 2/10/99 -0500, Vanheumen, Robert wrote: > >know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japan". > as far as i know, you can only get this one as a part of this 4 >cd box (Painkiller: The Complete Studio Recordings 1991-1994) which is a >pain if you already own 2-and-a-half of the 4 cd's as i do... The problem is that you only get the music for it... Jeff Spirer Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html B&W Photos, Words: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/ Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Re: cd stores... Date: 10 Feb 1999 18:09:13 +0100 >>know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japan". > as far as i know, you can only get this one as a part of this 4 > cd box (Painkiller: The Complete Studio Recordings 1991-1994) which is a > pain if you already own 2-and-a-half of the 4 cd's as i do... Some confusion... Rituals live in Japan is not included in The Complete Studio Recordings. The one on CSR is 'live in Osaka' or something and was a bonus disk with some pressing of Execution Ground. Rituals live in Japan is another live disk with Haino Keiji guesting on some tracks, and is much better than Live in Osaka. YVes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean Terwilliger" Subject: RE: cd stores... Date: 10 Feb 1999 12:16:38 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Spirer > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 11:48 AM > To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: cd stores... > > > At 11:28 AM 2/10/99 -0500, Vanheumen, Robert wrote: > > > >know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japan". > > as far as i know, you can only get this one as a part of this 4 > >cd box (Painkiller: The Complete Studio Recordings 1991-1994) which is a > >pain if you already own 2-and-a-half of the 4 cd's as i do... > > The problem is that you only get the music for it... > Isn't _Rituals_ not included, but the live set from Excecution ground? -Sean - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: early electric masada was Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell Date: 10 Feb 1999 18:41:08 +0000 hi stephane (and steve, who first asked about the drummer) i remember seeing the electric masada (in europe, ca. 1993?) feat. ribot, but not joey baron. the drummer was a rather young, as far as i remember red-haired guy. (zorn was giving him lots of instructions throughout the whole show.) i'm not quite sure, but i think it was the same guy who's part of the downtown scene who's made himself quite a bit of a name on the drumming scene over the past two years. he's got sthg out on blue note, as far as i remember, and was on the cover of "modern drummer" last year. Stephane Vuilleumier wrote: > > I saw Masada with Ribot (94?), and Joey Baron was grinning away > as usual. Who was the cheesy keyboardist then? > Stephane > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: painkiller "rituals" Date: 10 Feb 1999 18:43:13 +0000 Vanheumen, Robert wrote: > > >know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japan". > as far as i know, you can only get this one as a part of this 4 > cd box (Painkiller: The Complete Studio Recordings 1991-1994) which is a > pain if you already own 2-and-a-half of the 4 cd's as i do... > > robert as far as i remember it was out on toy's factory, and is NOT part of the complete recordings cdon tzadik. that is - as far as i know - NOT live in tokyo, but live in osaka. patRice - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: early electric masada was Soul Coughing [was Re: Jim Thirwell Date: 10 Feb 1999 13:24:21 -0500 (EST) Would the "red haired drummer" be Bill Stewart? Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Rath Subject: Re: What was this? Date: 10 Feb 1999 12:19:42 -0600 >> >>Currently Playing : Mick Harris + Martyn Bates : Murderr Ballads 3CD > >What's this all about? This duo project finds Mick Harris doing instrumental stuff similar to Lull (very dark, very slow, very rumbling) and Martyn Bates on vocals (very quiet, very creepy). The discs (Drift, Passages, and Incest Songs) have 3 or 4 songs on each, dealing with various aspects of Death and Murder in old folk songs. I guess it's been recently reissued as a 3CD set, although I got mine seperately over a couple of years on the Musica Maxima Magnetica label. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: electric masada Date: 09 Feb 1999 14:06:02 -0500 There are some existing tapes of this "Electric Masada" from September 9th and 10th of '94 at CBGB's 313 Gallery. The band was Zorn, John Medeski (organ), Marc Ribot (guitar) and Billy Martin (drums - most likely the "read-haired guy" in the drumming mag). and John Lurie guested the second night. I've been told that this group did a mini-tour but I'm not sure. I do know that "regular" Masada played in Germany in June and Seattle in October so I'm wondering why the electric version came to be... -Tom Pratt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent Burton Subject: alef engineer Date: 10 Feb 1999 14:59:24 -0500 (EST) does anyone know who was the recording engineer on masada's "alef"? i know it was recorded at rpm in new york. b - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Saidel Eric J Subject: Re: electric masada Date: 10 Feb 1999 13:58:23 -0600 (CST) > > There are some existing tapes of this "Electric Masada" from September > 9th and 10th of '94 at CBGB's 313 Gallery. The band was Zorn, John > Medeski (organ), Marc Ribot (guitar) and Billy Martin (drums - most > likely the "read-haired guy" in the drumming mag). and John Lurie > guested the second night. I've been told that this group did a mini-tour > but I'm not sure. I do know that "regular" Masada played in Germany in > June and Seattle in October so I'm wondering why the electric version > came to be... > > -Tom Pratt I would have thought that the electric version came to be earlier than fall of '94. I saw Masada in the fall or winter of '93 with the lineup of Douglas, Cohen, and Baron. However, initially the lineup was to include Ribot instead of Douglas. - eric - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ctonelli@trentu.ca Subject: Experimental resources Date: 10 Feb 1999 15:16:19 -0500 (EST) Does anyone know any really good web sites to check out regarding essays on or interviews with avant performers or composers? Thanks Chris - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Experimental resources Date: 10 Feb 1999 15:46:12 -0600 (CST) On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 ctonelli@trentu.ca wrote: > Does anyone know any really good web sites to check out regarding essays > on or interviews with avant performers or composers? One starting point would be Thomas moore's New Music Links at http://research.umbc.edu/~tmoore/musiclinks.html There are tons of interviews with composers in RealAudio format at Kalvos and Damian's New Music Bazaar, http://www.goddard.edu/wgdr/kalvos/kalvos.html - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: eric ong Subject: Re: Takemitsu (update) Date: 10 Feb 1999 17:46:09 -0500 Hello, I stopped by Other Music in NYC today and they had six volumes of Takemitsu's film music for about 24 dollars each (jap imports). The volumes seem categorized by director, with some volumes representing numerous directors. I picked up Volume 4 and it is excellent. About seven songs, some short, one in the +20 minute range. Perhaps you can order them from the OM website if you can't come in person. I'm sorry if this info is redundant, I only get a chance to drop by OM maybe once or twice a month. eric. >> For that matter, I also saw 'Kwaidan' with a spare, fascinating >> soundtrack by Takemitsu. Recommendations of his work, soundtrack or >> otherwise, would also be appreciated. > >Can't go wrong with the film music set released last year or so on >Nonesuch, a collection of pieces from various films. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Takemitsu (update) Date: 10 Feb 1999 18:24:04 EST In a message dated 2/10/99 5:57:30 PM, eso200@is5.nyu.edu writes: << Hello, I stopped by Other Music in NYC today and they had six volumes of Takemitsu's film music for about 24 dollars each (jap imports). The volumes seem categorized by director, with some volumes representing numerous directors. I picked up Volume 4 and it is excellent. About seven songs, some short, one in the +20 minute range. Perhaps you can order them from the OM website if you can't come in person. I'm sorry if this info is redundant, I only get a chance to drop by OM maybe once or twice a month. eric. >> I saw these today. my question for anyone who might know is do any of these (or any other Takemitsu discs) contain any of his electroacoustic pieces? last I heard, none of that was available on CD. Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 10 Feb 1999 21:07:54 EST In a message dated 2/10/99 8:44:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, greg@cnotes.com writes: << "J.T. de Boer" wrote: >I totally forgot to mention Fredrik Thordendal's (Meshuggah's >guitarist) solo-album 'Sol Niger Within'. Sounds excellent! Any idea where I could find it? >> Try the Century Media website- http://www.centurymedia.com/ =dgasque= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beauford Subject: steve reich Date: 11 Feb 1999 0:39:45 EST hi, just looking for some info and recommendations on steve reich. thanks for any help. take it easy. alex - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: re: steve reich Date: 11 Feb 1999 00:55:32 EST 4got 2 send this 2 the list as well. oops In a message dated 2/11/99 12:49:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, posilkin@eden.rutgers.edu writes: > recommendations on steve reich well i think drumming is pretty good. i know there is a version on deutsche grammophone (sp?) and a better version is on a label whose name escapes me (of course). i think the different trains cd is also good, but i think i'm partial 2 that cuz i played it in school. it was actually an occasion where 11 guitar players on the same stage sounded good - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob Allaert" Subject: Give me more Masada Style Date: 11 Feb 1999 07:46:32 +0100 To all JazZorn fans, I recently fell in love with the Masada project. I found Masada 8 in the sales for less than 10 dollars! I never realised at that point that some of the others Masada cd's were there too. I thought they were one and the same cd (same artwork). And now, a few weeks later I bought: Masada 1, Masada 6, Bar Kokhba, The Circle Maker. I'm determined to buy all the Masada's including the live rendition (is the cd good?). But, being hungry for more. I'm surfing through the internet to find more about Zorn's colleagues in (Jewish) Jazz. I found out about, Dave Douglas, Joey Baron(down), Erik Friedlander. What I would like to ask: Can you fellow fans give me masada-like or jazz-like or classical-like cd titles and artists you believe I will be crazy about. The more the better, I just love this kind of jazz. Thanks a lot. Greetings. By the way, any fans from Belgium or Holland ? Rob Allaert, Belgium - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Verstraeten" Subject: Re: derek bailey new cd (for european listmembers) Date: 10 Feb 1999 23:55:14 PST >From: Tom Pratt >Subject: Re: derek bailey new cd (for european listmembers) > >Stefan Verstraeten wrote: > >> Dear Bailey boys and girls, >> >> For those who are looking for a copy of 'Aida's call' and 'Playbacks' > >What is 'Playbacks'????? > > -Tom Pratt I am awaiting my order, this means that so far, I didn't hear the cd yet. But I do know the concept (the album had a review in 'wire' some months ago). Anyway, Sasha Frere Jones (a member of Ui) collected some special recorded tracks (amongst the artists, there is f.e. Loren Mazzacane Connors) and asked Derek Bailey to 'play' along with it (if you can use the word 'play' off course). The idea sounds great however. Best wishes Stefan NP Barbara Streisand: Greatest Hits (yes, I can't believe it myself, I am even singin' along..... help me please, hahahaha) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: derek bailey new cd (for european listmembers) Date: 11 Feb 1999 03:11:17 EST In a message dated 2/11/99 3:05:26 AM, sverstraeten@hotmail.com writes: << >What is 'Playbacks'????? > > -Tom Pratt I am awaiting my order, this means that so far, I didn't hear the cd yet. But I do know the concept (the album had a review in 'wire' some months ago). Anyway, Sasha Frere Jones (a member of Ui) collected some special recorded tracks (amongst the artists, there is f.e. Loren Mazzacane Connors) and asked Derek Bailey to 'play' along with it (if you can use the word 'play' off course). >> Playbacks hasn't been released in the US yet, although I know critics have started to get promo copies, so I'm hoping it'll show up here soon. Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Corey Marc Fogel Subject: dave douglas lives dates Date: 11 Feb 1999 01:14:00 -0700 (MST) can whoever posted those please email them to me? thanks - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Re: steve reich Date: 11 Feb 1999 11:09:39 +0100 >hi, >just looking for some info and recommendations on steve reich. thanks for any >help. take it easy. I'd recommend "Music for 18 Musicians": a minimalist masterpiece ! It starts with a hypnotic pulse that goes on for the entire piece, gradually transforming into beautiful melodies and harmonies. YVes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francisco Fonz-Garcés" Subject: Re: Give me more Masada Style Date: 11 Feb 1999 12:06:48 +0200 Hi, Rob I think you'd enjoy klez bands like Frank London/Greg Wall's Hasidic New Wave and many more on this way (have a look at the Tzadik catalogue on the net and some relatedweb sites under "klez" key). Is not as "hyperfree" as Masada, but also interesting. Ciao Paco Fonz-Garcés - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: elecritc masada drummer Date: 11 Feb 1999 12:40:33 +0000 hi stephane (and steve, who first asked about the drummer) i remember seeing the electric masada (in europe, ca. 1993?) feat. ribot, but not joey baron. the drummer was a rather young, as far as i remember red-haired guy. (zorn was giving him lots of instructions throughout the whole show.) i'm not quite sure, but i think it was the same guy who's part of the downtown scene who's made himself quite a bit of a name on the drumming scene over the past two years. he's got sthg out on blue note, as far as i remember, and was on the cover of "modern drummer" last year. Stephane Vuilleumier wrote: > > I saw Masada with Ribot (94?), and Joey Baron was grinning away > as usual. Who was the cheesy keyboardist then? > Stephane > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: patRice Subject: Re: early electric masadaJim Thirwell Date: 11 Feb 1999 12:45:49 +0000 Ken Waxman wrote: > > Would the "red haired drummer" be Bill Stewart? > > Ken Waxman > cj649@torfree.net yeah, that's the one i mean. (but i'm still not 100 % sure if he was the one that played on that night...) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: early electric masada was Soul Coughing Date: 11 Feb 1999 07:14:45 EST To the best of my knowledge- The first Masada gig(s) were with Baron, Douglas, Cohen, in fall of '93. Then Zorn experimented with the electric lineup, including electric players Medeski, Kato Hideki, Ribot and a few others, augmented by drummers like Ben Perowsky, Kenny Wollesen, Billy Martin, Dougie Bowne, etc... there have been an incredible number of people who have played in Masada at one time or another. A couple of years ago I tried to list everyone that has played with Masada (the quartet), and I will do so again (off the top of my head, I know I am forgetting some people): Joey Baron Dave Douglas Greg Cohen Ben Goldberg Trevor Dunn Dougie Bowne Kato Hideki Ben Perowsky Sebastian Steinberg Marc Ribot John Medeski Billy Martin Kenny Wollesen Mike Sarin Suzie Ibarra Bill Frisell Anthony Coleman John Lurie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard@rcvs.org.uk Subject: New reviews on (musings) Date: 11 Feb 1999 13:30:12 -0000 (musings) =96 http://come.to/musings.com =96 has just received a big update: reviews of 14 recent CD releases, plus three (count =91em) reports from David S Ware=92s recent (ongoing?) tour. Perhaps some of these will be of interest: Eugene Chadbourne: Worms with Strings Joachim Gies: Different Distances Horn/Kendig/Dickey: Screwdriver! Italian Instabile Orchestra: Italian Instabile Festival Libera Societ=E0 di Improvvasazione: Al M=E0laiko Nosk=E8ma Stefano Maltese and Open Sound Ensemble: Living Alive Niels Viggo Bentzon: Solo Piano Improvisations Denmark=92s Intuitive Music Conference 1997 Sound of Choice: Dynamics Graham Halliwell and Simon H Fell: Nine Points in Ascent IST: Ghost Notes Jacques Tremblay: Alibi Darren Copeland: Rendu Visible Tim Hodgekinson: Pragma With the usual apologies for cross-posting (no spam intended), Richard Cochrane Visit (musings), a resource for free jazz, experimental and otherwise non-standard musics: http://come.to/musings.com ...now with its own mailing list, musings-l - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: re: steve reich Date: 11 Feb 1999 08:08:40 -0600 (CST) On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 Sulacco@aol.com wrote: > well i think drumming is pretty good. i know there is a version on deutsche > grammophone (sp?) and a better version is on a label whose name escapes me (of > course). i think the different trains cd is also good, but i think i'm partial > 2 that cuz i played it in school. it was actually an occasion where 11 guitar > players on the same stage sounded good I'd love to hear that played by a live ensemble. I saw Pat Metheny play it at BAM, where he stood there alone and played one of the parts while the others were on tape and, while quite listenable, it seemed kinda pointless. I turned a friend who is a lite-techno fan on to Steve Reich by playing this to him after the Orb's "Little Fluffy Clouds" which sampled it. My favorite of his pieces is Tehillim. I also like Music for 18 Musicians a lot. I understand that a remix album is due soon where various electronica folk rework Reich tracks. Should be intriguing, at least. - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary Ho" Subject: Ribot Score Date: 11 Feb 1999 06:13:49 PST I was just on the website http://moviepeople.hollywood.com and for some reason did a search on Ribot. It came up with a film entitled LANDLORD BLUES (1988) which he and Roy Nathanson are listed as composers for. Has anyone heard the score or seen this movie? The site also had a complete filmography of Evan Lurie. Didnt know he was big into acting in sci-fi/b-movies. Very interesting. It also includes all the film scores he has done. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Saidel Subject: [Fwd: electric masada] Date: 11 Feb 1999 08:48:24 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7032EA47BFA01D9C7345C532 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent to me, but meant for the list. --------------7032EA47BFA01D9C7345C532 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from gateway.net (relay1.gateway.net [208.230.117.231] (may be forged)) by bp.ucs.usl.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/ucs-server_1.3) with ESMTP id OAA16421 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:50:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from oemcomputer (1Cust6.tnt13.tco2.da.uu.net [153.35.173.6]) by gateway.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA21320 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:50:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003601be5537$32a21d80$06ad2399@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >I would have thought that the electric version came to be earlier than >fall of '94. I saw Masada in the fall or winter of '93 with the lineup >of Douglas, Cohen, and Baron. However, initially the lineup was to >include Ribot instead of Douglas. > I have a tape of what Zorn called the first gig with his new band Masada. The two shows were 8/19-20/93 at the old knit. The lineup is: Zorn, Ribot, Perowsky and Katp Hideki on bass. JK hijk@gateway.net --------------7032EA47BFA01D9C7345C532-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 10 Feb 1999 08:32:13 -0400 "BLA BLA BLA" wrote: >Not as technical as a whole band though, but as individual musicians, >Nocturnus is very good, both the guitarist play that brand of GIT >"intelligent" guitar ( I use the term very loosely when talkinga bout guita= r >wankery =3DP) tingeed technical death metal. Unfortunately structurely, as >songs go, they are somoewhat inspiring. In terms of sheer rutally they hold >their own, for that period of 90's death metal. I have Nocturnus' _The Key_ and _Thresholds_. I am much more familiar with= the former and am a fan of it more for the brutality of songs like "Lake of= Fire," "Destroying the Manger" and "Droid Sector" than the musicianship,= which you decribed perfectly as "wankery" (where technicality overshadows= the songwriting). _Thresholds_, from what I recall (it has been a while= since I listened to it), is even more wankerish... I should give it a= listen again, though.=20 Atheist are another great technical death metal band. Their final album,= _Elements_, actually crossed over into jazz and samba at some points. Greg http://www.unchain.com/ NP: Shankar and the Epidemics - (very loooooong title!!) from _Passion Sourc= es_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FJG_Lamerikx Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 11 Feb 1999 16:29:33 +0100 (MET) > Atheist are another great technical death metal band. Their final album, _Elements_, actually crossed over into jazz and samba at some points. There are numerous other examples, of course, but most have been driven to the back of my memory due to excursions into other territories. Although not as technical as some of the stuff mentioned here, I would recommend Morbid Angel's "Altars Of Madness" ('89) as a testimony to the greatness of this genre. Their second album, "Blessed Be The Sick" ('91), is also pretty cool, but suffers a bit from a weak, albeit trademark, Scott Burns production. Also, Dutch band Pestilence did some nice work - in the vein of technicality, their 3rd and 4th albums would have to be recommended, but when it comes to sheer brutality and song-writing, they are overshadowed by the excellent "Consuming Impulse", their second outing. At last, let me mention my favorite which has to be Entombed's "Clandestine", an album that was highly underrated when it first came out (everybody was still intoxicated by the debut, "Left Hand Path", but in my opinion the praise for that album was mainly based on the classic title track). "Clandestine" is one of the albums from that era that I still play regularly, and it has stood the test of time better than any of the other albums mentioned so far in this thread, in my opinion. Excellent song-writing, abnormal brutality, and pretty good chops, especially from the drummer. I remember that, In my high-school days, we listened to an album called "Hymn To Abramelin" by Swiss band Messiah a lot. It featured some kind of weird thrash/death metal, with most of the songs being very, very slow, long before that treatment became a fashion. I've been wanting to get this album, but don't know if it's available any longer. Any comments? Oh, there are also some GREAT Black Metal bands out there. I must especially mention the circle around ULVER, who themselves have just released an album based on "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell" by William Blake. I would have to recommend Ulver's "Bergtatt", Arcturus' "La Masquerade Infernale", and Ved Buens Ende's "Written In Waters" as the highpoints. These bands like to regard themselves as the intellectual elite of the black metal scene, which finds some justification in the way they treat their subject matter, and in the maturity of their song-writing approach. Frankco. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: steve reich Date: 11 Feb 1999 08:12:36 -0800 On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:55:32 EST Sulacco@aol.com wrote: > > well i think drumming is pretty good. i know there is a version on deutsche > grammophone (sp?) and a better version is on a label whose name escapes me (of > course). i think the different trains cd is also good, but i think i'm partial > 2 that cuz i played it in school. it was actually an occasion where 11 guitar > players on the same stage sounded good It is funny to see the qualifier "pretty good" used for Steve Reich :-). Recommendation of Steve Reich works? As a starter, MUSIC FOR 18 MUSICIANS is a must. If you like it, then try TEHILLIM or OCTET, the latter containing the two gorgeous "Octet" and "Music for a Large Ensemble", as well as an older piece for violin ("Violin Phase"). In fact, OCTET might be a perfect first buy because it presents two aspects of Reich's production: the early very minimalist period with "Violin Phase", and the more luscious one (initiated with "Music for 18 Musicians") with "Octet" and "Music for a Large Ensemble". All three records are available on ECM. Nonesuch recently released a new version of MUSIC FOR 18 MUSICIANS which is also fantastic. I second also the recommendation of DRUMMING, although, not knowing the background of the person who asked for advices, I would not recommend it as first buy (it is very long and might appear, on first listening, as a little bit dry (which it is not at all!!!)). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: steve reich Date: 11 Feb 1999 11:13:32 -0500 > On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:09:39 +0100, Yves Dewulf sed > > I'd recommend "Music for 18 Musicians": a minimalist masterpiece ! > It starts with a hypnotic pulse that goes on for the entire piece, > gradually transforming into beautiful melodies and harmonies > Agree with you 100%! A great, timeless work. I'd also recommend "Early Works," which collects Reich's early tape pieces like "Come Out" and "It's Gonna Rain." Fascinating and scary. J -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Williams Date: 11 Feb 1999 11:19:25 -0500 Did anyone attend the Kaiser/Goodman/Oswald performance at roulette? And what's up with their website? It always seems to be 6 months behind. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Give me more Masada Style Date: 11 Feb 1999 11:37:59 -0400 >I'm determined to buy all the Masada's including the live rendition (is the= cd good?).=20 There is a live Masada CD?? I have been refraining from buying the other= Masada discs because I had heard there were plans to release a box set of= all the discs plus two live discs. Anyone know if this is true? Regardless,= any info on the live CD would be great! >I'm surfing through the internet to find more about Zorn's colleagues in >(Jewish) Jazz. I found out about, Dave Douglas, Joey Baron(down), Erik >Friedlander. What I would like to ask: Can you fellow fans give me >masada-like or jazz-like or classical-like cd titles and artists you believ= e >I will be crazy about. The more the better, I just love this kind of jazz. >Thanks a lot. Greetings. Check out Dave Douglas - "Charms of the Night Sky," Erik Friedlander - "The= Watchman," Drew Gress's Jagged Sky - "Heyday," Dave Douglas - "Five." Also, Zorn's "Filmworks 8" is very much in the vein of "The Circle Maker." Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "hijk" Subject: RE: Live Masada CD Date: 11 Feb 1999 12:22:57 -0500 There was a live Masada CD simply called John Zorn Masada Live on Jazz Door, a somewhat infamous bootleg label. I think Zorn himself may have hunted down and killed anyone involved with this. I believe Patrice has it listed in his discography. JK hijk@gateway.