From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Fwd: Harry Partch Date: 01 Jul 1997 10:01:07 -0700 (PDT) hey now, thought this might be of interest to folks here. hasta. --dk Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Weird Nightmare is OK, but I'd really recomend The Music of Harry Partch (CRI) for the masterpiece And On The Seventh Day Pedals Fell In Petaluma. In fact, you might want to wait a few months. This fall, four cd's of unreleased, rare and previoiusly released but remastered material are coming out on CRI. The fellow who remastered the material has a web site. http://205.216.138.19/~websites/jszanto/welcome.html You can find track listings for the forthcoming CRI material there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Brunelle Subject: Ion info. Date: 01 Jul 1997 14:22:18 -0400 Just to let everyone know (if you don't already) that there's an Ion Records site with info and merchandise at : http://www.normanssoundandvision.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m. rizzi" Subject: h*lp with Hovitz' THIS NEW GENERATION needed!!! Date: 01 Jul 1997 20:07:35 -0700 (PDT) This message from Patrice was bounced to me. mike >Subject: help with Hovitz' THIS NEW GENERATION needed!!! >Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:43:15 -0700 >From: "Patrice L. Roussel" > > > Hi, > > Does anybody own a copy of the LP version of this record: > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >025 - THIS NEW GENERATION: Wayne Horvitz > > All selections from this record were previously available on DINNER AT EIGHT > (1986) and THE PRESIDENT (1987). > > 1987 - Elektra Musician, 9 60759-1 (LP) > 1987 - Elektra Musician, 9 60759-2 (CD) > > Note: (14) and (15) are missing on the LP pressing. > Note: the LP pressing has a song not available on the CD. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >I am trying to figure out the name of the LP track missing on the CD. > > Patrice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dwight Haden Subject: New Tzadik CDs Date: 02 Jul 1997 11:46:10 +0000 Here's some news I picked up off Birdland's new release page (www.magna.com.au/~birdland/index.html) you might be interested in: TZADIK new release cds - in stock around July 15th . John Zorn Duras : Duchamp Tz 7023 Mark Feldman,Cenovia cummins, Erik Friedlander, Anthony Coleman, John Medesky, Christian Bard, Jom Pugliese. DURAS - Premier livre, deuxieme livre, triseme livre, epilogue. ETANT Donnes - 69 paroxyms for Marchel Duchamp Duras is a major new composition inspired by the writings of Marguerite Duras and the mystical music of Olivier Messiaen. Seductive, elusive, ritualistic Duras is a hypnontic work of startling clarity and complexity. "Etant Donnes" is the perfect companion piece to Duras : a provocative noise trio inspired by the enigmatic last masterpiece of Marcel Duchamp, one of France's greatest conceptualists. John Zorn Filmworks 1986 - 1990 Tz 7314 This original installment in the Filmworks Series presents three scores ranging from punk- rockabilly ( featuring the nasty guitars of Bob Quine, Marc Ribot and Arto Lindsay ) ; a jazzy Bernard Herrmann fantasy ; to a quirky classical/improv/world music amalgam for Raul Ruiz's bizarre film "The Golden Boat". Zorn's infamous one minute arrangement of Morricone's classic " The good, the bad and the ugly ", is included as a bonus track. Out of print for several years these classic recordings are made available here with the original cover art intact. John Zorn Filmworks VII Tz 7315 Cynical Hysterie Hour The holy grail of Zornothologists is finally available in a newly remastered definitive edition. Released in Japan for only a few short months in 1990, this is the original music Zorn created for a series of four shorts by one of Japan's most endearing cartoonists : Kiriko Kubo. A long time champion of Warner Bros. cartoon composer Carl Stalling Zorn considers this to be his finest and most personal take on cartoon music to date, a genre that has influenced him deeply. The all-star band includes Bill Frisell *, Marc Ribot, Arto Lindsay, Robert quine, Wayne Horvitz, Bobby Previte and Cyro Baptista. * Check out Bill's 2 latest cds "Nashville" and "Quartet" - both are exceptional . David Slusser Delight at the end of TZ 7024 the tunnel Composer , performer, one of the foremost sound esingers on the West coast, the mad genius of David Slusser has enhanced the films of David Lynch, George Lucas , Francis Ford Coppola and the music of John Zorn, Mike Patton and Angelo Badalamenti. Drawing inspiratin from sources as diverse as 1950's mood music,industrail deomos, early musique concrete and beer commercials, Slusser takes us on an exotic trip through his insane sound world via sound efects, thremins and other rare electronic instruments that have bee or should have been long forgotten. Yasunao Tone Solo for wounded Tz 7212 A founding member of the Fluxus Movement with Takehisa Kosugi, Yoko Ono and George Maciunas, Yasunao Tone has been doing experimental sound pieces since the early 1960's. For the past ten years much of his work has centered on extending the possibilities of Cds as a performance medium. With this new cd , Tone has created a new noise music for the 21st century : a symphony of digital errors that reaches a new extreme in intensity and musicla energy. Nana Vasconcelos Fragments : Modern Tz 7506 tradition The world's foremost Brazilian percussionist, Nana's stunnig virtuosity is matched only by the originality of his compositional vision. The music here ranges from his trademark solo music to ensemble pieces featuring some of his favorite collaborators, among them Cyro Baptista and Egberto Gismonti, including a lovely piece for string orchestra. Nana's seductive voice and percussion is on the forefront throughout weaving in and out of this delightful collection of award-winning film scores. Coming shortly Tzadik will release a 6 cd box set of The Parachute Years by John Zorn. Dwight Haden === dhaden@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw Subject: Re: Parachute Years - 6 CDs?!?!? Date: 02 Jul 1997 10:16:42 -0500 (CDT) On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Dwight Haden wrote: > Here's some news I picked up off Birdland's new release page > (www.magna.com.au/~birdland/index.html) you might be interested in: > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ....... > > Coming shortly Tzadik will release a 6 cd box set of The Parachute Years > by John Zorn. From what I understand, _The Parachute Years_ is gonna be a reissue of 3 double vinyl LPs, and it was gonna be on 3 CDs (which would mean some of the material was going to be left off for timing constraints). I'd think it would fit comfortably on 4 CDs, unless the 6 CDs are going to correspond to the slabs of vinyl. Does anyone know if that's going to be the case or if there's going to be extra material (and the box it's going to come in is not gonna be a regular size box either, I guess)? Just wondering (and hoping I'm not gonna have to pay out the butt for 6 CDs)... cya brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: New Tzadik CDs Date: 03 Jul 1997 00:54:12 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Dwight Haden wrote: > Here's some news I picked up off Birdland's new release page > (www.magna.com.au/~birdland/index.html) you might be interested in: Anyone seen a release date for these in the USA? Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: smokey@maui.net Subject: Zorn Live online from the Knitting Factory!!! but no sound Date: 06 Jul 1997 16:16:51 +0000 JOHN ZORN is playing live at the k.f. right now and they're broadcasting via streamworks, but all i get is tiny jerky pictures and a quiet hum... i don't think it's on purpose. frustration!! is anyone else having this problem? Dan Kuehn resident manager Kailua Maui Gardens ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "K.O." Subject: Jeff Buckley Date: 07 Jul 1997 20:32:15 +0000 Hey guys, Did Jeff Buckley ever played on Zorn's album? Thanks in advance. Kotaro Otake Yokohama, Japan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ssmith@knittingfactory.com (Steve Smith) Subject: Re: Jeff Buckley Date: 07 Jul 1997 11:14:42 -0400 >Hey guys, > >Did Jeff Buckley ever played on Zorn's album? > >Thanks in advance. > >Kotaro Otake >Yokohama, Japan Near as I can tell, the only intersection of these two artists was Jeff's appearance on the Knitting Factory COBRA cd, which contained sections of a number of different Cobra performances, including an all-voal one with Jeff. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ssmith@knittingfactory.com (Steve Smith) Subject: Signing off... Date: 07 Jul 1997 13:45:14 -0400 Dear Zornies: Well, it's been great, but now comes the time to say goodbye. My time at my current job is up on Friday July 11 and I'm not yet online anywhere else. It's been great sharing factoids, thoughts and opinions with you for the last several years, and I hope to be back before too long. Thanks for everything. Steve Smith ssmith@knittingfactory.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Scarecrow Date: 07 Jul 1997 16:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Does anyone know when Zorn will be playing in New York soon - or have some sort of schedule for the summer? Thanks - liz *Make no promises to me in truth or in lies.* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ssmith@knittingfactory.com (Steve Smith) Subject: Re: Date: 07 Jul 1997 16:34:14 -0400 >Does anyone know when Zorn will be playing in New York soon - or have some >sort of schedule for the summer? >Thanks - liz Zorn plays with the Ken Butler Trio on the second day of the Tzadik Fest at the Knitting Factory on July 26. Ken is a New York musical instrument creator and musician... anyone who's visited the Knitting Factory has seen his incredible looking creations hanging in the Front Bar and may not have know they were all playable. The next Masada run here will be September 25-27. And of course he's always filling in the random holes in our schedule... Steve Smith ssmith@knittingfactory.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SlightAche@aol.com Subject: Zorn Improv 7/7/97 Date: 07 Jul 1997 17:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Did anyone catch the name of the koto player in Zorn's improv show last night? If anyone else was there, am I alone in thinking the Zorn/Coleman duo in the 2nd set was *the bomb*? Yours, PWK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Benton Subject: Re: Zorn Improv 7/7/97 Date: 08 Jul 1997 13:08:26 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 7 Jul 1997 SlightAche@aol.com wrote: > Did anyone catch the name of the koto player in Zorn's improv show last > night? Well, I wasn't there but I would be willing to venture a guess that it was Miya Masaoka. An incredible musician from out in the SF Bay Area. This sort of cues into a forthcoming Tzadik release I'm mucho excited about: Ben Goldberg - 'Twelve Minor' Ben Goldberg - clarinets; Miya Masaoka - koto; India Cooke - violin; Rob Sudduth - tenor sax; Trevor Dunn - bass; Kenny Wollesen - drums. I've heard it roughly explained as "a New Klezmer Trio concept expanded for sextet." Anyone heard any more about this one? Sounds like a blast (admittedly, the koto might seem an odd instrument to inject into a klezmer record, but I've been listening a lot to some early, pre-klez Jewish instrumental music lately and after hearing their use of the dulcimer I can definetly hear it working...). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Howard Shih Subject: Re: Zorn Improv 7/7/97 Date: 08 Jul 1997 14:11:12 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 7 Jul 1997 SlightAche@aol.com wrote: > If anyone else was there, am I alone in thinking the Zorn/Coleman duo in the > 2nd set was *the bomb*? Could you provide us with some more details about the concert? We'll just close our eyes and imagine... Howard Shih howards@m4dd.com Programmer/Analyst Meta 4 Digital Design Phone: 201-597-1720 Ext. 242 FAX: 201-597-1730 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Kobielusz" Subject: Critters Buggin Date: 08 Jul 1997 15:22:15 -0600 Has anyone else heard this group? I've been off this list the last few months, so I'm not sure if they've been discussed - didn't see anything about them in the archives. I caught their show in Denver in April and I'll boldly say it ranked right up there with the best of them. I'd recommend both of their cds to anyone on this list. Can anyone give me more info on the band members? especially the sax player (who during the show played some of the meanest funk grooves on the keyboard that I've ever heard). I know he's sat in with Mad Season, but is he on any other recordings? TIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: Re: Critters Buggin Date: 08 Jul 1997 14:44:32 -0700 (PDT) >Has anyone else heard this group? I've been off this list the last few >months, so I'm >not sure if they've been discussed - didn't see anything about them in the >archives. I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but they're not exactly relevant to the charter of the zorn-list, so that's probably why Critters Buggin haven't been discussed. mike - playing zorn-list cop without a uniform "Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Critters Buggin Date: 08 Jul 1997 17:01:07 -0700 On Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:44:32 -0700 (PDT) m. rizzi wrote: > > >Has anyone else heard this group? I've been off this list the last few > >months, so I'm > >not sure if they've been discussed - didn't see anything about them in the > >archives. > > I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, > but they're not exactly relevant to the > charter of the zorn-list, so that's probably > why Critters Buggin haven't been discussed. That's strange you say that Mike, because I am ready to bet that Skerik is the closest sax player to Zorn. In fact, with Sadhappy (the group he played in before), I could swear it was Zorn. Also Sadhappy had Bill Frisell as a guest. Skerik has played a lot with Wayne Horvitz and Eyvind Kang. And to tell you the truth, Critter Buggin's music is as much at its place on this list that any other "rock" projects from Avant/DIW/Tzadik. In fact, I see only one reason why not talking about him/them on the list: they have no record yet on Tzadik or Avant :-). Where you saying that because you had some bad experience with them? Patrice. PS: I forgot, Skerik plays on the amazing Mark Eitzel solo (and there is also some connection there :-). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m. rizzi" Subject: Re: Critters Buggin Date: 08 Jul 1997 17:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Patrice L. Roussel, demi-God and Icon sez: > >That's strange you say that Mike, because I am ready to bet that Skerik is >the closest sax player to Zorn. In fact, with Sadhappy (the group he played >in before), I could swear it was Zorn. Also Sadhappy had Bill Frisell as >a guest. Skerik has played a lot with Wayne Horvitz and Eyvind Kang. And >to tell you the truth, Critter Buggin's music is as much at its place >on this list that any other "rock" projects from Avant/DIW/Tzadik. In >fact, I see only one reason why not talking about him/them on the list: >they have no record yet on Tzadik or Avant :-). Hmmm, I didn't know that. Even though it's a bit tenuous, I stand corrected. I await my wet noodle lashing in the alley. >Where you saying that because you had some bad experience with them? nah...my only experience is via adverts in the indie-rock press. And I don't think badly designed ads count. :) cheers, mike "Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: douglas Date: 08 Jul 1997 20:45:07 -0400 The new Knitting Factory schedule has Dave Douglas Sanctuary and Sean Lennon playing on August 12. It notes that the "concert marks the release of the double cd 'Sanctuary" on Avant. The band includes Douglas, Cuong Vu, Anthony Coleman, Mark Dresser, Chris Speed, et al. Also, Sean Lennon "begins each show with a short set of new songs." Well, does anyone have any info on the Douglas release, which is "extended piece of eight electro-acoustic" improvisations, and why Lennon would be opening for him? Alan Kayser aek1@erols.