From: BIRD BRAIN Subject: Masada Tour Date: 01 Sep 1996 23:42:35 -0400 Can anyone give me a list of tour dates for Masada? I finally get to hear Zorn live when Masada comes to Boudler, Co on Nov. 17th. But I'd like to catch some other shows if they play somewhere else in the Rocky Mtn region. Kevin Kobielusz Denver, CO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: philz Subject: Re: frisco patton/zorn gig Date: 02 Sep 1996 15:31:06 -0400 > john shiurba wrote: >there was a mostly unannounced >reunion of the group Twins (zorn/ackley/chadbourne/kaiser) who last >played together about 20 years ago. this was the best thing i've seen zorn >do, in years. totally amazing improvisation covering the full dynamic >spectrum from whispering acoustic guitar sounds to full on wailing saxes. >it was a magic moment, seeing zorn & chadbourne reunited, not to mention >zorn and kaiser on the same stage (there's no shortage of hostility between >them!) Can anyone fill me in on this?- I had no idea that Kaiser and Zorn are in opposition. If anything I'd expect there to be a common ground between them, both having worked so broadly in the electro-acoustic world, and both being excellent improvisers. At least I'm glad to hear that their animosity doesn't carry over to the stage. philz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Masada Tour/Masada on NPR radio Date: 04 Sep 1996 01:13:38 -0400 I would like to add that I too would like to see a list of Masada tour dates. And I just heard it come out of Branford's lips- this Wednesday NPR's "Jazz Set" will feature an excerpt from a Masada concert!! This will be aired on 88.3 WBGO in Newark, I dont know if the schedule is the same for other stations, but check it out! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scott mclemore Subject: Re: B. Previte, A. Fier, A. Parkins Date: 04 Sep 1996 17:18:25 -0400 (EDT) FUnny, I just saw Previte's Late Nite Knit thing last night. He's doing a thing every tues. wherein he and various happy-go-lucky knit guys play Miles stuff from the Bitches Brew period. I've seen a really great night of it once with Herb Robertson. But last night Cuong VU played and was marvelous...Simply Marvelous! And He was dressed extra fancy!!!!! X ______________________________________________________________________________ Scott McLemore---------------------------------------------------------------- ----------Drummer/Composer---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scott mclemore Subject: Re: human feel Date: 04 Sep 1996 17:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Well I'm very into Human Feel. They are: Andrew D'angelo-Alto/b.clarinet; Chris Speed-tenor/clarinet; Kurt Rosenwinkle-guitar; Jim Black-drums. As far as I know they all met in Boston while attending Berklee, but moved to NYC a few years back. Gunther Schuller produced their first CD "Scatter" which features a bass player:Joe Fitzgerald. They have 2 other CDs out now, and are all enjoyable by me. Each one seems more focused than the last. They seem to be the most bandy of all bands that exist in NEw York. I think they all lived together until recently. They all do other projects but HF seems to be a major thing for all of them. Shit, I could be their press secretary! ______________________________________________________________________________ Scott McLemore---------------------------------------------------------------- ----------Drummer/Composer---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PQuig99164@aol.com Subject: Masada in Philadelphia Date: 05 Sep 1996 00:30:12 -0400 Masada will be appearing at the International House, 3701 Chestnut St in Philadelphia on November 3rd at 7:00 P.M. Tickets are $15 (with a $2 service charge from Upstages (215) 893-1145 press 9 for operator). It's being described as "out-there Klezmer music by avant-garde improv master Zorn" The last, and I think only, time Masada was in Phila was at the Khyber Pass about three years ago. Marc Ribot on guitar. Great show, why hasn't this version of the band ever been documented? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: slawlor Subject: naked city vocalist Date: 05 Sep 1996 01:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Hi there. I was wondering if any of you guys know if the vocalist on "Naked city" has any solo material out there and is it as wacky as his performances on the "Naked City" album? If there is such material, can you give me some titles and where I might be able to find them? Thanks for the information. scott K. Lawlor 3358 Prange Dr. Cuyahoga Falls, OH. 44223 Phone, 330-922-4895 http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daver14@ibm.net (Daver) Subject: Re: naked city vocalist Date: 05 Sep 1996 00:08:59 -0700 >Hi there. I was wondering if any of you guys know if the vocalist on >"Naked city" has any solo material out there and is it as wacky as his >performances on the "Naked City" album? If there is such material, can >you give me some titles and where I might be able to find them? Thanks >for the