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: Give me more Masada Style Date: 11 Feb 1999 11:30:45 -0600 At 11:37 AM -0400 2/11/99, Greg Smith wrote: >>I'm determined to buy all the Masada's including the live rendition (is >>the cd good?). > >There is a live Masada CD?? I have been refraining from buying the other >Masada discs because I had heard there were plans to release a box set of >all the discs plus two live discs. Anyone know if this is true? >Regardless, any info on the live CD would be great! It's a bootleg on Jazz Door (I think). Still really good. I like the show. I'm waiting for the boxset that may not come out until the end of time though... Dan Hewins - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Re[2]: steve reich Date: 11 Feb 1999 13:02:24 -0500 For the newcomer to Reich, I'd second Patrice's suggestion of the ECM Octet/Violin Phase release, along with Drumming (both the original DG and the Nonesuch versions are fine), the Early Works and the Nonesuch Sextet/Six Marimbas. Two somewhat more obscure releases which are well worth getting if you can find 'em: The Angel album of 'Four Organs' which also includes Cage's fantastic 'Three Dances' for prepared piano (don't know if it's been issued to disc) and, yet another version of 'Four Organs', along with 'Phase Patterns' that was originally released on Shandar and, I'm pretty sure, reissued on Robi Droli. The latter features Phil Glass (only recorded appearance?) in Reich's ensemble. Maybe it's just me, but I've found SR's work since perhaps 'The Desert Music' to be increasingly routine and lacking a certain spark. A friend recently lent me 'City Life' which, aside from the luscious 'Nagoya Marimbas', written in 1994 but sounding a lot like previous 'small' works ('Clapping Music', 'Music for Small Pieces of Wood'), falls, imho, into this same rut. Brian Olewnick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Give me more Masada Style Date: 11 Feb 1999 13:32:35 -0500 (EST) It's more on the "jazz" than the "Klezmerish" style, but try Ivo Perelman's "En Adair" (Music and Arts) --Perelman (ts); Marilyn Crispell (p); William Parker (b); Gerry Hemmingway (d) Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Rob Allaert wrote: > Can you fellow fans give me > masada-like or jazz-like or classical-like cd titles and artists you believe > I will be crazy about. The more the better, I just love this kind of jazz. > Thanks a lot. Greetings > > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Re[2]: steve reich Date: 11 Feb 1999 12:37:57 -0600 (CST) On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote: > Maybe it's just me, but I've found SR's work since perhaps 'The Desert > Music' to be increasingly routine and lacking a certain spark. A > friend recently lent me 'City Life' which, aside from the luscious > 'Nagoya Marimbas', written in 1994 but sounding a lot like previous > 'small' works ('Clapping Music', 'Music for Small Pieces of Wood'), > falls, imho, into this same rut. I pretty much agree. One problem has been his attempts to use text. In "The Desert Music", it turned into a choral mush. In "Different Trains" and "The Cave", I find the music less interesting and compelling than the recorded voices on their own would have been. He doesn't seem to have followed up on the clarity of "Tehillim" (although, amusingly, it's evident that he developed that from a transliteration rather than reading the Hebrew for himself, since the whole rhythmic structure of the first movement is based on a mispronunciation). While I didn't care for "City Life" when i got it, I was quite surprised wen I heard it playing at a CD store and didn't know what it was -- thinking it was an unusually good bit of techno, the samples and rhythms came together well. - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: RE: Live Masada CD Date: 11 Feb 1999 13:42:04 -0400 >There was a live Masada CD simply called John Zorn Masada Live on Jazz Door, >a somewhat infamous bootleg label. I think Zorn himself may have hunted >down and killed anyone involved with this. I believe Patrice has it listed >in his discography. > >It's a bootleg on Jazz Door (I think). Still really good. I like the >show. I'm waiting for the boxset that may not come out until the end of >time though... Despite the death of the bootlegger, anyone know of a copy floating around?? Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Re[2]: steve reich Date: 11 Feb 1999 10:46:25 -0800 On Thu, 11 Feb 99 13:02:24 -0500 brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote: > > Two somewhat more obscure releases which are well worth getting if you > can find 'em: The Angel album of 'Four Organs' which also includes ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wow! Brian is absolutely right there. This is the punchiest version of "Four Organs". Perfect to drive nuts your neighbours but so characteristic of earlier Reich works (when he was working on his gradual process concept). There is something in the recording of this version that makes its so good (the kind of LP that makes me wonder if CDs were really an improvement). The other interpretation pales in comparison. Maybe my favorite record to play very loud. Contrary to Brian, I did not have the cruelty to mention it (this is a highly collectible item) :-). > Cage's fantastic 'Three Dances' for prepared piano (don't know if it's > been issued to disc) and, yet another version of 'Four Organs', along > with 'Phase Patterns' that was originally released on Shandar and, I'm > pretty sure, reissued on Robi Droli. The latter features Phil Glass ^^^^^^^^^^ Yes. > (only recorded appearance?) in Reich's ensemble. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ To my knowledge, yes. > Maybe it's just me, but I've found SR's work since perhaps 'The Desert > Music' to be increasingly routine and lacking a certain spark. A > friend recently lent me 'City Life' which, aside from the luscious > 'Nagoya Marimbas', written in 1994 but sounding a lot like previous > 'small' works ('Clapping Music', 'Music for Small Pieces of Wood'), > falls, imho, into this same rut. I almost agree with you (I don't really enjoy "Desert Music") except for "Different Trains" which I believe is a very original composition and also very moving (emotionally). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: Live Masada Cd Date: 11 Feb 1999 15:51:12 -0300 I think the Live Masada cd is great; it has a real good sound quality though being a bootleg recording. I wonder how that tape escape from Zorn's hands. Anyway, in that cd there's a Sheloshim live version that differs from those included in Bar kokhba. What's the real name of that song? Am I right, am I wrong? Hugo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: Kaiser Date: 11 Feb 1999 12:45:39 -0500 > Rich, > > Yep, just checked HK's website and, in the Journal section, he says > that it's March 6. If he mistyped, I'm still pissed.... > > B. My mistake. It is indeed march 6 NOT feb 6. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vanheumen, Robert" Subject: RE: Kaiser Date: 11 Feb 1999 14:23:28 -0500 > > Yep, just checked HK's website and, in the Journal section, he > says > > that it's March 6. If he mistyped, I'm still pissed.... what is the address of the website you get this info from? robert - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Risser Subject: Re: Steve Reich Date: 11 Feb 1999 14:37:40 -0500 My personal faves are Telhillim and the Early Works, including the Phases. My topper for pure simplicity and minimal funky bliss is Clapping Music. That rocks. Plus I like tape loops. My 2 cents, Peter np: Action Plus : Wanderlust - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott" Subject: Swaps mailing list Date: 11 Feb 1999 20:11:04 +0000 I have a longish list of cd's for sale/exchange featuring mostly avant type unusual stuff. I don't want to bother everyone with spam so reply to me to be added to the mailing list. Thanks for your interest. Scott - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?joaqu=EDn_villaverde?=" Subject: RE: Live MMW Date: 11 Feb 1999 21:49:28 +0100 hello try this: http://rubagalo.caltech.edu/audio.html joaquín >A couple months back, someone posted an address for a few live MMW >.mp3s- if it's not too much to ask (assuming they're still up) could >that special someone please repost the FTP? > Thanks > -S. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Seth Gordon Subject: Re: Ribot Score Date: 11 Feb 1999 19:22:20 -0500 Not the same Evan Lurie. I made that mistake myself and unfortunately lost two hours of my life I'll never get back watching "Hologram Man". I'm a fan of low-budget crap entertainment but this had "Cinemax 3:00 AM" written all over it. Not even bad enough to be funny, really... Mary Ho wrote: > The site also had a complete filmography of Evan Lurie. Didnt know he > was big into acting in sci-fi/b-movies. Very interesting. It also > includes all the film scores he has done. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen drury Subject: david shea in boston Date: 11 Feb 1999 22:48:24 -0500 For those in the Boston area, New England Conservatory's Callithumpian Consort will present the music of David Shea on Wednesday, Feb. 17. Shea will perform in duos for sampler and accoustic instruments created for this occasion as well as solo. Capping the program is Shea's Chamber Symphony #1 from his recent Tzadik CD. Brown Hall, New England Conservatory 290 Huntington Ave, Boston, Mass. Wed., Feb. 17, 8pm free - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Live Masada Cd Date: 12 Feb 1999 17:12:55 +1100 > Anyway, in that cd there's a Sheloshim live version that differs from > those included in Bar kokhba. What's the real name of that song? Am I > right, am I wrong? I could be wrong, but I think you're talking about the mistake on the packaging. The last track is actually "Jair" from Masada 1. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dwight Haden Subject: RE: Painkiller Rituals Date: 12 Feb 1999 01:21:26 -0500 >i need know some (good) cd store address in New York city, plus i need >know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japan".=20 > >txs in advance. Good record stores in NYC: Downtown Music Gallery 211 E. 5th St. New York, NY 10003 (800) 622-1387 http://www.DTMGallery.com=20 I'm sure there are more.. but this one I've dealt with many times and = can personally vouch for. There's no better source for NY downtown = artists. Get on their mailing list. Now. Painkiller "Rituals - Live in Japan": The last time I was in my local record store they had a copy of this, = for about $24 U.S. if I remember correctly. Much better price than I = paid for it, way back when. I'm pretty sure it's out of print now. And = it most definitely is not the same "live" disc included on the Tzadik = 4cd set. That disc is the "Live in Osaka", originally available only on = the jap version of Execution Ground. Rituals has better sound quality, = good stereo separation for a live recording, it almost sounds = over-dubbed. Anyway, the record store is Plan 9, here in the jazz wasteland of = Richmond, Virginia USA. Their website is http://www.plan9music.com There's no online inventory, so you'll just have to ask for it. The = order function on their website is somewhat primative, and non-secure. = Good luck, hope they still have it. Dwight Haden =3D=3D=3D dhaden@worldnet.att.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Ribot Score Date: 12 Feb 1999 17:19:28 +1100 > I was just on the website http://moviepeople.hollywood.com > and for some reason did a search on Ribot. It came up with a film > entitled LANDLORD BLUES (1988) which he and Roy Nathanson are listed as > composers for. Has anyone heard the score or seen this movie? That is one of the movies featured on "Shoestring Symphonettes", Ribot's Tzadik cd. I guess it's just selections from the film's music. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: Re: Painkiller Rituals Date: 12 Feb 1999 01:36:32 EST In a message dated 2/12/99 1:33:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, dhaden@worldnet.att.net writes: > >i need know some (good) cd store address in New York city, plus i need > >know where i can buy Painkiller: "rituals live in Japa 2 whoever posted this originally: if u can't find rituals, i might b able 2 help. email me privately - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJOERN Subject: Re: Live Masada Cd Date: 12 Feb 1999 09:49:36 +0100 (MET) > I think the Live Masada cd is great; it has a real good sound quality > though being a bootleg recording. I wonder how that tape escape from > Zorn's hands. it is a live show which was aired on german radio, and was declared wrong as an american show on the bootleg BJOERN - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.T. de Boer" Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 12 Feb 1999 10:50:22 +0200 > > Atheist are another great technical death metal band. Their final album, >> _Elements_, actually crossed over into jazz and samba at some > >points. I personally think 'Elements' is their weakest album. In my opinion it's a kind of artificial attempt to combine different genres (especially the samba-piece is highly irritating). Try 'Piece of Time' but especially 'Unquestionable Presence'. Last album is really a mixture of jazz and deathmetal, especially because of the superb playing of their drummer (forgot his name), who left the band after this recording. > Also, Dutch band Pestilence did some nice work - in the vein of technicality, > their 3rd and 4th albums would have to be recommended, but when it comes to > sheer brutality and song-writing, they are overshadowed by the excellent > "Consuming Impulse", their second outing. I think they're ok, but always two steps behind Death and especially Cynic.Pestilence's last album 'Elements' is a weak version of Cynic's 'Focus'.They toured Europe together, but Pestilence lost courage half way the tour, because being inferior to Cynic in a strict musical sense. They also made fools out of their fans by stating that one only could be taken seriously by listening to jazz and other 'serious' types of music. Headbanging and stagediving was something for stupids. They stopped performing and recording after this disastrous experience. Jeroen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcin.Witkowski@wor.tvp.com.pl Subject: RE: Live Masada CD Date: 12 Feb 1999 11:22:30 +0100 I have live Masada 2CDr from Warsaw Summer Jazz Days 26/06/1994 Poland. It's 90 min long and even better quality than German bootleg. Also the difference is that Joey Baron plays on drums in Warsaw and at Jazz Door in Germany played Kenny Wollesen, as I know. I can make CDr copies for trade only. Bye Marcin Visit my trading WEB site: http://witkowski.tvp.com.pl - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "BLA BLA BLA" Subject: Marilyn Mazur's Future Song Date: 13 Feb 1999 00:01:54 +1030 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BE56E4.10DCF180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, could anyone tell me abit about this? I just picked up their "Small Labyrinths" CD....quite = interesting......out on ECM Records from Germany.... I'm actually looking for more jazz piano stuff, all in really "alien" = weird sounding keys.....not really spacey just sorta..hmm wrong? for = lack of a better word =3D] damn im tired...may have something to do with my inability to articulate = properly =3D] cheers... ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BE56E4.10DCF180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BE56E4.10DCF180-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DR S WILKIE Subject: cd reviews Date: 12 Feb 1999 13:43:20 GMT0BST any recommendations for sites that give cd reviews? also, anyone got the new Wachsmann/Lytton ECM cd? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: Takemitsu (update) Date: 12 Feb 1999 11:19:00 -0500 (EST) On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, eric ong wrote: > I stopped by Other Music in NYC today and they had six volumes of > Takemitsu's film music for about 24 dollars each (jap imports). The > volumes seem categorized by director, with some volumes representing > numerous directors. I picked up Volume 4 and it is excellent. About seven > songs, some short, one in the +20 minute range. Perhaps you can order them > from the OM website if you can't come in person. I'm sorry if this info is > redundant, I only get a chance to drop by OM maybe once or twice a month. does anyone know what director is on each? i went to the other music website and it just listed the different volume numbers and didn't give any info on contents. thanks, b - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Smith Subject: Re: Meshuggah Date: 12 Feb 1999 11:34:29 -0400 >Also, Dutch band Pestilence did some nice work - in the vein of technicalit= y, >their 3rd and 4th albums would have to be recommended, but when it comes to >sheer brutality and song-writing, they are overshadowed by the excellent >"Consuming Impulse", their second outing. At last, let me mention my favori= te >which has to be Entombed's "Clandestine", an album that was highly underrat= ed >when it first came out (everybody was still intoxicated by the debut, "Left >Hand Path", but in my opinion the praise for that album was mainly based on >the classic title track).=20 Clandestine is a great disc. I agree, better than _Left Hand Path_, but I= think the praise of their debut comes from the fact that it set a new= standard... it was the first album to sport the "Swedish" DM sound that= became a craze for a spell with bands like Unleashed and Dismember...= buzzsaw guitar sound, etherial DM vocals...=20 The latter Pestilence albums are definitely more technical, but I think the= songwriting went out the window, especially on _Spheres_. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz= zzz... _Consuming Impulse_ is, as you mentioned, their best due to the= ravenous nature of the vocals and music. VERY brutal! >Oh, there are also some GREAT Black Metal bands out there. I must especiall= y >mention the circle around ULVER, who themselves have just released an album >based on "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell" by William Blake. I haven't picked it up yet, although I have heard nothing but praise... I'll= invest in it when I recover financially from my upcoming trip to TX.= Another great black metal band is Marduk just for their overall blinding= speed. Insane! Greg http://www.unchain.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: cd reviews Date: 12 Feb 1999 08:36:47 -0800 On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:43:20 GMT0BST DR S WILKIE wrote: > > any recommendations for sites that give cd reviews? > also, anyone got the new Wachsmann/Lytton ECM cd? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wow! That's a really nice surprise. Could ECM feel guilty for having left for so long their first loves? Wachsmann is underdocumented and I am also curious to get an opinion on that unexpected release. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet) Subject: Fwd: ann! ... D-Day 8: Dan za dokumentarec - 14.2.99; was: Date: 12 Feb 1999 17:42:15 +0100 Hi. I hope there will be not too much cross-posting and this is relevant to someone. I just received the following in my mail. Delivered-To: pequet@altern.org Sender: annonceurs@simsim.rug.ac.be Reply-To: annonceurs@simsim.rug.ac.be . The Weekender ................................................... . a weekly digest of calls . actions . websites . campaigns . etc . . send your announcements and notes to announcer@simsim.rug.ac.be . . please don't be late ! delivered every friday . into your inbox . . http://simsim.rug.ac.be/announcer/ for subscription info & help . [...] ................................................................... 05 Dear, The prelude to the D-Day-series was last year's Bar SyHaPa: D-Day 0 confronted Claudia Heuerman's SABBATH IN PARADISE (a documentary about the New York downtown Radical Jewish Culture-scene), with a concert by Anthony Coleman's SEPHARDIC TINGE. For D-Day 8 (EXCEPTIONALLY ON A SUNDAY) we serve a second "step across the border". Although this time the combination of the presented documentary and the following concert is of a less direct, less illustrative, but of a more associative nature. The subtitle of D-Day 8 could very well be PICTURE OF LIGHT versus SOUND OF PICTURE(s). Or: a hallucinatory tale of the Canadian filmmaker-cinematographer Peter METTLER versus the visionary image-provoking sound-scapes of Fred FRITH. (More info: below). Hope to see you next Sunday in Slovenska kinoteka. Best regards, Koen Van Daele programme curator & coordinator +++++++++++++++++++++ D-Day8: Dan za dokumentarec 14.2.1999, Slovenska kinoteka, Ljubljana 19.00: PICTURE OF LIGHT Director and cinematographer: Peter Mettler; editor: Peter Mettler & Mike Munn; sound: Gaston Kyriazi, Leon Johnson, Peter Braeker, Alexandra Gill, Peter Mettler; music: Jim O'Rourke; text: Peter Mettler; production: Peter Mettler, Andres Zuest, Alexandra Gill. Canada/Switzerland, 1994, 83 min., col., 35mm (English spoken, no subtitles) Picture of Light documents Mettler's journey to Canada's arctic in search of the Aurora Borealis, or Northern Lights. While combining glimpses of characters who live in this remote environment, with the film-crew's both comic and absurd attempts to deal with the extreme living conditions on the Northpole, the film reflects upon the paradoxes involved in trying to capture the natural wonder of the Northern Lights on celluloid. Mettler: "We live in a time where things do not seem to exist if they are not captured as an image. But if you look into darkness, you may see the lights of your own retina -- not unlike the Northern Lights, not unlike the movements of thought, like a shapeless accumulation of everything we have ever seen. Before science explained, the Northern Lights were interpreted as visions, prophecies, spirits -- a trigger of imagination -- images provided by nature, framed by no less than the universe itself". 21.00 FRED FRITH GUITAR QUARTET Concert. with: Fred Frith (UK), Nick Didkovsky (USA), Rene Lussier (Canada), Mark Stewart (USA) More on FRED FRITH and his Guitar Quartet: http://www.fredfrith.com/ Tickets: PICTURE OF LIGHT: 600 SIT FRED FRITH GUITAR QUARTET: 2000 SIT Double bill PICTURE OF LIGHT/FRITH: 2100 SIT D-Day 8 is co-produced by Druga godba and SyHaPa. The series D-Day: Dan za dokumentarec is produced by Open Society Institute Slovenia; in collaboration with Open Society Network Programs - Soros Documentary Fund (New York). Executive producer: Slovenska kinoteka. PRESS-PICTURES ARE AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST. [...] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Seth Gordon Subject: Re: Meshuggah / also: Godflesh Date: 12 Feb 1999 12:10:19 -0500 I have to side with you on that. "Consuming Impulse" is a brutal, brilliant album. Though I must say to compare them with Cynic is a bit off. Pestilence, IMHO, do not really push the jazz button the way Cynic do- I'd say they were more along the lines of a death metal version of Rush. They seem to approach any "jazz" in their sound via a prog-rock perspective, whereas in Cynic I hear a direct jazz influence. Veering slightly off topic: Has anyone heard any advance word / tracks from the upcoming Godflesh? I've heard the domestic release is imminent (March, I think)- does anyone know if there are any singles / 12"s, etc. out in Europe / Japan yet? - S. Someone wrote: > > > > Also, Dutch band Pestilence did some nice work - in the vein of technicality, > > their 3rd and 4th albums would have to be recommended, but when it comes to > > sheer brutality and song-writing, they are overshadowed by the excellent > > "Consuming Impulse", their second outing. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gabriel Lichtmann Subject: Thanks Date: 11 Feb 1999 07:02:55 -0300 well I've just came back from N.Y and I wanted to thank each one of you for your great recomendations on record stores ("other music" is great!), I couldn't do it when your answers arrived because I was rushing to get everything done before leaving for holidays. It was a great trip, and the highest point was finally getting to see Masada in Tonic after soo long; my god, what a band. Oh! and I finally got my hands on some fushitsuha cd's, and I absolutely love them. They are "Withdrawe this sable Disclosure..." and "Allegorical Misunderstanding" (not so good, but excellent anyway). Any recomendations on other Haino/Fushitsuha/records? Gabriel LichTmann (one thankfuk argentinian) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Takemitsu (update) Date: 12 Feb 1999 20:14:31 -0500 At 11:19 AM 2/12/99 -0500, Brent Burton wrote: > >does anyone know what director is on each? i went to the other music >website and it just listed the different volume numbers and didn't give >any info on contents. These have certainly gotten popular all of a sudden. In the last 24 hours, I've gotten updates on all six volumes with lots of information from pbe and forced exposure. Interested parties should contact either of these sources for more complete info. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Computers are useless; they can only give you answers -- Pablo Picasso - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: psycho Date: 13 Feb 1999 12:52:09 +1100 A little while ago there was a suggestion that Frisell/Horvitz played music for Psycho (the remake obviously). Did they, and what was the music? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: psycho Date: 13 Feb 1999 12:52:09 +1100 A little while ago there was a suggestion that Frisell/Horvitz played music for Psycho (the remake obviously). Did they, and what was the music? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sibree/Wilkes Subject: LP auction - Zorn content Date: 13 Feb 1999 11:45:50 +0800 A reminder that my latest auction list is now available and closes on 19 February. Please email me for details. Regards, Billy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Sabbath in Paradise Date: 12 Feb 1999 23:00:48 EST Can't remember if this has been brought up before or not, but here is a webpage with info on the film "Sabbath in Paradise", a documentary on the Jewish music scene in NYC. http://www.german-cinema.de/archive/s/sabbath_E.html Director: Claudia Heuermann Screenplay: Claudia Heuermann Director of photography: Rainer Hartmann Editor: Claudia Heuermann Music by: John Zorn Producer: Claudia Heuermann Production Company: Claudia Heuermann Produktion, M=FCnchen, in coproduction with Andreas Wildbihler, A.W. Film, M=FCnchen Principal Cast: Anthony Coleman, Andy Statman, John Zorn Length: 85 min., 1.100 m Format: 16 mm, colour, b/w Original Version: English Sound Technology: Optical sound, Mono International Festival Screenings: Nyon 97: Prix Long M=E9trage, Cork 97, Kiev 97, Sao Paulo 97, Amsterdam 97 Funding by: Kuratorium junger deutscher Film - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoff S Gersh Subject: First Masada gig Date: 13 Feb 1999 01:11:43 -0500 as far as i know.... the first Masada gig was at one of the Jewish Culture Festivals at the old knit. Ribot, Perowsky and i think Mark Dresser on bass? i know when i saw it Kato was not playing, and the gig was billed as the world premiere of Masda...so....who knows??? Masada also performed as a quintet in Oct. 1994 at SUNY New Paltz in upstate NY. Ribot, Douglas, Wolleson and Drew Gress, Mike Patton was supposed to sit in too, but it didnt happen.... Gephf ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephen Fruitman Subject: Re: Give me more Masada Style Date: 13 Feb 1999 14:47:35 +0200 > Drew Gress's Jagged Sky - "Heyday," Dave Douglas - "Five." Be very pleased to read a review of the first CD, and the name of the label which released the latter title. Thanks in advance, Stephen Bj=F6rn Olsson, Inst. f=F6r id=E9historia, Ume=E5 universitet 901 87 Ume=E5 tel. 090-167982 fax 143374 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shep@globetrotter.net Subject: Re: psycho Date: 13 Feb 1999 01:30:23 -0500 Date sent: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 12:52:09 +1100 > A little while ago there was a suggestion that Frisell/Horvitz played music > for Psycho (the remake obviously). Did they, and what was the music? > I have the soundtrack, and no. At least, not that anyone chose to release. Elfman did all the reworks of the original score, the rest is a VERY GOOD (suprise!) mix of all sorts of artists from all genres, from Rob Zombie's agro-dance-industrial through Howie B's slick sample- based techno through James Hall doing an uber-mellow cover of the Talking Heads' "Psycho Killer." But no Frisell Horvitz. Alas. Matt Shepherd shep@globetrotter.net "I had a dog named Shep. He was a good dog, too." - E. Presley - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "hijk" Subject: Re: First Masada gig Date: 13 Feb 1999 11:27:16 -0500 >as far as i know.... >the first Masada gig was at one of the Jewish Culture Festivals at the >old knit. > >Ribot, Perowsky and i think Mark Dresser on bass? i know when i saw it >Kato was not playing, and the gig was billed as the world premiere of >Masda...so....who knows??? > >The tape that I have is from the second of two days of interviews that Zorn did on WKCR prior to the month long retrospective at the old knit in September of 1993. When discussing his "new band", Masada, Ted Pankin asks him how long the band has been together and Zorn says, "those were our first two gigs." He gives the lineup as: Ribot/Perowsky/Hideki and the date as either 8/19/93 or 8/20/93 (?). Jeff Kent hijk@gateway.