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Critters Buggin Date: 08 Jul 1997 19:19:25 -0700 On Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:22:15 -0600 "Kevin Kobielusz" wrote: > > Has anyone else heard this group? I've been off this list the last few > months, so I'm > not sure if they've been discussed - didn't see anything about them in the > archives. > I caught their show in Denver in April and I'll boldly say it ranked right > up there with the > best of them. I'd recommend both of their cds to anyone on this list. Can > anyone > give me more info on the band members? especially the sax player (who > during the show played some of the meanest funk grooves on the keyboard > that I've ever heard). > I know he's sat in with Mad Season, but is he on any other recordings? TIA The sax player is Skerik, a very exciting young musician from Seattle. He used to play in the band Sadhappy up to 1995, I believe (there are at least three CDs of the band with him). After that, he joined (founded?) Critters Buggin, which is a rock band with an interesting experimental edge. Being in Seattle, he has played a lot with Wayne Horvitz, Eyvind Kang and also Bill Frisell. There was even at one time a Previte/Horvitz/Skerik noisy trio that unfortunately never got recorded. Recently, he got some more visible job by joining Tuatara, the all-star band with Peter Buck (REM) and members of Screaming Trees, Young Fresh Fellows, and Luna. You can also hear him on the last (and wonderful) Mark Eitzel record. There is a good compilation from Seattle with Skerik all over: *** - COMPLICATION ONE: COLLECTED SOUNDS FROM THE NORTHWEST: various artists 1996 - Endless Records (USA), ER 000 (CD) Patrice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JoeSick@aol.com Subject: Re: Critters Buggin Date: 09 Jul 1997 13:36:38 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-07-09 11:41:43 EDT, you write: More info on Critters. The drummer Matt Chamberlin is the former drummer of Eddie Brickel and the new Bohemians as well as playing with Perl Jam, Fiona Apple and many other solo sessions. John Bush and Brad Houser as well are former members The New Bohemians. Shawn Smith the man who does vocals on Naked Truth is the vocalist for the bands Satchel and Brad they both play kind of a white heavy blues soul. Basically these guys turn up on alot of the solo work of North West musicans. Carne also appears on the Mad Season album and video. Joe Sick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Kobielusz" Subject: Re Critters Buggin Date: 09 Jul 1997 14:47:50 -0600 On Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:19:34 -0500 Patrice wrote: >The sax player is Skerik, a very exciting young musician from Seattle. >He used to play in the band Sadhappy up to 1995, I believe (there are at >least three CDs of the band with him). After that, he joined (founded?) >Critters Buggin, which is a rock band with an interesting experimental edge. On Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:42:18 -0500 Joe Sick wrote: > Carne also appears on the Mad Season album and video. First of all, thanks for the great info! I have more albums to chase down now. Three cheers for Patrice - where would this list be without ya. Does anyone know this guys real name? When I talked to him before the show in Denver he introduced himself as Derek (or was it Deric?). - Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Benton Subject: Dave Douglas' Sanctuary Date: 09 Jul 1997 18:17:11 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, ALAN E. KAYSER wrote: > The new Knitting Factory schedule has Dave Douglas Sanctuary and Sean > Lennon playing on August 12. It notes that the "concert marks the > release of the double cd 'Sanctuary" on Avant. The band includes > Douglas, Cuong Vu, Anthony Coleman, Mark Dresser, Chris Speed, et al. > Also, Sean Lennon "begins each show with a short set of new songs." > Well, does anyone have any info on the Douglas release, which is > "extended piece of eight electro-acoustic" improvisations, and why > Lennon would be opening for him? Well, Sanctuary is a very interesting project, I've heard one performance of the group, with the same instrumentation as should be at this upcoming gig. It's a really intense mix of free improv from some (or all) players while other might or might not be setting up somewhat defined backgrounds. For instance, I can recall one portion with both trumpets wailing and bouncing off each other, while the sampler(s) and drums layed down this hiphop groove. With everyone else fitting in somewhere also. Of course, it segued out of that reasonably quickly, but I'll say that the accompanyment for that portion seemed reasonably arranged. I've read an interview where he mentions that it's in the spirit of 'Free Jazz' and 'Ascension', I can definetly see the connection. Sorry I'm not yielding any more information, I'm finding this a very odd thing to put into words. I can also say that it's two long pieces, I imagine he'll perform one per set (and one per CD). I've only heard one of them (from last years 'What Is Jazz?' fest). So there's that. Hope this is somewhat useful to you. Later on all... -Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: max Subject: Brain Date: 10 Jul 1997 11:38:53 -0400 Greetings, I'm relatively new to the list, but already have learned quite a bit about Zorn-related projects from your various posts. The Shreik info was interesting and I have another similar question. I am reviewing the new Primus cd for the weekly alternative paper that I work for. Their new drummer is Brain, who believe played on at least on Praxis album (more than one?). Does anyone have other cd's he has played on, especially Zorn stuff? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Max ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn Improv 7/7/97 Date: 10 Jul 1997 01:38:29 -0400 (EDT) I also didnt catch the name of the didjeridu(sp) player. I really liked the Zorn/ Chris Speed duo, and the one with Ikue Mori, Anthony Coleman and Chris Speed. If you werent there, the other players were Mark Dresser, Kato Hideki, Cyro Baptista, and the koto and didjeridu player. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wesley@interaccess.com" Subject: Re: Brain Date: 10 Jul 1997 13:34:30 -0500 (CDT) > Primus cd for the weekly alternative paper that I work for. Their new > drummer is Brain, who believe played on at least on Praxis album (more > than one?). Does anyone have other cd's he has played on, especially > Zorn stuff? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Brain plays on : Praxis - _Transmutation_ Praxis - _Metatron_ Limbomaniacs - _Stinky Grooves_ Various Artists - _A.P.C. Tracks Volume 2_ all of which are produced by Bill Laswell and none of which feature John Zorn. There might be more, but I'd have to think about it for awhiles. Out 2 Lunch With Lunchmeat, Paul wesley@interaccess.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Terwilliger Subject: Re: Brain Date: 10 Jul 1997 15:02:15 -0400 > > Primus cd for the weekly alternative paper that I work for. Their new > > drummer is Brain, who believe played on at least on Praxis album (more > > than one?). Does anyone have other cd's he has played on, especially > > Zorn stuff? Any info would be greatly appreciated. > This is what I've got: APC Tracks 1996 Vol 2. Axiom Funk 1995 Funkronomicon Giant Robot 1996 Giant Robot Hassell and Bluescreen 1994 Dressing For Pleasure Limbomaniacs 1990 Stimky Grooves M.I.R.V. 1994 Cosmodrome Praxis 1992 Transmutation (Mutatis Mutandis) Praxis 1994 Metaron Valis 2 1997 Everything Must Go Various Artists 1993 Manifestation : Axiom Collection II -Sean ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Weil Subject: Re: Brain Date: 10 Jul 1997 14:25:29 -0500 (EST) I believe that Brain played drums on the latest Godflesh album Songs of Love and Hate. If not that then he toured with Godflesh a couple of years ago. jw ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Critters Buggin Date: 10 Jul 1997 16:43:50 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 9 Jul 1997 JoeSick@aol.com wrote: > More info on Critters. The drummer Matt Chamberlin is the former drummer of > Eddie Brickel and the new Bohemians as well as playing with Perl Jam,Fiona ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ > Apple and many other solo sessions. John Bush and Brad Houser as well are ^^^^^ > former members The New Bohemians. Shawn Smith the man who does vocals on > Naked Truth is the vocalist for the bands Satchel and Brad they both play > kind of a white heavy blues soul. Basically these guys turn up on alot of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > the solo work of North West musicans. > Carne also appears on the Mad Season album and video. ^^^^^^^^^^ Erm, maybe this explains why they hadn't come up before? We're not gonna have to start doing threads on Soundgarden, are we? :^) Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rladew@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew) Subject: Bill Frisell in boston Date: 10 Jul 1997 18:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Greetings to all: For general info, Bill frisell played in Boston at a small (approx150+) club called Johnny D's on Monday July 7. I was really excited for the gig and it was great. This show featured Frisell's Quartet lineup from last year's nonesuch recording (Curtis Fowlkes, Eyvind Kang, Ron Miles). Many tunes from this recording were prominent (Tales from the far side, Stand Up, Sit Down), and a stunningly beautiful rendition of the cd's 6th track Egg radio. Ron Miles' subtle trumpet melody interweaving with Frisell's solid, yet spaced out chords always gets to me on that piece. Kang's rhythmic violin parts were incredible. He used two bows, one when he seemed to be accentuating and playing melodies, and one to just go nuts with (this one was really shredded with hair strings flying out everywhere). The quartet played 2 sets, each about an hour. Frisell graciously introduced everyone in the band, and from that point on, there was almost nothing but music. Towards the end of the second set, Frisell reintroduced the band and joked with the audience. After the first encore, for example, Ron Miles walked throught the crowd to go to the bathroom, as the crowd gave the quartet vast applause warranting the second encore. When Miles returned, Fowlkes and Frisell were chuckling, and Frisell explained to the crowd that Curtis was a harsh man, telling him something to the extent of "Fuck it, we're the Bill Frisell trio now!!!" Anyway, thought the group might be interested. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: Re: Bill Frisell in boston Date: 10 Jul 1997 19:34:02 -0400 Rich Ladew wrote: > Greetings to all: > > For general info, Bill frisell played in Boston at a small > (approx150+) club > called Johnny D's on Monday July 7. I was really excited for the gig > and it > was great. This show featured Frisell's Quartet lineup from last > year's > nonesuch recording (Curtis Fowlkes, Eyvind Kang, Ron Miles). Many > tunes > from this recording were prominent (Tales from the far side, Stand Up, > Sit > Down), and a stunningly beautiful rendition of the cd's 6th track Egg > radio. > Ron Miles' subtle trumpet melody interweaving with Frisell's solid, > yet > spaced out chords always gets to me on that piece. > Kang's rhythmic violin parts were incredible. He used two > bows, one > when he seemed to be accentuating and playing melodies, and one to > just go > nuts with (this one was really shredded with hair strings flying out > everywhere). > The quartet played 2 sets, each about an hour. Frisell > graciously > introduced everyone in the band, and from that point on, there was > almost > nothing but music. Towards the end of the second set, Frisell > reintroduced > the band and joked with the audience. After the first encore, for > example, > Ron Miles walked throught the crowd to go to the bathroom, as the > crowd gave > the quartet vast applause warranting the second encore. When Miles > returned, Fowlkes and Frisell were chuckling, and Frisell explained to > the > crowd that Curtis was a harsh man, telling him something to the extent > of > "Fuck it, we're the Bill Frisell trio now!!!" > Anyway, thought the group might be interested. Thanks for the information on the Frisell program. This should remind us all that jazz is meant to be heard live. Recently, here in Philadelphia, I've had a chance to hear Ralph Peterson's Fo'Tet play Monk and Don Byron's Bug Music. In each case the live experience added much needed spirit to the music. Byron's personality was infectious, and his short introduction to each tune was a pleasure to hear. Peterson's energy as a drummer must be experienced LIVE. BTW, Marc Ribot's terrific new Los Cubanos Postitos, featuring Marc, Brad Jones bass, EJ and Bobby Rodriguez percussion played here...full of Cuban fire! Alan Kayser aek1@erols.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wesley@interaccess.com" Subject: Re: Brain Date: 10 Jul 1997 18:55:52 -0500 (CDT) Well, at least I only missed spotting Brain on one CD that I actually own. The track he plays on from the Axiom Funk album is originaly from the first Praxis CD. Also, since he plays as part of Praxis on the live track from _Valis II_ I would not be at all suprised is he is also the drummer on the live Praxis album which has yet to reach US shores. Thanks for the list, Paul wesley@interaccess.com > APC Tracks 1996 Vol 2. > Axiom Funk 1995 Funkronomicon > Giant Robot 1996 Giant Robot > Hassell and Bluescreen 1994 Dressing For Pleasure > Limbomaniacs 1990 Stimky Grooves > M.I.R.V. 1994 Cosmodrome > Praxis 1992 Transmutation (Mutatis Mutandis) > Praxis 1994 Metaron > Valis 2 1997 Everything Must Go > Various Artists 1993 Manifestation : Axiom Collection II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wesley@interaccess.com" Subject: Godflesh (was Re: Brain) Date: 10 Jul 1997 19:04:27 -0500 (CDT) > I believe that Brain played drums on the latest Godflesh album > Songs of Love and Hate. If not that then he toured with Godflesh > a couple of years ago. Good eyes! Indeed, Brain plays on both _Songs Of Love And Hate_ as well as the brand new remix album _Love And Hate In Dub_ all of which makes me feel like a bit of a fool since _Love And HAte In Dub_ has been kicking my ass for the last few weeks. Some truly awesome remixes that I like much better then the album from which they came. Out 2 Lunch With Lunchmeat, Paul wesley@interaccess.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Brain Date: 10 Jul 1997 20:07:46 -0700 At 06:55 PM 7/10/97 -0500, wesley@interaccess.com wrote: > >Well, at least I only missed spotting Brain on one CD that I actually own. >The track he plays on from the Axiom Funk album is originaly from the >first Praxis CD. Also, since he plays as part of Praxis on the live track >from _Valis II_ I would not be at all suprised is he is also the drummer >on the live Praxis album which has yet to reach US shores. He is the drummer on the live Praxis CD. He is now spending most of his time with Primus. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJOERN Subject: Re: Playing Cards left Date: 11 Jul 1997 11:01:58 +0200 (MESZ) didnt he play on some tracks of tom wait`s "bone machine"????? i guess he did....and les claypool BJOERN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Brad Shoeppach and the Commuters Date: 11 Jul 1997 17:14:17 -0400 (EDT) I saw guitarist Brad Shepik (he spells his name phonetically now it seems..) and his band last night at the Gershwin Hotel, on E. 27th St in manhattan. The band features Skuli Sverrisson on bass, Mike Sarin on drums, Peter Epstien on sax, and a dumbek/ percussionist whos name I forget. It was a nice night, so they decided to play on the roof of the hotel. There were only about ten people there to see them, and a few hotel guests who wandered up. Anyways, I thought this band was great, and would recommend checking them out. In the late set, Brad played an electric six string saz, an instrument I believe of Turkish origin. Alot of their stuff had a Middle Eastern/ Baltic flavor to it. They will be there every Thursday this month. I think most people may know Brad from Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell trio, and he is definitely worth checking out. Jody ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Critters Buggin Date: 11 Jul 1997 17:38:43 -0400 (EDT) I've only heard a few live recordings of Critters Buggin' and I thought they were great! They had members of Wayne Horvitz' Pigpen sitting in. What exactly is the charter for this list?? I think they are more closely linked, by sound and by personnel, to Zorn than Soundgarden, for sure. They have also played the Knitting Factory, so there's your "downtown NYC" connection ;-) Jody ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU Subject: Filmworks III Date: 11 Jul 1997 16:58:01 -0600 (CST) If anyone has Filmworks III, they can tell me if the Cynical Hysterie material is all that will be released, or if a full release will come. Dominique ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ak515@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Polak) Subject: Re: Filmworks III Date: 11 Jul 1997 19:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Reply to message from y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU of Fri, 11 Jul > >If anyone has Filmworks III, they can tell me if the Cynical Hysterie >material is all that will be released, or if a full release will come. > > The liner notes by Zorn say he has unsuccessfully tried to buy the rights to the long out of print CBS / Sony CD but they refuse to sell them to him at any price. -- "Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined." - S.G. "I had a great idea this morning, but I didn't like it." - S.G. "I excercise extreme self control, I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast" - W.C. Fields ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Kobielusz" Subject: Re: Bill Frisell in boston Date: 11 Jul 1997 18:24:43 -0600 On Thursday, July 10, 1997 4:45 PM Rich Ladew wrote: > For general info, Bill frisell played in Boston at a small (approx150+) club > called Johnny D's on Monday July 7. I was really excited for the gig and it > was great. This show featured Frisell's Quartet lineup from last year's > nonesuch recording (Curtis Fowlkes, Eyvind Kang, Ron Miles). Many tunes > from this recording were prominent (Tales from the far side, Stand Up, Sit > Down), and a stunningly beautiful rendition of the cd's 6th track Egg radio. > Ron Miles' subtle trumpet melody interweaving with Frisell's solid, yet > spaced out chords always gets to me on that piece. Wish I coulda been there. Frisell and Ron Miles' playing compliment each other perfectly. Ron also has a new release out on Grammavision (GCD 79516) featuring Frisell along with Ron's Denver based trio (I believe this trio has played the Knitting Factory) Ron is an extraordinary musician and human being. I remember going to see one of Ron's groups a few years ago in Boulder. They played in this tiny basement of some coffee house. To say the least it was LOUD! What Spy vs Spy did to Ornette tunes this group did to Prince tunes. If anyone on this list is from Denver, go hear him play. The Denver community is tremendously lucky to have such a class act. cheers, Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wesley@interaccess.com" Subject: Re: Bill Frisell in boston Date: 11 Jul 1997 19:53:42 -0500 (CDT) On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Kevin Kobielusz wrote: > I remember going to see one of Ron's groups a few years ago > in Boulder. They played in this tiny basement of some coffee house. To > say the least it was LOUD! What Spy vs Spy did to Ornette tunes this group > did to Prince tunes. Oh lord, has any of this appeared on tape or disc anywhere? I would be VERY interested in hearing Prince's music interpreted by Miles and his group... Out 2 Lunch With Lunchmeat, Paul wesley@interaccess.