information. Hey. Umm, yeah, his name is Yamatsuka (or Yamatanka? or??) Eye. His band, the Boredoms, are, how to put this, REALLY FUCKIN' GREAT! Seriously, the Boredoms live are quite amazing. Their "style", "sound" or whatever is all over the map. Some very silly, some studio-noise, some bad disco, and a lot of very good music, blended like a trashier-influenced Naked City through the Japanese culture filter. May I humbly suggest Wow 2, a live-in-the-studio album. It's an import, but if you can find it used, DO NOT PASS IT UP!! Soul Discharge, on Shimmy Disc is pretty great, and Pop Tatari, on Warner(?!?) is good too. A warning, they are firm beleivers in Eno's studio-as-an-instrument idea. There is an Eye/Zorn disc out on Tzadik, which I have heard once at work, but it didn't exactly knock my socks off. Eye, I've been told, often makes some extra money selling tapes of whatever he felt like screaming into the mike that day. One of a kind items, as it were. This thought kept popping into my head while listening to the Zorn/Eye CD. But maybe that's just me. Once your toes are in the water, good luck, your wallet will need it. Eye has at least three other side projects besides the Boredoms and Naked City (may I reccomend UFO Or Die - Cassettetape Superstar), and the rest of the band likewise. Mostly imports and hard to find. And while I'm here, might as well mention Eyvand Kang, DJ Olive and William Hooker ripped some shit up. Hooker and Olive have been touring and in Seattle were joined by Eyvand Kang, apparently never before having met or played with Hooker. Hooker said "..who I've never met, but know in spirit..." and that kinda summed it up. And while I'm still here, I've heard the Sun City Girls (any other SCG fans out there?) might be doing a gamelan orchestra show with members of the Boredoms here in Seattle, and I wouldn't be suprised if Eyvand showed up there as well. Not a show to be taken lightly. Sorry if I got carried away, but it's the Boredoms, whaddya expect. Dave Roos W = F x D ...I'm goin' to work and this guy gets on the bus, early morning, plenty of open seats, and sits right down next to this girl. Starts a conversation, actin' friendly to the trapped girl and when in reponse to his "So, where ya going to this morning, wanna go to my house?" she sez, "Thanks, but I'm going to work," and he comes back with "Work = Force x Distance." No surprise when she got off at the next stop. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: naked city vocalist Date: 05 Sep 1996 10:11:17 -0700 slawlor wrote: > > Hi there. I was wondering if any of you guys know if the vocalist on > "Naked city" has any solo material out there and is it as wacky as his > performances on the "Naked City" album? If there is such material, can > you give me some titles and where I might be able to find them? Thanks > for the information. His name is Yamataka (formerly Yamatsuka, but he changed it) Eye, and he can be sound on every album by his band the Boredoms... all highly innovative and recommended. He's also got two albums in duet with Zorn on Tzadik. "Nani Nani" (credited to Dekoboko Hajime and "Yamantaka Eye") is the most like what you've heard in the Naked City context, while "Zohar" (credited to the Mystic Fugu Orchestra) sounds like nothing either of them has ever done before -- actually it sounds like Jewish cantors recorded in the 1920s, complete with faked surface noise. And of course there's the new 100 CD box set by Zorn and Eye on Sound Factory (no kidding)... Wish I coulda sprung for that but decided to make my car payment instead... Eye can also be found on recordings by his side groups Hanatarash and UFO or Die, and he's contributed to recordings by Otomo Yoshihide and his group Ground Zero (particularly the amazing Ground Zero album on God Mountain records, which also features Zorn). It's probably tough to find by now, but the last issue of Resonance Magazine from England had a great Boredoms article with a painfully complete Eye discography - it also came packaged with an exclusive live 7" by Eye and Otomo. Hope this is of some help... Steve ssmith@kochint.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Germuska Subject: Re: Jaron Lanier Date: 05 Sep 1996 08:57:57 -0500 At 1:50 AM -0500 9/5/96, zorn-list-owner@xmission.com wrote: >From: seanter@ix.netcom.com (Sean Terwilliger ) >Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:58:35 -0700 >Subject: Jaron Lanier > >I recently came across a Jaron Lanier CD. Does anyone know anything >about this? Who is on it? What it sounds like??? I think it's completely solo. It's pretty quiet and refined, kind of chambery. The most interesting part (to me) was the wide variety of "ethnic" instruments Lanier plays (mostly Asian). The unusual sounds were interesting, and the music wasn't bad, but it hasn't compelled me to sit and listen more carefully either. Joe _____________ Joe Germuska |_____ "Once the writer in every individual comes to life j-germuska@nwu.edu |____ (and that time is not far off), Northwestern University |___ we are in for an age of universal deafness Learning Technologies Group |_______ and lack of understanding." http://www.nwu.edu/people/j-germuska| -- Milan Kundera ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: twallar@carleton.edu (Todd Wallar) Subject: Jim(my Carl) Black? Date: 05 Sep 1996 10:11:03 -0600 Is Jim Black of Tim Berne's group, etc. the same guy as Jimmy Carl Black (the Indian in the group) of Frank Zappa's original Mothers of Invention? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cz125@freenet.carleton.ca (Michael J. OConnor) Subject: Masada Date: 05 Sep 1996 12:16:36 -0400 Does anyone have a San Francisco date for the Masada tour? I saw 11/17 at Maritime Hall listed on a creative music tour page. Is this correct? Thanks, Mike -- MJO/Fun and Blindness/Cotati,CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jhale@cycor.ca (James Hale) Subject: Re: Jim(my Carl) Black? Date: 05 Sep 1996 14:47:35 -0300 Todd Wallar wrote: >Is Jim Black of Tim Berne's group, etc. the same guy as Jimmy Carl Black >(the Indian >in the group) of Frank Zappa's original Mothers of Invention? No. Jim Black is a young (27, I think) drummer from Seattle who's been on the Boston/New York scene for a couple of years. Black also plays drums in Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio, in Human Feel and in the Ben Monder Trio. James Hale Ottawa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scott mclemore Subject: Re: Jim(my Carl) Black? Date: 05 Sep 1996 14:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Jim Black does play in Boodcount but he's only in his late twenties, so called "Swirled Music." I don't remember the exact address but it's in Soho on Wooster st. in the 60's. It runs parrallel to W. Broadway. Bye Bye ______________________________________________________________________________ Scott McLemore---------------------------------------------------------------- ----------Drummer/Composer---------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Todd Wallar wrote: > Is Jim Black of Tim Berne's group, etc. the same guy as Jimmy Carl Black > (the Indian > in the group) of Frank Zappa's original Mothers of Invention? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Deters Subject: Re: Jim(my Carl) Black? Date: 05 Sep 1996 13:58:55 -0400 Todd Wallar wrote: > > Is Jim Black of Tim Berne's group, etc. the same guy as Jimmy Carl Black > (the Indian > in the group) of Frank Zappa's original Mothers of Invention? Nope ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: slawlor Subject: a zorn question Date: 05 Sep 1996 15:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Hi there. I know that John has played and recorded with a lot of people. I was wondering if he ever did any work with Frank zappa, which I imagine would be an interesting combination if it ever happened or ever got recorded. scott K. Lawlor 3358 Prange Dr. Cuyahoga Falls, OH. 44223 Phone, 330-922-4895 http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scott mclemore Subject: Re: Jim(my Carl) Black? Date: 05 Sep 1996 15:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Well, my original message got the middle chopped out of it. What I meant to say was: I saw Jim last night with The Tiny Bell Trio, and it rocked. The highlight for me (the whole thing was great) was Stairway to Heaven. Marc Ribot plays tonight at the same place. It's on Wooster st. in the 60's. So, get out there people...treat your ears! ______________________________________________________________________________ Scott McLemore---------------------------------------------------------------- ----------Drummer/Composer---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ag621@detroit.freenet.org (Patrick J. Frisco) Subject: Re: Harass and Lang Thompson Date: 05 Sep 1996 16:54:38 -0400 Here we go again. I thought I'd only read this rubbish in Pulse! Lang Thompson writes in his review of "Harass" for Option mag, "Sure you know that free improvisation is generally more fun to read about than to hear"......then rattles some garbage off about "cacophonous austerity".......... Come on Mr. Thompson, I think that most fans of Zorn Really Do enjoy free improvisation. You obviously do not. How did you come to write this review anyways? Pat Frisco ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Beuchaw Subject: Re: Sound Factory 100CD set Date: 05 Sep 1996 16:16:27 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Steve Smith wrote: > ... And of course there's the new 100 CD box set by Zorn and Eye on > Sound Factory (no kidding)... Wish I coulda sprung for that but decided > to make my car payment instead... Actually, according to Sound Factory (I emailed 'em about it), it's delayed until at least spring 97. :-( cya brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: denman@nyc.pipeline.com (Denman Maroney) Subject: Re: Jim(my Carl) Black? Date: 06 Sep 1996 01:04:27 GMT No. I don't know exactly how old he is, but he looks about 25. On Sep 05, 1996 10:11:03, 'twallar@carleton.edu (Todd Wallar)' wrote: >Is Jim Black of Tim Berne's group, etc. the same guy as Jimmy Carl Black (the >Indian >in the group) of Frank Zappa's original Mothers of Invention? > > -- Denman Maroney ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: basilar@cris.com (david m rothbaum) Subject: masada dates Date: 05 Sep 1996 18:33:17 -0700 were are you getting this info from? and does anyone know if they are planning to come to LA? if so where and when? thanks david "the computer tells us that there are 373,248 possible fingering combinations on the clarinet." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wlt4@aol.com Subject: Re: Harass and Lang Thompson Date: 05 Sep 1996 22:29:19 -0400 ****** Well, actually i do enjoy free improv quite a bit; my review of "Harass" was something close to an enthusiastic rave after all. I've been supporting free improv for well over a decade (at least since the vinyl of Zorn's Locus Solus): playing it on the radio, writing reviews for numerous publications, doing interviews (Borbetomagus to Joe Morris), publishing a contact listing of relevant addresses, attending concerts, etc. The point i was trying to get across--and didn't succeed too well since others have had a similar reaction to your's--is that like anything most free improv isn't likely to appeal to people who aren't already interested (which is, of course, not really a drawback since the same could be said of anything from string quartets to zydeco). Such people were exactly who i was trying to address, assuming that people already interested in Zorn or Bailey don't much care what i think (the only reason i posted it to the Zorn group was because somebody had asked what it was like). Free improvisors can fall into the same generic ruts as any musicians. In fact, my biggest complaint about free improv isn't the music itself but the claims that it is somehow a superior way of making music, reasoning that no rules is (a) politically more progressive and (b) more conducive to artistic expression. The same arguments have been used for free verse and it's the word "free" that seems to be part of the problem. I guess what i'm trying to say is that free improv often works in spite of itself and that we should try to help potential listeners into the music. By the way, Option reviewers have no choice in what they are assigned. The editors try to match tastes/background but they don't always succeed. Best, Lang Thompson http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm In a message dated 96-09-05 17:03:29 EDT, you write: << Here we go again. I thought I'd only read this rubbish in Pulse! Lang Thompson writes in his review of "Harass" for Option mag, "Sure you know that free improvisation is generally more fun to read about than to hear"......then rattles some garbage off about "cacophonous austerity".......... Come on Mr. Thompson, I think that most fans of Zorn Really Do enjoy free improvisation. You obviously do not. How did you come to write this review anyways? Pat Frisco ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Corroto Subject: Re: Harass and Lang Thompson Date: 06 Sep 1996 10:09:54 -0500 regarding: (1) Lang Thompson: > > ****** Well, actually i do enjoy free improv quite a bit; my review of > "Harass" was something close to an enthusiastic rave after all.................... (2)Pat Frisco > << Here we go again. I thought I'd only read this rubbish in Pulse! > Lang Thompson writes in his review of "Harass" for Option mag, > "Sure you know that free improvisation is generally more fun to read > about than to hear"......then rattles some garbage off about > "cacophonous austerity".......... I must say i agree with Lang Thompson, while I am also a huge fan of the improv scene, I must add that RECORDINGS never come anything close to the live experiance I have found this to be true of all music, but especially true for improvisational music for instance, Seeing Conspiracy (UK) was nothing like all the tapes bandmember Barry pilcher sent to us, same for Brotzmann, etc.etc.... After a live show, i always have a greater appreciation for the music..... I once coaxed some Gen-X'rs to go to a Brotzmann show with me before the date,I lent all kinds of cds for a listen, they hated the discs But went wild at the concert......so did I now they are big BIG fans...... and there's was nothing like a Sun Ra show Mark Corroto ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Walsh Subject: Re: Masada in Philadelphia Date: 06 Sep 1996 15:40:00 PDT >>Masada will be appearing at the International House, 3701 Chestnut St in >>Philadelphia on November 3rd at 7:00 P.M. Tickets are $15 (with a $2 >>service charge from Upstages (215) 893-1145 press 9 for operator). >>It's being described as "out-there Klezmer music by avant-garde improv >>master Zorn" Damn, I can't believe it! John Zorn is playing next door to where I work, this is awesome. I have never had the pleasure of seeing any of Zorn's projects live (I remembered Naked City playing U. Penn 4 or 5 years ago, but I didn't find out about it until it was too late). I walked over to see if this info was right (it sounded too good to be true), and it's advertised on the board outside. Too bad it's not on a week night, or I could walk over right after work. Well, I hope to see some of you at the show. Hopefully there will be enough people there to convince Zorn to come back more often. Matt Walsh mattw@smginc.