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taylor McLaren Subject: Re: Meshuggah / also: Godflesh Date: 13 Feb 1999 14:00:40 -0500 MEEP! Seth Gordon wrote: >Veering slightly off topic: Has anyone heard any advance word / tracks from the >upcoming Godflesh? I've heard the domestic release is imminent (March, I think)- >does anyone know if there are any singles / 12"s, etc. out in Europe / Japan yet? Recent comments from John Everall (your friend and mine, and apparently the friend of absolutely everybody in the British music business) suggested that Justin has been "obsessed with drum 'n' bass" lately, and that some of the rhythmic material on _Us and Them_ is going to reflect that fact. I wonder if that means that it's safe to assume that Ted Parsons isn't going to be on the album? -me - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: First Masada gig Date: 13 Feb 1999 15:32:58 -0500 hijk wrote: > >as far as i know.... > >the first Masada gig was at one of the Jewish Culture Festivals at the > >old knit. > > > >Ribot, Perowsky and i think Mark Dresser on bass? i know when i saw it > >Kato was not playing, and the gig was billed as the world premiere of > >Masda...so....who knows??? > > The tape that I have is from the second of two days of interviews that Zorn > did on WKCR prior to the month long retrospective at the old knit in > September of 1993. When discussing his "new band", Masada, Ted Pankin asks > him how long the band has been together and Zorn says, "those were our first > two gigs." He gives the lineup as: > > Ribot/Perowsky/Hideki and the date as either 8/19/93 or 8/20/93 (?). That would seem to be the correct answer straight from the source... I had just gotten to NYC in June of that year and wasn't fully acclimated, so that gig slid right past me. For the die-hard trivia buffs, I think it's relatively safe to say that the first-ever live performance of the Douglas/Cohen/Baron Masada took place on September 12, 1993 at the original Knitting Factory, only it was not billed as Masada at all. The band was called Thieves Quartet. Zorn explains why in the program booklet for the month-long 40th birthday celebration: "This was my most recent soudntrack, and the band was so good I just had to do a gig with them. This was also the first time I recorded on piano. Comping behind a soloist is one of the great pleasures in life. My influences on piano: Dick Twardzick, Bill Triglia, Bill Evans, early Cecil Taylor." Interestingly enough, there was also a Masada gig during the birthday month: September 22, with a lineup of Ribot, Sebastian Steinberg and Joey Baron. Steve Drury played Ligeti, Mahler and Anthony Coleman on the same bill... I missed both Thieves Quartet and Masada, but caught many other great things. The more I think about it, the more it seems like a great idea for Zorn to offer up one disc of alternate Masadas in the planned Tzadik live series. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - bloodcount, "No, Ma'am," _Unwound_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tal Goldman Subject: Ivo Perelman - En Adir Date: 14 Feb 1999 15:07:41 +0200 >It's more on the "jazz" than the "Klezmerish" style, but try Ivo >Perelman's "En Adair" (Music and Arts) --Perelman (ts); Marilyn Crispell >(p); William Parker (b); Gerry Hemmingway (d) >Ken Waxman >cj649@torfree.net Have to say that this one didn't do that much for me....There's a lot of Perelman playing way "out" - which sounds to me like David S. Ware playing "out" but not as melodic or lyrical; lots of growling. Crispell sounds good though and some arrangements are nice. Tal Goldman telly_o@softhome.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Elsie" Subject: For Canadian noise fans... Date: 14 Feb 1999 09:27:16 PST February 19 - Montreal @ Hotel 2 Tango: MSBR Government Alpha Alexandre St-Onge/Sam Shalabi Annihilist Monstre Teashop Madman February 21 - Toronto @ The Reverb: MSBR Government Alpha Knurl TADM ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: painkiller: rituals Date: 14 Feb 1999 19:35:37 EST ok so since i have received several posts regarding my cryptic message before about this cd, i figured i would just say what i have 2 say and if people feel inspired, they can email me. i can make cd-r copies of this album. i don't feel bad about doing it (like i'm ripping them off) because the disc has been outta print since jesus was a baby. i would prefer trading cds, but if that's not possible, i could do it for cost of the cd-r and shipping. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase) Subject: Bill Frisell Date: 14 Feb 1999 19:15:36 -0600 (CST) I am now endorsing, with much praise, the Bill Frisell album "Where in the World," to any one who gives a damn.... }Theodorus-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell Date: 14 Feb 1999 20:58:04 EST In a message dated 2/14/99 8:18:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Vlad- Drac@webtv.net writes: > the Bill Frisell album "Where in > the World," to any one who gives a damn.... yeah i'm actually a fan of a lot of that "era" like "is that you?" and "where in the world". i heartily 2nd this recommendation, like u said, 2 any1 who gives a damn - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: Haino/Fushitsusha (Was RE: Thanks) Date: 14 Feb 1999 22:18:13 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gabriel > Lichtmann > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 2:03 AM > Oh! and I finally got my hands on some fushitsuha cd's, and I > absolutely love them. They are "Withdrawe this sable Disclosure..." and > "Allegorical Misunderstanding" (not so good, but excellent anyway). Any > recomendations on other Haino/Fushitsuha/records? I believe David Keffer is the resident expert on this list, but I'll respond anyway: I think the critical consensus is that the two double live Fushitsusha discs are the best of his prodigious output, but they're pretty darn expensive (I haven't heard them either). "The Caution Approaches" is more of a noise barrage than the mellower "Allegorical Misunderstanding" (who was it that described it as "Haino in love?"). Of more interest to Zornheads would be "An Unclear Trial: More Than This," with Haino, Greg Cohen on bass, and Joey Baron on drums. Never been much of an improv fan, but I love the way the musical phrases evolve and how they bounce ideas off each other. A fun disc. Later, Ben http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/ ICQ# 12832406 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Fransson Subject: Prins Date: 15 Feb 1999 09:10:10 +0100 Hi!!! In a concert some months ago, in Stockholm. Lee Ranaldo, saxist Mats Gustavsson and a Duch guy, Gert-Jan Prins played together. No I wasn=B4t there. But this man Prins is said to create sounds out of old radio and television sets. I have never heard of him. Has anybody heard of him? Has he recorded any discs? Anders --=20 _________________________________________________________________________= ____ Anders Fransson, universitetsbiblioteket, =D6rebro universitet, 701 82 =D6rebro, Sweden. e-mail. anders.fransson@bibl.oru.se Phone. +46 19 30 38 66 Fax. +46 19 30 38 55 _________________________________________________________________________= ____ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Haino/Fushitsusha (Was RE: Thanks) Date: 15 Feb 1999 03:24:51 -0800 > "The Caution Approaches" is more of a noise barrage than the mellower > "Allegorical Misunderstanding" (who was it that described it as "Haino in > love?"). Of more interest to Zornheads would be "An Unclear Trial: More Than > This," with Haino, Greg Cohen on bass, and Joey Baron on drums. Never been > much of an improv fan, but I love the way the musical phrases evolve and how > they bounce ideas off each other. A fun disc. > i absolutely agree!! "unclear trial" is a must have for everyone on the list. in fact i just bought it two days ago. it must have just been rereleased in standard random Avant fashion. the music? well it showcases joey and haino improvising together in sympatico fashion as the amazing drummer always works. cohen backs it up with some meaty string bass reminiscent of noisier masada sections. i was fairly surprised to find Haino releasing a work such as this, considering the rest of his output that i have heard. but as it is and Avant album i do not have i had to buy it. i buy them all, as i discover them in stores. up to about 40! i found it to be on par with everyting else in the library. does anyone know what albums have come out on Avant since Dragon Blue? patrick in portland - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marks, Andy" Subject: David Shea? Date: 15 Feb 1999 05:51:33 -0600 > I saw this listed in a catalog > Anybody got this and/or know what its like? > > DAVID SHEA/LAND OF PURE ILLUSION 12 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.T. de Boer" Subject: Re: Prins Date: 15 Feb 1999 13:09:43 +0200 Gert-Jan Prins recorded some albums with Luc Houtkamp, a dutch sax-player and composer of live (interactive) electronic music. They have a website: http://www.xs4all.nl/~xorluc Jeroen > Hi!!! > > In a concert some months ago, in Stockholm. Lee Ranaldo, saxist Mats > Gustavsson > and a Duch guy, Gert-Jan Prins played together. No I wasn=B4t there. But > this man > Prins is said to create sounds out of old radio and television sets. > I have never heard of him. Has anybody heard of him? Has he recorded any > discs? > > > Anders > -- > ________________________________________________________________________= _____ > Anders Fransson, universitetsbiblioteket, =D6rebro universitet, > 701 82 =D6rebro, Sweden. > e-mail. anders.fransson@bibl.oru.se > Phone. +46 19 30 38 66 > Fax. +46 19 30 38 55 > ________________________________________________________________________= _____ > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "BLA BLA BLA" Subject: Re: What was this? Date: 15 Feb 1999 23:43:22 +1030 >>isis@wantree.com.au wrote: >> >>Currently Playing : Mick Harris + Martyn Bates : Murderr Ballads 3CD > >What's this all about? > it's probably of no interest to anyone, but instead of a .sig thingo I just put down what I'm listeing to at the time that I'm writing the e-mail *shrug* just something that I do...... cheers...... Currently Playing- Bounty Killer : My Xperience - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Haino/Fushitsusha (Was RE: Thanks) Date: 15 Feb 1999 08:21:54 -0500 > > Oh! and I finally got my hands on some fushitsuha cd's, and I > > absolutely love them. They are "Withdrawe this sable Disclosure..." and > > "Allegorical Misunderstanding" (not so good, but excellent anyway). Any > > recomendations on other Haino/Fushitsuha/records? FWIW and apparently not the consensus pick, my favorite Haino disc, with or without Fushitsusha, is 'Pathetique' (PSFD 50). On sustained drama alone. Brian Olewnick NP: AEC, 'Kabalaba' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Martens Subject: Re: Haino/Fushitsusha (Was RE: Thanks) Date: 15 Feb 1999 06:02:46 -0800 (PST) > > > Any > > > recomendations on other Haino/Fushitsuha/records? A couple I really like, both solo, are "I said, This is the Son of Nihilism" on Table of the Elements, about an hour of just guitar & voice, alternating calm, quiet passages and big storms of noise; and "So, Black is Myself" on Alien8, which is kind of creepy & droney & minimalist-sounding. Eric _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Slntwtchr@aol.com Subject: Re: David Shea? Date: 15 Feb 1999 11:38:09 EST >> I saw this listed in a catalog >> Anybody got this and/or know what its like? >> >> DAVID SHEA/LAND OF PURE ILLUSION 12 i think this is just a 12" of tracks from 'the tower of mirrors' cd. not sure if they're remixes or not. peace, dave ___________________________________________________________ bill laswell, eraldo bernocchi, mick harris and lori carson discographies at : http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093 ___________________________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: Masada+Frisell (was:RE: First Masada gig) Date: 15 Feb 1999 20:12:12 +0100 > The more I think about it, the more it seems like a great > idea for Zorn to offer > up one disc of alternate Masadas in the planned Tzadik live series. This is great idea! Masada is one of my favourite Zorn bands, I got all their albums and I was always curious how this band sounds like with other people like Ribot, Coleman... and Frisell! Masada was once in Poland, playing tunes from the first three albums, with the "original" lineup (Zorn/Douglas/Cohen/Baron). But recently I got a CDR with Masada and Frisell playing together at Knitting Factory, April 10th 1996.. This was a suprise! Frisell cound not catch the klezmer-like tunes and it took some time for him to get into it. But the band had fun (Zorn: "play the fucking guitar, he, he...") and the whole show was very interesting (for me, being Frisell fan, especially :-) I was wondering, how many times did they (Masada and Frisell) play together? The gig I mentioned sounds like one-night event, you can tell that Frisell is playing with Masada for the first time. Was it the last time also? __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno AT silesia.top.pl] www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Corey Marc Fogel Subject: Re: Masada+Frisell (was:RE: First Masada gig) Date: 15 Feb 1999 13:03:34 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 15 Feb 1999, Artur Nowak wrote: > 10th 1996.. This was a suprise! Frisell cound not catch the > klezmer-like tunes and it took some time for him to get into it. But i have that recording...it sounds like he's just being Bill Frisell to me. I think he knows what klezmer is. > together? The gig I mentioned sounds like one-night event, you can > tell that Frisell is playing with Masada for the first time. Was it > the last time also? was it the first time? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: Prins Date: 14 Feb 1999 19:06:54 -0500 Anders Fransson wrote: > Hi!!! > > In a concert some months ago, in Stockholm. Lee Ranaldo, saxist Mats > Gustavsson > and a Duch guy, Gert-Jan Prins played together. No I wasn=B4t there. Bu= t > this man > Prins is said to create sounds out of old radio and television sets. > I have never heard of him. Has anybody heard of him? Has he recorded an= y > discs? He's on a good amount of CD's - all on the X-OR label he runs with saxoph= onist Luc Houtkamp (with the exception of the Gorgonzola Legs disc). I have the= solo NOISE CAPTURE and LIVE IN CANADA '97 with Houtkamp and Fred van Hove. The= solo disc is a very dynamic organization of sounds from percussion, TV, radio = and electronics which I would loosely describe as David Tudor meets Trent Rez= nor. The trio disc is a very long improvisation. They're both okay/good... There's= also a trio disc with Mats Gustafsson and Misha Mengelberg and two CD's with an experimental rock trio called Analecta though I haven't heard them. Check out Prins' page at the European Free Improvisors site: http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/musician/mprins.html -Tom Pratt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Chavez Subject: Sun Ra Date: 15 Feb 1999 21:00:21 -0600 Just curious what are people's opinion on Sun Ra. I haven't seen much discussion on him with this list. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Masada+Frisell (was:RE: First Masada gig) Date: 15 Feb 1999 22:13:22 EST Frisell first sat in with Masada in Seattle, October 16,1994. The Knit in '96 was the second and last as far as I know. That gig with Frisell at the Knit- was amazing! Listen to Frisell's playing on the first tune alone, definitely one of my all time favourite guitar solos. I think its impossible for him to sound bad, no matter what the setting. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: Wachsmann Date: 14 Feb 1999 22:23:37 -0500 Someone mentioned a Phil Wachsmann/Paul Lovens new release on ECM... I haven't seen it around. Is it a Germany only ECM release or what? Maya had plans a little while back of releasing a disc of duets between Wachsmann and pianist Paul Plimley. Does anyone know what happened to that? -Tom Pratt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Wachsmann Date: 15 Feb 1999 23:17:12 EST In a message dated 2/15/99 10:43:36 PM, tpratt@ctech.smtc.net writes: << Someone mentioned a Phil Wachsmann/Paul Lovens new release on ECM... I haven't seen it around. Is it a Germany only ECM release or what? >> yup, as is the new Roscoe Mitchell. Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otis Wheeler Subject: Re: Sun Ra Date: 15 Feb 1999 23:46:54 -0500 > Just curious what are people's opinion on Sun Ra. I haven't seen much > discussion on him with this list. I dig. Seeing the Arkestra perform in an old warehouse in Vermont was my introduction to free-jazz (as obscure as it sounds, it was only last summer). I only have a handful of Ra records among the truckloads that are out there, but I quite enjoy both Outer Spaceways Incorporated and, especially, The Magic City - gotta love that clavioline! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Natalia Subject: re: Shea 12" Date: 15 Feb 1999 20:37:19 -0800 I have the Land of Pure Illusion 12". It's 3 remixes of that song and another song called "breathe," which I'm particularly fond of, but is also available on Sub Rosa's super-cheap Underwood Three compilation, which in turn has plenty of good stuff on it. So, I'd say unless you are a DJ and want to spin some David Shea, go find the Underwood Three comp. None of the remixes on the 12" are earth-shattering, but they are good, so if you are a Shea completist... -Ethan - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: eric ong Subject: Re: Wachsmann/Mats Gustafsson Date: 15 Feb 1999 23:51:55 -0500 ><< Someone mentioned a Phil Wachsmann/Paul Lovens new release on ECM... I >haven't seen it around. Is it a Germany only ECM release or what? >> > >yup, as is the new Roscoe Mitchell. The new Roscoe Mitchell and The Note Factory "Nine to Get Ready" (ECM) is set for a March 9th release date in the United States. As is new ECM stuff from Charles Lloyd and Peter Erskine. Like always, the US release schedule is still running behind the rest of the world. Also, Mats Gustafsson's name has come up recently. I went record shopping the other day and saw what seemed to be a new Gustafsson duet disc with a cello player. Nice paper packaging, limited edition I think as well. Anyone know what I'm referring to? Any opinions on it? Well, I was intending to buy it, but I put it down for a second and turned my back, when someone else snatched it. Does anyone have the label info for this disc? I'll confess that I'm just beginning to get a feel for Gustafsson's playing, and I think I might need another push in the right direction. Thanks, eric. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: xander@sirius.com Subject: Re: David Shea? Date: 15 Feb 1999 21:01:44 -0800 >>> I saw this listed in a catalog >>> Anybody got this and/or know what its like? >>> >>> DAVID SHEA/LAND OF PURE ILLUSION 12 > >i think this is just a 12" of tracks from 'the tower of mirrors' cd. not sure >if they're remixes or not. It is in fact a 12" 33rpm on Quantum/Sub Rosa. Three remixes of Land of Pure Illusion and a nearly 9 minute atmospheric track entitled "Breath" which I don't think is on anything else? The remixes focus on the beats...I'd basically forgotten about this record since buying it a couple years back. Probably not the most essential release. Alexander Radio Khartoum http://www.sirius.com/~xander/rk - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: ostertag Date: 16 Feb 1999 17:41:24 +1100 Bob Ostertag is at the Harbourside Brasserie, Sydney (along with a bunch of other experimental-type people) on the 1st of March. Julian. http://www.hartingdale.com.au/~jcurwin/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Wachsmann Date: 16 Feb 1999 02:06:00 -0500 JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > << Someone mentioned a Phil Wachsmann/Paul Lovens new release on ECM... I > haven't seen it around. Is it a Germany only ECM release or what? >> > > yup, as is the new Roscoe Mitchell. The Roscoe Mitchell is in the hands of a lot of U.S. reviewers already as a pre-release CD in a cardboard package - I've heard plenty of raves from all over the place. This is the same band that had me dancing like a fool at the first Texaco Festival at the Knit. The Roscoe is scheduled for U.S. release in March, according to the ECM website, only apparent if you click on the page for the disc itself - http://www.ecmrecords.com/ecm/recordings/1651.html No current U.S. release date is listed for the Wachsmann/Lovens or the Maya Homburger / Barry Guy, but we can hope. And if we can't hope, we can order online. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: picnic thisway Subject: organic trio feat. william parker & daniel carter Date: 16 Feb 1999 03:59:55 +0000 hello! i remember there has been quite a lot of exchange regarding daniel carter in this list (while ago). i don't know how many of those people live near nyc?? but if you do, here's a chance to check out mr. carter along with ever-wonderful william parker (and with another person in the trio. anybody happens to know who it is?!?) on monday, february 22nd for FREE!! place: the cooler, 416 w. 14th st. (between 9th & 10th ave.) phone #212-229-0785, or http://www.thecooler.com date: (as i said above) monday, february 22nd. time: door opens at 8:45 p.m. (but i dunno what time 'organic trio' would perform. there will be at least another band before it.) admission: free that's all. hoping it'd help some of you live around here. p.t. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.T. de Boer" Subject: Masada-like jazz Date: 16 Feb 1999 11:16:02 +0200 Last week there was a thread about Masada-like jazz. I would like to mention Pachora (Chris Speed, Brad Shepik, Jim Black and Skuli Sverison). It's not especially klezmer, although the Balkan themes will satisfy those who like an East-European content in the music. They just released their second album, and it's fantastic! Compared to the first one it's much more mature: where the first album seemed to derive the 'world' content from the jazz tradition, their second one is much more authentic Balkan music with a lot of improvized parts. The only (sometimes) weak factor of this band is the playing of Chris Speed. To my opinion his sound is too thin. Any comments on this? Thanks, Jeroen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.T. de Boer" Subject: (Fwd) Re: Prins Date: 16 Feb 1999 11:16:47 +0200 Forwarded message: Gert-Jan Prins recorded some albums with Luc Houtkamp, a dutch sax-player and composer of live (interactive) electronic music. They have a website: http://www.xs4all.nl/~xorluc Jeroen > Hi!!! > > In a concert some months ago, in Stockholm. Lee Ranaldo, saxist Mats > Gustavsson > and a Duch guy, Gert-Jan Prins played together. No I wasn|t there. But > this man > Prins is said to create sounds out of old radio and television sets. > I have never heard of him. Has anybody heard of him? Has he recorded any > discs? > > > Anders > -- > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Anders Fransson, universitetsbiblioteket, +rebro universitet, > 701 82 +rebro, Sweden. > e-mail. anders.fransson@bibl.oru.se > Phone. +46 19 30 38 66 > Fax. +46 19 30 38 55 > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: gustafsson Date: 15 Feb 1999 10:35:00 -0500 eric ong wrote: > Also, Mats Gustafsson's name has come up recently. I went record shopping > the other day and saw what seemed to be a new Gustafsson duet disc with a > cello player. Nice paper packaging, limited edition I think as well. > Anyone know what I'm referring to? Any opinions on it? Well, I was > intending to buy it, but I put it down for a second and turned my back, > when someone else snatched it. Does anyone have the label info for this > disc? I'll confess that I'm just beginning to get a feel for Gustafsson's > playing, and I think I might need another push in the right direction. The disc you had in your hands is a duet with cello and trombone player Gunter Christmann. It was just released so I have yet to hear it. For Gustafsson, I recommend the duo with bassist Barry Guy 'Frogging' (Maya) and the solo 'Impropositions' (Phono Suecia). After that, the Guy/Gustafsson/Strid trio disc 'You Forget To Answer' (Maya) and the Gustafsson/Guy/Lovens 'Mouth Eating Trees An Related Activities' (OkkaDisk) are very good too. Good luck! -Tom Pratt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Caulfield Bivins Subject: Gustafsson Date: 16 Feb 1999 11:32:08 -0500 (EST) Hi, Can't remember who asked about the new Gustafsson, but you're talking about the latest Okkadisk release with Gunter Christmann (cl/tbn), "One to (Two)". I have it on good authority that this one is extreme even for Mats, a dense furrow of Euro-squeaky music. Sounds good to me, but if you want to check out MG at the intial stages try some Aaly Trio (with or without Ken Vandermark, whose fave metal band is Meshuggah by the way), "Mouht Eating Trees" with Guy and Lovens, FJF (with Chicago folks), or the Music & Arts set with Crispell, Guy and Strid. On a different note, does anyone out there know what the next batch of Impulse! New Thing releases holds in store? Jason Bivins - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Prins Date: 16 Feb 1999 08:33:13 -0800 On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:06:54 -0500 Tom Pratt wrote: > > He's on a good amount of CD's - all on the X-OR label he runs with saxophonist > Luc Houtkamp (with the exception of the Gorgonzola Legs disc). I have the solo > NOISE CAPTURE and LIVE IN CANADA '97 with Houtkamp and Fred van Hove. The solo > disc is a very dynamic organization of sounds from percussion, TV, radio and > electronics which I would loosely describe as David Tudor meets Trent Reznor. The > trio disc is a very long improvisation. They're both okay/good... There's also a > trio disc with Mats Gustafsson and Misha Mengelberg and two CD's with an ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have that one and found the drumming of Prins fairly annoying... This makes me realize that nothing is more boring than an experimental drummer who tries to play what he perceives as rock beat. On this record there are a few moments of 2/2 beat than even a kid in a rock band would never dare to try. As another example of really boring drumming (from somebody who should know better), what about Chris Cutler on the last (no comment) John Greaves? Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: Drew Gress' Jagged Sky Date: 16 Feb 1999 16:07:22 -0300 >Be very pleased to read a review of the first cd, and the name of the >label As far as I know it was released by Soul Note. Can't write a review as I listened to only one track on the radio, anyway it was truly interesting. I hope this helps, Hugo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Gustafsson Date: 16 Feb 1999 18:33:32 EST In a message dated 2/16/99 11:35:25 AM, jbivins@indiana.edu writes: << On a different note, does anyone out there know what the next batch of Impulse! New Thing releases holds in store? >> I'm sure others can shed more light on this than me, but I think that Impulse and Verve are currently pretty much on hold while their rosters are being "merged" (read: chopped to pieces). I'm pretty sure there's no concrete plans for another set of Impulse reissues as of now, although I haven't heard any rumors about this program being shut down. I'd love to hear any other info that anyone has. Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: my mistake (although still boring) Date: 16 Feb 1999 16:50:29 -0800 On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:33:13 -0800 "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: > > I have that one and found the drumming of Prins fairly annoying... This makes me > realize that nothing is more boring than an experimental drummer who tries to play > what he perceives as rock beat. On this record there are a few moments of 2/2 beat > than even a kid in a rock band would never dare to try. As another example of > really boring drumming (from somebody who should know better), what about Chris > Cutler on the last (no comment) John Greaves? Like a few of you noticed it, I was thinking in fact of the last Peter Blegvad record (HANGMAN's HILL on ReR). Sorry for the confusion, Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danny Maurer Subject: sources for jap avant? (no zorn) Date: 16 Feb 1999 18:18:46 -0800 (PST) Hey all. I was wondering if anyone here knows of any sources (magazine articles, net pages, books, anything...) concerning Japanese experimental artists and their relationship to Japanese culture? I'm doing a paper on why Japan in particular has produced so many "avant" artists, and any help would be greatly appreciated. e-mail me at rudycrew@yahoo.com. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kriist@aol.com Subject: a newbie here Date: 17 Feb 1999 01:51:11 EST ok, ive been on the list for a few weeks now and ive sat here silently reading i cant take much more now though what is masada? what is klezmer? and what would be a good start for a zorn listener? and what are some good intense/bold/punk/jazz artist? thanks in advance rodrigo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Blind Subject: Re: sources for jap avant? (no zorn) Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:14:09 +0200 http://www.oceanofk.org/artskool/jem/ad.html This site by the composer Nicholas Kent is dedicated generally and only to Japanese artists and includes frequently updatet discographies and some comments as well; not a magazine, though. L.B. > Hey all. I was wondering if anyone here knows of any sources (magazine > articles, net pages, books, anything...) concerning Japanese > experimental artists and their relationship to Japanese culture? I'm > doing a paper on why Japan in particular has produced so many "avant" > artists, and any help would be greatly appreciated. e-mail me at > rudycrew@yahoo.com. > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: Re: a newbie here Date: 17 Feb 1999 03:57:58 EST In a message dated 2/17/99 1:54:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, Kriist@aol.com writes: > what would be a good start for a zorn listener? in no particular order: john zorn - naked city john zorn - cobra painkiller - buried secrets zorn/frisell/lewis - news for lulu john zorn - spillane - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.T. de Boer" Subject: Re: Prins Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:28:56 +0200 You're absolutely right about that! Yesterday this was confirmed to me again while attending a concert of the Michael Moore Trio, featuring Lindsey Horner and Michael Vatcher. They were playing a couple of Bob Dylan tunes and in one of them Vatcher *tried* to play an extremely simple 4/4. The tunes already were interpreted in a really boring way, but when even the beat isn't ok, they ask an awful lot of your attention. > I have that one and found the drumming of Prins fairly annoying... This makes me > realize that nothing is more boring than an experimental drummer who tries to play > what he perceives as rock beat. Jeroen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" Subject: Vatcher was Re: Prins Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:58:26 +0100 Now don't anybody dare say something against Michael Vatcher... after all he played with Zorn! ;-) so... - Discography of Michael Vatcher anyone? and - Who's the worst drummer Zorn ever played with? Stephane -----Original Message----- You're absolutely right about that! Yesterday this was confirmed to me again while attending a concert of the Michael Moore Trio, featuring Lindsey Horner and Michael Vatcher. They were playing a couple of Bob Dylan tunes and in one of them Vatcher *tried* to play an extremely simple 4/4. The tunes already were interpreted in a really boring way, but when even the beat isn't ok, they ask an awful lot of your attention. > I have that one and found the drumming of Prins fairly annoying... This makes me > realize that nothing is more boring than an experimental drummer who tries to play > what he perceives as rock beat. Jeroen - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: a newbie here/ suggestions Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:15:23 -0300 Kriis@aol.com wrote: >what would be a good start for a zorn listener? I'd suggest: For fever, noise, screams, sick heavy trash and fun John Zorn- Naked City (Nonesuch) Naked City- Radio (Avant) For jazz alla John Zorn Zorn/Lewis/Frisell- News For Lulu (hat ART) Zorn/Lewis/Frisell- More News For Lulu - This a live recording (hat Art) For a "poppy" soundtrack John Zorn- Filmworks 1986-1990 (Tzadik) For a Jewish "Ornetish" juice with amazing melodies Masada- 6 (DIW) Masada- 9 (DIW) Or any other Masada Getting Heaven and Hell through Masada String Trio and others Masada Chamber Ensembles- Bar Kokhba (Tzadik) John Zorn- Filmworks 8 (Tzadik) John Zorn- The Circle Maker (Tzadik) Just my opinion, Happy listening! Hugo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: Masada-like jazz/ Pachora Date: 17 Feb 1999 11:38:29 -0300 Jeroen wrote: >They (Pachora) just released their second album, and it's fantastic That's right. I second this, after a couple listenings. A truly fine disc. >The only (sometimes) weak factor of this band is the playing of Chris >Speed. To my opinion his sound is too thin. Don't want to begin a thread with this, but Speed's playing throught _Umm_ is ok to my ears. Anyway, I don't know what exactly is considered a woodwind's thin sound. IMHO, Speed's sound fits perfectly this way. Just my two pesos, Hugo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: a newbie here/ suggestions Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:14:51 -0600 (CST) On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 hulinare@bemberg.com.ar wrote: > Kriis@aol.com wrote: > > >what would be a good start for a zorn listener? "Music for Children" gives a good overview, with chamber music, Naked City material, noise, and other stuff all on the one disc. - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: eric ong Subject: Re: Wachsmann Date: 17 Feb 1999 11:52:33 -0500 Hello, one last addition to this thread. I got this info from Steve Lake and thought the list might be interested... >No current U.S. release date is listed for the Wachsmann/Lovens or the Maya >Homburger / Barry Guy, but we can hope. And if we can't hope, we can order >online. Just out in Europe is the duo album of Philipp Wachsmann and Paul Lytton "Some Other Season". The contributions Phil and Paul made to Evan Parker's "Toward The Margins" were so exceptional that we felt a duo album was imperative. Lytton's "kit" practically filled the Winterthur studio - great heaps of multi-ethnic drums and cymbals, scrap metal, buckets of water, shell-cases, and a tangle of electric wires. Against the dangerous sounds emanating from all of this, Wachsmann juxtaposed his often delicate, immensely accomplished violin and viola playing... The follow-up to "Toward The Margins" with Evan Parker's Electro-Acoustic Ensemble was recorded in England in December. It's called "Drawn Inward" (palindrome) and is both more "electro" and more "acoustic" than its predecessor. Electronics manipulator Lawrence Casserley's been added to the band. Two particularly effective pieces feature untreated (i.e. acoustic )Evan Parker circular-breathing multiphonic/multidimensional soprano solos surrounded by the strings of Wachsmann and Barry Guy which are digitally mutiplied by the electronics players - the sound is immense. Like the Evan Parker Symphony Orchestra, almost. Apropos Evan - I should also mention that he's shortly to make his ECM producer d=E9but. EP was at the controls for the forthcoming Kenny Wheeler album "A Long Time Ago; Music for Brass Ensemble and Soloists". This is a rich-sounding album, with beautiful Wheeler compositions, and magisterial flugelhorn playing. Those who have Evan pigeonholed as unforgiving avant-gardist will be surprised by this production... The next one to be released in the States is the Joe Maneri-Mat Maneri duo album "Blessed" - which came out in Europe last June. Nerve-ends-exposed microtonal improvising. Dark stuff. Pleasurably harrowing is how I hear it, there's a lot of father/son love and friction running through the music. By now I'm completely addicted to the melting pitches of the Maneris' soundworld, though - so I'm not an objective commentator. "Blessed" has been both greatly admired and profoundly hated - variously regarded as the work of geniuses and madmen - by our friends in the press. Coming out in Europe in May or thereabouts is "Tales of Rohnlief" with the Maneris plus Barre Phillips, which is quite different in character. Much more playful. One of the nice things is the way that Mat and Barre meet outside the expected ranges of their respective instruments - Mat on 6-string violin, Barre on 5-string bass...sometimes it's as if you're hearing cello/guitar duets. Joe's less than great health doesn't always allow him to play clarinet (there's hardly any on "Blessed") but we were lucky with "Rohnlief"; he's in top form. Joe also contributes some spoken word pieces in a language of his own invention, which I think are both funny and touching. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: re: organic trio Date: 17 Feb 1999 12:50:49 -0500 _______________________________________________________________________________ The third member of the Organic Trio is Cooper-Moore, a brilliant musician not seen enough. He is the pianist in William Parker's In Order to Survive, but in OTrio he primarily plays percussion and homemade instruments. Seeing him play and even hearing him talk is not to be missed. He is a unique and beautiful performer. I've only seen him play a few times, twice with the Organic Trio. The OTrio and IO2Survive are two of the strongest bands in NYC, in my opinion. Sorry if I'm going overboard on this, but... The OTrio recently played what I believe was their second set ever (the Cooler I guess will be the third) at a space I book in Chelsea, called Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum. Cooper has also agreed to play a benefit we're having in April to get a piano (along with Myra Melford, others TBA). I'm a recent returnee to the Zorn-list and want to ask a question of decorum. I'd love to post our monthly gigs here. Past shows have included Tim Berne, Assif Tsahar & Susie Ibarra, Roy Campbell and Test. We're a small nonprofit with little money for advertising (but with a nice room, good accoustics, seats 100+). Would putting our gigs up here be a flagrant act of promotion in the untethered and free zone or Zorn, or are the New Yorkers here kicking themselves that they haven't heard about us yet. Contact me and I'll also work on putting together our own email list for gigs. We do jazz/improv once a month. Thanks Kurt Gottschalk at Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Handley" Subject: VICTO! (is in the air) Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:14:49 PST Has everybody gotten their advance Victoriaville Festival de Musique Actuelle 1999 schedule? Wow. Looks pretty good. I think the advance complete fest package is even cheaper this year than it was last year, averaging about $7 American each concert. For those who haven't gotten it, a few highlights include (from memory): John Zorn and Milford Graves Brotzmann Tentet (w/what appears to be the DIE LIKE A DOG quartet as part...good news: Toshinori Kondo, bad news: no Joe McPhee) Merzbow (ouch!) Iva Bittova & .... Christian Marclay, Thurston Moore, and Lee Ranaldo Some group w/ Otomo Yoshihide and others, from japan An Argentinian (Brazilian?) free saxist whose name I can't remember---I'm kicking muself, he's famous, records a lot for Leo---plus a string quartet A bunch of others. If no one else has the info, I can post it tonight. ---scott ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: VICTO/ free saxist Date: 17 Feb 1999 15:55:46 -0300 Scott wrote: >An Argentinian (Brazilian) free saxist whose name I can't remember--- I guess you're talking about Ivo Perelman. He's from Brazil. Hugo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: what is the label "HoCP"? Date: 17 Feb 1999 11:20:18 -0800 The last DMG new release list mentions a few releases by Eugene Chadbourne: 16.EUGENE CHADBOURNE-Wild Partner (HoCP 006) Outstanding avant duos w/ great fellow guitarists-Davey Williams, Duck Baker, Loren Mazzacane & banjo hero-Tony Trischka!! $14. 18.EUGENE CHADBOURNE-Horror Part One (HoCP 004) More musical insanity from Dr. Chad, a tribute to Hitchcock, Godzilla, The Thing, vampires... and a cover of Ayler's "Witches & Devils." $14. Does anybody know what "HoCP" is? Where is the label from? How long has it been in existence? The address? etc. Thanks, Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: what is the label "HoCP"? Date: 17 Feb 1999 14:27:13 EST In a message dated 2/17/99 2:22:12 PM, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: << Does anybody know what "HoCP" is? Where is the label from? How long has it been in existence? The address? etc. >> House of Chadponk. it's a new sublabel of Ponk records that's doing a new Chadbourne record every month or so in really small quantities, 100 or 200. try www.ponk.com. Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Masada-like jazz/ Pachora Date: 17 Feb 1999 15:28:28 EST In a message dated 2/17/99 9:45:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, hulinare@bemberg.com.ar writes: > Jeroen wrote: > > >They (Pachora) just released their second album, and it's fantastic > > That's right. I second this, after a couple listenings. A truly fine > disc. I'm thirding the recommendation, and if you ever get the chance to see them live, do so. They are in Europe right now. I dont think the clarinet sounds thin at all. It sounds perfect to my ears, in fact I'd say it sounds nice and meaty. The sound overall on this disc is outstanding, as it should be having been recorded in one of the best studios in NYC. -Jody - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Masada-like jazz/ Pachora Date: 17 Feb 1999 12:55:45 -0800 On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:28:28 EST IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote: > > I'm thirding the recommendation, and if you ever get the chance to see them > live, do so. They are in Europe right now. I dont think the clarinet sounds > thin at all. It sounds perfect to my ears, in fact I'd say it sounds nice and I am more and more impressed by Chris' sound on clarinet. I was just listening to the last (superb if you like celtic music) Susan McKeown record and was thinking: what a gorgeous sound (Chris appears on a few tracks)! Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: Neues Kabarett at the Brecht Forum Date: 17 Feb 1999 18:43:38 -0500 OK, I've been encouraged to go ahead and post Neues Kabarett gigs here, even if Zorn hasn't played (yet). I'll give a few quick words of introduction, but anyone who would like our press release (listing gigs scheduled through June) or would like some more information about what the devil the Brecht Forum is, email me privately. In brief, the Brecht Forum is a nonprofit school and organization working for social change and diverse progressive political ideas. It used to be called The Marxist School and it used to be on Leonard St., right by where a well-known Factory now resides in New York City. Back then, people like Tim Berne and Rob Brown apparently used to play, but that's before my time. Since October last, we've been putting on monthly gigs of improvised music. Everyone working on the series (myself included) is a volunteer. Musicians get 80% of the door, the rest goes to the school. Our next gig is 2/27. Andrew Bemkey and Kin-Ship (brilliant young pianist who often plays with Reggie Workman) with a quartet, followed by 2 sets of William Parker solo. Door at 8, $12. On March 27, we are cosponsoring with the Noise Action Coalition (a group of NY musicians fighting for better club pay) a discussion on musicians working conditions. Likely panelists include NAC member Marc Ribot and Jim Pugliese. I'll forward more info as it becomes available. Thanks. Please come. Support noncorporate-financed live music! And say hi when you get there. Kurt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FJG_Lamerikx Subject: Mauricio Kagel Date: 18 Feb 1999 08:32:39 +0100 (MET) I've been wanting to pick up Mauricio Kagel's "Exotica" for a long time, but yesterday I noticed that there are at least two version available. I saw one by the Ensemble Modern, and one in the "cheap" series of Deutsche Grammophon. Could anyone here shed some light on the different versions, and which would be the best one to pick up? Also, I read that Deutsche Grammophon are releasing the complete "Sequenza" series of Berio. Any word on that? Frankco. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard@rcvs.org.uk Subject: Re: Wachsmann Date: 18 Feb 1999 10:15:07 -0000 Wachsmann fans may like to know that he has a new disk out (or coming out soon) on FMR, with the group Icarus. It's very nice -- rather relaxed, quiet improv but with characteristic restlessness. I have a review of it ready to post up on (musings), but it hasn't got that far yet. If there's enough interest I'll post it here first. Richard Cochrane Visit (musings), a resource for free jazz, experimental and otherwise non-standard musics: http://come.to/musings.com ...now with its own mailing list, musings-l - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Felix" Subject: News for Lulu (was: a newbie here/ suggestions) Date: 17 Feb 1999 21:28:36 +0100 >For jazz alla John Zorn >Zorn/Lewis/Frisell- News For Lulu (hat ART) >Zorn/Lewis/Frisell- More News For Lulu - This a live recording (hat Art) Hello, I've been wanting to ask this for quite some time now... I never heard any of the above and was interested in whatever you can say about it. What is it like, compared to other Zorn or Frisell projects? Thanks - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Douglas Clarke" Subject: Re: VICTO! (is in the air) Date: 18 Feb 1999 05:20:01 PST >From: "Scott Handley" >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Subject: VICTO! (is in the air) >Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:14:49 PST >Has everybody gotten their advance Victoriaville Festival de Musique >Actuelle 1999 schedule? When and where is this? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen drury Subject: xenakis and boulez music in boston Date: 18 Feb 1999 08:36:11 -0500 for those in the boston area: "Structures, book II" for 2 pianos by Pierre Boulez and "Echange" for bass clarinet and large ensemble by Iannis Xenakis will be performed by the Callithumpian Consort at New England Conservatory on Monday, along with a set of hideous black noise. Performers are Jung Hee Shin and Andrew Infanti, pianos, and Gary Gorczyca, bass-clarinet. Info: Monday, Feb. 22, 8 pm Jordan Hall at New England Conservatory 250 Huntington Ave, Boston, Mass free - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis summers Subject: Drumming Date: 18 Feb 1999 07:57:29 -0700 >I have that one and found the drumming of Prins fairly annoying... This makes me >realize that nothing is more boring than an experimental drummer who tries to play >what he perceives as rock beat. On this record there are a few moments of 2/2 beat >than even a kid in a rock band would never dare to try. As another example of >really boring drumming (from somebody who should know better), what about Chris >Cutler on the last (no comment) John Greaves? I'm no musician, so maybe this question will totally show my ignorance, but... Doesn't the idea that experimental drummers being unable to play simple rock beats support the attitude (not one I agree with) that experimental musicians can't really play "properly"? ***Quantum Dance Works*** ****http://ic.net/~denniss**** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Wachsmann Date: 18 Feb 1999 10:05:36 EST In a message dated 2/18/99 5:36:28 AM, Richard@rcvs.org.uk writes: << Wachsmann fans may like to know that he has a new disk out (or coming out soon) on FMR, with the group Icarus. >> who else is in Icarus? Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: Drumming Date: 18 Feb 1999 10:27:17 -0500 -*- I'm no musician, so maybe this question will totally show my ignorance, -*- but... Doesn't the idea that experimental drummers being unable to play -*- simple rock beats support the attitude (not one I agree with) that -*- experimental musicians can't really play "properly"? If you equate by some stretch of the imagination that simple rock beats have anything to do with playing percussion "properly", then perhaps. Of course, this would assume that they would A) want to play simple rock beats, and B) even care. I know people who are fantastic percussionists with exemplary technique that wouldn't touch a traditional trap set with a ten foot pole (unless they were going to knock it over with it). -- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m - a - t - t - h - e - w | r - o - s - s | d - a - v - i - s | | | | http://www.artswire.org/mrd | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m-e-t-a-t-r-o-n p-r-e-s-s | | | http://www.artswire.org/comma | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Drumming Date: 18 Feb 1999 09:59:03 -0600 (CST) On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, dennis summers wrote: > I'm no musician, so maybe this question will totally show my ignorance, > but... Doesn't the idea that experimental drummers being unable to play > simple rock beats support the attitude (not one I agree with) that > experimental musicians can't really play "properly"? Only if the speaker is working from the narrowly (whatever)-centric idea that rock beats are at the core of all "proper" drumming. I don't doubt that there are, say, expert tabla players who have never had a reason to learn rock drumming either. - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Drumming Date: 18 Feb 1999 08:29:27 -0800 On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 07:57:29 -0700 dennis summers wrote: > > I'm no musician, so maybe this question will totally show my ignorance, > but... Doesn't the idea that experimental drummers being unable to play > simple rock beats support the attitude (not one I agree with) that > experimental musicians can't really play "properly"? My comment was more about some experimental drummers' lack of feel for what a rock beat really is, nothing with technique. Which means that when used in a rock context, they can be fairly boring and uninspired. Anyway, with few exceptions, everytime I have heard a boring drumming recently, it was by an experimental drummer trying to play (what he thought was) a rock rhythm. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Hale Subject: Re: Drumming Date: 18 Feb 1999 13:04:21 -0500 > On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 07:57:29 -0700 dennis summers wrote: > > > > I'm no musician, so maybe this question will totally show my ignorance, > > but... Doesn't the idea that experimental drummers being unable to play > > simple rock beats support the attitude (not one I agree with) that > > experimental musicians can't really play "properly"? Susie Ibarra told me that she practices rudiments (the drumming basics) for an hour or two everyday. With that foundation and an open mind, you can go anywhere. James Hale - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Hale Subject: Re: VICTO! (is in the air) Date: 18 Feb 1999 13:01:19 -0500 Douglas Clarke wrote: > >Has everybody gotten their advance Victoriaville Festival de Musique > >Actuelle 1999 schedule? > > When and where is this? May 20-24. Victoriaville, Quebec About 90 minutes by car southeast of Montreal, or 8 hours north of Boston/New York City. James Hale - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?joaqu=EDn_villaverde?=" Subject: RE: Mauricio Kagel Date: 18 Feb 1999 13:17:45 +0100 I have the DG release. The musicians are: Michel Portal, Vinko Globokar, Christoph Caskel, Wilhelm Bruck, Theodor Ross and Siegfried Palm, under the direction of Kagel. It´s a good version, recorded in 1972. But I prefer other Kagel works, for example: Sankt-Bach Passion (Auvidis Montaigne) Joaquín - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Mauricio Kagel Date: 18 Feb 1999 12:22:12 -0800 On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:17:45 +0100 "=?iso-8859-1?Q?joaqu=EDn_villaverde?=" wrote: > > I have the DG release. > The musicians are: Michel Portal, Vinko Globokar, Christoph Caskel, Wilhelm > Bruck, Theodor Ross and Siegfried Palm, under the direction of Kagel. > It´s a good version, recorded in 1972. > But I prefer other Kagel works, for example: Sankt-Bach Passion (Auvidis > Montaigne) It is the first time that I hear something positive about the Kagel records on Montaigne. I mean, most DG being collector items, Montaigne is the main source of Kagel's records, but they document mainly his recent period which is not as exciting (to stay polite) as what he was doing in the '60 and '70. Anyway, is there really some good Kagel records on Montaigne (and I am asking that to people who know ACUSTICA, STAATTHEATER, LUDWIG VAN, etc). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: 2xCD on Vinyl Communications (Otomo Yoshihide?) Date: 18 Feb 1999 12:33:26 -0800 A puzzle for the Otomo fans. I just bought a record on the label Vinyl Communications. It is a 2xCD in a transparent case without the slightest mention of the artist... Because the record was in the Otomo Yoshihide section, I assume it a record by him (and I am pretty sure it is him -- great music with CDs which keep on slipping :-). Anyway, did the store losts the sleeve of the record, or is it really the way it is supposed to be sold? Also, any info about the record would be more than welcome. *** - ???: ??? ???? - Vinyl Communications (USA), vc134 (2xCD) Thanks, Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: RE: Mauricio Kagel Date: 18 Feb 1999 15:39:08 EST In a message dated 2/18/99 3:13:01 PM, j-villaverde@mx3.redestb.es writes: << I have the DG release. The musicians are: Michel Portal, Vinko Globokar, Christoph Caskel, Wilhel= m Bruck, Theodor Ross and Siegfried Palm, under the direction of Kagel. It=B4s a good version, recorded in 1972. >> is this available on CD or just vinyl? Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: 2xCD on Vinyl Communications (Otomo Yoshihide?) Date: 18 Feb 1999 15:44:49 EST In a message dated 2/18/99 3:37:45 PM, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: << I just bought a record on the label Vinyl Communications. It is a 2xCD in a transparent case without the slightest mention of the artist... Because the record was in the Otomo Yoshihide section, I assume it a record by him (and I am pretty sure it is him -- great music with CDs which keep on slipping :-). Anyway, did the store losts the sleeve of the record, or is it really the way it is supposed to be sold? Also, any info about the record would be more than welcome. >> actually. this has nothing to do with Otomo. the artist name is DISC, which came on a little paper insert on the outside. it's a group from California having something to do with Matmos, and frankly, I was underwhelmed. most of the Vinyl Communications stuff has capsule descriptions on the Forced Exposure site, including a few other releases by Disc, although not this one. always full of answers, Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ethan Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #597 Date: 18 Feb 1999 16:07:00 -0500 (EST) vc134 is by an artist called "disc," who has at least one other release on vinyl communications. http://vinylcomm.console.net/release.cgi?id=VC-134 ethan > From: "Patrice L. Roussel" > Subject: 2xCD on Vinyl Communications (Otomo Yoshihide?) > > ???? - Vinyl Communications (USA), vc134 (2xCD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Mauricio Kagel Date: 18 Feb 1999 13:16:06 -0800 On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:39:08 EST JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > > is this available on CD or just vinyl? This is one of the very few CD reissues of DG treasures. Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?joaqu=EDn_villaverde?=" Subject: RE: Mauricio Kagel Date: 18 Feb 1999 22:39:15 +0100 It´s on CD ref 445 252-2. (20th century classics) The other piece on the cd is: Tactil for three, with Bruck, Ross & Kagel. Joaquín - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Howard Subject: Jaki Byard Dead Date: 18 Feb 1999 16:33:54 -0600 From a friend of mine: folks: more bad jazz news: heard today on WKCR that the great pianist Jaki Byard died last week. Davo heard from Morgan Kelsey (former pupil) that he was found last Thursday shot in the head at his home in Queens. His crackhead son is the prime suspect... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob Allaert" Subject: Downtown Lullaby Date: 19 Feb 1999 00:20:56 +0100 Hi JazZorns, I recently bought "Downtown Lullaby" by Zorn and friends. To me, a Masada lover, it was like one step further, more improvising, more chaos (at times). But I must say that I like the record very much and I'm ready to love it even more. Sometimes I wonder if it's OK to like this type of music :-) Is this "just" four people playing their own song and then pasting it all together or is it sublime and intelligently produced? I'm inclined to believe the latter. I'm curious to find out what the other Zornlisters think about this album and this type of music in general. I also wonder if "Euclid's Nightmare" is comparable with "Lullaby" and if Zorn has made or will be making more jazz music as a quartet. Thanks a lot - Rob, Belgium - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: Re: News for Lulu (was: a newbie here/ suggestions) Date: 18 Feb 1999 20:43:44 EST In a message dated 2/18/99 8:00:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt writes: > What is it like, compared to other Zorn or Frisell projects? gtr, sax, and bone. very straight ahead stuff and VERY groovin. any1 who says that "avant garde" guys can't swing obviously hasn't heard these records - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jason J. Tar" Subject: Disc. Date: 18 Feb 1999 21:30:52 -0500 > A puzzle for the Otomo fans. > > I just bought a record on the label Vinyl Communications. It is a 2xCD >in a transparent case without the slightest mention of the artist... Because >the record was in the Otomo Yoshihide section, I assume it a record by him Nope, not him. It is by Disc. Disc being members of Matmos, Lesser, and Kid-606 doing manipulations of skipping cds. Not Otomo at all. (The packaging should have included a J-card around the spine of the case with that info.) JJTar. --- Peace Hugs and Unity Jason J. Tar W. W. J. D? (What would Jason Do?) http://pilot.msu.edu/user/tarjason ICQ@13792120 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: benjamin elliot axelrad Subject: zorn discs for trade Date: 18 Feb 1999 21:11:57 -0600 (CST) Sorry if this is inappropriate. For sale or trade: Erik Friedlander's Chimera "The Watchman" Elliot Sharp "Figure Ground" John Zorn "Big Gundown", "Cobra (2XCD)" Zorn/Bailey/Parker "Harras" I'm particularly looking for FAX, Rather Interesting titles. Thanks, Ben - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m. rizzi" Subject: owner vacation Date: 18 Feb 1999 23:49:04 -0800 (PST) I'm going on vacation until Feb. 28th, so if anyone is having problems unsubbing from the zorn list, well, tough. It'll have to wait until I return, all fresh faced and sunburned. Have fun and play nice. mike rizzi zorn-list-owner p.s. anyone need a VC++ contractor in SF area? If so, you'll have to wait too. :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard@rcvs.org.uk Subject: Icarus/News for Lulu/rock drumming Date: 19 Feb 1999 09:54:52 -0000 Sorry to reply to several different things at once, but I figured it would save on bandwidth... > who else is in Icarus? Roger Curphy (double bass), Mark Wastell (cello), Carol Ann Jackson (voice) and Trevor Taylor (percussion and electronics). Probably not known names outside the London scene, but they make some good music together. I think you can still find out about FMR, the label, here: http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/elabels.html#fmr > Hello, I've been wanting to ask this for quite some time now... I never > heard any of the above and was interested in whatever you can say about > it. What is it like, compared to other Zorn or Frisell projects? Thanks NFL is guitar, sax and trombone (the wonderful George Lewis) playing versions of 50's Blue Note tunes by the likes of Hank Mobley. These disks are the nearest thing to "straight" jazz I've heard Zorn do. There's not a boring minute on them, IMHO. > My comment was more about some experimental drummers' lack of feel for > what a rock beat really is, nothing with technique. Which means that > when used in a rock context, they can be fairly boring and uninspired. > Anyway, with few exceptions, everytime I have heard a boring drumming > recently, it was by an experimental drummer trying to play (what he > thought was) a rock rhythm. I think this whole debate centres around this: Q: Should people who are good musicians in one genre necessarily be good musicians in another? A: Nope. For my money the opposite opinion springs from two things: 1. The idea that techical command is something trans-generic, and that if you have great technique you can play anything (this is a myth that amateur musicians perpetuate amongst themselves); and 2. The idea that "being a great musician" is some kind of spiritual status which, again, has nothing to do with genre. If you put Hariprasad Chaurasia in a rock band he would make as much of a badger's arse of it as if John McLaughlin tried to play an evening raga . Rich Visit (musings), a resource for free jazz, experimental and otherwise non-standard musics: http://come.to/musings.com ...now with its own mailing list, musings-l - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJOERN Subject: herb robertson Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:16:49 +0100 (MET) since this list is the ultimate source for music infos please let me know something about new york trumpet player herb robertson (recordings, played live with whom etc.) thanks BJOERN www.cityinfonetz.de/uni/homepage/bjoern.eichstaedt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel) Subject: Frith concert in Munich Date: 19 Feb 1999 13:48:23 +0100 The Fred Frith Guitar Quartet (w/ Mark Stewart, René Lussier and Nick Didkovsky) gave a concert in the Unterfahrt (Munich) yesterday. First of all, if you can receive German radio, the concert will be broadcast on Bayern 2 on March 13, at 23.05 - I'm not sure whether they'll broadcast the whole show, though. It was an incredible concert. I didn't catch all of the song names, two were called "Traffic Continues" (two parts), one was called "Die Krankenschwester unsauber anlachen" (ahem) and another was, according to Fred, "inspired by a very irritating Australian bird". Never mind, all pieces were great. The interplay between the four guitarists was incredibly tight - if their album, "Ayaya Moses" is like that then this might be rather old news - and they had an intense dialogue going on. Fred and René were a bit more in the foreground, often doing some call-and-response and duels and whatever. René had an amazing solo part where got various freaky sounds out of his guitar, and at the end of it he played a little riff, then held his hands up in the air while the riff continued - since everyone was watching him & his hands, noone noticed that Fred had started to play. Another great part included a collage of amp buzzes. The band covered a large spectrum, from peaceful ballad-like stuff, to near- ambient drones, to funky (slightly atonal) rhythmic playing, a little country interlude, noise collages and more. Both Mark and Nick were more in the background, but they held everything together and contributed more sublimely, but equally great. Nick did have a great solo where his guitar almost sounded like you're switching frequencies on a shortwave radio. Oh well, I could go on forever. I do also have to praise the audience, which really went off on this stuff and applauded very enthusiastically. And I have to mention that the band was quite humorous, they certainly had a good time and enjoyed themselves, which hightened the enjoyment and, yes, the quality of the music even more. After the concert, they sold a few CDs (I got one by Nick's band, Doctor Nerve, which he also signed), and you had a chance to speak to them - I met Fred in a room near the stage where he signed three of my (his) CDs. Thanks again Fred, I guess you'll be reading this. You probably already noticed that I really loved the concert. Now I do certainly want to get some stuff by Mark, Nick and René. Any recommendations? (Besides the Ayaya Moses album, which is now on top of my shopping list.) Kind regards, - Chris. ---------------------------------------------------- Chris Genzel -- stamil@t-online.de ---------------------------------------------------- Discographies of Herbie Hancock, Michael Beinhorn & Bennie Maupin at: http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/ ---------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Denmanic@aol.com Subject: Re: herb robertson Date: 19 Feb 1999 09:18:51 EST In a message dated 2/19/99 5:18:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, bjoern.eichstaedt@student.uni-tuebingen.de writes: << please let me know something about new york trumpet player herb robertson (recordings, played live with whom etc.) >> He lives in Germany now. He's played live with me (Denman Maroney, piano) in several contexts: "Mean Times" (a band of mine that's only performed once or twice) with Ellery Eskelin (sax), Mark Dresser (bass), Phil Haynes (drums). "Mark Dresser's Force Green" with Theo Bleckmann (voice) and Mike Sarin (drums) - the original band (that recorded for Soul Note) had Dave Douglas (tpt) and Phil Haynes. "Iota Jot Yod" (a band that existed from 1980-83) with Shelley Hirsch (voice), David Simons (drums) and either Skip LaPlante, Ed Schuller, Arthur Kell or Ed Howard (bass). He's played live with many, many other people, too. Consistently very finely, too, I'm sure. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Handley" Subject: Re: herb robertson Date: 19 Feb 1999 06:31:32 PST ><< please let me know > something about new york trumpet player herb robertson (recordings, played > live with whom etc.) >> I don't believe his work with Tim Berne has been mentioned. It's great: he's prominent on SANCTIFIED DREAMS, PACE YOURSELF, and the one long composition on DIMINUTIVE MYSTERIES. Also outstanding is his work as the new(est) member of the New Winds w/ J.D. Parran and Robert Dick (I think). He had at least one solo record on JMT which I think is out of print. And the big news is that Screwgun might be releasing a Big Satan (Ducret, Berne, Rainey) record with Robertson guesting. I can only pray that happens soon (the first Big Satan is well worth your time...I liked it loads, and it's recorded beautifully). ----s ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard@rcvs.org.uk Subject: Re: Give me more Masada Style Date: 19 Feb 1999 15:05:27 -0000 I know this is rather late, but I've been racking my brains to remember this guy's name.... If you like Masada and you'd like something more klezmer, less freeform, Andy Statman is a brilliant clarinettist who's often compared with late Coltrane; he's not an "energy" player, but uses very intricate melodic lines and complex polyrhythms. Well worth catching. Hope this is still of interest to someone :-). Rich Visit (musings), a resource for free jazz, experimental and otherwise non-standard musics: http://come.to/musings.com ...now with its own mailing list, musings-l - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: herb robertson Date: 19 Feb 1999 10:21:49 -0500 (EST) I read somewhere that Robertson was now working out of Germany. Was this a temporary thing or has he become an expatriate? Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Berman" Subject: Re: Give me more Masada Style Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:31:31 -0500 If you like Masada and you'd like something more klezmer, less freeform, Andy Statman is a brilliant clarinettist who's often compared with late Coltrane; he's not an "energy" player, but uses very intricate melodic lines and complex polyrhythms. Well worth catching. .......dont know if its his most recent but, Statman has an album on Sanachie called 'between heaven and earth' w/ kenny werner p. /havie swartz b. /bob weiner perc. and guests bela fleck and david grisman mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Icarus/News for Lulu/rock drumming Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:29:35 EST In a message dated 2/19/99 5:14:17 AM, Richard@rcvs.org.uk writes: << Roger Curphy (double bass), Mark Wastell (cello), Carol Ann Jackson (voice) and Trevor Taylor (percussion and electronics). Probably not known names outside the London scene, but they make some good music together. >> actually, I saw Wastell perform in Simon Fell's IST trio in November in Cambridge and really enjoyed it, as I did his performance on IST's Ghost Notes disc on Bruce's Fingers. Wastell is also on a superlimited CD (only 100 made) I picked up at that concert called Assumed Possibilities, along with Chris Burn, Phil Durrant and Rhodri Davies on harp, who's also the third member of IST. thanks for the info on Icarus; looking forward to hearing that one. Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "hijk" Subject: RE : herb robertson Date: 19 Feb 1999 10:49:24 -0500 About the Screwgun Big Satan with Herb that was mentioned, Herb never played with Big Satan at the knit. He was supposed to, but had to cancel due to a family illness. The Big Satan shows were recorded and may see the light of day eventually. Also in Screwgun news, the reissue of Julius Hemhphill's Blue Boye is now available at your local hip record store. JK hijk@gateway.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin T Laird Subject: Cobra Date: 19 Feb 1999 10:31:06 -0800 (PST) I've been scouring the global information network for a copy of the rules for John Zorn's "Cobra" game, with no luck. Does anyone out there know where I might find them? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Douglas Clarke" Subject: Re: Cobra Date: 19 Feb 1999 10:48:12 PST >Justin T Laird wrote: >I've been scouring the global information network for a copy of the rules >for John Zorn's "Cobra" game, with no luck. Does anyone out there >know >where I might find them? In the booklet of the yellow double cd cobra set is the code for what all the hand signals mean. The way the hand signals work is that you point to that part of your body, then hold up that number of digits. And if your signal is recognized by the prompter, he will then hold up the corresponding card. So its a start. The rest I have gotton by watching. I wish I had the card in front of me because I could then explain much better, but, head 1, 2, and 3 are sound memories. When a certain groove or ensemble gets going, a player can assign it a sound memory. Then, that memory can be called later, and the same group/groove will be played again. During the game, players could also create small ensembles or pairs by, with approval from the prompter, putting on a headband and giving them control to pick who they want to play with. Also several commands can be called such as everyone stop, evryone go, cartoon trades (where every player plays a note or burst in sequence), crossfade between two groups or sound memories, etc. Players may also stop other players from playing by holding up their thumb to them, and can invite them to play by doing like a "come here" gesture with their forefinger. I'd better stop, this may not all be correct. It just what I've picked up from watching. But there's certainly much more to it! -Doug ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Derek Bailey-Playbacks Date: 19 Feb 1999 13:53:51 EST well, this has finally made it into stores and it's a really great record, my early front-runner for record of the year. the idea is that a bunch of different musicians have created prerecorded rhythms for Bailey to play over. the project was curated by Sasha Frere-Jones (it's on his label, Bingo) and he instructed the musicians to "Create an active rhythm that Derek would like playing with". Bailey seems especially inspired on this disc, and some of the backing tracks are really great, with musicians like Darryl Moore (also known as D., a London-based electronics musician), Henry Kaiser, Sasha himself (easily my favorite track by him), John Oswald (Bailey declined to play over this one, saying "He's effected such an improvement on how my stuff usually sounds, I thought it better to leave it alone."), and Loren Mazzacane and Jim O'Rourke (Bailey does an improvised vocal over their guitars). plus lots of the Tortoise crew. now, all that being said, here's a cut and paste from Mr. Kaiser's web page: CONSUMER ALERT CONSUMER ALERT CONSUMER ALERT CONSUMER ALERT FROM: Henry Kaiser TO: whom it may concern There is this new CD on BINGO label by DEREK BAILEY entitled: DEREK BAILEY PLAY BACKS. ALL of the first pressing of this are DEFECTIVE. They may or may not ever do a second pressing. The CD is composed of backing tracks by various folks that Bailey is overdubbed over. Jim O'Rourke, John Oswald, Darryl Moore are some of the backing tracker preparers. I produced three backing tracks for the CD: one is mine: HK d & B (4:44) one is from John French: JF drums (7:54) one is from a Burmese drummer, Ko Thein Htay: CLB drums (4:02) this a total of 16:49 minutes, which is slightly more than 25% of the CD. All three of these tracks were mastered with the backing tracks OUT-OF-PHASE while Derek's guitar overdubs are IN-PHASE; this means that most of the music on the backing tracks phase cancels and disappears or sounds terrible. They sound really really awful. The lead tabla on my track completely cancels out and disappears. This sems to be a technical error that took place in mixing before mastering. The record company does not care at all and does not want to fix the problem. I'm really sad about this because the tracks would sound great if the CD was remastered with correct phase mixes of those selections. I apologize if anyone buys this and feels ripped off by the terrible sound. But it was not my fault. Write the record company and tell them to correct it. Or return your CD and ask for a replacement if you already bought one. BINGO RECORDS 295 Greenwich Street NYC NY 10007 sadly, HENRY KAISER what I'm kind of hoping for is a radically different version to come out, so then I'll have two new great Bailey discs. Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Risser Subject: Re: Cobra Date: 19 Feb 1999 14:53:29 -0500 Doug, that all sounds about right. However, it neglects the real questions which is, why can't anyone find a goddamn copy of the score? A long time ago, I had the opportunity to steal one, and to this day, I kick myself that I didn't. There must be tons of people in the NY area who've played Cobra and have seen the score. I bet there are even people on this list. Also, it's weird that you can't buy Zorn scores, or at least no-one on the list knows how. Why the mystery? "Come out to show dem!" Peter - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Risser Subject: Two New Discs Date: 19 Feb 1999 16:42:51 -0500 I got two new Tzadik discs that I love: The first is Annie Gosfield's Burnt Ivory and Tangled Wires which uses samples, many from ill-tempered (as opposed to well-tempered, hehheh) or severely decrepit pianos. Then she weaves them together to make great pieces, including a lot of rhythm, which I like. Some parts are even super heavy, like the kinda music I'd love to make on a piano, and rock hard. Anyway, I think it's great all the way through. The second is the Makigami Koichi Electric Eel disc. A full disc of jaw-harp imrpovs, it's way better than it has any right to be. I was curious, but these guys RULE. It's hard to describe. The ambient buzzes and rhtyhms of the harps come together so well. They do a great job. Also got Hex Kitchen by Ikue Mori which rules just as well. Anyone else heard these to second my opinions? Peter - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William York Subject: News for Lulu/ Sonny Clark Date: 19 Feb 1999 21:34:02 -0500 (EST) > NFL is guitar, sax and trombone (the wonderful George Lewis) > playing versions of 50's Blue Note tunes by the likes of Hank > Mobley. These disks are the nearest thing to "straight" jazz I've > heard Zorn do. There's not a boring minute on them, IMHO. Even straighter is The Sonny Clark Mem'l Quartet w/ Horvitz, Previte, and Ray Drummond, on Black Saint. No one ever mentions this one; its definitely straight but very good. I feel repetitive b/c I've mentioned this one before, but anyway... Can anyone tell me if there's much of a difference in the two News for Lulus? I've got 'More...', but I'm just wondering - different songs? different sound? Also, if anyone has any opinion on the Sonny Clark Cds that are in print, I'd appreciate it. The only one I've got with him is the Grant Green "complete 4tets w/ Sonny Clark" 2Cd (which is very good). Thanks, WY - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Martens Subject: Re: News for Lulu/ Sonny Clark/"Voodoo" Date: 19 Feb 1999 20:40:22 -0800 (PST) ---William York wrote: > Even straighter is The Sonny Clark Mem'l Quartet w/ Horvitz, Previte, and > Ray Drummond, on Black Saint. No one ever mentions this one; its > definitely straight but very good. I feel repetitive b/c I've mentioned > this one before, but anyway... Is this still in print? I haven't been able to find it anywhere. Eric == "We live ... lives based upon selected fictions. Our view of reality is conditioned by our position in space and time -- not by our personalities as we like to think. Thus every interpretation of reality is based upon a unique position. Two paces east or west and the whole picture is changed." Lawrence Durrell: Balthazar _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: News for Lulu/ Sonny Clark/"Voodoo" Date: 19 Feb 1999 23:46:07 EST In a message dated 2/19/99 11:40:18 PM, ericmartens@yahoo.com writes: << > Even straighter is The Sonny Clark Mem'l Quartet w/ Horvitz, Previte, and > Ray Drummond, on Black Saint. No one ever mentions this one; its > definitely straight but very good. I feel repetitive b/c I've mentioned > this one before, but anyway... Is this still in print? I haven't been able to find it anywhere. >> I didn't think that Black Saint let their stuff drop out of print, but I could be wrong. I'd be more inclined to think that your difficulty in finding it is that it's probably filed in the Sonny Clark section since the only mention of any artist on the outside of the CD is "The Sony Clark Memorial Quartet". Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William York Subject: Re: give me more masada style Date: 20 Feb 1999 00:13:51 -0500 (EST) > > If you like Masada and you'd like something more klezmer, less > freeform, Andy Statman is a brilliant clarinettist who's often > compared with late Coltrane; he's not an "energy" player, but uses > very intricate melodic lines and complex polyrhythms. Well worth > catching. I heard a few things by him on the Live at the Knitting Factory promo series for last years Texaco fest (did anyone else hear that?). He actually mentioned Coltrane and Ayler. I liked that stuff; but then we got an album of his on Sony Classical that I found to be a little polished for my taste. Just so nobody gets that expecting more freeform or less polite stuff. Also, I thought I'd chime in on the more-Masada topic. Dave Douglas/Tiny Bell Trio (I have Live in Europe and like it a lot) and the two Anthony Coleman/Sephardic Tinge discs on Tzadik are worth looking into. Not Masada clones; Douglas' is more on the Balkan side and Coleman's has some Latin 'tinges'. The first Sephardic Tinge has a really really good one called "Ladino Passacaglia" and has Joey Baron + Greg Cohen. Also, Ivo Papasov, if you like Pachora. I got his "Balkanology' tape from Wayside for $2 (is Mr. Wayside still on the Zorn list? they have great cut-out deals...) and its great if you don't mind a little production and electric instrumentation. WY - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Underground Monkey Squad Subject: Re: give me more masada style Date: 20 Feb 1999 02:34:05 -0800 (PST) I just bought FRANK LONDON AND GREG WALL: HASIDIC NEW WAVE/PSYCHO SEMETIC.... It features Greg Wall:Sax, Frank London: Trumpet, Dave Fiuczynski: Guitar, Fima Ephron: Bass and Aaron Alexander: Drums... It's klezmer style with some funk and rock grooves thrown in... i like it alot. The sticker on the outside of it said "Jimi Hendrix meets Sun Ra at a Jewish Wedding". -b _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: give me more masada style Date: 20 Feb 1999 04:36:23 -0800 Is this guitarist the one who played for then quit from the red hot chili peppers? similar name as i recall..... -patrick Underground Monkey Squad wrote: > I just bought FRANK LONDON AND GREG WALL: HASIDIC NEW WAVE/PSYCHO > SEMETIC.... > It features Greg Wall:Sax, Frank London: Trumpet, Dave Fiuczynski: > Guitar, Fima Ephron: Bass and Aaron Alexander: Drums... > > It's klezmer style with some funk and rock grooves thrown in... i like > it alot. The sticker on the outside of it said "Jimi Hendrix meets Sun > Ra at a Jewish Wedding". > -b > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: give me more masada style Date: 21 Feb 1999 00:33:20 +1100 > Is this guitarist the one who played for then quit from the red hot chili > peppers? > similar name as i recall..... > > It features Greg Wall:Sax, Frank London: Trumpet, Dave Fiuczynski: > > Guitar, Fima Ephron: Bass and Aaron Alexander: Drums... I think you're talking about John Frusciante. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Underground Monkey Squad Subject: Re: give me more masada style Date: 20 Feb 1999 12:34:14 -0800 (PST) No.. thats Jon Fruciante.. this is the guitar player for the Screaming Headless Torsos and Lunar Crush (w/ medeski) ---sheepherder@uswest.net wrote: > > Is this guitarist the one who played for then quit from the red hot chili > peppers? > similar name as i recall..... > -patrick > > Underground Monkey Squad wrote: > > > I just bought FRANK LONDON AND GREG WALL: HASIDIC NEW WAVE/PSYCHO > > SEMETIC.... > > It features Greg Wall:Sax, Frank London: Trumpet, Dave Fiuczynski: > > Guitar, Fima Ephron: Bass and Aaron Alexander: Drums... > > > > It's klezmer style with some funk and rock grooves thrown in... i like > > it alot. The sticker on the outside of it said "Jimi Hendrix meets Sun > > Ra at a Jewish Wedding". > > -b > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > - > > > > > - > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: give me more masada style Date: 20 Feb 1999 20:43:20 EST In a message dated 2/20/99 12:15:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, wyork@email.unc.edu writes: << Also, Ivo Papasov, if you like Pachora. I got his "Balkanology' tape from Wayside for $2 (is Mr. Wayside still on the Zorn list? they have great cut-out deals...) and its great if you don't mind a little production and electric instrumentation. >> Papasov is a MONSTER!! Did 2 CDs on Hannibal in the late 80s/early 90s and he's never shown up again (on our shores, that is...) I'll never forget the stunned look on David Sanborn's face when Ivo and his band appeared on one of his Night Music shows way back when...and proceeded to rip through a song in 23/8 time at a speed that would bring beads of sweat to your head just listening to it. I'd really love to find more of his recordings. Anyone know of more? =dgasque= - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alan E Kayser Subject: Sweetnighter Jazz in Philadelphia Date: 21 Feb 1999 08:59:05 -0500 Our Spring 1999 dance card is quickly filling... March 7 THE JOE MORRIS QUARTET Guitarist extraordinaire Joe Morris comes to town with Mat Maneri on violin, Chris Lightcap on bass, and Gerald Cleaver on drums. At the Unitarian Church, 21st and Chestnut, 4PM (Sunday). Tickets $15. March 9 DAVE DOUGLAS/TINY BELL TRIO Dave returns with mates Brad Shepik on guitar and Jim Black on drums. Brad and Jim are also members of Pachora, Sweetnighter's first booking just one year ago. At The Pie, 718 South Street. Tickets $15. April 30 THE VINNY GOLIA-PAUL SMOKER QUARTET In town from the West Coast, with Vinny on reeds, Smoker on trumpet, Ken Filiano on bass, and Phil Haynes drums. A rare visit to our town, with a new Nine Winds cd, "Halloween, the Sequel." At The Unitarian Church, 21st & Chestnut, 8PM. Tickets $15. May 8 ASSIF TSAHAR'S BRASS AND REEDS We have the band, no location as yet. And what a band! Assif on tenor, Susie Ibarra on drums and percussion, Herb Robertson and Cuong Vu on trumpets, Vincent Chancey French horn, Joe Daley tuba, Chris Jones soprano sax, Rob Brown alto sax. This is one not to be missed. TENTATIVE April 10 STEVE LACY!!! We are also working on some exciting summer shows, including the Mellon Jazz Festival. For more information http://home.att.net/~lankina/sweetnighter Contact Alan at aek1@erols.com for bookings or just to say hello - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregg Moore Subject: Vatcher discography Date: 21 Feb 1999 15:39:13 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------51F23129B689B18D27DDB438 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Re: Prins Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:28:56 +0200 From: "J.T. de Boer" Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, RUG, NL To: "Patrice L. Roussel" , zorn-list@xmission.com References: 1 You're absolutely right about that! Yesterday this was confirmed to me again while attending a concert of the Michael Moore Trio, featuring Lindsey Horner and Michael Vatcher. They were playing a couple of Bob Dylan tunes and in one of them Vatcher *tried* to play an extremely simple 4/4. The tunes already were interpreted in a really boring way, but when even the beat isn't ok, they ask an awful lot of your attention. > I have that one and found the drumming of Prins fairly annoying... This makes me > realize that nothing is more boring than an experimental drummer who tries to play > what he perceives as rock beat. After this exchange the other day there was a suggestion of a Vatcher discography so I've put together a list of what I have . . . Michael Vatcher Selected Discography w/ Michael Moore Quartet or quintet or something Négligé Ramboy #04 w/ Available Jelly Al(l)ways NOM 00110/01000 Monuments Ramboy #07 Happy Camp Ramboy #10 In Full Flail EarRational ECD 1013 Available Jelly (vinyl) Square Records SQ 011006 w/The Persons Live During Wartime Ramboy #03 World Surf Music EarRational ECD 1005 w/The Voice is the Matter The Voice is the Matter Ramboy #12 w/ Tristan Honsinger Picnic (vinyl) Data 852 w/Frankie Douglas On The Roof Sunchild S-FDS:098 w/ Maarten Altena Rif Claxon CD 87.1 w/ Sean Bergin's M.O.B. Live at the BimHuis BVHaast CD9202 and of course the one that makes Vatcher relavant to y'all . . . . w/John Zorn Spy vs. Spy This is by no means a complete list, but just what I got laying around the house. And I should mention, as one who happily wrestled for years with Michael's very personal concept of groove and learned more at every turn about groove, rhythmic concepts, each instruments 'place' within the music, life, nutrition, literature and so much more, that Michael is a very definate believer in the internalization of collective grooves and you'll not find him 'laying it down' in the traditional sense for others to lean on . . . so yeah, he's the sort of drummer that would ask a lot of your attention . . . as is with most of the drummers we should all be listening to I reckon . . gregg --------------51F23129B689B18D27DDB438 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Gregg Moore Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Gregg Moore n: Moore;Gregg adr: rua Bernardo Matos, 10;;;Évora;;7000;Portugal email;internet: gamoore@mail.telepac.pt tel;work: 00/351/936/2480851 tel;home: 351/66/736367 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE end: vcard --------------51F23129B689B18D27DDB438-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William York Subject: Chadbourne interview and upcoming shows Date: 21 Feb 1999 16:53:27 -0500 (EST) Sorry about all the recent Chadbourne messages, if people aren't interested, but for anyone in the region he's going to be playing in Winston Salem, NC Feb 26 and 27 at 8:30 at the Wherehouse. Its billed as "Chadfest" or something and he's doing some of his newer Insect and Western pieces and some solo stuff as well. Also, I did a radio interview with him talking about a lot of this stuff, especially his fascination with insects and the influence of that on his music, and also his ideas about recording. I can't say enough about how polite, intelligent, and easy-going he is. I am going to try to transcribe it (that and the Phillip Johnston interview which I'm still working on), and would really like for someone to post it somewhere. In any case, I can send it to anyone who wants to read it, but I should say that its going to take a week or so due to school and other stuff thats taking up time. WY - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: benjamin elliot axelrad Subject: Oslo Date: 21 Feb 1999 17:22:07 -0600 (CST) I'll be traveling to Oslo in three weeks, and I was wondering if anybody knows of good music clubs and stores. Thanks, Ben - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William York Subject: Annie Gosfield/Sonny Clark Date: 21 Feb 1999 18:51:49 -0500 (EST) > The first is Annie Gosfield's Burnt Ivory and Tangled Wires which uses > samples, many from ill-tempered (as opposed to well-tempered, hehheh) or > severely decrepit pianos. Then she weaves them together to make great > pieces, including a lot of rhythm, which I like. Some parts are even super > heavy, like the kinda music I'd love to make on a piano, and rock hard. > Anyway, I think it's great all the way through. I agree with this. Someone on the list, a few months back, talked about about some 'ill-tempered' stuff (I think they mentioned LaMonte Young) sounds like tuning demonstrations. But with this, the music itself is completely interesting and just works. One song with an old synthesizer sounds like Sun Ra, and the 10 min. piece that ROVA does is awesome. Also, the Glenn Spearman, Michiyo Yagi, David Shea, and the PHLEGM thing - can't remember their names - on Tzadik have all been excellent. > I didn't think that Black Saint let their stuff drop out of print, but I could > be wrong. I'd be more inclined to think that your difficulty in finding it is > that it's probably filed in the Sonny Clark section since the only mention of > any artist on the outside of the CD is "The Sony Clark Memorial Quartet". I got this as a used record, filed in the 'C' section, but I do think they keep it in print although I've never seen it in a store. I think this may be, like Jon said, that people don't pay attention to who is on it. WY - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Handley" Subject: Request for reviews: parkins, shea Date: 21 Feb 1999 19:54:05 PST DAVID SHEA-An Eastern Western Collected Works (Sub Rosa 134) ZEENA PARKINS-The Opium War (Einstein 010) So many excellent recordings! I am at a loss for words and money. But the above two I've had my eye on. If anyone at all has heard them, even if you don't feel like posting a "review", could you at least send me an opinion? I thought I'd just check around before ordering. I'm telling ya'll, my want-list is about sixty deep, and that's just the last six months' worth of releases.