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw Subject: Re: Filmworks III Date: 11 Jul 1997 22:16:04 -0500 (CDT) On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, David Polak wrote: > Reply to message from y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU of Fri, 11 Jul > > > >If anyone has Filmworks III, they can tell me if the Cynical Hysterie > >material is all that will be released, or if a full release will come. > > > > > The liner notes by Zorn say he has unsuccessfully tried to buy the rights > to the long out of print CBS / Sony CD but they refuse to sell them to him > at any price. Then why does the Tzadik catalog (1997) have it listed as an upcoming release under the "Archival Series"? cya brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wesley@interaccess.com" Subject: Re: Filmworks III Date: 11 Jul 1997 23:37:44 -0500 (CDT) > > The liner notes by Zorn say he has unsuccessfully tried to buy the rights > > to the long out of print CBS / Sony CD but they refuse to sell them to him > > at any price. > > Then why does the Tzadik catalog (1997) have it listed as an upcoming > release under the "Archival Series"? Apparently Sony Japan finally responded to his repeated requests to purchase back the rights to the material. This occasionaly happens when a huge, multinational record company (i.e. Sony) realizes that a particular recording will probably never sell a bazillion copies and that they are probably lucky to get anything for it at all. Zorn should consider himself lucky - the other, infinately more popular option is for the record company to deny all requests to use the material and simply let it go unheard for years, decades, millenia, etc. This is essentially why most prolific avant-garde artists have a bunch of albums that are considered classic yet are not available on CD (take Ornette Coleman, whose Caravan of Dreams album _In All Languages_ was out of print for many years up until, well, two weeks ago). Out 2 Lunch With Lunchmeat, Paul wesley@interaccess.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ak515@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Polak) Subject: Re: Filmworks III Date: 12 Jul 1997 05:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Reply to message from beuchaw@enteract.com of Fri, 11 Jul > >Then why does the Tzadik catalog (1997) have it listed as an upcoming >release under the "Archival Series"? > Beats me. Here is a direct quotr from the liner notes: "...and can be heard more fully fleshed out in the CBS SONY CD that has been a collectors item since it was first issued (and dropped out of print a week later) in Japan 1989. I've tried several times to no avail to liscence or even BUY the tapes back from these robber barons - but they won't even answer my phone calls. I guess this music isn't even worth the ten yen for a phone call." Maybe the robber barons changed their minds and sold Zorn the tapes. -- "Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined." - S.G. "I had a great idea this morning, but I didn't like it." - S.G. "I excercise extreme self control, I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast" - W.C. Fields ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Filmworks III Date: 12 Jul 1997 09:19:35 -0700 On Fri, 11 Jul 1997 19:55:49 -0400 (EDT) David Polak wrote: > > Reply to message from y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU of Fri, 11 Jul > > > >If anyone has Filmworks III, they can tell me if the Cynical Hysterie > >material is all that will be released, or if a full release will come. > > > > > The liner notes by Zorn say he has unsuccessfully tried to buy the rights > to the long out of print CBS / Sony CD but they refuse to sell them to him > at any price. If I remember well, they did not even answer his many requests! Patrice. > > > -- > "Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined." - S.G. > "I had a great idea this morning, but I didn't like it." - S.G. > "I excercise extreme self control, I never drink anything stronger than > gin before breakfast" - W.C. Fields > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Filmworks III Date: 12 Jul 1997 09:29:12 -0700 On Fri, 11 Jul 1997 23:37:44 -0500 (CDT) "wesley@interaccess.com" wrote: > > > > > The liner notes by Zorn say he has unsuccessfully tried to buy the rights > > > to the long out of print CBS / Sony CD but they refuse to sell them to hi m > > > at any price. > > > > Then why does the Tzadik catalog (1997) have it listed as an upcoming > > release under the "Archival Series"? > > Apparently Sony Japan finally responded to his repeated requests to > purchase back the rights to the material. This occasionaly happens when a > huge, multinational record company (i.e. Sony) realizes that a particular > recording will probably never sell a bazillion copies and that they are > probably lucky to get anything for it at all. > > Zorn should consider himself lucky - the other, infinately more popular > option is for the record company to deny all requests to use the material > and simply let it go unheard for years, decades, millenia, etc. This is > essentially why most prolific avant-garde artists have a bunch of albums > that are considered classic yet are not available on CD (take Ornette > Coleman, whose Caravan of Dreams album _In All Languages_ was out of print > for many years up until, well, two weeks ago). Can't the breach of contract be used in such cases? Zorn would have no problem with us to testify that Sony did nothing to promote his music. Let's face it, if I don't have a copy of it, something is definitely wrong :-). Patrice. > > Out 2 Lunch With Lunchmeat, > > Paul > wesley@interaccess.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WINRECORDS@aol.com Subject: Filmworks VII / Cynical Hysterie Date: 12 Jul 1997 14:38:22 -0400 (EDT) >Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 19:55:49 -0400 (EDT) >From: ak515@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Polak) >Subject: Re: Filmworks III >Reply to message from y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU of Fri, 11 Jul > >If anyone has Filmworks III, they can tell me if the Cynical Hysterie >material is all that will be released, or if a full release will come. #### >The liner notes by Zorn say he has unsuccessfully tried to buy the rights >to the long out of print CBS / Sony CD but they refuse to sell them to him >at any price. #### I guess i'm confused as well. I was also under the impression that Zorn has had no luck in securing the rights. However, in the last digest, I noticed this post about "FILMWORKS VII" upcoming on Tzadik. So, perhaps it's all been sorted out??? Will this be the entire program, as was previously released in Japan? >John Zorn Filmworks VII Tz 7315 >Cynical Hysterie Hour >The holy grail of Zornothologists is finally available in a newly > remastered definitive edition. Released in Japan for only a few short >months in 1990, this is the original music Zorn created for a series of >four shorts by one of Japan's most endearing cartoonists : Kiriko Kubo. >A long time champion of Warner Bros. cartoon composer Carl Stalling Zorn >considers this to be his finest and most personal take on cartoon music >to date, a genre that has influenced him deeply. >The all-star band includes Bill Frisell *, Marc Ribot, Arto Lindsay, >Robert quine, Wayne Horvitz, Bobby Previte and Cyro Baptista. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Filmworks III Date: 12 Jul 1997 13:41:25 -0700 At 09:29 AM 7/12/97 -0700, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: >> Zorn should consider himself lucky - the other, infinately more popular >> option is for the record company to deny all requests to use the material >> and simply let it go unheard for years, decades, millenia, etc. This is >> essentially why most prolific avant-garde artists have a bunch of albums >> that are considered classic yet are not available on CD (take Ornette >> Coleman, whose Caravan of Dreams album _In All Languages_ was out of print >> for many years up until, well, two weeks ago). > >Can't the breach of contract be used in such cases? Zorn would have no >problem with us to testify that Sony did nothing to promote his music. Breach of contract can only be an issue if there was a contract that specified what type of promotion would be used. But more importantly, _Cynical Hysterie Hour_ did sell out - there was no factory stock on it at all when I obtained a copy from someone in Japan with connections at Sony. It was sold as the soundtrack to a cartoon, not as a John Zorn recording, so I doubt that Zorn had any promotional commitments from Sony on it. And what was pressed probably sold to children who watched the show. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Filmworks III Date: 12 Jul 1997 18:05:00 -0700 On Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:41:25 -0700 Jeff Spirer wrote: > > At 09:29 AM 7/12/97 -0700, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > >> Zorn should consider himself lucky - the other, infinately more popular > >> option is for the record company to deny all requests to use the material > >> and simply let it go unheard for years, decades, millenia, etc. This is > >> essentially why most prolific avant-garde artists have a bunch of albums > >> that are considered classic yet are not available on CD (take Ornette > >> Coleman, whose Caravan of Dreams album _In All Languages_ was out of print > >> for many years up until, well, two weeks ago). > > > >Can't the breach of contract be used in such cases? Zorn would have no > >problem with us to testify that Sony did nothing to promote his music. > > Breach of contract can only be an issue if there was a contract that > specified what type of promotion would be used. > > But more importantly, _Cynical Hysterie Hour_ did sell out - there was no > factory stock on it at all when I obtained a copy from someone in Japan > with connections at Sony. It was sold as the soundtrack to a cartoon, not > as a John Zorn recording, so I doubt that Zorn had any promotional > commitments from Sony on it. And what was pressed probably sold to > children who watched the show. That's a very good point. I keep on forgetting the origin of this record. I also remember that somebody was successful in finding the video-CD of the cartoon. Patrice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Boton Subject: live in Cina? Date: 13 Jul 1997 16:17:27 +0200 Anybody could tell me something on "Live in Cina"? thank you Stefano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc A. Foster" Subject: Filmworks VII/ Cynical Hysterie Date: 13 Jul 1997 11:14:33 -0400 I just saw a listing for "FIMWORKS VII CYNICAL HYSTERIE" to be released = August 19 at www.cdnow.com. Duras: Duchamp and Filmworks 1986-1990 are = also listed for release on that date. I was under the impression that = Filmworks VII and Cynical Hysterie would be two different releases, but = CDNow seems to think that they are the same. Does anyone know about = this? Marc Foster ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Those wicked, wicked record companies Date: 13 Jul 1997 12:18:53 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, wesley@interaccess.com wrote: > Zorn should consider himself lucky - the other, infinately more popular > option is for the record company to deny all requests to use the material > and simply let it go unheard for years, decades, millenia, etc. This is > essentially why most prolific avant-garde artists have a bunch of albums > that are considered classic yet are not available on CD (take Ornette > Coleman, whose Caravan of Dreams album _In All Languages_ was out of print > for many years up until, well, two weeks ago). The point is well taken, but I'm not sure that this is an accurate description of what happened in this particular case. Caravan of Dreams was a tiny, Texas-based indie label which stopped making records entirely shortly after _In All Languages_ was released. Ornette himself presumably wasn't in a position to get this material released until his recent deal with Verve, and I doubt anyone else has tried. But we can blame Columbia for the long absence of _Skies of America_. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wesley@interaccess.com" Subject: Tzadik/Avant American Release Dates (was: Filmworks VII/Cynical Hysterie) Date: 13 Jul 1997 11:35:02 -0500 (CDT) On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, Marc A. Foster wrote: > I just saw a listing for "FIMWORKS VII CYNICAL HYSTERIE" to be released August 19 at > www.cdnow.com. Duras: Duchamp and Filmworks 1986-1990 are also listed for release on > that date. I was under the impression that Filmworks VII and Cynical Hysterie would be > two different releases, but CDNow seems to think that they are the same. > Does anyone know about this? Yes, they are indeed one and the same. Just in case anyone was wondering, here's the latest batch of Tzadik and Avant release dates in America : Tzadik David Slusser - _Delight At The End Of The Tunnel_ - 8/19 Nana Vasconcelos - _Fragments : Modern Tradition_ - 8/19 Yasunao Tone - _Solo For The Wounded_ - 8/19 John Zorn - _Duras : Duchamp_ - 8/19 John Zorn - _Filmwoks : 1986-1990_ - 8/19 John Zorn - _Filmworks VII : Cynical Hysterie Hour_ - 8/19 Avant Bill Brovold - _Larval_ - 7/15 Cake Like - _Delicious_ - 7/15 Zeena Parkins - _Isabelle_ - 7/15 Wedding Bands From Rajasthan - _Disco Bhangra_ - 7/15_ Cyro Baptista - _Vila Lobos Vila Loucos_ - 8/19 Dave Douglas - _Sanctuary_ - 8/19 Andy Hass - _Arnhem Land_ - 8/19 George E. Lewis - _Voyager_ - 8/19 Out 2 Lunch With Lunchmeat, Paul wesley@interaccess.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juha Laine" Subject: zorn/galas? Date: 13 Jul 1997 06:44:30 PDT hello... just one question: does anyone know if zorn's ever done any projects/recordings with diamanda galas? thanks, laine. _______________________________________________________ Get Private Web-Based Email Free http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike burma Subject: RE: zorn/galas? Date: 13 Jul 1997 11:37:46 -0700 >hello... just one question: does anyone know if zorn's ever done any >projects/recordings with diamanda galas? Once. She did vocals on 'Metamorphosi' from the Big Gundown LP/CD on Nonesuch...that was in 1986. mike rizzi rizzi@netcom.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Lambert Subject: torture garden Date: 13 Jul 1997 14:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Is the person who posted once about trading Masada for Torture Garden still interested? Email me directly the details. I just saw a copy of the Japanese import version in a local cd shop. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: Re: Tzadik/Avant American Release Dates (was: Filmworks VII/Cynical Hysterie) Date: 13 Jul 1997 12:22:03 -0700 (PDT) wesley@interaccess.com, demi-God and Icon sez: > >here's the latest batch of Tzadik and Avant release dates in America : > >Avant > >Cake Like - _Delicious_ - 7/15 >Zeena Parkins - _Isabelle_ - 7/15 >Wedding Bands From Rajasthan - _Disco Bhangra_ - 7/15_ Hmmm...I've had these for over a year. Are you sure about this list, or are these repressings? mike "Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=- http://www.meer.net/~browbeat/ ------ browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 --------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis summers Subject: This New Generation Date: 13 Jul 1997 13:41:28 -0600 Hi Patrice, I do have vinyl copies of both This New Generation and Dinner at Eight. I believe that there is some track difference between those two. I don't have the LP of The President although I do have the CD. I'm not sure what information you need, so if I have something in all this, ask me a question I can answer. yours --dennis ***Quantum Dance Works*** ****http://ic.net/~denniss**** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wesley@interaccess.com" Subject: Re: Tzadik/Avant American Release Dates (was: Filmworks VII/Cynical Hysterie) Date: 13 Jul 1997 17:17:12 -0500 (CDT) On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, m. rizzi wrote: > >Cake Like - _Delicious_ - 7/15 > >Zeena Parkins - _Isabelle_ - 7/15 > >Wedding Bands From Rajasthan - _Disco Bhangra_ - 7/15_ > > Hmmm...I've had these for over a year. > Are you sure about this list, or are > these repressings? These are the newest releases for Avant under their 4 month old Koch distribution agreement. Every month Koch picks up distribution in the USA for 4 titles, basically whatever is fairly new and then fills in the remainder with old catalog titles. So next month, for example, we get three new ones and _Voyager_ to make four. After next month, the total number of titles you can get from Koch will be up to 24. Any reviews on the Cake Like CD? Out 2 Lunch With Lunchmeat (and sorry for the confusion), Paul wesley@interaccess.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cfinkle@YorkU.CA Subject: Tzadik Website Up Date: 13 Jul 1997 20:37:52 +0000 Hi, I haven't seen a post for the this so I'm posting this. I checked on www.tzadik.com and it worked. It is created by the people the at the knit. It's not fully up, there is a section for Zorn called "Zorn's corner" and "Zorn's top 10", but they're not up yet. I apologize if you already know. Jeremy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wesley@interaccess.com" Subject: Re: Filmworks III Date: 13 Jul 1997 20:28:41 -0500 (CDT) > Can't the breach of contract be used in such cases? Zorn would have no > problem with us to testify that Sony did nothing to promote his music. > > Let's face it, if I don't have a copy of it, something is definitely wrong :-). Jeff summed it up really well, but here's a couple of lines from the excellent book _Tim Sweeny's Guide To Releasing Independent Records_ to remember the next time we get frustrated as to why a big label isn't doing a damn thing to promote the music we love : "...Which brings up a very, very important point : record labels, especially big ones, are very often not concerned about the fate of individual bands. Their main concern is that they sell enough records each year to make a tidy profit. They don't particularly care if you are one of the bands that are making those records. To put it another way : It is not safe to assume that your record label will do what's in your best interest." Seeing how quickly it went out of print, I would assume that Cynical Hysterie Hour was a fairly low priority for Sony. George Michael fought sony in court using the same "no promotion" argument and lost. "Dolla Dolla bills, y'all" Paul wesley@interaccess.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MrBungL26@aol.com Subject: the boredoms Date: 11 Jul 1997 02:29:35 -0400 (EDT) does anyone know the complete line-up for this band? i know eye is in it but who else? thanks in advance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wlt4@aol.com Subject: Cake Like Date: 14 Jul 1997 00:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Since their Avant album is apparently becoming available again, thought i'd point out that their new one, "Bruiser Queen," came out on Neil Young's Vapor Records a couple of months ago. I didn't like it as much as the first. Also one of the members is on Comedy Central's "Viva Variety." Lang Thompson http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: a rancid amoeba Subject: Re: Filmworks III Date: 14 Jul 1997 08:14:28 -0700 (PDT) > Jeff summed it up really well, but here's a couple of lines from the > excellent book _Tim Sweeny's Guide To Releasing Independent Records_ to > remember the next time we get frustrated as to why a big label isn't doing > a damn thing to promote the music we love : > > "...Which brings up a very, very important point : record labels, > especially big ones, are very often not concerned about the fate of > individual bands. Their main concern is that they sell enough records > each year to make a tidy profit. They don't particularly care if you are > one of the bands that are making those records. To put it another way : > It is not safe to assume that your record label will do what's in your > best interest." That book has one good chapter which is on the evils of major labels but then he spends the rest of the text advising labels to do exactly what will make them have to consider the bottom line for the rest of their existence. ever jaded, chanel ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ a rancid > < rancid@ amoeba > a future threat temporarily neutralized < best. records > by the lack of capital < com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: live in Cina? Date: 14 Jul 1997 08:36:16 -0700 On Sun, 13 Jul 1997 16:17:27 +0200 Boton wrote: > > Anybody could tell me something on "Live in Cina"? I guess you mean LIVE IN CHINA. No news. Hope they will drop it. Patrice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike burma Subject: RE: live in Cina? Date: 14 Jul 1997 09:50:31 -0700 >> Anybody could tell me something on "Live in Cina"? >I guess you mean LIVE IN CHINA. which makes sense since the original question came from an Italian email address and "ci" is pronounced like the English "chi." cheers, mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsg@juno.com (Geoff S Gersh) Subject: Straylight Date: 14 Jul 1997 15:53:59 -0400 Straylight is an ambient/world music improv. trio combing elec. guitar, analog Buchla synth & African/Brazilian perc./found objects They will be appearing at the Knitting Factory Friday July 18th @ 9pm in the Alterknit Theater. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" Subject: what's up in NYC? Date: 15 Jul 1997 13:32:41 -0400 (EDT) What's on in the city from july 28th to august 5th? thanks, jascha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: live in Cina? Date: 15 Jul 1997 17:29:22 -0700 On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:55:22 -0500 (CDT) "wesley@interaccess.com" wrote: > > > On Mon, 14 Jul 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > > I guess you mean LIVE IN CHINA. > > > > No news. Hope they will drop it. > > Drop it as in release it or drop it as in cancel it? I can't imagine that > you are looking forward to typing in the tracklisting for this one ;) I hope they will forget about this project (the kind you think about after too many drinks and the kind you feel embarrassed about when, the next morning, you attempt to recover from a strong hangover :-). Patrice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: no subject (file transmission) Date: 15 Jul 1997 18:00:11 -0700 (PDT) From wesley@yin.interaccess.com Tue Jul 15 17:01:02 1997 Received: from clavin.interaccess.com [207.70.126.132] by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0woGaa-0007Ao-00; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:01:00 -0600 Received: from yin.interaccess.com (qmailr@yin.interaccess.com [207.208.45.69]) by clavin.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id SAA01262 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:00:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 16266 invoked by uid 409); 15 Jul 1997 22:55:22 -0000 cc: Zorn Digest In-Reply-To: <199707141536.IAA08451@ichips.intel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Mon, 14 Jul 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > I guess you mean LIVE IN CHINA. > > No news. Hope they will drop it. Drop it as in release it or drop it as in cancel it? I can't imagine that you are looking forward to typing in the tracklisting for this one ;) Up the hill backwards, Paul wesley@interaccess.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rladew@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew) Subject: Mike Patton etc. Date: 16 Jul 1997 17:46:11 -0400 (EDT) >To: zorn_list@xmission.com >From: rladew@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew) >Subject: Mike Patton etc. > >Greetings! >Did anyone happen to catch empty-vee's (MTV's) 120 minutes with FNM a week and a half ago? Mike Patton made a well dressed appearance, clips of certain FNM vids were shown, as well as the Last Cup of Sorrow video which actually pretty cleverly rips off Hitchcock's Vertigo with Patton as Jimmy Stewart and Jennifer Jason Leigh. Highlights included Patton mocking himself after an early clip of the band (Patton witj Crystal Gayle length hair) > >In other Patton stuff, the Bacharach cut on the 2x Tzadik cd is great. I love theremins. What do other people think of this and the "Pranzo Oltranzista" disc? > >Much respect, >Rich Ladew >rladew@hopper.unh.edu > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Boton Subject: electric Masada Date: 17 Jul 1997 18:11:13 +0200 In the spring of the '94, in Padova (Italy), i saw a great gig of Masada with: John Zorn, Marc Ribot, Kenny Wollesen (?) and a gay on Hammond organ whose name I forget. Has anyone else heard this group? Does anybody know something ? Excuse my very bad English Thanks for everything. Stefano "Boton" Faccioli stefanof@globalway.it ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: electric Masada Date: 17 Jul 1997 14:35:02 -0800 At 6:11 PM 7/17/97, Boton wrote: >In the spring of the '94, in Padova (Italy), i saw a great gig of Masada >with: John Zorn, Marc Ribot, Kenny Wollesen (?) and a gay on Hammond --- Are you implying something about John Medeski's sexual orientation :-) No, seriously, it's probably John Medeski of Medeski, Martin and Woods. I'm not that fond of his work with MM&W, but his playing on Zorn's Chamber Masada discs is very nice. >organ whose name I forget. >Has anyone else heard this group? >Does anybody know something ? ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Brunelle" Subject: Date: 18 Jul 1997 11:06:32 PDT I have some questions on Bill Laswell related albums that I was hoping someone could help me out on : 1/ Does anyone have the songwriting credits and line-up for the new Last Poets album. I got a promo at work, but there's no booklet or info, save for song titles and the major players on the album. I have my own discography that I started a few years back, and would like the info make it a little more complete. 2/ Does anyone have the songwriting credits for the two APC Tracks albums as well as the first Deadline album? This info would also be greatly appreciated. 3/ On the Axiom page, there's an upcoming soundtrack for a movie titled "City of Industry". Is this a different movie from the recent Harvey Keitel one? I couldn't find a Laswell connection on that soundtrack, so I'm assuming it's different but I wanted to make sure. Thanks in advance for any help that you fellow zorn-listers can give me. Dave Brunelle ihvh@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Mingus Date: 21 Jul 1997 13:45:33 GMT0BST Does anybody know of a mail-list or website where I can get into some serious discussion of Mingus (not, "he is great" but, e.g., "how many different source recordings are used on the various releases of NewYork Sketchbook on A Modern Jazz Symposium??" Does anybody know Brian Prietley's e-mail address, for instance? Sean "Oh Yeah, I know" - C.M. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stewart Casey" Subject: Herb Robertson Date: 21 Jul 1997 19:38:23 -0700 looking for info on the man. I am familiar with his work with tim berne and new winds, but thats it. can anyone help me out? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stewart Casey" Subject: Dave Douglas Sanctuary Date: 22 Jul 1997 00:47:37 -0700 Does anybody know when this album is due for release? Or is already out? I'm also wondering about the lineup on the album. I saw it performed in Vancouver with Michael Moore, Cutis Fowlkes, Peggy Lee, Georg Graewe, Ikue Mori, James Genus, Ben Perowsky. It was fierce. out ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJOERN Subject: Japanese CDs mailorder?? Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:18:54 +0200 (MESZ) can anyone tell me if there is a japanese mailorder somewhere on the internet?????? i mean some place where i can get japanese CDs which are not THAT expensive....... BJOERN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Toru Todate" Subject: RE: Dave Douglas Sanctuary Date: 22 Jul 1997 21:51:45 +0900 Stewart Casey wrote > > Does anybody know when this album is due for release? Or is already out? > I'm also wondering about the lineup on the album. I saw it performed in > Vancouver with Michael Moore, Cutis Fowlkes, Peggy Lee, Georg Graewe, Ikue > Mori, James Genus, Ben Perowsky. It was fierce. According to 'Swing Journal, Sep97', which is the jazz magazine published in Japan, 'Sanctuary' will be released on August 21 in Japan, 'Masada 8' too. Toru Todate trtdt@cb3.so-net.or.jp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Moffett Subject: 10%/Burroughs/Gysin tribute Date: 22 Jul 1997 10:18:44 -0400 (EDT) I just purchased this, and I have a couple of questions in regards to some of the liner notes. 1)There are several references to "dream machines" created by both Gysin and Burroughs, but I can't find any info on exactly what these are. Does anyone have any further info on these? 2)Gysin is credited in the notes for creating the cut up style in literature, but it has always been my understanding that Gertrude Stein was the first to develop it a couple of generations before Gysin (not to mention dadaists like Tzara). Am I missing something, or is the text just inaccurate? Any help much appreciated Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: Re: Dave Douglas Sanctuary Date: 22 Jul 1997 10:54:18 -0400 Toru Todate wrote: > Stewart Casey wrote > > > > Does anybody know when this album is due for release? Or is > already > out? > > I'm also wondering about the lineup on the album. I saw it > performed in > > Vancouver with Michael Moore, Cutis Fowlkes, Peggy Lee, Georg > Graewe, > Ikue > > Mori, James Genus, Ben Perowsky. It was fierce. > > According to 'Swing Journal, Sep97', which is the jazz magazine > published > in Japan, > 'Sanctuary' will be released on August 21 in Japan, 'Masada 8' too. > > Toru Todate > trtdt@cb3.so-net.or.jp According to the Knitting Factory schedule for the summer, August 12 will be the release date, or at least Douglas will be performing the work that night. The concert is listed as a coming out party for the Avant CD release. Douglas will be in town tonight with Tiny Bell Trio. If I get a chance I'll ask him about the release date. Alan E Kayser aek1@erols.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: Re: Japanese CDs mailorder?? Date: 22 Jul 1997 10:58:09 -0400 BJOERN wrote: > can anyone tell me if there is a japanese mailorder somewhere on the > internet?????? > i mean some place where i can get japanese CDs which are not THAT > expensive....... > BJOERN Check out Birdland, Sydney, Australia. They do have a web listing. You can get Japanese CDs, but forget the inexpensive. I haven't used them, but they have an excellent reputation for good service and fair prices.Alan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: Re: Herb Robertson Date: 22 Jul 1997 11:07:38 -0400 Stewart Casey wrote: > looking for info on the man. I am familiar with his work with > tim berne > and new winds, but thats it. can anyone help me out? He has done several recordings with Mark Helias on Enja: Current Set, Desert Blue, and Attack the Future. He is also on Bobby Previte's Music of the Moscow Circus, where his somewhat quirky playing fits in perfectly. He has a release under his own name which I think is titled Certified. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Japanese CDs mailorder?? Date: 22 Jul 1997 08:17:46 -0700 On Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:18:54 +0200 (MESZ) BJOERN wrote: > > can anyone tell me if there is a japanese mailorder somewhere on the > internet?????? > i mean some place where i can get japanese CDs which are not THAT > expensive....... JAPAN OVERSEAS 6-1-21 Ueshio Tennoji-Ku Osaka 543 Japan Specialized in hard to find Japanese records. Prices are high and you should check with the others before and rely on J.O. only ... when you can- not get it otherwise. I doubt that they meet your last desire :-). Patrice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: Japanese CDs mailorder?? Date: 22 Jul 1997 08:56:56 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > JAPAN OVERSEAS > > Specialized in hard to find Japanese records. Prices are high and you > should check with the others before and rely on J.O. only ... when you can- > not get it otherwise. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I doubt that they meet your last desire :-). this is not entirely acccurate. Shoei's prices for SOME items are expensive, but not everything across the board. for instance, the 00100 (or whatever the name of Pee Wee's new group is) CD is listed at $15 or thereabouts in the last catalog i received; a far cry from the $30.99 Rasputin's (local record store) was asking for. additionally, JO releases are quite cheap when buying direct from the source. the Coa CD was $10 i believe. where i would put in a word of caution is that JO does not sell any Avant titles, nor any other similar releases. everything they sell is either punk, noise, metal or some unclassifiable underground Japanese band. all great stuff, to be sure, but... if you're looking for titles on the Avant, DIW, PSF, etc. Japanese labels, i would recommend Forced Exposure instead. http://www.forcedexposure.com/ hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJOERN Subject: (y)earbook volume 2 Date: 22 Jul 1997 18:27:28 +0200 (MESZ) can anyone tell me if this CD is still available and where i can get it? BJOERN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis summers Subject: Date: 22 Jul 1997 11:12:45 -0600 PLease note as my message was whizzing it's way into cyberspace I noticed that I misspelled "Gysin." sorry won't happen again. --ds ***Quantum Dance Works*** ****http://ic.net/~denniss**** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis summers Subject: Gyson Date: 22 Jul 1997 11:11:37 -0600 I actually have a little booklet here with plans and directions on how to make a Dream Machine. It's published by Temple Press Ltd. POBox 227, Brighton, Sussex, BN2 3GL. Although I've yet to make one, from what I understand, it is a kind of cylinder with designs cut out of it that you place over a bulb and rotate. When you close your eyes, the patterns induce some sort of "trip" obtained without drugs. Regarding "cut ups", I can't speak to Stein, but I think that I can speak to the Dadaists. I believe that the dadas were looking for nonsense, or meaning to be found in nonsense. With the cutup method you actually write the whole piece, cut it up, repaste it and publish it as a "meaningful" work. The distinction may be fine, but it is I believe significant. And even given that distinction, there were no dadas that I'm aware of who had a career of books published with that method. Much of their work being designed for performance, again perhaps a fine distinction. yours --ds ***Quantum Dance Works*** ****http://ic.net/~denniss**** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: 10%/Burroughs/Gysin tribute Date: 22 Jul 1997 08:31:31 -0800 > I just purchased this, and I have a couple of questions in regards >to some of the liner notes. > >1)There are several references to "dream machines" created by both Gysin >and Burroughs, but I can't find any info on exactly what these are. Does >anyone have any further info on these? Dream machines are spinning cylinders around light with slits cut into them to create a kind of strobe effect that can affect the state of the viewer. There's some discussion of these in a book of Gysin writings that I'll have to look up the name of. > >2)Gysin is credited in the notes for creating the cut up style in >literature, but it has always been my understanding that Gertrude Stein >was the first to develop it a couple of generations before Gysin (not to >mention dadaists like Tzara). Am I >missing something, or is the text just inaccurate? Stein didn't cut up any texts that I'm aware of (her process seems to be more of an intense focus on her own response to words themselves), but you're right that the Dada folks did (literally) cut up texts. Any "firstness" ascribed to Gysin on this account would need to be based on creating longer pieces created from texts selected for potentially interesting juxtapositions &, probably, using more of a critical eye for the work, rather than just taking anything that came out. Bests, Herb Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: 10%/Burroughs/Gysin tribute Date: 22 Jul 1997 15:54:23 -0400 (EDT) > Any "firstness" ascribed to Gysin on this account would need to be based on > creating longer pieces created from texts selected for potentially > interesting juxtapositions &, probably, using more of a critical eye for > the work, rather than just taking anything that came out. Might I add that Burroughs also said that cutups were a way to decode the unconsciousness - e.g. "Cutups let you know what you might now know that you know". | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland http://www.butterfly.net/mozart school of music | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Re: 10%/Burroughs/Gysin tribute Date: 22 Jul 1997 15:02:51 -0500 >>1)There are several references to "dream machines" created by both >Gysin >>and Burroughs, but I can't find any info on exactly what these are. >Does >>anyone have any further info on these? > >Dream machines are spinning cylinders around light with slits cut into >them >to create a kind of strobe effect that can affect the state of the >viewer. >There's some discussion of these in a book of Gysin writings that I'll >have >to look up the name of. Brion Gysin Let The Mice IN. is the book to start with. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john shiurba Subject: Re: (y)earbook volume 2 Date: 22 Jul 1997 13:28:44 -0700 BJOERN wrote: > > can anyone tell me if this CD is still available and where i can get it? > BJOERN yes this cd is still available, contact-- Rastascan Records PO box 3073 San Leandro CA 94578-3073 USA http://www.rastascan.com I recommend checking out virtually any of the releases on this label, the Yearbook CD has a Zorn piece, but the rest of the roster is filled with very high quality stuff!! -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Execution Ground (was re: Japanese CDs mailorder) Date: 22 Jul 1997 10:12:34 -0700 I'm not sure how hard or hoe expensive it is to find Painkiller's _Execution Ground_ these days, but the three disc CD is at Tower San Mateo (CA) for slightly under $40. Just thought someone might want to pick it up. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: Execution Ground (was re: Japanese CDs mailorder) Date: 22 Jul 1997 15:26:26 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Jeff Spirer wrote: > I'm not sure how hard or hoe expensive it is to find Painkiller's > _Execution Ground_ these days, but the three disc CD is at Tower San Mateo > (CA) for slightly under $40. is this the much-awaited Tzadik re-issue or the Japanese pressing? hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wlt4@aol.com Subject: Re: Japanese CDs mailorder?? Date: 22 Jul 1997 18:49:47 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-07-22 06:25:17 EDT, you write: << i mean some place where i can get japanese CDs which are not THAT expensive....... >> One problem is that Japanese CDs are quite expensive even *in* Japan. I thought i'd found a great source when my cousin moved to Osaka a couple of years ago but it turns out that nearly everything i wanted was cheaper in the US, even if only by a couple of bucks. Lang Thompson http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Execution Ground (was re: Japanese CDs mailorder) Date: 22 Jul 1997 15:57:14 -0700 At 03:26 PM 7/22/97 -0700, SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote: > >On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Jeff Spirer wrote: > >> I'm not sure how hard or hoe expensive it is to find Painkiller's >> _Execution Ground_ these days, but the three disc CD is at Tower San Mateo >> (CA) for slightly under $40. > >is this the much-awaited Tzadik >re-issue or the Japanese pressing? It's the Japanese one. They've had it for a while. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" Subject: Re: Japanese CDs mailorder?? Date: 22 Jul 1997 20:37:42 -0400 (EDT) > One problem is that Japanese CDs are quite expensive even *in* Japan. I > thought i'd found a great source when my cousin moved to Osaka a couple of > years ago but it turns out that nearly everything i wanted was cheaper in the > US, even if only by a couple of bucks. And another odd thing i found about japanese CD prices (in Tokyo, at least) was that everything seemed to cost pretty much the same, ie: the new Soundgarden album was as expensive (or cheap, depending on which country you make your money in, i suppose) as, say, Zoviet France or Naked City.... -jascha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n" Subject: trivia Date: 22 Jul 1997 20:40:02 -0400 (EDT) I happen to notice that 'Zorn' translates as 'Wrath' in German, which seems just far too convenient to be real. Is John Zorn's name an assumed one, or is this actualy his name? (Does this matter? Not in the least!...human curiosity triumphs over relevance once again). -jascha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard C Williams Subject: Re: trivia Date: 22 Jul 1997 23:30:24 -0500 Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n wrote: > > I happen to notice that 'Zorn' translates as 'Wrath' in German, which > seems just far too convenient to be real. Is John Zorn's name an assumed > one, or is this actualy his name? On the back cover of the Zorn/Chadbourne "School" LP, there is a photograph of Henry Zorn playing a tiple and looking remarkably similar to his son(Grandson?), John. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: Re: Japanese CDs mailorder?? Date: 23 Jul 1997 08:42:06 -0400 Yeah-shure, Nah...er...ve'-so'n wrote: > > One problem is that Japanese CDs are quite expensive even *in* > Japan. I > > thought i'd found a great source when my cousin moved to Osaka a > couple of > > years ago but it turns out that nearly everything i wanted was > cheaper in the > > US, even if only by a couple of bucks. > > And another odd thing i found about japanese CD prices (in Tokyo, at > least) was that everything seemed to cost pretty much the same, ie: > the > new Soundgarden album was as expensive (or cheap, depending on which > country you make your money in, i suppose) as, say, Zoviet France or > Naked City.... > > -jascha Yes, this is true. If you look on a Japanese CD you'll see the price in yen on the spine. You'll pay that price no matter where you buy it. Tokyo is loaded with shops, but discounts on recordings are unheard of. It's also true that you will pay far less for Japanese CDs in the US than you will in Japan, due to exchange rates. The average CD in Tokyo, and Japan in general, costs about $25 by current exchange rates. Hong Kong was better, due to less restrictive duties, but who knows now. Alan > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: Re: Dave Douglas Sanctuary Date: 23 Jul 1997 08:46:07 -0400 Toru Todate wrote: > Stewart Casey wrote > > > > Does anybody know when this album is due for release? Or is > already > out? > > I'm also wondering about the lineup on the album. I saw it > performed in > > Vancouver with Michael Moore, Cutis Fowlkes, Peggy Lee, Georg > Graewe, > Ikue > > Mori, James Genus, Ben Perowsky. It was fierce. > > According to 'Swing Journal, Sep97', which is the jazz magazine > published > in Japan, > 'Sanctuary' will be released on August 21 in Japan, 'Masada 8' too. > > Toru Todate > trtdt@cb3.so-net.or.jp I had a chance to speak with Dave last night here in Philadelphia. The release date for Sanctuary will be August 12 here in the US. He's very excited about the composition, but a tour seems unlikely due to costs. Tiny Bell Trio, by the way, did two full sets and were excellent. Alan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geert Buelens Subject: Re: Gyson Date: 23 Jul 1997 16:09:32 +0200 (MET DST) On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, dennis summers wrote: > Regarding "cut ups", I can't speak to Stein, but I think that I can > speak to the Dadaists. I believe that the dadas were looking for nonsense, > or meaning to be found in nonsense. With the cutup method you actually write > the whole piece, cut it up, repaste it and publish it as a "meaningful" > work. The distinction may be fine, but it is I believe significant. And even > given that distinction, there were no dadas that I'm aware of who had a > career of books published with that method. Much of their work being > designed for performance, again perhaps a fine distinction. > Now, that's not really true. I know of some German and two Belgian poets (one in Dutch, the other in French) who used a Dadaist cut-up-like technique in books, published around 1920 By the way, a Flemish commercial TV channel is using a Masada track for a film trailer; hope Zorn sues them. geert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Cynical Hysterie Hour re-released Date: 24 Jul 1997 18:43:00 +1000 (EST) Hi, OH JOY! Yep - its finally in the racks, in my CD player - its "out" there, at last. From Zorn's liner notes: "A funny thing happened...MASADA was scheduled to perform at the Knitting Factory the ten days of Hanukah - December 1996 and a week or so before the dates I got a phone call from Micheal Dorf. Apparently Sony wanted to rent the Knitting Factory space for a private party one night smack in the middle of the run. Would I consider giving up one of the nights? Of course my first response was "NO WAY - TELL THEM TO FUCK OFF", and then I remembered this recording. If I've got something they want (this night in December) - perhaps they'd give me something I want. Absurd, you say? Ridiculous? Never Happen? That's what I thought, but I took a chance and laid the deal in Micheal Dorf's lap: a night for their party of squares in exchange for the rights to CYNICAL HYSTERIE HOUR, which had dropped out of print six months after its 1990 release. Dorf seemed positive he could do it - and can you believe it - he really did!" I believe it - Birdland (birdland @magna.com.au) has got it already if you can't wait for its appearance your own part of the world (where ever that might be). Its a fantastic and whimsical thing. Meantime, cheers and best regards, Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJOERN Subject: Re: Cynical Hysterie Hour re-released Date: 24 Jul 1997 11:50:00 +0200 (MSZ) funny thing i just bought it and hey....i wanted to send these liner notes too :) so this is a really funny story how Zorn got the rights for the CD..... but i guess he didnt get the complete rights because the back of the CD says: "Cynical Hysterie Hour under licanse of Sony Music Special Products" anyway Duras: Duchamp is also released and i personally do not like it too much........ it is very calm , kinda Redbirdish... also the rerelease of Filmworks I is out... by the way......... i am talking bout the german releases BJOERN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis summers Subject: Re: Gysin Date: 24 Jul 1997 07:22:59 -0600 >Now, that's not really true. I know of some German and two Belgian poets >(one in Dutch, the other in French) who used a Dadaist cut-up-like >technique in books, published around 1920 >geert Please, just for my own info who are these guys, and what did they write? I'm no expert on the dadas, but I've read some about them, and haven't come across what you mention. yours --ds ***Quantum Dance Works*** ****http://ic.net/~denniss**** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJOERN Subject: CYNICAL HYSTERIE HOUR Date: 24 Jul 1997 16:25:41 +0200 (MESZ) so for everyone who is interested here are some of my first impressions. First of all i`d like to say that this record in my opinion is one of the Zorn highlights of all time. the cd has four sections (because there are 4 cartoons in the Cynical Hysterie Hour Series). it is about 25 min long (or short). there is all kinds of music involved...everything from surf music to punk rock...from nice harp tunes to weird cartoonish sounds. yeah this is really cartoon music. I love it!!!!!!!! Anyway i guess this is a must have CD for everyone who is just a little bit interested in Zorn`s work. Some of the stuff reminded me of some music that he did with Naked City. Track 23 has a surf solo guitar (played by bill frisell) that reminded me a lot of some stuff from the "Radio" CD by naked City.... anyway i guess i cant really describe the music.........just buy and enjoy!!!!! BJOERN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John E. Young" Subject: Deadline tracks/ Date: 24 Jul 1997 12:52:09 >2/ Does anyone have the songwriting credits for the two APC Tracks >albums as well as the first Deadline album? This info would also be >greatly appreciated. i have one deadline record, entitled "down by law," celluloid 6111 (on vinyl--1985). i don't know if it was their first record, but here's the credits for it: side a: 1. afro beat (m.dibango, p. wilson, b. laswell) 2. boat peoples (m. dibango, s. turre, p. wilson) 3. baliphone dub (p. wilson) side b: 1. makossa rock (m.dibango, p. wilson, b. laswell) 2. gammatron (p. wilson, b. laswell) 3. doo root (p. wilson) it's a pretty cool record--the first i ever heard with turre playing conch shells. jy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Torsten Nielsen Subject: Mick Harris Date: 24 Jul 1997 23:36:49 +0200 (METDST) Hello, I'm looking for some information about some of Mick Harris's projects other than Painkiller. I've only heard very little by Scorn but I liked it quite a bit, so some recommendations would be nice. I understand he also has a few other bands which play this kind of dark dub ambient... Is Painkiller the only band where he plays drums?! Thanks, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Torsten Nielsen Subject: New releases Date: 24 Jul 1997 23:39:47 +0200 (METDST) Does anybody know the release dates for any of the following: The new cd by Derek & The Ruins The "Guitars On Mars" compilation with a (new?) Derek Bailey techno track The new cd by the Misha Mengelberg trio (I'm not sure this actually exists but someone told me they've recorded it) Thanks, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Flemish movie trailers Date: 24 Jul 1997 18:31:59 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Geert Buelens wrote: > By the way, a Flemish commercial TV channel is using a Masada track for a > film trailer; hope Zorn sues them. Why do you think they lack permission? As I recall, Nike used a Naked City track in an ad campaign about five years ago. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Flemish movie trailers Date: 24 Jul 1997 15:39:11 -0700 On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Christopher Hamilton wrote: > > > > On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Geert Buelens wrote: > > > By the way, a Flemish commercial TV channel is using a Masada track for a > > film trailer; hope Zorn sues them. > > Why do you think they lack permission? As I recall, Nike used a Naked > City track in an ad campaign about five years ago. Yep. I think the commercials (there were many) came from Weiden And Kennedy, an agency from Portland (still need to check if they also did the Budweiser one with the Ambitious Lovers). Patrice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rladew@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew) Subject: Re: Mick Harris Date: 24 Jul 1997 18:49:34 -0400 (EDT) >To: zorn-list@xmisssion.com >From: rladew@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew) >Subject: Re: Mick Harris > >>Hello, >>I'm looking for some information about some of Mick Harris's projects other >>than Painkiller. I've only heard very little by Scorn but I liked it quite >>a bit, so some recommendations would be nice. I understand he also has a >>few other bands which play this kind of dark dub ambient... Is Painkiller the >>only band where he plays drums?! >> >>Thanks, >2 Words: NAPALM DEATH!!!!!!!!!!! >If you can get it, get Napalm Death's "The John Peel sessions" (Strange Fruit/Dutch East India Recordings). This is IT. If you have heard Zorn's radio hour (the one where you hear him promoting NAKED CITY and Torture Garden, playing Beach Boys Roland Kirk, Esquivel, Funkadelic, etc..) then this is the version he uses. Zorn plays 3 tracks totalling under 1 minute: The Kill/ Prison Without Walls / and Dead part 1. Zorn describes it as something like heavenly music that transcends the death metal genre and belongs in the stratosphere. > If you cant find this one try Napalm Death's "Scum" (Earache records) which also features Mick Harris. The unfortunate thing with Napalm Death IMHO is that it is only great with the original lineup (Mick Harris :drums, vocals; Shane Embury: bass; Bill Steer: guitar; Lee Dorrian: vocals > >Now stop reading this and kill if you must to find The Peel sessions. If you like Painkiller and Torture Garden, you will be very pleased. > >Rich Ladew >rladew@hopper.unh.edu > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: schwitterz@juno.com (Keith McMullen) Subject: zorn on KCRW Date: 24 Jul 1997 17:15:46 -0700 the host of KCRW, the FM station originating from Santa Monica College in Santa Monica, Ca, is in New York filming some music stuff that airs on PBS television. while doing the TV stuff he broadcasts live from NY for an hour on KCRW out here in California...weekdays between 9 and noon... Monday, July 28, he will have John Zorn in the studio and will be interviewing him live on the air...Zorn said he is bringing a stack of Japanese singles to entertain the lucky listening audience. I don't know what this means for Eastcoasters, but Southern Californians, get those cassette recorders ready with some fresh tape. The show airs from 9-noon...i am not sure when Zorn comes on, probably at 11am. The shows are archived on the KCRW website...so at worst it will be available there to everyone after the fact. Scwitterz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glenn Ianaro Subject: Re: Mick Harris Date: 24 Jul 1997 20:44:10 -0400 Torsten Nielsen wrote: > > Hello, > I'm looking for some information about some of Mick Harris's projects other > than Painkiller. I've only heard very little by Scorn but I liked it quite > a bit, so some recommendations would be nice. I understand he also has a > few other bands which play this kind of dark dub ambient... Is Painkiller the > only band where he plays drums?! > > Thanks, Mick Harris also played on the first 2 Napalm Death cd's. I have one scorn tape and some painkiller. The Napalm Death is the only other stuff other that those 2 that I can think of. OH, He was the drummer for Napalm, Doing 1,000 mile/hour blast beats. GLENN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw Subject: Re: Mick Harris Date: 24 Jul 1997 21:18:17 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Torsten Nielsen wrote: > Hello, > I'm looking for some information about some of Mick Harris's projects other > than Painkiller. I've only heard very little by Scorn but I liked it quite > a bit, so some recommendations would be nice. I understand he also has a > few other bands which play this kind of dark dub ambient... Is Painkiller the > only band where he plays drums?! Go to www.hyperreal.org and follow the link to the music section and try to find the Dub Terrorist pages (or go to www.search.com and do a search for Dub Terrorist). Sorry I don't know the actual link-path, but Hyperreal just reorganized their pages and I don't remember the exact way to get there anymore. It's a listing of various projects of God, Ice, Techno Animal, Painkiller, Scorn, etc. Hope this helps. cya brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Astarita" Subject: Re: Mick Harris Date: 24 Jul 1997 22:06:37 -0500 ---------- >> > Mick Harris also played on the first 2 Napalm Death cd's. I have one > scorn tape and some painkiller. The Napalm Death is the only other > stuff other that those 2 that I can think of. > > OH, He was the drummer for Napalm, Doing 1,000 mile/hour blast beats. > > GLENN > Mick Harris recorded a cd with guitarist James Plotkin this year called "Collapse"... it's an ambient ethereal type of project featuring digital guitar loops, synths ...etc etc.... very nice ! glenn A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Re: Mick Harris Date: 25 Jul 1997 01:26:28 -0400 Torsten Nielsen wrote: >Is Painkiller the only band where he plays drums?! Rich Ladew replied: >2 Words: NAPALM DEATH!!!!!!!!!!! >If you can get it, get Napalm Death's "The John Peel sessions" >(Strange Fruit/Dutch East India Recordings). This is IT. ... ... >If you cant find this one try Napalm Death's "Scum" >(Earache records) which also features Mick Harris. Disclaimer: My apologies for the use of the term "dub" in the following lines. Obviously, Scorn is not true dub (King Tubby, Mad Prof., Lee Perry, Scientist, Marley etc.) in any sense of the word, but my usage of the term (instead of using "post-dub", or something even more meaningless) is simply for descriptive purposes ... I'll second the recommendation on ND's two discs, for fans of Painkiller and Naked City, and add that Mick also plays drums on the new Sigillum S record. Also, on Scorn's debut record, "Vae Solis" (Earache 1992), which is a mixture of early Godflesh, dubby basslines, and dark-ambient atmospherics (nothing like Scorn post-1993) and "Colossus" (Earache 1993), which is a mixture of the Vae Solis record, and the minimal, dark-ambient, fractured dub experiments of recent Scorn, Mick plays some drums here & there in amongst the drum-machine noise & programming. Torsten Nielsen again: >I'm looking for some information about some of Mick Harris's projects other >than Painkiller. I've only heard very little by Scorn but I liked it quite >a bit, so some recommendations would be nice. I understand he also has a >few other bands which play this kind of dark dub ambient... Mick's got so many things going these days, it'd be hard not to write pages ... As far as Scorn goes, the early to records (1992-93), "Vae Solis" (LP), "Lick Forever Dog" (EP), "Lament" (7"), "Deliverance" (EP), "Colossus" (LP), and "White Irises Blind" (EP) are roughly as described above, with the last three efforts containing more of a low-end presence, and more of the slowed-down hip-hop-esque beats/programming that was to come. Scorn was a duo for these records with Nicholas Bullen providing bass guitar, lead guitar and vocals (screaming on the first record, more drone-like singing on Deliverance through WIB). The next Scorn record, "Evanescence" (Earache 1994), is where the old Scorn was entirely left behind. Still a duo for this outing, with the help of James Plotkin on guitar & guitar synth (his trademark ambient style), and Nick Garnett on Digeridoo, this album was billed as "ambient dub". Not nearly as stark and minimal as recent Scorn, this LP is slightly upbeat (but still dark), and has quite a tribal/world feel in places. Drones & shifting atmospherics, typical Harris samples/noises, beats ranging from slow to fast, along with the heavy plodding low-end and Bullen's whispered, echoed, drone-like vocals. No heavy guitar dirges/riffs to be found. Next up was "Ellipsis" (Earache/Scorn Recordings 1995) which is a remix album that really put Scorn into the position it occupies today within electronica/techno/d'n'b etc. Remixes of tracks from "Evanescence" and one from "Colossus" by the likes of Laswell, Autechre, MBM, Coil, Scanner, and PCM. More electronic of course, with some noisy techno sounds, and drum 'n' bass thrown into the Scorn equation. Bullen left Scorn follwing this (a long story unto itself) and Mick's solo Scorn career began with "Gyral" (Earache/Scorn Recordings 1995). Dark, slow, brooding, and minimal, with a low-end for subwoofer freaks. Floating drones reminiscent of his Lull-project, stretched, reverbed & echoed sounds (piano included), and simple, but powerful hip-hop beats/drum breaks. Next came "Logghi Barogghi" (Earache/Scorn Recordings 1996), Mick's last record before parting ways with Earahce (another long story), and his first (since the backing vocals he did on Vae Solis), to use his voice as an instrument. Continuing on from Gyral, LB is even more sparse, but contains a wider array of electronic effects/sounds and covers more territory. The sub-bass is just as low, but most of the drones & atmosphere have been pushed further back in the mix to make way for the strong beats/breaks & vocals. Way more echoing, time-stretching, flanging, and reverb throughout. Mick's voice is also heavily processed, with a metallic tinge, and is for the most part, unintelligible. The speed and placement of the breaks on the record are indicative of his love of drum'n'bass, which he never used Scorn for, but would soon release under other guises. Side note: He samples from two Laswell records - Divination I & Valis I. Mick signed to KK records (Belgium) and Invisible in the US, following his split with Earache, and started up his own label, Possible, to release mainly dark techstep/d'n'b outings in 1996. Scorn released the "Leave It Out" 12" on Possible in 1996: four tracks, quite reminiscent of Gyral, but with the bass being more dense, and not as low in frequency. Then came Scorn's latest, "Zander" (KK/Invisible 1997), which is a less minimal, heavier, Gyral/LB-sounding effort. Nothing much "new" with this one, but still quality work. Big, beefy, foundation-rattling basslines, with electronic envelopes, and all the usual effects. A return to instrumental pieces; no vocals on this one. As Mick has said (more than once), he's ready to end Scorn, and simply focus on his billion other experimental projects/collaborations on a handful of different labels. Things were supposed to end with Logghi, as rumors go, but they didn't. Now supposedly, Scorn will release two more 12"s on Possible (Beat Vol. 1 & 2) and then call it quits for good, but who knows. Also, Scorn's reputed last live date ever which was set at the Anchorage on 6/19 in NYC, was cancelled! Alright, now that I hope I've answered your basic Scorn questions, I could go on and write just as much on all his other outings, but I won't cause a) I don't have the time, and b) there's no reason to clog the Zorn list with this stuff. So, I'll throw his work into quick categories and then point you to a * website * which should help with discographies & info ... Dark-ambient/Drones/Low-end rumblings/20 - 60+ minute tracks etc: Lull - Dreamt About Dreaming CD Lull - Journey Through Underworlds CD Lull - Cold Summer CD Lull - Continue CD Lull - a bunch of now o/p 7"s Harris/Laswell - Somnific Flux CD Harris/Bates - Murder Ballads (Drift) CD Harris/Bates - Murder Ballads (Passages) CD Harris/Plotkin - Collapse CD Laswell's Divination II & III Harris/Spybey (coming) Drum 'N' Bass/Dub/Beats & Breaks: Quoit - Lounge CD Quoit - Tactics 12" Harris/Laswell/Bernocchi - Equations Of Eternity CD Harris/Bernocchi - Overload Lady CD & 12" Matera - Same Here CD Transmisia - Frigid Prose (remix work) Sielwolf - V (remix work) Frequencies - Neoartic (not yet released) Other projects he's worked on: Joy Of Disease w/ James Plotkin Praxis - Sacrifist w/ Laswell, Zorn etc. Chaos Face w/ Laswell etc. Tons of compilation appearances and remix work as well. Now, the website - Dub Terrorist: http://www.hyperreal.com/music/artists/dub_terrorist/ -Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: Cynical Hysterie Hour re-released Date: 25 Jul 1997 16:35:40 +1000 (EST) On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, BJOERN wrote: > so this is a really funny story how Zorn got the rights for the CD..... > but i guess he didnt get the complete rights because the back of the CD says: > "Cynical Hysterie Hour under licanse of Sony Music Special Products" Yeah, it struck me afterwards what a bunch of fuckwits these suits at Sony must be - like; they won't negotiate Zorn on the rights to the recordings, prefering them to gather dust somewhere. But these coked-up turkeys are perfectly happy to give them away (not completely) so they can have some stupid party! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Flemish movie trailers Date: 25 Jul 1997 02:40:27 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > Yep. I think the commercials (there were many) came from Weiden And Kennedy, > an agency from Portland (still need to check if they also did the Budweiser > one with the Ambitious Lovers). Wow! This one I missed. Which Ambitious Lovers track did they use? Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alan M Gordon (MSc/NC)" Subject: Re: Mick Harris (for sale) Date: 25 Jul 1997 11:16:38 +0100 (BST) If anyone's interested, i'm trying to get rid of the following Harris discs: Scorn -- Evanescence (vinyl, all others cd) Harris/Laswell - Somnific Flux CD Laswell's Divination II Chaos Face w/ Laswell etc. Painkiller -- Buried Secrets (Earache) Also: Bill Laswell/N.J. Bullen -- Bass Terror (Sub Rosa) The Golden Palominos -- S/T Praxis -- Metatron The usual sale or trade for weird stuff.... Thanks, sorry to bother you, etc. alan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Jukins Subject: Re: Mick Harris Date: 25 Jul 1997 07:29:06 -0400 > > Mick Harris also played on the first 2 Napalm Death cd's. I have one > scorn tape and some painkiller. The Napalm Death is the only other > stuff other that those 2 that I can think of. > > OH, He was the drummer for Napalm, Doing 1,000 mile/hour blast beats. > > GLENN Actually, Mick plays on more than just the first two: 1) Peel Sessions 2) Scum 3) From Enslavement to Obliteration 4) Death By Manipulation 5) Harmony Corruption Cheers! -Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Re: Mick Harris Date: 25 Jul 1997 09:42:03 -0500 On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:36:49 +0200 (METDST) Torsten Nielsen writes: >Hello, >I'm looking for some information about some of Mick Harris's projects >other >than Painkiller. I've only heard very little by Scorn but I liked it >quite >a bit, so some recommendations would be nice. I understand he also has >a >few other bands which play this kind of dark dub ambient... Is >Painkiller the >only band where he plays drums?! > >Thanks, Napalm Death, Napalm Death Napalm Death. Album: Scum I forget which other ones he plays on. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Re: New releases Date: 25 Jul 1997 09:43:15 -0500 On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:39:47 +0200 (METDST) Torsten Nielsen writes: >Does anybody know the release dates for any of the following: > >The new cd by Derek & The Ruins >The "Guitars On Mars" compilation with a (new?) Derek Bailey techno >track >The new cd by the Misha Mengelberg trio (I'm not sure this actually >exists >but someone told me they've recorded it) > >Thanks, > I have the Misha Mengelberg trio record, so it exists. Good stuff. Joey Baron is the man, eh? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Flemish movie trailers Date: 25 Jul 1997 08:39:25 -0700 On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Christopher Hamilton wrote: > > > > On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > > Yep. I think the commercials (there were many) came from Weiden And Kennedy, > > an agency from Portland (still need to check if they also did the Budweiser > > one with the Ambitious Lovers). > > Wow! This one I missed. Which Ambitious Lovers track did they use? I think it was an original one. Faily mellow but with few tidbits of skronk and Arto breathless unique voice. I was driving to work when they played it and I could not believe it!!! Few years after I asked him (I was still having doubts) and he confirmed it. There was an interesting article on Weiden And Kennedy in a local (Portland, OR) newspaper. The article was about a new campaign for Miller (the beer). The funny thing is that they (W&K) contacted Negativland to get their music for the commercial!!! Of course, the band refused claiming that if W&K had any understanding of what their music stood for, they would have never bothered asking... Anyway, many downtown artists have worked with W&K. Patrice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonas Vognsen Subject: Re: zorn on KCRW Date: 25 Jul 1997 21:04:51 +0200 (METDST) On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Keith McMullen wrote: > Monday, July 28, he will have John Zorn in the studio and will be > interviewing him live on the air...Zorn said he is bringing a stack of > Japanese singles to entertain the lucky listening audience. > Is there anybody who could send me a copy of this interview? I have stuff to trade... Jonas ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john shiurba Subject: Re: Mick Harris Date: 25 Jul 1997 14:02:17 -0700 > Actually, Mick plays on more than just the first two: > > 1) Peel Sessions > 2) Scum > 3) From Enslavement to Obliteration > 4) Death By Manipulation > 5) Harmony Corruption he's also on 'Mentally Murdered' and i think some tracks on 'The World Keeps Turning' (although the new drummer is in the picture on the back). -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Corroto Subject: Re: Flemish movie trailers Date: 26 Jul 1997 10:30:49 -0500 has anyone acquired the Arto lindsey remix disc from his latest Gramavision release? If so can you give us a short review mc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wesley@interaccess.com" Subject: New James "Blood" Ulmer Projects Date: 26 Jul 1997 11:01:33 -0500 (CDT) Info gleaned from (of all places) the new issue of Esquire Magazine : "James Blood Ulmer : The jazz/funk/blues guitarist and vocalist has a new album, _Crossfire_ (DIW Records) with his Music Revelation Ensemble (which includes John Zorn and Pharoah Sanders), coming out later this year. Ulmer performed with Ry Cooder on the score of Wim Wender's The End Of Violence, due out in the fall." All I can say is, !!!!! Out 2 Lunch With Lunchmeat, Paul wesley@interaccess.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- GROOVE O(+> (the artist formerly known as Prince) <+)O ---------- e - m - a - n - c - i - p - a - t - i - o - n one nation The Exodus Has Concluded - Welcome 2 The Dawn ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cedric perrier Subject: Re: lindsey Date: 26 Jul 1997 19:01:28 +0200 has anyone heard about this carlinhos brown arto lindsay produced? could anyone explain me why? cedric perrier ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "pjm" Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #87 Date: 26 Jul 1997 09:42:28 -0700 >>On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Geert Buelens wrote: >> By the way, a Flemish commercial TV channel is using a Masada track for a >> film trailer; hope Zorn sues them. >Why do you think they lack permission? As I recall, Nike used a Naked >City track in an ad campaign about five years ago. >Chris Hamilton I seem to remember Sega using a Naked City snippet a few years ago as well. pjm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "pjm" Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #87 Date: 26 Jul 1997 09:42:28 -0700 >>On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Geert Buelens wrote: >> By the way, a Flemish commercial TV channel is using a Masada track for a >> film trailer; hope Zorn sues them. >Why do you think they lack permission? As I recall, Nike used a Naked >City track in an ad campaign about five years ago. >Chris Hamilton I seem to remember Sega using a Naked City snippet a few years ago as well. pjm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: SME? Date: 27 Jul 1997 14:35:50 +1000 (EST) Hi, Err; spied a pile of records by the Spontaneous Music Ensemble in a local -used record shop. Its not like I'm so cashed up as to buy them all on the spot - I'm hoping someone on the list doesn't mind to recommend what they consider the choice titles by this group? cheers, Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: SME? Date: 27 Jul 1997 03:45:47 -0400 (EDT) I'm not an expert on the SME and I've quite liked everything I've heard, but _Karyobin_ is simply one of the most important records in the history of avant-garde jazz/improvisation. I'd say it's the one to go for if you can only get one. (I'd also be interested in knowing which SME records others consider outstanding.) Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john shiurba Subject: Re: SME? Date: 27 Jul 1997 01:55:08 -0700 James Douglas Knox wrote: > Err; spied a pile of records by the Spontaneous Music Ensemble in a > local -used record shop. Its not like I'm so cashed up as to buy them all > on the spot - I'm hoping someone on the list doesn't mind to recommend > what they consider the choice titles by this group? My advice is to buy them all! that said, i'll tell you what _my_ favorites are... at this point the best 3 are out on CD: Karyobin 85 Minutes (pts 1 & 2)-- reissued as Quintessence the best (unissued on CD) ones that I've heard are (roughly in order of my preference) So What do you think Oliv (no title on cover) Birds of a Feather 1,2 Albert Ayler not bad, but my least faves-- Biosystem and Face to Face (avail on CD) If you saw anything besides the above PLEASE BUY THEM! I'd pay you back double for these: Challenge For CND The Source How Ya Doin' For You to Share SME & SMO -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: New James "Blood" Ulmer Projects Date: 27 Jul 1997 08:05:54 -0700 At 11:01 AM 7/26/97 -0500, wesley@interaccess.com wrote: > >Info gleaned from (of all places) the new issue of Esquire Magazine : > > "James Blood Ulmer : The jazz/funk/blues guitarist and vocalist >has a new album, _Crossfire_ (DIW Records) with his Music Revelation >Ensemble (which includes John Zorn and Pharoah Sanders), coming out later >this year. Chalk this one up to freedom of the press. Blood told me last night that Pharoah is on this, but Zorn is not. He hasn't done any recent recording with Zorn, although he would like to. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: penwaves@mindspring.com (joel lewis) Subject: re: dada/gysin Date: 28 Jul 1997 11:42:30 +0100 the best source for the art, poetry and theory of Dada is painter Robert Motherwell's "The dada painters and poets" (Harvard U.). The book first came out in the 50's and was a GREAT influence on John Cage, John Ashbery, Morton Feldman and almost any experimental artist who came of age in the 50's. it was out of print for years but came back into print in thr mid-80's. there is also john elderfield's Kurt Shwitters catalog from the MOMA show of a decade ago (there are also recordings of shwitters performance texts ou there as well) Don't forget marcel duchamp. tho' not dada, his ideas have a certain correspondence. many books on him -- the best intro is the philadelphia museum of art's catalog of the 73 retrospective (folks shoulkd go to the pma to see their permanent collection of duchamp -- biggest in the world joel lewis ************************************ JOEL LEWIS penwaves@mindspring.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SLEEP FASTER! WE NEED THE PILLOWS! --- Yiddish aphorism <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: lindsey Date: 27 Jul 1997 11:42:43 -0700 On Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:01:28 +0200 cedric perrier wrote: > > has anyone heard about this carlinhos brown arto lindsay produced? > could anyone explain me why? Are you talking about: ALFAGAMABETIZADO: Carlinhos Brown (1996 - Delabel/EMI, 7243 8 41441 2 8 (CD)) What is it to explain? Patrice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Third Rail Live Date: 27 Jul 1997 21:42:44 -0700 Third Rail will be playing in NYC in mid-September (tentative dates are 912 and 9/13). Based on last night's concert in San Francisco, I would highly recommend any NY area fan of Blood, or anyone just in need of an intraveneous injection of funk/jazz should, should make sure they hit the NY shows. Last night was an incredibly high energy show, with some amazing music along the way. Blood does no showboating, it's a band experience, and the band is amazing. One of the highlights was covering Portishead's "Glory Box," Amina doing the vocals on this one. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cedric perrier Subject: Re: lindsey Date: 28 Jul 1997 08:07:19 +0200 Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:01:28 +0200 cedric perrier wrote: > > > > has anyone heard about this carlinhos brown arto lindsay produced? > > could anyone explain me why? > > Are you talking about: > > ALFAGAMABETIZADO: Carlinhos Brown (1996 - Delabel/EMI, 7243 8 41441 > 2 8 (CD) > yes. > What is it to explain? > > motivations. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Brunelle" Subject: Date: 28 Jul 1997 07:22:17 PDT I'm hoping someone can answer a few questions for me : In the "Sweet Butter Fingers" Sonny Sharrock booklet, an interview comes from an Axiom CD-Rom. Has this ever been released, or if not, will it ever be? I also gor Miles' "Tribute To Jack Johnson" which is on Sonny's discography, but he's not on it. Does anyuone know the story with that? Finally, in the packaging for the Autonomous Zone album, they make mention of an album called Imabari '91. Does anyone know who's on this album? Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer any one of these. Dave Brunelle IHVH@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony 'Twizzler' Saunders" Subject: Re: Mick Harris (fwd) Date: 28 Jul 1997 10:40:15 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Rich Ladew wrote: > >2 Words: NAPALM DEATH!!!!!!!!!!! > > If you cant find this one try Napalm Death's "Scum" (Earache > records) which also features Mick Harris. The unfortunate thing with Napalm > Death IMHO is that it is only great with the original lineup (Mick Harris > :drums, vocals; Shane Embury: bass; Bill Steer: guitar; Lee Dorrian: vocals Not quite! The original Napalm Death line Up was in 1982. The line up on either of the two sides of Scum is different! They had a different bassist (who I believe was in Godflesh), side one was recorded about one year before the second side, or something like that. FROM ENSLAVEMENT TO OBLITERATION is the best possible thing to get from Napalm Death, the peel sessions are amazing as well (at least the first two sessions), and Scum is damn good. Mentally Murdered is good, and the split seven inch with japan's SOB is excellent. Yeah, I'm the resident grind freak on the list. Who do I owe tapes to? Imoved back home and lost track of that stuff, sorry! Anthony "Super-powers? Bah! Who needs 'em? I've got a hand grenade! You'd be surprised at how much you can accomplish when people know you got one." - Hand Grenade Man, The Tick issue #11 "A thing is right when it tends to preserve the integrity, stability, and beauty of the biotic community. It is wrong when it tends otherwise" - Aldo Leopold, The Land Ethic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: lindsey Date: 28 Jul 1997 08:26:39 -0700 On Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:07:19 +0200 cedric perrier wrote: > > Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > > On Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:01:28 +0200 cedric perrier wrote: > > > > > > has anyone heard about this carlinhos brown arto lindsay produced? > > > could anyone explain me why? > > > > Are you talking about: > > > > ALFAGAMABETIZADO: Carlinhos Brown (1996 - Delabel/EMI, 7243 8 41441 > > 2 8 (CD) > > > yes. > > > > > What is it to explain? > > > > motivations. Motivations? I am not sure that I understand... Anyway, Arto Linday grew up in Brazil and is a lover of Brazilian music. He has produced/played with numerous Brazilian artists, such as: Caetano Veloso Marisa Monte Tom Ze Gal Costa Arnaldo Antunes Vinicius Cantuaria Carlinhos Brown, I guess, is just one more of the Brazilian artists whose music he loves. Patrice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Sharrock Interview Date: 28 Jul 1997 09:02:40 -0700 At 07:22 AM 7/28/97 PDT, David Brunelle wrote: >In the "Sweet Butter Fingers" Sonny Sharrock booklet, an interview comes >from an Axiom CD-Rom. Has this ever been released, or if not, will it >ever be? No. Probably not. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: lindsey Date: 28 Jul 1997 09:27:37 -0700 (PDT) On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > Anyway, Arto Linday grew up in Brazil and is a lover of Brazilian music. > He has produced/played with numerous Brazilian artists, such as: there was an interview segment with Arto about the Carlinhos Brown disc on NPR's "All Things Considered" last week. hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: lindsey Date: 28 Jul 1997 09:45:27 -0700 On Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:27:37 -0700 (PDT) SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > > Anyway, Arto Linday grew up in Brazil and is a lover of Brazilian music. > > He has produced/played with numerous Brazilian artists, such as: > > there was an interview segment with Arto > about the Carlinhos Brown disc on > NPR's "All Things Considered" last week. Two years ago, I talked to Arto and he mentioned that he was the initial producer of a Carlinhos Brown record supposed to be called TIMBALADA (on Virgin France). At one point, the production costs went out of control and he gave up his position as producer. According to him, the production costs of the record had reached... 0.5 million dollars!!! I am wondering if ALFAGAMABETIZADO is the same record or another one. I have never heard of any record named TIMBALADA. Because we are talking about Arto, I found many records with him on Gut (Ryuichi Sakamoto's label). 106 - FUTURE LISTENING! Towa Tei 1995 - Gut Record (Japan), FLCG-3004 (CD) 1995 - Gut Record (Japan), FLJG-9002 (LP) 1995 - Elektra (USA), 7559 61 761 (CD) 107 - TECHNOVA: Towa Tei 1995 - Gut Record (Japan), FLDG-1003 (CD single) 108 - THE GEISHA GIRLS SHOW: Geisha Girls 1996 (?) - Gut Record (Japan), FLCG-3011 (CD) 120 - SOL NA CARA: Vinicius Cantuaria 1997 (?) - Gut Record (Japan), FLCG-3025 (CD) 121 - H"A (???) 1997 - Gut Record (Japan), FLCG-3023 (CD) 122 - GUT GUT: various artists 1997 - Gut Record (Japan), FLCG-3024 (CD) I am specially puzzled by 121 because I cannot read the name of the artist or the title. Does anybody have info on these records? FUTURE LISTENING! being the only one with a domestic pressing, has anybody seen it? Patrice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Moffett Subject: Re: Mick Harris Date: 28 Jul 1997 13:02:43 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Torsten Nielsen wrote: > Hello, > I'm looking for some information about some of Mick Harris's projects other > than Painkiller. I've only heard very little by Scorn but I liked it quite > a bit, so some recommendations would be nice. I understand he also has a > few other bands which play this kind of dark dub ambient... Is Painkiller the > only band where he plays drums?! Each Scorn album is very different, so it's not so easy to say which is his best one. Most hardcore Scorn fans seem to like _Vae Solis_ the best, and it is pretty good ambient oriented stuff. Personally I think the earlier material is interesting as well, particularly _Colossus_ (imagine heavy but slowed down guitars, sampling similar to Ministry, and obsessively heavy beats). He did a duo album not too long ago with Bill Laswell (anybody have any comments on this?), but I've had trouble finding it. He also supposedly plays drums and does some sampling work on the new Pigface album (out in August). There is a good Scorn/Mick Harris website out there, unfortunately I don't have the adress anymore...if you post to rec.music.industrial someone there can probably tell you. Hope this helps. Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Moffett Subject: 2 unrelated ? Date: 28 Jul 1997 13:18:50 -0400 (EDT) I have 2 unrelated questions...... 