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew J. Wilson" Subject: Re: Harass and Lang Thompson Date: 06 Sep 1996 18:35:09 -0400 > From: Wlt4@aol.com > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:29:19 -0400 [...] > The point i was trying to get across--and didn't succeed too well since > others have had a similar reaction to your's--is that like anything most free > improv isn't likely to appeal to people who aren't already interested (which > is, of course, not really a drawback since the same could be said of anything > from string quartets to zydeco). Such people were exactly who i was trying > to address, assuming that people already interested in Zorn or Bailey don't > much care what i think (the only reason i posted it to the Zorn group was > because somebody had asked what it was like). Free improvisors can fall > into the same generic ruts as any musicians. In fact, my biggest complaint In the same way that some people's conversation can become stiff and wooden as a result of continual re-use of stale topics, phrases, opinions, etc., or as a result of various primate dominance patterns and mis-communications, free improvisations can be bad for similar reasons. It is the responsibility of the performer to seek out the proper situations where truly inspired musical conversations can occur, and to cultivate the necessary mechanical, mental and spiritual skills in themselves to be able to have "something to say" in a musical conversation. Also, a conversation that is exciting to some people can be annoying, boring, or infuriating to other people. Objecting to free improvisation on the grounds that some or much of it is bad is like objecting to human conversations because some or many of them are bad. > about free improv isn't the music itself but the claims that it is somehow a > superior way of making music, reasoning that no rules is (a) politically more > progressive and (b) more conducive to artistic expression. The same > arguments have been used for free verse and it's the word "free" that seems Free improvisation is not music with no rules (rules meaning some sort of organizing principles or other). That is a misconception, not as funny but just as incorrect as the idea some people had that free jazz was a concert that you didn't have to pay to get into. The rules, conscious or not, are essential for there to be coherence to the music. It's not that there are no rules as much as the rules are selected on the fly from the various bags of tools available to the performers. Free improvisation is in fact the only way to have a real musical conversation with other players. Scripted music, like theater, is for the most part stamped by the personality of the script writer (the composer or playwright), and the only way for the group identity to assert itself, and for individual personalities to be fully explored, is through a conversational process of discovery. > to be part of the problem. I guess what i'm trying to say is that free > improv often works in spite of itself and that we should try to help > potential listeners into the music. [...] > Best, Lang Thompson > http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richie Teh Subject: Drumnet presents: the Joey Baron discography project Date: 11 Sep 1996 22:43:56 +1000 (EST) Hi all, I've been given permission from Patrice to work on a Joey Baron discography. He has since sent me a list of recordings. I've htmled them up also including stuff that I own not in his list and place them onto Drumnet's Drummer Discography. You can find it on http://www.clearview.com.au/drumnet For those who doesn't know, Drumnet is a site dedicated to drummers and their music. It contains CD Reviews (next issue featuring avant jazz CDs), and the ultimate drummer's discography featuring the authorised Peter Erskine discography, an authorised Dennis Chamber discography (not complete) and other drummers (altogether 28 of them and more to come). Visit Drumnet now (till 3rd Oct 1996) and you might win a free CD (Screaming Headless Torsos's debut CD). Anyways, below is a cut down version of Joey's discography. For a more detailed listing (including albumn cover, track listing etc), please refer to Drumnet's Drummer's Discography page. Regards, Richie Teh Maintainer of Drumnet http://www.clearview.com.au/drumnet Email: richie@c031.aone.net.au or drumnet@clearview.com.au *if you wish to advertise on Drumnet, please send me an email A big thank you to the following people: Patrice L. Roussel (proussel@ichips.intel.com) If you are aware of any other titles missing from this discography, please feel free to contact me (Richie Teh) at drumnet@clearview.com.au. "At