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoff S Gersh Subject: Zorn Scores Date: 22 Feb 1999 03:20:54 -0500 >Also, it's weird that you can't buy Zorn scores, or at least no-one on the >list knows how. >Why the mystery? A friend of mine who works at Carl Fisher in NYC recently told me that Zorn has been talking to CF to work out some kind of deal where they would be the publishers for his classical compositions. He wasn't sure if it's a deal where they would produce scores for sale, or for hire only....... Geoff ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: Vatcher discography Date: 22 Feb 1999 09:41:38 -0500 (EST) vatcher also plays on the ex's "instant" along with han bennink. b - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fretless6 <144music@spyral.net> Subject: Re:Sonny Clark Mem'l Quartet Date: 22 Feb 1999 09:25:27 -0500 Black Saint has just released Critics Sampler Vol 3 and "Voodoo" is one of the 9 tracks. BTW I have some pure commercial contnet if it isn't a problem: Feb. 28 - Knitting Factory Alterknit Theater 9 PM Tickets $7 "BCGKM" This group will preview material from Musso's upcoming CD release. Charles Burnham-violin Lance Carter-drums David C Gross-6 string fretless bass, electronics Toby Kasavan-keyboard Eliott Levy-reeds Robert Musso-guitar *Also March 16th at Baby Jupiter - 9 PM* David C Gross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A M" Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #599 (Zorn Charts) Date: 22 Feb 1999 11:51:18 EST > Also, it's weird that you can't buy Zorn scores, or at least no-one > on the list knows how. A while ago I wrote to Tzadik and asked if Mr Zorn's scores were available. They said that Mr Zorn signed a publishing deal with Carl Fischer recently and that they would be available in the near future. Andy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks Date: 21 Feb 1999 12:22:32 -0500 JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > well, this has finally made it into stores and it's a really great record, my > early front-runner for record of the year. I picked this one up the other day and also think it's great. Bailey gets extreme and aggressive on some tracks like I've never heard him before. On the Casey Rice track (track 3) he almost sounds like Sonny Sharrock or Arto Lindsay! I bought mine for $10 so that's another reason to pick this up. No matter what you think of it, this will at least be *interesting* to Bailey fans but I think it's far more than that. I also grabbed Karuna Khyal's 'Alomoni 1985' (Paradigm) which is apparently one of those super-obscure Steven Stapleton favorites. This is a phenomenal CD. Strange experimental rock stuff... It's really great. Re: Mauricio Kagel... When Zorn listed some of his favorite records in Downbeat (!) he listed the Deutsche Grammophone version of 'Exotica' so I don't think you'd really go wrong with that. I found 'Der Schall' on vinyl last week for $4 and of course grabbed it. Really great... In Zorn interviews and public spurts of his favorite records, he seems to alternate between 'Exotica' and 'Der Schall' as his favorite Kagel. -Tom Pratt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks Date: 22 Feb 1999 12:50:29 -0500 (EST) On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Tom Pratt wrote: > I picked this one up the other day and also think it's great. Bailey > gets extreme and aggressive on some tracks like I've never heard him > before. On the Casey Rice track (track 3) he almost sounds like Sonny > Sharrock or Arto Lindsay! I bought mine for $10 so that's another > reason to pick this up. what's the word on the kaiser-produced tracks? are they really that screwed up? his diatribe makes me want to avoid the cd or at least hear it before i pick it up. b - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cd Subject: Zorn Scores (was Cobra) Date: 22 Feb 1999 11:26:06 -0800 Peter Risser wrote: > Also, it's weird that you can't buy Zorn scores, or at least no-one on the > list knows how. > > Why the mystery? > > "Come out to show dem!" > > Peter > A friend of mine obtained an order form from Hips Road. Scores currently available are: Book of Heads Road Runner Cat O'Nine Tails For Your Eyes Only (parts - rental only) Dead Man Carny Memento Mori Angelus Novus (parts - rental only) Aporias (parts - rental only) Dark River Music for Children Orchestra Variations (parts - rental only) Shibboleth Rituals Scores in Preparation are: Masada Songbook Naked City Songbook Game Pieces: Cobra, Xu Feng, Bezique Untitled (for cello solo) Le Momo (violin and piano) The address is: Hips Road Edition 61 East Eighth Street, Suite 126 New York City, NY 10003 USA Fax (212) 334-8427 The prices were quite reasonable - many are $10-20 USD. The larger ensemble/orchestral are more. -cd - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks Date: 21 Feb 1999 13:30:56 -0500 Brent Burton wrote: > On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Tom Pratt wrote: > > > I picked this one up the other day and also think it's great. Bailey > > gets extreme and aggressive on some tracks like I've never heard him > > before. On the Casey Rice track (track 3) he almost sounds like Sonny > > Sharrock or Arto Lindsay! I bought mine for $10 so that's another > > reason to pick this up. > > what's the word on the kaiser-produced tracks? are they really that > screwed up? his diatribe makes me want to avoid the cd or at least hear > it before i pick it up. > > b Kaiser's tracks sound great to these ears! They probably sound awful to Kaiser because they are not exactly what *he* heard and wanted. But really, they sound fine... listening to: Glenn Branca "Symphony No. 10" and REALLY loud! -Tom Pratt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Garrett List Date: 22 Feb 1999 13:47:10 -0500 Just came back from a disc shopping jaunt and saw, but didn't pick up, two by Garrett List (trombonist and erstwhile member of MEV and, for one glorious album, Willem Breuker's Kollektief). Has anyone heard these? They're with a twelve piece band made up of, apparently, European musicians, none of whose names, as I recall, rang a bell. I remember hearing some great List pieces in the late 70's, but never managed to find the albums. Brian Olewnick NP: one of 'em: Bailey's 'Playbacks' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent Burton Subject: axiom/laswell? Date: 22 Feb 1999 15:58:50 -0500 (EST) hey, isn't there someone on this list who works at axiom? if so, could you email me. thanks brent burton - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: quizz of the week (100% off topic) Date: 22 Feb 1999 13:27:24 -0800 On which record can we find the following sticker? "Not your typical songbook record. Features songs written or popularized by Puccini, Cole Porter, The Spice Girls, Notorious B.I.G., and Marilyn Manson." (no, it is not on the last Jim O'Rourke one.) Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Heather and Jeff" Subject: Re: quizz of the week (100% off topic) Date: 22 Feb 1999 16:34:47 -0500 > > On which record can we find the following sticker? > > "Not your typical songbook record. > Features songs written or popularized > by Puccini, Cole Porter, The Spice Girls, > Notorious B.I.G., and Marilyn Manson." > >(no, it is not on the last Jim O'Rourke one.) LESTER BOWIE'S BRASS FANTASY!!!!!!!!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: quizz of the week (100% off topic) Date: 22 Feb 1999 13:38:26 -0800 On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:34:47 -0500 "Heather and Jeff" wrote: > > LESTER BOWIE'S BRASS FANTASY!!!!!!!!!!! Bingo! Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert A. Pleshar" Subject: Re: quizz of the week (100% off topic) Date: 22 Feb 1999 15:59:16 -0600 Someone will probably beat me to it, but it's the new Lester Bowie Brass Fantasy disc. Anyone heard it? Ralph At 01:27 PM 2/22/99 -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > On which record can we find the following sticker? > > "Not your typical songbook record. > Features songs written or popularized > by Puccini, Cole Porter, The Spice Girls, > Notorious B.I.G., and Marilyn Manson." > >(no, it is not on the last Jim O'Rourke one.) > > Patrice. > >- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Re: quizz of the week (100% off topic) Date: 22 Feb 1999 16:31:44 -0500 On which record can we find the following sticker? "Not your typical songbook record. Features songs written or popularized by Puccini, Cole Porter, The Spice Girls, Notorious B.I.G., and Marilyn Manson." A wild stab, but something in the back of my head remembers, mistakenly or not, that Lester Bowie covered a Spice Girls song and, given that, the others don't seem too far-fetched. so--Lester? Brian Olewnick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks Date: 23 Feb 1999 01:08:47 -0500 Brent Burton wrote: > what's the word on the kaiser-produced tracks? are they really that > screwed up? his diatribe makes me want to avoid the cd or at least hear > it before i pick it up. Especially given the forewarning, I did think that there was *some* small difference between these tracks and the others. But Henry's a hyper-perfectionist, the difference is not huge, and it didn't prevent me from enjoying the disc at all. And if you're at all a Bailey fanatic, not only should you hear this, but you should buy it quickly as it's reputedly a limited edition. Lots to digest, but I'll mention early on that I adore the collaboration with Jim O'Rourke and Loren Mazzacane Connors, "George." The two drum and bass tracks by Casey Rice also stand out. But there are many things to enjoy here. Also picked up "Aida's Call" (with Abe, Yoshizawa and Kondo, on Starlight Furniture Co.) and "Dynamics of the Impromptu" (with Stevens and Watts, on Entropy Stereo Recordings), but I haven't gotten to these just yet because first I had to hear the new Cecil Taylor Quartet disc, "Qu'a Yuba - Live at Irridium [sic], Vol. 2" (Cadence Jazz), which I also bought tonight (incredible, as was the first volume). And so, after a long dry spell, I consign myself once more to credit card hell. Hmmm, "Aida's Call" has just begun and sounds every bit as much like a crappy cassette recording as everyone said last month. Oh well, still have to have it. And how stupid is it that Kaiser/Oswald/Goodman at Roulette has to be on the same night and at the same time as Christoph Heeman's first New York gig, at Tonic? Suppose I'll be at the former, barely. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Bailey/Abe/Yoshizawa/Kondo, "Administratio," _Aida's Call_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Lacy Tzadik in RealAudio Date: 22 Feb 1999 22:15:28 -0800 A while back someone asked about the Lacy CD on Tzadik. You can form your own opinion of three tracks on my show Mappings at Antenna Internet Radio. Also of interest to folks on the Zorn list this week I've got a short piece from the Annie Gosfield CD on Tzadik, & other solo pieces by Francois Houle, Irene Schweitzer & Malcolm Goldstein. http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/index.htm Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks Date: 23 Feb 1999 01:33:07 EST In a message dated 2/23/99 1:11:47 AM, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: << And how stupid is it that Kaiser/Oswald/Goodman at Roulette has to be on the same night and at the same time as Christoph Heeman's first New York gig, at Tonic? Suppose I'll be at the former, barely. >> yeah, it's too bad. if it helps, Heemann is in the Current 93 incarnation which is performing that Thursday and Friday. I'm going to the Heemann show so I'll report back on that. Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Derek Bailey-Playbacks Date: 23 Feb 1999 03:07:10 -0500 Steve Smith wrote: > the new Cecil Taylor Quartet disc, "Qu'a Yuba - Live at > Irridium [sic], Vol. 2" (Cadence Jazz) Further to my previous post, I have just noticed that "Iridium" is in fact spelled correctly on the second volume. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - nothing - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: Sonny Clark Date: 23 Feb 1999 10:36:58 GMT0BST Cool Struttin' is generally regarded as his best album, and i don't think I can offer much disagreement with that (Jackie McLean & Art Farmer) He made two sextet albums in 1957: Dial S For Sonny and Sonny's Crib. They're both fine (Coltrane's on the latter) tho not for anyone who doesn't like mainstream hard-bop. The emphasis here is largely on the horns and on Sonny's writing (tho' half of Sonny's Crib is standards). If you want more of his playing (he takes quite a back seat on the above albums), try his trio albums: i think the first is called simply The Sonny Clark Trio (also ca.1957), which features bop- classics. If you like that, then there's excellent value for money on the accurately-titles "Standards", one of a mid-price series in the UK, which combines two Japan-only (?) albums (one of which, called Blues In the Night, I've seen separately). Finally, there's Leapin' and Lopin' from 1961 with Tommy Turrentine and Charlie Rouse. I find this one a little patchy, but it's a good opportunity to hear Rouse away from Monk. He died in 1963, I think. All the above are on Blue Note. I like them a lot, but they're not WAY OUT or anything like that. Sean Wilkie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Re: Sonny Clark Date: 23 Feb 1999 08:12:39 EST Speaking of Monk, ck out C.T. meets Monk on Riverside, recorded May, 1958. Personnel: Clark Terry, Monk, Sam Jones, bass and Philly Joe Jones, drums. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Heather and Jeff" Subject: RE: Sonn Clark Date: 23 Feb 1999 08:34:09 -0500 Just a little more info on Sonny Clark for those who are interested: The two Japanese issues that were combined to make Standards are "Blues in the night" 12/7/58 with Paul Chambers and Wes Landers and "The 45 Sessions" 9/13/57 & 11/16/58 with two different trios, the PC Wes Landers and with Philly Joe Jones and Jymie Merritt. Two other notable CD's are the Trio on Time/West Wind with Max Roach and George Duvivier (whom Zorn and Horvitz wanted for The Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet originally) and the Quintets disc with Clifford Jordan, Kenny Burrell, Pete LaRoca and PC. This is a Japanese CD and there are only 3 tracks with this lineup, but they're all Sonny originals including Minor Meeting and Eastern Incident. JK hijk@gateway.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephen Fruitman Subject: The "Masada-Like" Thread Date: 23 Feb 1999 17:43:23 +0200 In a late response to the "Is there more music like Masada out there?"-thread, and employing the broadest possible definition of the term (doing jazzy things with traditional Jewish folk sounds), I=B4d like to suggest an oddball little record by French musician Jean-Marc Zelwer, "La fiancee aux yeux de bois" (Made to Measure MTM 24 CD). Zelwer is a multi-instrumentalist (favouring accordian and clarinet) who composes mostly for dance and theatre. "La fiancee..." is inspired by his Polish-Jewish background. Humourous, rollicking and very melodic music with plenty of Klezmer and East European overtones along with a touch of tango, a little electronics, and more. All the best, Stephen Stephen Fruitman Dept of the History of Ideas Umea University S-901 87 Umea Sweden ------- Bj=F6rn Olsson, Inst. f=F6r id=E9historia, Ume=E5 universitet 901 87 Ume=E5 tel. 090-167982 fax 143374 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Sonny Clark Date: 23 Feb 1999 12:14:51 -0500 (EST) Some Jazz lore re: Sonny He didn't quite "die" in 1963. He ODed in a club called the Showcase in NYC. But since the owners didn't want to lose their licence, the body was moved to a nearby apartment and then the police were called. Bill Evans, another well-known junkie, wrote a tune for Sonny using an anagram of his name entitled: "NYC's no lark". Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A M" Subject: Painkiller art? Date: 23 Feb 1999 12:15:41 EST Does anyone know where Mr Zorn got the picture of the hanged guy on the Painkiller 4-cd set? What about the picture with the bed and the writing on the wall? What does it mean? I don't think Weegee took those pictures :-) Andy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Heather and Jeff" Subject: Re: Sonny Clark Date: 23 Feb 1999 14:11:08 -0500 >He didn't quite "die" in 1963. He ODed in a club called the Showcase in >NYC. But since the owners didn't want to lose their licence, the body was >moved to a nearby apartment and then the police were called. I'd also heard that in reference to Lee Morgan. After his common law wife shot him at Slug's (?) they moved him into a snowbank. JK hijk@gateway.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: Re: Painkiller art? Date: 23 Feb 1999 14:48:19 EST In a message dated 2/23/99 12:19:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, ampm10@hotmail.com writes: > What about the picture with the bed and the writing on the wall? What > does it mean? a man named william heirens murdered frances brown in the chicago/evanston area. he wrote on the wall For heAVens SAke cAtch Me BeFore I Kill More I cannot control myselF the photo is a crime scene photo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Sonny Clark/Lee Morgan Date: 23 Feb 1999 16:28:59 -0500 (EST) Yep, it was Slug's. But still, shorterly afterwards the club closed, which deprived Sun Ra's Arkestra, among others, a regular place to gig in NYC. Additionally, unlike Elvis Presley, the deaths of Sonny Clark and Lee Morgan didn't do *anything* to advance their careers. Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Heather and Jeff wrote:> > > I'd also heard that in reference to Lee Morgan. After his common law wife > shot him at Slug's (?) they moved him into a snowbank. > > JK > hijk@gateway.net > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Sonny Clark/Lee Morgan Date: 23 Feb 1999 13:36:01 -0800 On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:28:59 -0500 (EST) Ken Waxman wrote: > > Additionally, unlike Elvis Presley, the deaths of Sonny Clark and Lee > Morgan didn't do *anything* to advance their careers. Right, specially if you assume that Elvis got unnoticed before his death :-). Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: Sonny Clark/Lee Morgan Date: 23 Feb 1999 15:48:21 -0600 >> >> Additionally, unlike Elvis Presley, the deaths of Sonny Clark and Lee >> Morgan didn't do *anything* to advance their careers. > >Right, specially if you assume that Elvis got unnoticed before his death :-). > And I've heard it said (as a joke) that Peter Frampton's career went downhill because he DIDN'T die. Dan - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Vision festival? Date: 23 Feb 1999 17:25:13 -0800 It seems that the program of the Vision Festival is available. Could somebody post it to the list (or give a pointer, if any)? Thanks, Patrice. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Ong Subject: 1999 Vision Festival in NYC Date: 23 Feb 1999 20:43:35 -0500 This was posted to the Sun Ra list a couple weeks ago... >The '99 lineup for the Vision-Festival festival is out! The dates are May >21-31st, and this year's festival is full of what looks to be knock-outs. > >If you would like to be added to our group-email list, which will inform >you of any changes/deletions/additions to this year's festival, please send >an email to minsker-marc@sc.edu and I'll add you. > >Keep in mind that not all acts are confirmed at this time (*represents >tentative groups). Our webpage will be updated just as soon as all groups >are confirmed. URL to follow... >___________________________________________________________________ > >>FRI MAY 21 >>Sam Rivers Trio >>Joseph Jarman >>Hamiet Bluiett with Kidd Jordan >>J.D. Parran Quintet >> >>SAT MAY 22 >>Alan Silva (VF Orchestra) >>Leroy Jenkins (solo) >>Sun Ra Arkestra under the direction of Marshall Allen >> >>SUN MAY 23 >>Matt Shipp (solo) >>Andrew Lamb Trio >>Manieris (Quartet) >> >>MON MAY 24 >>David S. Ware Quartet >>Mark Dresser >>Cooper-Moore (vocal-chorus) >> >>TUE MAY 25 >>Zeena Parkins * >>Thurston Moore/William Hooker* >>Jim Staley >> >>WED MAY 26 >>Marilyn Crispell >>Thomas Buckner/Roscoe Mitchell >>Raphe Malik >> >>THU MAY 27 >>Peter Brotzmann (Die Like a Dog) >>Joelle Leandre/Joe McPhee/Gerry Hemingway* >>Chris Jonas >>Ori Kaplan* >> >>FRI MAY 28 >>David "Fathead" Newman >>John Zorn / Milford Graves >>Roy Campbell (TAZ Quartet) >>Whit Dickey >> >>SAT MAY 29 >>James Blood Ulmer (Odyssey)* >>Daniel Carter >>Rob Brown (Quintet/Sextet) >>Noah Howard Quartet >> >>SUN MAY 30 >>Fred Anderson Trio >>John Blum >>William Parker >>Wilber Morris w/ Reggie Nicholson, Joe Daly, Vincent Chaney >> >>MON MAY 31 >>Billy Higgins >>Warren Smith >>Rashied Ali >>New Jazz Doctors (Billy Bang, Abbey Radar, Frank Lowe, Ed Schuller) >>Andrew Cyrille >> >> >>******************************************************************** >> >> >> >> >> >> >Marc Minsker >Department of English, Graduate Studies >University of South Carolina >(803)777-5063 > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicolas Escandell" Subject: mike patton Date: 24 Feb 1999 00:17:22 -0300 Hello! I'd like to know in wich albums have a colaboration of mike patton Thanks Nicolas Escandell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goHarry@webtv.net (Harry Hulsizer) Subject: Fwd: Re: mike patton Date: 23 Feb 1999 22:31:47 -0500 (EST) --WebTV-Mail-1058147010-946 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit H. H. --WebTV-Mail-1058147010-946 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQxvOU/Ompq0opM6JND4YOM5OhD5QIUZDjHwXFe0jHq9eWnO/aUV+KRWZc= Message-ID: <25561-36D37238-1674@mailtod-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Nicolas Escandell" 's message of Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:17:22 -0300 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Well, I cant give as comprehensive answer as someone else on this list might, but I`ll start the ball rolling..... John Zorn- Elegy Wierd Little Boy Anyone else want to add? H. H. --WebTV-Mail-1058147010-946-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Re: mike patton Date: 24 Feb 1999 14:33:51 +1100 Zorn - Elegy Weird Little Boy Patton - Pranzo Oltranzista Mr Bungle - Mr Bungle also Naked City live shows, duo shows, trio shows, etc. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: Re: mike patton Date: 24 Feb 1999 01:15:20 EST In a message dated 2/23/99 10:33:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, goHarry@webtv.net writes: > I`ll start the ball rolling..... > John Zorn- Elegy > Wierd Little Boy > Anyone else want to add? > well, i don't know if what i will mention would count as collaborations, but i would add the 1st mr bungle record (zorn plays on a couple tracks), leng t'che (although patton may only get thanked, he may not perform), and the 2 patton solo records that r on tzadik. the 1st one (adult themes 4 voice) is solo vox (exec produced by zorn). the 2nd (pranzo oltranzista) features zorn as part of the ensemble. i'm sure i'm missing some... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Douglas Clarke" Subject: Re: mike patton Date: 24 Feb 1999 02:19:58 PST >Nicolas Escandell wrote: >I'd like to know in wich albums have a colaboration of mike patton Well, if you would like a comprehensive list, here we go: -All Faith no More recordings since "The Real Thing" -All Mr. Bungle releases (4 demos, 2 albums, 1 live ep, several bootlegs) -Fantomas (First album coming soon) w/Dave Lombardo, Buzz Osborne, and Trevor Dunn -Maldoror (First album coming soon) w/Merzbow -2 solo albums on Tzadik (1 solo voice, 1 w/zorn & others) and a new pop solo album coming out on Ipecac -Elegy, on Tzadik, w/other bay area musicians -Bob Ostertag's "Fear no Love" on Avant, Patton does vocals on 2 songs -House of Discipline w/Bob Ostertag & Otomo Yoshihide (no studio recordings) -Faith no more w/Boo-Ya tribe, 1 song on "Judgement night" soundtrack -Faith no More w/Sparks, 2 songs (on single and on Sparks album Plagerism?) -Sepultura, vocals on 3 tracks "Lookaway", "Mine", and "Kamaitachi (not yet released)" -On Milk Cult album, Patton does vocals on one track -Wierd Little Boy, Patton with zorn and others -w/Kronos Quartet, Mr. Bungle wrote song for Kronos "Success in Life" (no, I have no recording of this) -Yells "Melt Bannana" on one track on Melt Bannana's "Charlie" album -Great Jewish Music cds on Tzadik, one song on each: Burt Bacharach w/David Slusser & Trey Spruance Serge Gainsburg, solo Mark Bolan, solo under the name "Fantomas" -several live appearances with John Zorn, Ikue Mori, David Slusser, William Winant, Naked City, Joey Baron, Praxis, Rova Saxophone Quartet, and Cobra, among others... Since this is just off of the top of my head, I may be missing some. Feel free to add. And if anyone needs clarification on any of these projects, let me know. I was just trying to be as concise as possible. - Dug ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jan-Wen Lu Subject: Re: mike patton Date: 24 Feb 1999 19:44:01 +0800 > -House of Discipline w/Bob Ostertag & Otomo Yoshihide (no studio > recordings) A live recording of the "Angelica" Festival in Italy '97 was released last year. There're two House of Discipline tracks, one Patton/Maire Goyette duo track and an all-star jam track with Chris Cutler, Otomo Yoshihide, Patton, Bob Ostertag, Ikue Mori, Uchihashi Kazuhisa, John Oswald, Martin Tetreault, Rene Lussier, etc.. Jan-Wen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: Ochs Date: 24 Feb 1999 11:42:11 GMT0BST Anyone got the Larry Ochs "quintet for a day" cd with Dave Douglas and Leo Smith? Opinions please... hywel - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Douglas Clarke" Subject: Re: mike patton Date: 24 Feb 1999 04:31:47 PST Jan-Wen wrote: >A live recording of the "Angelica" Festival in Italy '97 was released last >year. Do you know where I can find this? In Germany (where I live now) or in the U.S. (where I normally live)? -Doug ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jan-Wen Lu Subject: Angelica 1997 Date: 24 Feb 1999 20:53:00 +0800 > >A live recording of the "Angelica" Festival in Italy '97 was released > last > >year. > > Do you know where I can find this? In Germany (where I live now) or in > the U.S. (where I normally live)? The title of this CD is "Angelica 1997"(IDA 013, i dischi di angelica). Since it is distributed by ReR Megacorp, you can easily get it from Verge Distribution (Canada), Wayside Music(USA), ReR(UK) and Anomalous Records(USA). A must for those who love sample-based music. Jan-Wen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: Ochs Date: 24 Feb 1999 10:12:31 -0300 DR S WILKIE wrote: >Anyone got the Larry Ochs "quintet for a day" cd with Dave Douglas and >Leo Smith? Opinions please... Well, I picked it up a week ago amoung others and maybe I haven't listened to it as much as it deserves (I'm really concentrated in the last fantastic Saluzzi's Kultrum) but it is a pretty nice stuff if you like free-blowing with intriguing arrangements; don't expect beautiful melodies as in Douglas' "Charms of the Night Sky" or high energy treatment as in Kaiser/Smith's "Yo Miles". IMHO, a challenging recording that needs patience, though it's undoubtedly worth listening. Hugo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: Downtown Lullaby Date: 24 Feb 1999 10:50:32 -0300 Though it had a positive review in Feb. Down Beat I'd like to know any opinions as well. Thanks in advance. Hugo - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Ochs Date: 24 Feb 1999 10:13:08 -0500 (EST) It's What We Live's "Quintet For A Day" actually since the band is a co-operative group of Larry Ochs (ts, sopranino s); Lisle Ellis (b) and Donald Robinson (d). I just got it last week, so have to listen to it more, but so far the most impressive work is provided by the rhythm section (Elis & Robinson), especially on the first track. From what I can see (hear) it's a fine album, but so far, it doesn't seem as impresive as the group's last outing on Black Saint - "What We Live Fo(u)r" which featured E-O-R plus a different guest on each track including Glenn Spearman (ts); Paul Plimley (p) and William Winant (vibes) Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, DR S WILKIE wrote: > > Anyone got the Larry Ochs "quintet for a day" cd with Dave Douglas > and Leo Smith? Opinions please... > > hywel > > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Derek Bailey's response to Mr. Kaiser Date: 24 Feb 1999 10:53:08 EST >Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:49:17 -0500 > >Dear Henry and Sasha, > >It seems you've been having all the fun. Now, its my turn. > >There has now been a large number of people, including musicians, >engineers, regular listeners, and the mastering engineer at Town House, >who have listened to this disc. They, without exception, agree they can >hear nothing wrong with it. Finally, Town House, the leading mastering >studio in London, maybe Europe, tested the master and the finished, issued >CD and found absolutely no fault with it. >In addition to saying the record was fine, two people on separate >occasions said, 'What is this guy's real agenda?' So, tell us, Henry, what >is your real agenda? >Toby Robinson, not incidentally, is one of the most highly thought of >engineers and has one of the best equipped studios in London. In other >words we - that is, you two and me - are lucky he touched this project. In >recent times, he has become a great asset, often at some expense to >himself, to the improvising community here. He puts time aside from far >more lucrative work in order to be available for us. Nobody has benefitted >from his generosity more than me but it wouldn't be surprising if he had >nothing further to do with this area of music after this, in which case >this nonsense could damage a lot of people. But, as Toby has been badgered >on a couple of occasions and involuntarily roped into this mess, I will >say something about the recording. How depressing that this is necessary. >Although you wouldn't know this, occasionally I play 'live' with DJs or >tracks by DJs. I never go direct to the desk or anything else. Nor do I >wear earphones. This kind of 'live' situation is what I wanted to >replicate in the studio. No direct line, no earphones, a mike on the amp >and one on the guitar ; one take only on each track. Which is exactly what >Toby did for me, to my complete satisfaction. In essence, this is a live >recording, not a studio recording. There are a number of reasons why I do >this but the main one is musical. I want a mix of ambient and non-ambient >sound. Integration has to be musical NOT technological and obviously so. >THE WAY THE RECORD SOUNDS IS THE WAY I WANT IT TO SOUND. Again, it >depresses me that I have to explain that if this record , as with just >about every record I have ever made, is about anything it is about >improvisation; everything else is secondary to that. Let me try and remove >any possible ambiguity: The success or otherwise of this record depends >almost entirely on the success of the playing. If I thought at the time >that this end would have been better served by recording it in the street, >I would have done so. These are what is known, in some circles, as >artistic decisions. If you don't accept that, then what the fuck are we >doing working together? It feels at the moment as if I'm working for the >CIA. In fact, I explained this to Amy in NY; or possibly Sasha. Obviously >not clearly enough. But it doesn't matter. I would have thought it was >obvious. And for you, Henry, not to understand this, appalls me. If I made >a similar record again, I would do it in exactly the same way. Except >contributors would first have to prove they were at least fairly normal >psychologically . > >Which brings us back to the present situation. I asked nobody to >contribute to this thing, but each track submitted was treated, >technically and musically, with respect. When I agreed to do this record >nobody was granted right of veto over any part of the outcome; a condition >I would not, in any case, have accepted. I have no intention of agreeing >to any changes at all. > >I suppose I should make some comment on Henry's threat to bring about the >end of civilsation as we know it unless this record is in some way banned. >Henry's reference to Toby's remarks is a complete distortion. Normally, I >would describe them as a lie, but, as Henry is obviously having trouble >with his ears, lets assume he misheard Toby. Toby will be having something >to say about this. > >For me, I want to hear nothing further about all this technical shit and >this truly odious, grotesque behaviour. > >Just let me check out again that everybody understands my position on >this: This is my record; it was made exactly as I wanted to make it, I'm >satisfied with the results and I do not agree to any part of it being >changed. This includes tracks being changed or removed or names being >changed or removed. > > >Thank you and good night, >Derek Bailey Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ethan Subject: Transmissions Festival in NC Date: 24 Feb 1999 13:02:05 -0500 (EST) attached below is some information about an upcoming experimental music festival in North Carolina on May 14-15. The schedule of bands is at the bottom... --- Hello all - As some may have noticed, we are well underway with Trans oo2 planning. I wanted to make the first formal announcement regarding the festival to let folks know what is going on, and also to inform local experimental film and and video makers that we are soliciting work for screenings until the 15th of April. We are particularly interested in work that develops & explores the inter-relationships between sound and image. We will accept screening copies of the work to be shown in the formats of 8mm, Super8, 16mm, & VHS. There is no length requirement or limit. There is no submission fee. Please send a VHS copy of your work with a SASE to: Trans002 Film/Video 112 East Lynch Street Durham, NC 27701-1926 Tapes submitted without a SASE can not be returned. Deadline for submissions is April 15, 1999. There are still a few slots remaining for anyone interested in film/video/other visual installations. Parameters for these type of projects may be fairly loose - these will likely occur at the Carrboro Arts Center and other area [non-traditional] locations. Please contact me directly for more information regarding these projects and opportunities. [antistatic@mindspring.com] Transmissions is expanding considerably this year - we are very excited about exploring the dynamics of local space and spaces, and as mentioned above, are putting together a series of installations [primarily audio] to take place in local businesses, restaurants, coffeshops, and other outdoor and indoor public spaces. This is, in part, an effort to involve more and different people and spaces, but we are also endeavoring to provide opportunity for a sort of examination and differentiated apprehension of local sonorial space[s]. Festival Dates: Friday 14 MAY and SATURDAY 15 MAY 1999 The majority of sound performances will occur at CAT'S CRADLE. Performance slots are BOOKED, though a few confirmation announcements are still pending. The schedule is tentative and subject to change, but should remain very close to what is listed below. FRIDAY 14 MAY 6pm: t.b.a 7pm: Zuerichten 8pm: Fm:Xpanse 9pm: Chuck Johnson 10pm: t.b.a 11pm: Rafael Toral 12am: Windy and Carl 1am: Spaceheads SATURDAY 15 MAY 3pm: Micro-East Collective 4pm: t.b.a. 5pm: Mikroknytes 6pm: Cul De Sac 7pm: bernhard guenter 8pm: John Hudak 9pm: Kaffe Matthews 10pm: Phil Kline 11pm: Tono-Bungay 12am: Loren Mazzacane Connors 1am: Pelt Current festival information is available at www.transmit.org. There will also be thorough biographical information and links for this year's participants, as well as audio and video material from last year's festival up fairly soon. The transmissions mailing list can also be joined from the site. advance weekend passes are now available for $25 (with visa or mastercard) from the Cat's Cradle at 919.967-9053. Questions or information requests may be addressed to info@transmit.org. Thanks - Keenan - - -- -- - -- -- ------- -- -- -- - - - - - - -- - --- - --- -- - - antistatic >> po box 832 carrboro nc 27510 ___________transmit.org____________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Kowalski Subject: masada like in very broad terms Date: 24 Feb 1999 13:13:05 -0500 Local Boston guitarist Issi Rosen released a disc last year, The Red Sea. Very un-zornish (no squeaks, shreiks, dirges, ...et al) but, if Masada like includes a blending jewish folk and american jazz (trad. guitar/bass/drums trio in Issi's case) I'd say what the hey - Red Sea is an excelent, imho, disc. Now when are the new Frisell and Waits recordings hitting the bins? I've given up (almost) on a re-release of additional Evan Lurie discs, although and very happy with the new African Swin/Manny & Low sndtrk by John Lurie. Pure genius. happy listening all Bob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Downing" Subject: Re: mike patton Date: 24 Feb 1999 13:35:26 -0500 ---------- >From: Sulacco@aol.com >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: mike patton >Date: Wed, Feb 24, 1999, 1:15 AM > >In a message dated 2/23/99 10:33:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, >goHarry@webtv.net writes: > >> I`ll start the ball rolling..... >> John Zorn- Elegy >> Wierd Little Boy >> Anyone else want to add? Mike did vocals on one track on Bob Ostertag's Fear No Love. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Isaac Mc Cormick Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #601 Date: 24 Feb 1999 17:15:38 -0500 (EST) hey, i'm real inarested in this vision-festival which i'm assuming is at USCarolina. I couldn't find anything on the web about it, so could someone maybe fill in the details, like how much it costs, where its taking place, where the performances will be held, and any pertinent info. i might like to know. You can do off-list if you want. Thanks in advance!! jah jeremy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: Bible Launcher for sale Date: 23 Feb 1999 18:50:52 -0500 I have a copy of Bible Launcher (TZ 7402, now taken by Ken Butler's 'Voices For Anxious Objects') up for sale. This disc was only available for a short while until copyright problems forced Tzadik to cease making copies (and maybe even destroy existing copies?). Please e-mail me privately with offers. Thanks! -Tom Pratt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: new Tzadik Date: 23 Feb 1999 18:56:30 -0500 I see there are some pretty interesting releases planned for Tzadik for March... taken from the Tzadik website (http://www.tzadik.com): NEW JAPAN Haino Keiji: Decided... Already The Motionless Heart Of Tranquility, Tangling The Prayer Called "I" A new supergroup featuring Haino Keiji, one of the world's most powerful and original guitarist/vocalists, Bill Laswell, contemporary music's most personal and experimental bassists and Rashied Ali, Coltrane alumni and godfather of free jazz drumming. Haino is pulled kicking and literally screaming to new heights of inspiration by the most dynamic rhythm section he has ever worked with. Passionate, ear wrenching and exhilaratingly sounds from three of today's most creative and uncompromising musical masters. Microcosmos: Pilgrimage Otomo Yoshihide (turntables) and Tenko (vocals) are two of the most internationally acclaimed performers to emerge from the Tokyo underground, and have worked with some of the best musicians from around the world. Collaborating together in bands, improvisational groupings and special projects for over ten years, this is their first duo release and is the result of over two years of recording. A fascinating meeting of two of Japan's most original musical masters. COMPOSERS SERIES Bill Laswell: Invisible Design Tzadik is proud to present a new solo album by contemporary music's most adventurous musical terrorist. An indefatigable instigator of countless musical projects, from funk, rock, hip hop and jazz to world music, ambient and a milliard of creative hybrids, Laswell steps here as a composer. Eight tracks showcasing full range of musical obsessions, radical studio techniques and virtuosic bass playing. Invisible Design is a CD of Black magic and spiritual passion. Laswell's creative voice has never been stronger. -Tom Pratt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com Subject: "the impossible klezmer" Date: 24 Feb 1999 19:08:17 EST does anyone know anything about this group?? i saw them in italy this summer at the lucca jazz festival and was blown away. very far out, free form, fresh. and an intriguing woman vocalist: intense, possesed, erotic. but now i can find nothing on them anywhere. if you're on this list you'll love them! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: masada like in very broad terms Date: 24 Feb 1999 21:14:18 -0500 Bob Kowalski wrote: > Now when are the new Frisell and Waits recordings hitting the bins? Don't remember when the Waits is due to drop, but the ex tells me Frisell's "Good Dog Happy Man" is due in June if I remember correctly. It's Frisell, Krauss, Keltner, Horvitz, I think a pedal steel player whose name I've forgotten (help me, Jody), and Ry Cooder on a track or two. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Alanis Morrisette on the Grammies - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Ong Subject: Re: Frisell/Maryanna Amacher (was: masada like in very broad Date: 24 Feb 1999 22:13:48 -0500 >Don't remember when the Waits is due to drop, but the ex tells me Frisell's "Good Dog >Happy Man" is due in June if I remember correctly. It's Frisell, Krauss, Keltner, >Horvitz, I think a pedal steel player whose name I've forgotten (help me, Jody), and Ry >Cooder on a track or two. Also in Frisell news, the new David Sylvian record, "Dead Bees on a Cake" (due out next month), features Frisell, Marc Ribot, Kenny Wheeler, and Steve Tibbetts. Another great supporting cast for Sylvian I guess. I still love the fact that he had one of my favorite musicians, John Taylor, on "Gone to Earth". Taylor is one-third of the group Azimuth, the other two being vocalist Norma Winstone (Taylor's wife) and Kenny Wheeler. Taylor was central to the British jazz resurgence in the late 60s/early 70s (e.g. recent Surman and Westbrook re-issues on Deram), and is probably located somewhere in the middle between the internationally recognized Surman, Holland, McLaughlin, and a host of other important players/composers, like Westbrook, who I wish received some of that limelight. Mike Osborne especially comes to mind. What is for me his most achingly beautiful playing occurs during a spine tingling duet with Norma Winstone in one of the pieces on Westbrook's "Love Songs" which, I hate to say, is not one of the current reissues. Anyway, main reason I'm posting is that today I picked up Maryanne Amacher's recent Tzadik release. Four of the tracks (7 in total) contain what Amacher calls "Third Ear Music". She writes in the liner notes: "When played at the right sound level, which is quite high and exciting, the tones in this music will cause your ears to act as neurophonic instruments that emit sounds that will seem to be issuing directly from your head." Well, I listened to the whole disc in one sitting at a very high volume (living alone has its advantages!) and overall, I'm really impressed. The "Third Ear Music" pieces, I confess, are not the type of 'songs' you listen to unless you really really want to listen and focus on the music. They sound like really sharp, high frequencies or electronic blips and bleeps spinning around really fast. Very trance inducing. Many of the other tracks are these dense psychedelic clouds of electronic sound. Not exactly monotone, but they could be listened to in that way, if you know what I mean. On some of the tracks, there'll be this electronic drone rumbling away, and suddenly underneath she'll throw in a very clear/hi-fi sounding keyboard tone -- the contrast is unsettling. There's also an excerpt entitled, "Tower Metals", which sounds like Aube or Merzbow messing around with, well, metal samples/sounds, but in the hands of Amacher I felt she was directing the sound with more thought, intricacy, and most importantly, purpose. The music on this disc is, above all, very very drone-y and dense w/ a surprisingly healthy amount of texture. I'd set aside some free time for music listening if you're thinking of picking this disc up. Btw, in a week or two, I'll have some real audio samples of this Amacher disc (and others) up on my webpage, which is still under construction at the moment. It's mainly devoted to Melville, but I'm hoping to devote some of it to music. eric. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Saidel Eric J Subject: Re: masada like in very broad terms Date: 24 Feb 1999 22:04:25 -0600 (CST) According to Steve Smith: > > Bob Kowalski wrote: > > > Now when are the new Frisell and Waits recordings hitting the bins? > > Don't remember when the Waits is due to drop, but the ex tells me Frisell's "Good Dog Happy Man" is due in June if I remember correctly. It's Frisell, Krauss, Keltner, Horvitz, I think a pedal steel player whose name I've forgotten (help me, Jody), and Ry Cooder on a track or two. Jerry Douglas? Not really a pedal steel player (in that he plays Dobro), but he has played with Frisell before ... > > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com > NP - Alanis Morrisette on the Grammies I saw/heard some of that. I must say, I never heard her before and based on this introduction I'll be slow to return. Perhaps I'm just a fuddy-duddy. - eric - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Martens Subject: Re: masada like in very broad terms Date: 24 Feb 1999 20:50:53 -0800 (PST) ---Steve Smith wrote: > > Bob Kowalski wrote: > > > Now when are the new Frisell and Waits recordings hitting the bins? > > Don't remember when the Waits is due to drop, I think I read recently that it's due sometime in April. Eric _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: masada-ish Date: 25 Feb 1999 16:17:57 +1100 I recently picked up "Search For The Golden Dreydl" by Naftule's Dream (Tzadik) which is really great (thanks Peter!). It's kind of "funk klezmer" with clarinet, trombone, piano, electric guitar, tuba and drums, well worth checking out. Julian. http://www.hartingdale.com.au/~jcurwin/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: masada like in very broad terms Date: 25 Feb 1999 01:24:39 -0500 Saidel Eric J wrote: > Jerry Douglas? Not really a pedal steel player (in that he plays Dobro), > but he has played with Frisell before ... Uh-uh, not him.. Jerry Douglas I'd have remembered. I heard the "Nashville Trio" (Frisell, Douglas and Krauss) about a year ago in Brooklyn... Douglas made an indelible impression. No, the pedal steel player (?) in question here is a new name to this list, if I'm recalling correctly. > > NP - Alanis Morrisette on the Grammies > > I saw/heard some of that. I must say, I never heard her before and > based on this introduction I'll be slow to return. Perhaps I'm > just a fuddy-duddy. No, you're not. I'll admit that in general I'm pretty impressed by Alanis, as pop music goes. And, given that reservation, the song Alanis performed, "Uninvited" (from the otherwise useless "City of Angels" soundtrack, if I recall correctly) was better on the record than it is live. So perhaps *I* am the "fuddy-duddy" you fear yourself to be... after all, while I struck out in such categories as jazz and rap and metal, the votes I cast in the "Big Four" categories (Record of the Year, Song of the Year, Album of the Year, Best New Artist) were all winners - Celine Dion with "My Heart Will Go On" for the former two, and Lauryn Hill for the latter two. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Douglas Clarke" Subject: Patton/Leng Chi Date: 25 Feb 1999 02:35:39 PST Mike Patton does not do any vocals on the studio version of Naked City's L'eng Chi. However he has performed it live with them a couple of times. -Dug ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Maryanne Amacher (was: masada like in very broad terms) Date: 25 Feb 1999 11:22:45 EST In a message dated 2/24/99 10:21:40 PM, eso200@is5.nyu.edu writes: << Anyway, main reason I'm posting is that today I picked up Maryanne Amacher's recent Tzadik release. Four of the tracks (7 in total) contain what Amacher calls "Third Ear Music". She writes in the liner notes: "When played at the right sound level, which is quite high and exciting, the tones in this music will cause your ears to act as neurophonic instruments that emit sounds that will seem to be issuing directly from your head." Well, I listened to the whole disc in one sitting at a very high volume (living alone has its advantages!) and overall, I'm really impressed. The "Third Ear Music" pieces, I confess, are not the type of 'songs' you listen to unless you really really want to listen and focus on the music. They sound like really sharp, high frequencies or electronic blips and bleeps spinning around really fast. Very trance inducing. Many of the other tracks are these dense psychedelic clouds of electronic sound. Not exactly monotone, but they could be listened to in that way, if you know what I mean. On some of the tracks, there'll be this electronic drone rumbling away, and suddenly underneath she'll throw in a very clear/hi-fi sounding keyboard tone -- the contrast is unsettling. There's also an excerpt entitled, "Tower Metals", which sounds like Aube or Merzbow messing around with, well, metal samples/sounds, but in the hands of Amacher I felt she was directing the sound with more thought, intricacy, and most importantly, purpose. The music on this disc is, above all, very very drone-y and dense w/ a surprisingly healthy amount of texture. I'd set aside some free time for music listening if you're thinking of picking this disc up. >> there's an appreciation of Amacher and this record in the new Wire, written by Alan Licht. he felt the record worked much better when he listened to it with her in her home, than it did once he got it home. just thought that was interesting, haven't heard it myself yet, although I'm looking forward to it. Jon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: Frisell and Leisz (was: RE: masada like in very broad terms) Date: 25 Feb 1999 19:25:48 +0100 > Frisell's "Good Dog Happy Man" is due in June if I > remember correctly. It's Frisell, Krauss, Keltner, > Horvitz, I think a pedal steel player whose name I've > forgotten (help me, Jody), and Ry Cooder on a track or two. It's Greg Leisz. Please let me quote Songtone / Tone Field: "Guitarist Greg Leisz has been much in demand for playing country, folk, and rock music with Jewel, Beck, Dave Alvin, Peter Case, Paula Cole, Fiona Apple, and Smashing Pumpkins as well as icons like the Beach Boys, Joe Cocker and Joni Mitchell. (He is on tour with Joni Mitchell until mid November.) Leisz primary instrument is the pedal steel guitar but he's also gained a reputation for his mastery of the acoustic dobro, Hawaiian Weissenborn, lap steel and mandolin. Bill and Greg met when Greg came to see Bill play with Jerry Douglas and Viktor Krauss. Soon after their meeting Bill discovered that it was Greg playing on his favorite K.D. Lang, Jimmie Dale Gilmore and Peter Case CDs and the two became fast friends. Greg is part of the band on Bill Frisell's next recording. Bassist David Piltch came of age in the Toronto, Ontario, Canada jazz scene accompanying such greats as Chet Baker, Art Pepper, Kenny Wheeler, Tom Harrell. In more recent years he has relocated to the Los Angeles area and works with vocalists Holly Cole, Janice Ian, and K.D. Lang. Greg Leisz introduced Bill Frisell to David after they worked together with K.D. Lang and Dave Alvin. These two concerts mark the trio's debut together. They will travel to Europe in March for three weeks." Regards __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno AT silesia.top.pl] www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: Alanis Date: 25 Feb 1999 18:02:45 EST In a message dated 2/24/99 11:09:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, ejs4839@usl.edu writes: << > NP - Alanis Morrisette on the Grammies I saw/heard some of that. I must say, I never heard her before and based on this introduction I'll be slow to return. Perhaps I'm just a fuddy-duddy. >> If you are Eric, you're certainly not alone here!! :-) Dale. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Dikeman Subject: Sonora Book and CD Date: 25 Feb 1999 21:21:27 -0700 Hey, I found this very interesting title at www.gemm.com and wondered if anyone had it or new anything about it. I'm new to this list, but I checked the archives and was unable to find anything on it, though I might have just missed it. Any info would be appreciated. john - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Sonora Book and CD Date: 25 Feb 1999 21:56:58 -0600 (CST) On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, John Dikeman wrote: > Hey, I found this very interesting title at www.gemm.com and wondered if > anyone had it or new anything about it. I'm new to this list, but I > checked the archives and was unable to find anything on it, though I > might have just missed it. I have it (ordered it through http://www.artists-shop.com/) and it's a must-read (though I haven't listened to the CD yet). The most interesting stuff, IMHO, are the the articles about the non-sound-oriented performances he was doing with/as the Theatre of Musical Optics in 1979, where, for example, he would display a grid of small odd objects and, over several hours, combine and redisplay them in various rigorously determined ways on a two-inch-square tray. Enlightening. There's a lot of stuff about his music's relationship to film, and a lot of graphics, including several scores -- though many of them are reduced so small as to be mostly unreadable. (Oy... I just spent close to an hour wandering around GEMM... only bought one thing, though :-]) - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase) Subject: Zony Mash Date: 25 Feb 1999 22:02:24 -0600 (CST) The web site www.zonymash.com has been updated with some fantastic photos and information. Look for Bill Frisell! }Theodorus-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Glenn Spearman: Blues For Falasha Date: 25 Feb 1999 23:31:00 EST Anyone have any sound clips for Glenn Spearman: Blues For Falasha Looks interesting. Any recommendations? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: Like Masada / British scene Date: 26 Feb 1999 09:51:54 GMT0BST Not at all like Masada but, in parts, like Pachora, is The Orquestra Mahatma, whose "A Young Person's Guide" is on the Babel label. This is a tremendous record, stretching from Bulgarian and other Balkan folk tunes to Wagner, Ellington, Little Rock Getaway, Zawinul's Mercy Mercy Mercy and a Shankar-written Mahavishnu acoustic guitar number, and many points inbetween (there are 19 cuts on the disc). The OM are Paul Clarvis (pc) Thad Kelly (b) and Stuart Hall (vln, g). Truly fabulous. Buy two, and give the other to your funkiest auntie or uncle!! Speaking of the post-punky Loose Tubes "school", has grandmaster Django Bates caught on at all across the Atlantic? I've belatedly discovered the delights of "Summer Fruits" on JMT, which is, IMO, even better (?) than the later "Winter Truce" on the same label. Sean Wilkie - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: don byron Date: 26 Feb 1999 22:11:56 +1100 Recently purchased "Nu Blaxploitation" and was impressed to find yet another style mastered by Byron. Can anyone recommend similar albums? Julian. http://www.hartingdale.com.au/~jcurwin/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Risser Subject: Dazzling Killmen Date: 26 Feb 1999 08:37:06 -0500 Anyone know where to find a copy of their first CD, Dig Out the Switch? I thought it was going to be recapped with Recuerda, but, no luck. I know it's not particularly on topic, but we have discussed them before, and I can't think of another group of people who might better know. Thanks, Peter - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Maryanne Amacher Date: 25 Feb 1999 22:51:12 -0800 I haven't heard the CD yet, but I've heard a few of Maryanne Amacher's pieces live & I'm looking forward to hearing it, though I haven't seen it around town. Thanks for the report on the disc. Amacher's definitely one of the root-source folks for electro-acoustic music& her work is still growing in surprising ways, in surprising directions. I've got to say, though, that the the 3rd Ear pieces sound like the kind of music that may not translate well in streaming audio given the various limitati0ns of bandwidth & the usual audio setups people have hooked up to their computers. If these pieces are like the works with difference tones that I've heard live, I'd be surprised if much of the effect came across in this medium. I remember one piece at the Wooster G0roup's space in New York that had a long section with a very high pitched & very loud twittering that moved around within your ear canal - really incredible. If that could be done on a CD I'd be pretty impressed, let alone in RealAudio. I'd love to be wrong, though & I'm hoping to program some of this disc for Mappings. >Anyway, main reason I'm posting is that today I picked up Maryanne >Amacher's recent Tzadik release. Four of the tracks (7 in total) contain >what Amacher calls "Third Ear Music". She writes in the liner notes: "When >played at the right sound level, which is quite high and exciting, the >tones in this music will cause your ears to act as neurophonic instruments >that emit sounds that will seem to be issuing directly from your head." >Well, I listened to the whole disc in one sitting at a very high volume >(living alone has its advantages!) and overall, I'm really impressed. The >"Third Ear Music" pieces, I confess, are not the type of 'songs' you listen >to unless you really really want to listen and focus on the music. They >sound like really sharp, high frequencies or electronic blips and bleeps >spinning around really fast. Very trance inducing. Many of the other >tracks are these dense psychedelic clouds of electronic sound. Not exactly >monotone, but they could be listened to in that way, if you know what I >mean. On some of the tracks, there'll be this electronic drone rumbling >away, and suddenly underneath she'll throw in a very clear/hi-fi sounding >keyboard tone -- the contrast is unsettling. There's also an excerpt >entitled, "Tower Metals", which sounds like Aube or Merzbow messing around >with, well, metal samples/sounds, but in the hands of Amacher I felt she >was directing the sound with more thought, intricacy, and most importantly, >purpose. The music on this disc is, above all, very very drone-y and dense >w/ a surprisingly healthy amount of texture. I'd set aside some free time >for music listening if you're thinking of picking this disc up. > >Btw, in a week or two, I'll have some real audio samples of this Amacher >disc (and others) up on my webpage, which is still under construction at >the moment. It's mainly devoted to Melville, but I'm hoping to devote some >of it to music. Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Berman" Subject: Re: don byron Date: 26 Feb 1999 09:33:55 -0500 His 'tuskegee experiments' (nonesuch '91) is another great byron albem w/ sadiq's vocals on the title cut. mike Recently purchased "Nu Blaxploitation" and was impressed to find yet another style mastered by Byron. Can anyone recommend similar albums? Julian. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DeathOdors@aol.com Subject: A few items for sale or possible trade. Date: 26 Feb 1999 12:10:43 EST Hello - As far as I know, the items listed below are pretty hard to get these days. If I am wrong, I am wrong. I am interested in acquiring more stuff from Krzysztof Penderecki as well as the score for 'The Shining'. Perhaps we can trade. Please e-mail me privately if you are interested. Thanks. Richard HARRAS CD - Zorn/Bailey/Parker $20 YANKEES CD - Zorn/Bailey/Lewis $20 THE ART OF MEMORY CD - Zorn/Frith $25 COMPANY 91 VOLUME. 3 CD - Zorn/Yves Robert/Buckethead/Paul Rogers/Vanessa Mackness/Paul Lovens/Bailey/Pat Thomas/Alexander Balanescu $25 PAINKILLER - RITUALS CD - Offers ZORN - ARCHERY 2XLP BOX - Offers - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alissa bader Subject: Re: don byron Date: 26 Feb 1999 13:28:57 -0500 (EST) I've actually just discovered Byron, but I'm really interested in hearing his renditions of both Mickey Katz and Raymond Scott tunes. makes me want to dust off my great-aunt's klezmer albums and watch more cartoons. --alissa On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, Julian wrote: > Recently purchased "Nu Blaxploitation" and was impressed to find yet > another style mastered by Byron. Can anyone recommend similar albums? > Julian. > http://www.hartingdale.com.au/~jcurwin/ > > - > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vanheumen, Robert" Subject: loose tubes (was:RE: Like Masada / British scene) Date: 26 Feb 1999 16:15:16 -0500 >Speaking of the post-punky Loose Tubes "school" does anybody know where i could get loose tubes releases? thanks robert - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Natalia Subject: David Shea Date: 26 Feb 1999 17:20:22 -0800 Someone asked, so I'm finally answering. The new David Shea cd, "An Eastern Western Collected Works," is nothing short of astounding. I am a huge Shea fan to begin with, but this might easily become my favorite of his. The highpoint is the trio of tracks which feature Dave Douglas. These 3 tracks alone make the whole cd worthwhile, but the enitre cd is wonderful. Jim Pugliese also plays tympani, vibraphone and other percussion, with equally beautiful results. This is so far my favorite album of '99. I couldn't recommend it more highly, especially to fans of Shea and/or Douglas. I'm listening to it right now with my windows open while it's drizzling outside and the sky is greyish purple and the effect is exhilarating. -Ethan - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: ruins Date: 26 Feb 1999 18:31:39 -0800 (PST) hello all, i'm finally getting around to updating my Ruins discography. can someone tell me more about these recordings? looking for label/format/date/tracks. the usual info... Charles Hayward/Keiji Haino/Otomo Yoshihide/Tatsuya Yoshida/Peter Brotzmann Double Agent(s) Live in Japan Volume 2 Locus Solus RUINS / MOLECULES / ALBOTH / BELLY BUTTON / MUG 7" (Pandemonium) RONRUINS "Ketsunoana" (Pandemonium) cd Various CRUEL CLAW & HUNGRY THROAT 2 (CS) ??? (19??) Various GARBAGE SANDWICH (CS) BEAST 666 REKORDS (1992) thanks! hasta. --dk Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: mike patton Date: 27 Feb 1999 00:16:53 EST in the notes 4 adult themes it says he worked w/sepultura. what album was that? criterion info http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/vine/9374 "i am beyond their petty, lying morality..." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: new Shea (another two cents) Date: 27 Feb 1999 11:59:38 -0500 I see that Gene Natalia has already responded to Brian's request for reviews, but I've also been listening to the new Shea (An Eastern Western Collected Works on Sub Rosa) and have equally high recommendations and wanted to echo Gene's strong recommendation. Gene mentioned the three duets with Dave Douglas, but there are several other pieces which look bach to Satyricon which impressed me at least as much. The opening work is for three pianos (one randomly detuned) and tympani, and while it starts off sounding like the solo piano work in Satyricon, it soon moves off to its own territory with a mass of sound, a great opening work. This is followed by a very delicate piece for percussion, also based on Satyricon. There's a fairly amazing piece for jaw harp, but his vocal piece for multiphonic and overtone singing (does he really do this too?) is stunning. There's a piece for piano and vibraphone which was a 'forerunner' for one of the classical works with the Ictus Ensemble, and the closing piece brings the CD full circle with a work for synthesizers and samplers based on a single note, with spectrals and harmonics derived from that center, but which has the same driving rhythm as the opening piano piece. I am extremely impressed with the way Shea keeps moving in different directions, yet maintaining a continuity from work to work. This CD has a variety of pieces, so it never gets dull, and shows a growing maturity to this artist, who has moved very far away from his chaotic beginnings of Shock Corridor and Prisoner. Very highly recommended. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Computers are useless; they can only give you answers -- Pablo Picasso - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Allan Sutherland Subject: NYtimes - State of Music? Date: 28 Feb 1999 11:19:14 +0900 http://www.nytimes.com/library/arts/022899jazz-classical-music.html Interesting, what does anyone think? I have just coght onto it. (There is a Zorn real audio posted here, etc.) cheers. Allan. I am writing a discography of all of the recorded works of the sublime pianist McCoy Tyner, as leader and sideman, official and not so official. Any information that you may think will be even of the slightest help, please do not hesitate to contact me. Knowledge gained multiple times is far preferred to that never learned. Any help given will be acknowledged in the discography, or not if you prefer that. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: NYtimes - State of Music? Date: 27 Feb 1999 00:00:18 -0500 Allan Sutherland wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/library/arts/022899jazz-classical-music.html > > Interesting, what does anyone think? I have just coght onto it. It's sort of funny how the writer entirely neglects any contemporary "classical" music and makes no mention of any contemporary "jazz" outside Wynton Marsalis. If this man were more in touch with the avant-garde, which is a very logical extension of its roots, he would very importantly see that not all composed music is fixed and repeatable. Ever heard of Cage, Wolff, Brown, Feldman, Stockhausen and so on and so on? He would then see that he is wrong to undermine the role of the "classical" performer. With many works open to a lot of interpretation, the performer becomes very important. It seems to me that classical-derived (composed) and jazz-derived (improvised) music have in many cases reached a logical vertex of musical thought all in the spirit of nowness. We have Zorn's game pieces and Butch Morris' conductions. We have improvisation collectives such as AMM, MEV and the Gruppo di Improvvisazione Nuova Consonanza all including 20th century composers and performers. And in more recent years Terry Riley could probably be more accurately described as a free improvisor. If classical music is only that which existed before the turn of the century and jazz is only swingin' head-solo-head then he has a point. Too bad for him that's not the case. I believe there's a fluxus piece from the 60's that goes something like "When you are ready, begin playing your instrument. You will know when to stop." I think that sums it up. -Tom Pratt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: NYtimes - State of Music? Date: 28 Feb 1999 01:16:35 -0500 Tom Pratt wrote: > Allan Sutherland wrote: > > > http://www.nytimes.com/library/arts/022899jazz-classical-music.html > > > > Interesting, what does anyone think? I have just coght onto it. > > It's sort of funny how the writer entirely neglects any contemporary "classical" > music and makes no mention of any contemporary "jazz" outside Wynton Marsalis. Well, yes, but Pareles only mentions Marsalis within the context of the section about big bands being the closest thing in jazz to being the kind of repertory vessel that classical music by and large is. Otherwise, this is a completely vague essay - in a couple of places I thought it would have been nice to know to what he was referring. I'm not quoting the rest of Tom's reply, as I thought it was especially well-argued. Jon Pareles is a frequently remarkable pop critic and a pretty good jazz critic, but he does appear to be out of his depth here in ignoring the classical avant garde as Tom pointed out. And Jon's premise - that to call jazz "America's classical music" is misguided and unfair to jazz - then to go on to demonstrate his thesis in the way that he does seems, well, more than a little silly. After all, the only reason anyone ever proclaimed jazz "America's classical music" was in order to attain for jazz to attain the legitimacy and respect that classical music enjoys, and to demonstrate, perhaps, a certain level of aesthetic parity. And those reasons really aren't legitimate reasons to call jazz "America's classical music." That's just a slogan. America's classical music has been written by the likes of Gershwin and Copland, Brown and Cage, Harrison and Garland, Glass and Reich, Lang and Vierk, a portion of the output of Zorn, etc. etc. etc. - music that comes from the European classical music practice but which has expanded upon it in uniquely American ways. And jazz is simply jazz, an art form invented by African Americans in the early part of this century, and now respected (if perhaps inadequately here) and practiced by people worldwide. If jazz is America's most original contribution to the world's music, and a contribution the stature of which may rival or equal Europe's contribution of the standard European classical music (which is, of course, only one of the world's "classical" musics), there is still no need to cloak the former in the terminology of the latter. But that seems so patently obvious that I can't see why Pareles felt he needed to expend the energy to write this vague thought piece, unless it's just a reaction to the Ellington fever at Lincoln Center this year, or unless he was asked to contribute "something about jazz" to what otherwise seems to be a classical supplement. By the way, if anyone was wondering why there was a Zorn clip appended to this story, especially in light of the things that Tom pointed out about this essay, well, the fact is, the clip wasn't meant to be taken in the context of this story. It goes with Paul Griffith's piece on the dearth of well-known (or performed) modern classical composers. That's where you'll find citings for Zorn and the other sound clips. You'll find it here: http://www.nytimes.com/library/arts/022899young-composers.html Well worth reading - although as well-informed as Griffiths appears to be, all of the composers he mentions have been working in the mainstream for a while now. Surely there were a few more subversive young composers he might have named... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Matt Shipp/William Parker, "Mr. Chromosome," _DNA_ (forthcoming release, May '99) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: William York Subject: Glenn Spearman Date: 28 Feb 1999 02:17:09 -0500 (EST) > Anyone have any sound clips for Glenn Spearman: Blues For Falasha > Looks interesting. Any recommendations? I think this is pretty strong. The first few minutes are a spoken part, then there are two semi-long, quieter tracks, followed by the 28 min. main movement. The thing is, this follows some of the same dynamics that often drive me crazy with a lot of free jazz, but it just seemed like this one really worked. Sorry I can't be more specific... As far as the Radical Jewish Culture part being explicit in the music, there are a few little chanting samples and some sort of mid-eastern tinges, but its not like a free-jazz klezmer album. WY - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sasanborn Subject: Charming Hostess Date: 28 Feb 1999 00:20:33 -0700 Has anyone on the list heard the group Charming Hostess? Very unique mixture of styles, with some Klezmer thrown in. Was wondering if anybody has any of their full length releases? Thanx for any info. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: The "new" David S. Ware Quartet - a first report Date: 28 Feb 1999 03:03:10 -0500 Last night in New York City, a new day was ushered in for the formidable David S. Ware Quartet, as new drummer Guillermo E. Brown made his debut with the band. And this was a most auspicious debut, as former drummer Susie Ibarra had left a fairly indelible impression with many listeners during her tenure with the band, leaving three of the strongest albums in the Ware ouevre. Of course, a first gig is hardly indicative of the long-term relationship Brown will have with Ware, Shipp and Parker. And a large, hugely amplified gig in a big hall is hardly indicative of the actual organic relationship between four musicians on a more intimate bandstand. But Brown, a tall, dreadlocked man in his '20s, comes from a far different place than Ibarra, and this has a different effect on the band as well. The primary difference would seem to be this: Brown seems to come equipped with, and colored by, a well-honed working knowledge of rock and funk drumming. His take on such "straight time" pieces as "The Aquarian Sound" (the opener) and "Mikuro's Blues" (the closer) were thus much less stylistically indebted to "classic Coltrane quartet"-era Elvin Jones, and more aligned to a funk/r'n'b/rock conception. He also occasionally employed breakbeat-style rhythms familiar from recent drum 'n' bass, which really put a different spin on the music. (But don't go imagining some arcane jungle remix of the Ware sound... it was really only inserted where it seemed to fit.) None of this should imply that Brown's playing on the free tunes (I believe the second tune was "Wisdom Through Time" and I know the third one was "The Way We Were") was less than convincing. It was fine, and even through massive amplification one could sense that there was in fact some fairly sensitive detail in his playing. This band is in my opinion so much more suited to more intimate club dates, but certainly one can understand their enthusiasm for blowing for nearly 3000 Sonic Youth alt-rock kids (though many of us, alas, are hardly kids anymore...). Lost is Ibarra's delicacy, variety of touch and sound, and sheer sensual poetry in motion. And only a more intimate setting will prove what this particular band is capable of producing. But Brown clearly has something unique to offer in the context of the DSW4, and the other players are assuredly open to the new sounds. Ware in particular was huge and fierce this evening, more energized and powerful than in any other recent performance in memory (and this is the fourth time I've heard him since last summer). Since this was hardly a typical gig for the DSW4, I look forward to reading what Rrrrrick Lopez and others have to say about the Buffalo gig next Friday. Overall, I am sorry for the loss of Ibarra, but am decidedly interested in hearing how this new young drummer will further push this band. As for Sonic Youth, they played a fine gig, including most of the material from their latest album. They included one tune from _Dirty_ ("Sugar Kane"), one from _Experimental Jet Set_ ("Bull in the Heather") and two from _Daydream Nation_ ("Eric's Trip" and the totally cool set closer "Teenage Riot," concluded with a well-choreographed drama of guitar feedback). The encore, much to my personal delight, included two tunes from _EVOL_ ("Shadow of a Doubt" and "Tom Violence" - I'd dared to hope for the latter all night) and a DNA cover, I kid you not, with Lee imitating Arto's guitar, Kim singing Arto's vocal part, Thurston on bass and Steve sticking to the low toms for Ikue Mori's part) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Wu-Tang Clan, "Duck Seazon," _Wu-Tang Forever_ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel) Subject: Re: Alanis Date: 28 Feb 1999 13:16:03 +0100 > << > NP - Alanis Morrisette on the Grammies > > I saw/heard some of that. I must say, I never heard her before and > based on this introduction I'll be slow to return. Perhaps I'm > just a fuddy-duddy. > >> > > If you are Eric, you're certainly not alone here!! :-) Don't like the song either - but I think David Campbell's string arrangement is quite good. He's done some interesting work in otherwise forgettable mainstream songs. Kind regards, - Chris. ---------------------------------------------------- Chris Genzel -- stamil@t-online.de ---------------------------------------------------- Discographies of Herbie Hancock, Michael Beinhorn & Bennie Maupin at: http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/ ---------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase) Subject: Just out of the blue... Date: 28 Feb 1999 09:19:56 -0600 (CST) I paid a visit to Bill Frisell's home page and noticed that the counter is over 1.9 million. How can that be when most people I talk to have never heard of the guy? -a big fan... }Theodorus-- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Just out of the blue... Date: 28 Feb 1999 13:17:36 EST In a message dated 2/28/99 10:21:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, Vlad- Drac@webtv.net writes: > I paid a visit to Bill Frisell's home page and noticed that the counter > is over 1.9 million. How can that be when most people I talk to have > never heard of the guy? You didn't hear?? He's HUGE now. The kids love him. And counters are never wrong! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "joshua m. yorke" Subject: Re: Charming Hostess Date: 28 Feb 1999 14:12:30 -0500 you may want to check out the IRC channel #bungle.fever on EFnet... there are quite a few Charming Hostess fans who are regulars.... a fond farewell, yorkdork sasanborn wrote: > Has anyone on the list heard the group Charming Hostess? Very unique mixture > of styles, with some > Klezmer thrown in. Was wondering if anybody has any of their full length > releases? Thanx for any info. > > - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Re: Just out of the blue... Date: 28 Feb 1999 14:41:47 EST and I only visit the site 10 times a day - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: NYtimes - State of Music? Date: 28 Feb 1999 14:47:04 -0500 (EST) Maybe the correct statement should be that: Jazz is America's Jazz Music. Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net N.P.: Richard Grossman, Trio In Real Time - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Newgarden Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #603 Date: 28 Feb 1999 17:58:52 -0500 (EST) Re: NYtimes - State of Music? Tom Pratt wrote: >It's sort of funny how the writer entirely neglects any contemporary >"classical" music and makes no mention of any contemporary "jazz" outside Wynton >Marsalis. If this man were more in touch with the avant-garde, which is a very logical >extension of its roots, he would very importantly see that not all composed >music is fixed and repeatable. Ever heard of Cage, Wolff, Brown, Feldman, >Stockhausen and so on and so on?IZornI Butch MorrisIAMMIFluxusI Actually, Pareles is very aware of all this but for whatever reason ignores it in the context of this article. I'm actually more disappointed that he perpetuates the notion of jazz as Great American Art (or "America's Classical Music") to the exclusion of country/bluegrass/blues/gospel (not to mention rock or hip-hop, which has been relegated to 'devil's music' status by some, as jazz/blues was earlier in this century). No slight to jazz, but it's not the only interesting and important strain of 20th century American music, not the only one with 'depth' and 'nuance', which 'rewards knowledgeable listeners' and not the only one (in addition to classical) worthy of government and foundation grants, university study and scholarly analysis. If Wynton merits a new jazz hall at Lincoln Center built by taxpayer dollars, then John Fahey, Olu Dara, Sweet Honey In The Rock, Eugene Chadbourne, and the Klezmatics should at least get a communal shack or yurt on 66th St........... Then again, maybe it's better that tax dollars not be spent on the arts... Steve Smith wrote: >And Jon's premise - that to call jazz "America's classical music" is >misguided and unfair to jazz - then to go on to demonstrate his thesis in >the way that he does seems, well, more than a little silly... >But that seems so patently obvious that I can't see why Pareles >felt he needed to expend the energy to write this vague thought piece, >unless it's just a reaction to the Ellington fever at Lincoln Center this >year, or unless he was asked to contribute "something about jazz" to what >otherwise seems to be a classical supplement. It seems that Pareles is a far less thought-provoking essayist than he was 15 years ago (though maybe because I was a teenager at the time?) and that the general quality of the Times music writing (as well as the specific accuracy of factual/historical information) has gone way downhill in recent years... Maybe there's just too much music for them to keep track of these days? I found the accompanying 'pop/art' article by (below Pareles' article) the normally stodgy (cabaret/singer-songwriter/film specialist) Stephen Holden a far more interesting and relevant take on the 'state of music'. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Slntwtchr@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: NYtimes - State of Music? Date: 28 Feb 1999 18:48:29 EST haven't had a chance to get to the paper today, but apparently there's an article in the ny times called 'please don't say jazz is america's classical music', or something to that effect. if i get a chance tonight, i'll try to post a summary of it, if no one else gets a chance to first. peace, dave ___________________________________________________________ bill laswell, eraldo bernocchi, mick harris and lori carson discographies at : http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093 ___________________________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #603 Date: 28 Feb 1999 20:34:27 -0500 David Newgarden wrote: > ...should at least get a communal shack or > yurt on 66th St........... Then again, maybe it's better that tax dollars > not be spent on the arts... Special commendation to the first use of the word "yurt" on the z-list. Way to go, Dave! > It seems that Pareles is a far less thought-provoking essayist than he was > 15 years ago (though maybe because I was a teenager at the time?) and that > the general quality of the Times music writing (as well as the specific > accuracy of factual/historical information) has gone way downhill in > recent years... My thoughts precisely. Way, way back (like the 70's), there was only the late Robert Palmer (and, sometimes, John Rockwell) providing intelligent and well-informed commentary, and one waited eagerly for his reviews. By the mid-80's, it seemed the paper was chock full with pretty decent writers and the scene was amazingly well-covered. It often seemed difficult to attend an event and _not_ see Pareles or Watrous or one of the others enjoying the show. In recent years, things seemed to have returned to a pre-70's state, with mssrs. Pareles and Watrous edging into premature fuddy-duddyism. I don't have it at hand, but my recollection of Pareles' 1998 10 best list is that it was something less than adventurous and had little to do with jazz, new music etc. Which is fine, if that's what he's into these days. But if they're going to ask for an informed, possibly passionate, analysis of jazz' place vis a vis 20th century music, they might enlist someone who appears to actually _care_. Christ, I'd rather hear Crouch's opinion on the matter. Sorry for the NYC-centrality of the matter, but hey, it is the center of the Universe. Brian Olewnick - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Cheating, Lying, Stealing Date: 28 Feb 1999 22:44:08 EST I really like the sound sample of David Lang, "Cheating, Lying, Stealing" from NYT articles. I searched for it on Music Blvd., and, my lord, it just wasn't to be found. So what I want to know is other sites for buying "our kind of music" music on line. An obvious first suggestion is Welcome To Tzadik, not exactly an on line record store, but their entire catalogue is available. Anyway, lets spread the word of other good sites. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Re: Cheating, Lying, Stealing Date: 28 Feb 1999 22:50:25 EST hey, I found it myself at Bang On A Can CDs,music,discography,albums,recordings,real audio samples,reviews,info,CD Universe,Online Music Store -