The Great American Music Hall" Carmen McRae "Transparency" Herb Robertson Quintet "Sarabande" Fred Hersch,Charlie Haden,Joey Baron "Beauty and the Beast" Mark Murphy ""X"cerpts Live at Willisau" Herb Robertson Quintet "Claude's Late Morning" Bobby Previte "Blank Pastels" Hank Roberts "Miniature" Joey Baron,Tim Berne,Hank Roberts "Spy Vs Spy, The Music of Ornette Coleman" John Zorn "Strange Angels" Laurie Anderson "Rodan" Sato Michihiro "I passed for human" Mark Bingham "Before we were born" Bill Frisell "Naked City" John Zorn "Grind Crusher" various bands from Earache "Is That You?" Bill Frisell "Fractured Fairy Tales" Tim Berne "Knitting Factory Knotes ??? & ??? '91 Artist Sampler" Various Artists "I Can't Put My Finger On It" Miniature "Downtown does the Beatles Live at the Knitting Factory" Various Artists "Heretic, Jeux Des Dames Cruelles" Naked City "Grand Guignol" Naked City "Leng Tch'e" Naked City "Grace Under Pressure" John Scofield "Have a little Faith" Bill Frisell "Diminutive Mysteries (Mostly Hemphill)" Tim Berne "Radio" Naked City "Absinthe" Naked City "Caged/Uncaged" Various Artists "Torture Garden" Naked City "Klezmer 1993 - New York City: The tradition continues on the lower east side" Various Artists "Live at the Knitting Factory, Vol 2" Various Artists "Bright Red/Tightrope" Laurie Anderson "Alef" Masada "This Land" Bill Frisell "Zattere Alla Deriva" Various Artists "Live" Bill Frisell, Kermit Driscoll, Joey Baron "Beit" Masada "Gimel" Masada "Dalet" Masada "Het" Masada "Vav" Masada "In Our Lifetime" Dave Douglas "Crackshot" Joey Baron + Barondown "Night Song" Putter Smith Quintet "O Corpo Sutil - The Subtle Body" Arto Lindsay "Filmworks III" John Zorn "Green" Ambitious Lovers "Alternate Currents" Various Artists "Sanctified Dreams" Tim Berne "Urlicht" Uri Caine "These Rooms" Jim Hall "Deep Down" Enrico Pieranunzi "Pat Martino Live" Pat Martino "The Return" Pat Martino "Blue Bop" Judy Niemack with Cedar Walton Trio "Another Hand" David Sanborn Videos/LaserDisc/Films etc Jazz Highlights 1990 - Stuttgart Jazz Summit (Pioneer LDC (1990) PILJ-1111) This laserdisc features Sun Ra Arkestra, Archie Shepp, and several world music-jazz-fusion bands. track 7 - John Zorn Naked City - Mystery Song 4:15 John Zorn(as), Wayne Horvitz(key), Bill Frisell(g) Fred Frith(b), Joey Baron(ds) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shawn W Coleman Subject: LIST MANAGER -- Unsubscribe me. Date: 13 Sep 1996 13:44:33 -0400 (EDT) I have tried everything to get off of this list, and I cannot find the list manager's name or address. Please help. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: ZORN-LIST INFO PACK (please save) Date: 13 Sep 1996 15:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Howdy Everyone, I'm back from my summer roadtrip (a big thanks to sean naes for running the zorn-list in my absence) and have returned to the helm of maintaining the zorn-list. Here's a new and improved version of the list info file. cheers, mike rizzi ABOUT THE ZORN LIST The Zorn list was created so that fans of John Zorn and his MANY projects could come together and chat about the man and his music...Naked City, Masada, Painkiller, etc..... 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Enjoy! mike rizzi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wlt4@aol.com Subject: Derek Bailey videos Date: 13 Sep 1996 22:39:57 -0400 The new catalog from the Jazz Record Mart lists three Bailey videos: "Company in Japan," "Mountain Stage" and "Will." They seem to be on Incus, at least the catalog number starts with "Inc" and are performance videos. Has anybody seen these? Lang Thompson http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" Subject: D. Douglas in Chicago Date: 17 Sep 1996 14:36:57 -0500 I'm wondering if anyone caught the Dave Douglas show in Chicago last night. How was it? I would have been there, but I was watching 3 sets of the Melvins across town... read icculus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: slawlor Subject: background noise Date: 17 Sep 1996 18:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Hi. I had a question about the "Naked City" cd by John Zorn. On track 10, the first of the 6 or 7 speed metal cuts, there's a strange sound in the background as the guitar and bass hammer out the first few beats before the drums and maniac vocals come in. After a few seconds of everything jamming and a short screech of feedback, you can hear this strange noise again, and it sounds like it's being sped up, maybe with some vocal sounds layered into it somehow. My question is, does anyone know what this is and how it was done. It's a really cool effect whatever it is. Thanks for the information. scott K. Lawlor 3358 Prange Dr. Cuyahoga Falls, OH. 44223 Phone, 330-922-4895 http://w3.gwis.com/~slawlor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Deborah Christman Subject: Re: LIST MANAGER -- Unsubscribe me. Date: 17 Sep 1996 05:27:42 -0700 me too!!!!!!!!!!! get me off this list!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stickman Subject: Torture Garden (vinyl record!) Date: 17 Sep 1996 21:14:55 -0700 For Sale: I found a mint, still sealed, vinyl copy of John Zorn's Torture Garden. Anybody interested? Please e-mail me privately, i'll take best offer, or best reasonable trade. A must for any Zorn Collector! Stickman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john shiurba Subject: Re: background noise Date: 17 Sep 1996 19:02:04 +0000 > Hi. I had a question about the "Naked City" cd by John Zorn. > On track 10, the first of the 6 or 7 speed metal cuts, there's a strange > sound in the background as the guitar and bass hammer out the first few > beats before the drums and maniac vocals come in. After a few seconds of > everything jamming and a short screech of feedback, that screech is saxophone. > you can hear this > strange noise again, and it sounds like it's being sped up, maybe with > some vocal sounds layered into it somehow. > My question is, does anyone know what this is and how it was done. It's sounds like a sampler to me, but what exactly it's a sample of is anyones guess. -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scott mclemore Subject: Re: background noise Date: 18 Sep 1996 16:38:53 -0400 (EDT) I think that is Frisell speeding up his delay pedal, or maybe not, but I know he does that a lot. So, in a way it is a sampler. ______________________________________________________________________________ Scott McLemore---------------------------------------------------------------- ----------Drummer/Composer---------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, john shiurba wrote: > > Hi. I had a question about the "Naked City" cd by John Zorn. > > On track 10, the first of the 6 or 7 speed metal cuts, there's a strange > > sound in the background as the guitar and bass hammer out the first few > > beats before the drums and maniac vocals come in. After a few seconds of > > everything jamming and a short screech of feedback, > > that screech is saxophone. > > > you can hear this > > strange noise again, and it sounds like it's being sped up, maybe with > > some vocal sounds layered into it somehow. > > My question is, does anyone know what this is and how it was done. It's > > sounds like a sampler to me, but what exactly it's a sample of is anyones guess. > > -- > > > > shiurba@sfo.com > > http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony J Saunders Subject: Re: Torture Garden (vinyl record!) Date: 18 Sep 1996 14:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Uh, the Relapse Records catalog has that for $13. If you mean a first press, then thats different. What record label is this pressing. anthony On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Stickman wrote: > For Sale: > I found a mint, still sealed, vinyl copy of John Zorn's Torture Garden. > Anybody interested? Please e-mail me privately, i'll take best offer, or best reasonable > trade. > A must for any Zorn Collector! > Stickman > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: Re: Torture Garden (vinyl record!) Date: 18 Sep 1996 10:15:10 -0700 (PDT) >I found a mint, still sealed, vinyl copy of John Zorn's Torture Garden. >Anybody interested? Please e-mail me privately, i'll take best offer, or >best reasonable trade. > A must for any Zorn Collector! Is this particularly rare? I see vinyl copies of it all the time.... mike rizzi@tfs.com ------------------------------------------- rizzi@netcom.com -=work=- "Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: basilar@cris.com (david m rothbaum) Subject: masada in san fran Date: 19 Sep 1996 07:10:01 -0700 does anyone know when they will play there again? and where too perhaps? thanks, david "the computer tells us that there are 373,248 possible fingering combinations on the clarinet." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Sibley Subject: Re: Welcome to zorn-list Date: 24 Sep 1996 12:16:47 +0000 Hi- new member needs info. Has Zorn's Cobra been documented on videotape? If so, does anyone have info on how to obtain or view a copy? We are in NYC. respond here, email direct or call 718.789.1966 thanks alot Tom Sibley ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scott mclemore Subject: Re: feel Date: 24 Sep 1996 17:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Yeah, I like it. The track with the singer is a plus. How do you have it? You must have gotten it from them because it isn't officially released yet. They just got a promo box for the What is Jazz? Fest. Scott On Sat, 21 Sep 1996, h. davies wrote: > hi - the new human feel cd (on songlines)is their best by far... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Torsten Nielsen Subject: FABRIK in Hamburg Date: 25 Sep 1996 15:26:14 +0200 (METDST) Does anybody know how I can contact Fabrik in Hamburg?!? I want tickets for the John Zorn/Bar Kokhbah concert on 22. october... ANY help would be appreciated! Thanks, Jonas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcin Gokieli Subject: Goebells Date: 25 Sep 1996 18:27:43 CET Hi everyone, I've just found a cd by Heiner goebbels called 'a man in an elvator' (if i reme mber correctly). It features Frith, Don Cherry, and a guitarists (i've just for got his name- he played on locus solus, frisell's before we were born and so on ). It 's a vey nice alum, i recommend it. But here comes the question: who is this ' Goebbels'? i know he played in a ban d called cassiber, that featured also chris cutler, but nothing more. Thanks in advance & Keep on hunting for the snark, Marcin Gokieli ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: marcin gokieli Subject: Cutler-Parkins Date: 25 Sep 1996 18:35:39 CET Another thing... can anybody tell me something about the Cutler-parkins duo? They're supposed to come to poland, but not to warsaw(where i live). I 'd like to know what they p lay before spending a lot of time&money for the possibility of seeing them live ... I include the list of my fave albums - so that you know what i like; Opinions from people with similiar tastes would be the most valualble. Fripp : thrang tharang gozinblux(with league of gentelmen), first day, exposure zorn:spillane, nani nani, locus solus, masadas, filmworks... frith: gravity, early henry cow... frisell :everything i have heard, but especially the 'LIVE' (what an album!!!) previte :hue&cry king crimson : lizard, starless &bb, Discipline, Beat, VROOOM, Thrak, THRaK aTT aK (Check out this one!!!). Davis: filles de kilimanjaro, In The sky, agharta&panagea... That's enough :-) Keep on hunting for the snark, Marcin Gokieli ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew C Weiner Subject: Re: Goebells Date: 25 Sep 1996 13:53:21 -0400 (EDT) I'm wondering about this album too, because I've seen a vinyl album listed as "radio edits" in a local used store. About how long is the CD, total? Matt On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, Marcin Gokieli wrote: > Hi everyone, > I've just found a cd by Heiner goebbels called 'a man in an elvator' (if i reme > mber correctly). It features Frith, Don Cherry, and a guitarists (i've just for > got his name- he played on locus solus, frisell's before we were born and so on > ). It 's a vey nice alum, i recommend it. > But here comes the question: who is this ' Goebbels'? i know he played in a ban > d called cassiber, that featured also chris cutler, but nothing more. > Thanks in advance & > Keep on hunting for the snark, > Marcin Gokieli > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Terwilliger Subject: Re: Goebells Date: 25 Sep 1996 18:54:20 -0700 Matthew C Weiner wrote: > > I'm wondering about this album too, because I've seen a vinyl > album listed as "radio edits" in a local used store. About how > long is the CD, total? Its 42:46. The music is good, not great. I've got the 'radio edit' album as well as the CD. I havn't listend to the LP in qite some time, but i seem to remember it being a cut-up. Tracks combined and shortened to gain some airplay. -Sean ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mason Wendell" Subject: Prelapse web site Date: 28 Sep 1996 17:55:24 +0000 Hi Everybody! Hi Doctor Nick! Hey Y'all, Just a note to let you know that the Prelapse web site is finally up.Drop on by at: http://www.tiac.net/users/prelapse/mwendell.html It's in it's first stages and like all pages it's "under construction." So check it out and please let me know what you think. Later, Mason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Friedrich Feger Subject: Re: Goebells Date: 29 Sep 1996 12:16:18 +0100 Hi everybody, Heiner Goebbels lives in Frankfurt (Germany) and used to work a lot with a= drummer named Alfred 23 Harth. (Don't know if this helps a lot). Fritz At 18:27 25.09.96 CET, Marcin Gokieli wrote: >Hi everyone, >I've just found a cd by Heiner goebbels called 'a man in an elvator' (if i= reme >mber correctly). It features Frith, Don Cherry, and a guitarists (i've just= for >got his name- he played on locus solus, frisell's before we were born and= so on >). It 's a vey nice alum, i recommend it. >But here comes the question: who is this ' Goebbels'? i know he played in a= ban >d called cassiber, that featured also chris cutler, but nothing more. >Thanks in advance & >Keep on hunting for the snark, >Marcin Gokieli > > ffff,0000,0000Fritz Feger Reitstallstr. 7 37073 G=F6ttingen 0551-44549 ffeger@gwdg.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: scott mclemore Subject: Re: feelings.. Date: 30 Sep 1996 17:49:19 -0400 (EDT) No,I don't have that Davey D. and Han B. CD. I'm not even aware of it. Can you send me the songlines address, so that I might get a catalogue ? Is it just duo? I saw Dave Douglas and Joey Baron duo one night at the old Knitting Factory and it was superb! ______________________________________________________________________________ Scott McLemore ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JonAbbey@aol.com Subject: Douglas/Bennink Date: 30 Sep 1996 18:39:56 -0400 Has the Douglas/Bennink disc on Songlines actually been released? If not, does anyone have a release date for it? Thanks, Jon