1)In my travels on the web I ran across a Laswell site that talks about an upcoming album of his in which he collaborates with Ornette Coleman and William S. Burroughs, and is being released in conjunction with Burroughs's new novel. Does anyone have any further info on this? Is it out, just a plan for down the road, etc? 2)I just picked up the Splatter Trio's _Hi-Fi Junk Note_ based on the fact that they thank Ostertag, Chang, and Pablo Picasso. Does anyone know how their other stuff compares to this disk, or know of anyother related materiall? Thanks in advance Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ak515@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Polak) Subject: Eye question Date: 28 Jul 1997 13:31:03 -0400 (EDT) I don't know if this has been brought up before, or if anybody cares, but it's been bugging me. On some CDs it's spelled YAMATSUKA Eye and on others YAMANTAKA Eye. Which is correct? -- "Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined." - S.G. "I had a great idea this morning, but I didn't like it." - S.G. "I excercise extreme self control, I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast" - W.C. Fields ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: 2 unrelated ? Date: 28 Jul 1997 10:49:23 -0700 At 01:18 PM 7/28/97 -0400, Matt Moffett wrote: >I have 2 unrelated questions...... > >1)In my travels on the web I ran across a Laswell site that talks about an >upcoming album of his in which he collaborates with Ornette Coleman and >William S. Burroughs, and is being released in conjunction with >Burroughs's new novel. Does anyone have any further info on this? Is it >out, just a plan for down the road, etc? It's been planned for a long time, but no recording has ever taken place for it. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MrBERWELL@aol.com Subject: Ensemble Modern and Zorn Date: 28 Jul 1997 15:07:26 -0400 (EDT) At this URL: http://www.koelner-philharmonie.de/cgibin/completedescr.cgi?nr=902&order=0&v=f rame&db=PH&DALI=FALSE You can see a concert announcement for June 11, 1998 at the Cologne Philharmonic, "Ensemble Modern meets John Zorn". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Ladd Subject: Re: Ensemble Modern and Zorn Date: 28 Jul 1997 14:59:00 +0000 >At this URL: >http://www.koelner-philharmonie.de/cgibin/completedescr.cgi?nr=902&order=0&v=f >rame&db=PH&DALI=FALSE >You can see a concert announcement for June 11, 1998 at the Cologne >Philharmonic, "Ensemble Modern meets John Zorn". anyone have any more info on this?? i got server errors when i tried to access, plus, my mastery of the german language is near the realm of non-existance. thanx for any info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john shiurba Subject: Re: 2 unrelated ? Date: 28 Jul 1997 13:49:56 -0700 Matt Moffett wrote: > 2)I just picked up the Splatter Trio's _Hi-Fi Junk Note_ based on the fact > that they thank Ostertag, Chang, and Pablo Picasso. Does anyone know how > their other stuff compares to this disk, or know of anyother related > materiall? The disc you got combines their usual instrumentation of sax, drums and guitar/bass (dbl neck) with live sampling and studio manipulations and other methods of distorting their original music, hence the thank you list... They have 4 other excellent CDs-- 1. Splatter Trio (1st) 2. Anagrams 3. Splatter 3+2- Fistful of Dewey 4. Recombinance The first two are most representative of what the group does-- mixing up free improvisation and tight compositions. IMO Anagrams is the better of the two. The 3rd is a live set they did wsith an extra guitarist & percussionist, and is kind of their homage to Agharta/Pangaea period miles Davis. The fourth is a limited edition release of a live set performed exclusively with 3 CD players-- each player had a CD of his own solo playing, and instead of playing the music together with instruments they did it with CDs. Any and all of their stuff is highly recommended to Zorn fans, supposedly they met while performing Cobra with Zorn in SF. They are kind of the stalwarts of the SF scene at this point, and it's a position they've certainly earned. -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rladew@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew) Subject: Re: Mick Harris (oops bad Napalm info) Date: 28 Jul 1997 17:56:54 -0400 (EDT) My apologies for flubbing the Napalm info. I didn't do all my homework. The Peel sessions, however, do defy any description and is one of my favorite recordings Rich Ladew rladew@hopper.unh.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Weil Subject: Re: Mick Harris (oops bad Napalm info) Date: 28 Jul 1997 17:17:25 -0500 (EST) Since we are discussing Napalm Death here I might as well throw in some mud to make things murky. I got this email from a someone who was very adamant about ND. I have not checked out the truth to his statement and have not found any Crass BS detector LPs with ND on them. So for those who want to know more about ND here is another version of the story....... Here's why: you guys seem to think that Napalm Death ceased to exist with the departure of Mick, but little do you know, Mick isn't an original member. See, before there was Scum there was Hatred Surge. It's an old ND tape with What Can Man Do/Instinct Of Survival/Abbatoir/Control/ Sacrificed/So Sad/Caught In A Dream/Private Death/Cheswick Green(live). The members are Nik-Vocals/Justin-Guitar/Nuts-Bass/Rat-Drums. And guess what? It sounds far removed from even Scum. See, Napalm Death started out as a punk band and made their debute on a Crass Bullshit Detector comp. Later they changed their direction a little and went in on the grindcore thing. So maybe they should have changed their name after Justin and Nik left. TOMASS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard C Williams Subject: Re: Sharrock/Jack Johnson Date: 28 Jul 1997 18:22:18 -0500 David Brunelle asked > I'm hoping someone can answer a few questions for me : > I also got Miles' "Tribute To Jack Johnson" which is on Sonny's > discography, but he's not on it. Does anyuone know the story with that? Sonny is on the record. He appears on Yesternow, and according to Sonny, there were other musicians he remembers playing with on those sessions that were also denied credits on the album. Also keep in mind that this 40 minute album was cobbled together from many hours of studio recordings. You can just about hear little bits of Sonnys playing behind McLaughlins wah-wah guitar starting about 12 min into the piece, then about 19 min in you can quite clearly here Sonny doing his trademark guitar wrangling, behind the uptempo funk figure. BTW, if anyone here is interested in trading live tapes of Sonny/JZ/Frith..... or related stuff, drop me a line at the address above. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: tim berne Date: 28 Jul 1997 18:39:00 -0400 Does anyone know who will be playing with Tim Berne at the Knitting Factory on August 3? It's only listed as Berne, not Bloodcount. Thanks for any information. Alan E Kayser aek1@erols.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: 2 unrelated ? Date: 28 Jul 1997 17:37:34 -0700 (PDT) On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, john shiurba wrote: > They have 4 other excellent CDs-- > 1. Splatter Trio (1st) > 2. Anagrams > 3. Splatter 3+2- Fistful of Dewey > 4. Recombinance don't forget the Splatter Trio & Debris "Jump or Die" disc! includes guests Randy McKean, Tom Plsek and Gregg Bendian. this disc is a kind of tribute to the music of Anthony Braxton. although the "Recombinance" is a personal favorite, it's almost criminally unfair to mention seeing as it was a limited edition of 25 copies, now all sold out. sadly, splatter trio are no longer. saxophonist Dave Barrett moved to the east coast last year, shortly after their final live performance which yielded the "Recombinance" disc. the other two members continue to be a force to be reckoned with here in the SF/Oakland scene. hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Mick Harris Date: 28 Jul 1997 20:53:45 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Matt Moffett wrote: > He did a duo album not too long ago with Bill > Laswell (anybody have any comments on this?) If you're talking about _Somnific Flux_, it's the most minimal, darkest ambient I've heard. If that sounds appealing, you'll probably like it. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: lindsey Date: 28 Jul 1997 20:59:43 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > FUTURE LISTENING! being > the only one with a domestic pressing, has anybody seen it? I don't have it myself, but it's in pretty wide circulation, and got coverage in the mainstream US music press. Towa Tei is a former member of dance-pop superstars Dee-Lite. (I'm fairly certain that there are more E's in there, but I can't be bothered to look it up.) Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Re: lindsey Date: 28 Jul 1997 22:42:28 -0400 >On Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:27:37 -0700 (PDT) SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote: >> >> On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: >> >> > Anyway, Arto Linday grew up in Brazil and is a lover of Brazilian music. >> > He has produced/played with numerous Brazilian artists, such as: >> >> there was an interview segment with Arto >> about the Carlinhos Brown disc on >> NPR's "All Things Considered" last week. I haven't been following this thread closely (so possibly someone has already mentioned it), but speaking of Lindsay, just out is: "Hypercivilizado - The Arto Lindsay remixes" CD on Gramaphone (I believe). Remixes of tracks by some of NYC's so-called "illbient" artists and others, such as DJ Spooky, We, Sub Dub, DJ Soul Slinger, SPIT and more. -Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: perojo@unsl.edu.ar Subject: to zorn list ... Date: 28 Jul 1997 22:18:20 -0300 (GMT-0300) Hi everybody : I need information about Painkiller, the following cds: Rituals:live in Japan, and Guts of a virgin... information like label, where i can but it, prices, any information. Txs. -- P.E.R.(unsl) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw Subject: Re: Eye question Date: 28 Jul 1997 21:52:13 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, David Polak wrote: > I don't know if this has been brought up before, or if anybody cares, but > it's been bugging me. On some CDs it's spelled YAMATSUKA Eye and on others > YAMANTAKA Eye. Which is correct? Both. Apparently Eye changed it for some reason (I can't remember why, but it was in some interview a while ago - how's that for being specific :-)) some time back. You might check out the Boredoms web page to see if it has the relevant info (go to ubl.com and search on Boredoms). cya brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cedric perrier Subject: Re: lindsey Date: 29 Jul 1997 06:18:12 +0200 yes, I was just a bit astonished because it's kind of very commercial and video promo is on important rotation on french TV. what is NPR by the way. thanks cedric Patrick Carey wrote: > >On Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:27:37 -0700 (PDT) SUGAR in their vitamins? > wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > >> > >> > Anyway, Arto Linday grew up in Brazil and is a lover of Brazilian > music. > >> > He has produced/played with numerous Brazilian artists, such as: > >> > >> there was an interview segment with Arto > >> about the Carlinhos Brown disc on > >> NPR's "All Things Considered" last week. > > I haven't been following this thread closely (so possibly someone has > already mentioned it), but speaking of Lindsay, just out is: > > "Hypercivilizado - The Arto Lindsay remixes" CD on Gramaphone (I > believe). > > Remixes of tracks by some of NYC's so-called "illbient" artists and > others, > such as DJ Spooky, We, Sub Dub, DJ Soul Slinger, SPIT and more. > > -Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "pjm" Subject: Re: Mick Harris (oops bad Napalm info) Date: 28 Jul 1997 21:27:53 -0700 I seem to remember seeing Napalm Death's name on the first Bullshit Detector LP, but it was so long ago, i can't remember what the track sounded like. pjm > > Since we are discussing Napalm Death here I might as well throw > in some mud to make things murky. I got this email from a someone > who was very adamant about ND. I have not checked out the truth to > his statement and have not found any Crass BS detector LPs with > ND on them. So for those who want to know more about ND here is > another version of the story....... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glenn Ianaro Subject: Re: Mick Harris (fwd) Date: 29 Jul 1997 00:52:16 -0400 Napalm Death just played here in Pittsburgh a few days ago. I've seen them a few times, If anybody doesn't already know, Napalm Death was the First GrindCore Band. From back in the 80's, Metallica was doing their thing on their first tape and Napalm Death Was 100,000,000 times heavier but really underground. For anyone who wants some REALLY extreme fast and hectice music, Napalm is the band for you. ALso, similar band is Carcass (old material) Actually, the original guitar player from Napalm is in Carcass. Their first two albums are very similar but a little bit more metally. Definitely great stuff. Check them out, their called Reak of Putrifaction and Symphonies of sickness. SOrry for getting a little off topic, I am another resident grindhead. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael O'Connor Subject: Re: Ensemble Modern and Zorn Date: 28 Jul 1997 23:41:05 -0700 Mike Ladd wrote: >=20 > >At this URL: > >http://www.koelner-philharmonie.de/cgibin/completedescr.cgi?nr= =3D902&order=3D0&v=3Df >=20 > >rame&db=3DPH&DALI=3DFALSE >=20 > >You can see a concert announcement for June 11, 1998 at the Cologn= e > >Philharmonic, "Ensemble Modern meets John Zorn". >=20 > anyone have any more info on this?? i got server errors when i tri= ed to > access, plus, my mastery of the german language is near the realm o= f > non-existance. >=20 > thanx for any info >=20 Maybe someone can translate this: [Hier k=F6nnen Sie die Tickets Ihrer Wunschkonzertwahl bestellen:] Titel: 'Ensemble Modern meets John Zorn' Termin: 11.6.98, 20:00 Uhr St=E4tte: K=F6lner Philharmonie Veranstalter: K=F6lnMusik K=F6lnTicket-Nr.: Preise: einheitlich DM 36,- Preisgruppen: ( 1 / 2 / 3 / 4/ 5 / 6 ) Alle Preise zzgl. 10% Vorverkaufsgeb=FChr und DM 5,- Bearbeitungsgeb=FChr pro Zusendung. [Verehrter Kunde] Die Veranstaltung hat entweder bereits stattgefunden bzw.der Vorverkauf hat noch nicht begonnen. [Zur=FCck] =20 [Hier ist die ausf=FChrliche Beschreibung Ihrer Wunschkonzertwahl] Donnerstag, 11. Juni 98, 20:00 Uhr, K=F6lner Philharmonie 'Ensemble Modern meets John Zorn' Akzente Ensemble Modern John Zorn John Zorn Zwei Urauff=FChrungen sowie weitere St=FCcke von und mit John Zorn K=F6lnMusik Vorverkaufsbeginn: 11.02.1998 Preise: einheitlich DM 36,- =C4nderungen vorbehalten! [Zur=FCck] Michael O'Connor http://www.wp.com/funandblindness ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael O'Connor Subject: [Fwd: Ensemble Modern and Zorn] Date: 29 Jul 1997 01:16:22 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7595797F4F93F885F7F50DB2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to Gerd Heinlein. --------------7595797F4F93F885F7F50DB2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from freenet1.carleton.ca ([134.117.136.20]) by freenet7.carleton.ca (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with ESMTP id AAA26864 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 03:09:27 -0400 Received: from stimpy.globecomm.net (stimpy.globecomm.net [207.51.48.4]) by freenet1.carleton.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02770 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 03:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui45.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.30.45]) by stimpy.globecomm.net (8.8.5/8.8.0) with ESMTP id DAA21618 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 03:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helena.mi.uni-erlangen.de (helena.mi.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.103.20]) by uni-erlangen.de with SMTP id JAA19606 (8.7.6/7.5c-FAU); for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:09:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabitu by mi.uni-erlangen.de with SMTP; id JAA14748 (SMI-8.6/7.5b-FAU); Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:09:34 +0200 Message-Id: <199707290709.JAA14748@helena.mi.uni-erlangen.de> In-Reply-To: <33DD9080.1624@notnow.com> from "Michael O'Connor" at Jul 28, 97 11:41:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Mike Ladd wrote: > >=20 > > >At this URL: > > >http://www.koelner-philharmonie.de/cgibin/completedescr.cgi?nr= > =3D902&order=3D0&v=3Df > >=20 > > >rame&db=3DPH&DALI=3DFALSE > >=20 > > >You can see a concert announcement for June 11, 1998 at the Cologn= > e > > >Philharmonic, "Ensemble Modern meets John Zorn". > >=20 > > anyone have any more info on this?? i got server errors when i tri= > ed to > > access, plus, my mastery of the german language is near the realm o= > f > > non-existance. > >=20 > > thanx for any info > >=20 > > Maybe someone can translate this: > > [Hier k=F6nnen Sie die Tickets Ihrer Wunschkonzertwahl bestellen:] [This is where you can order tickets for the concert of your choice] > Titel: 'Ensemble Modern meets John Zorn' Title (see above) > Termin: 11.6.98, 20:00 Uhr Date: June 11th, 1998, 20:00 > St=E4tte: K=F6lner Philharmonie Place: Cologne Philharmonic Hall(?) > Veranstalter: K=F6lnMusik Organizer: Cologne Music > K=F6lnTicket-Nr.: Cologne Ticket Nr.: > Preise: einheitlich DM 36,- Prices: (all) DM 36.- > Preisgruppen: ( 1 / 2 / 3 / 4/ 5 / 6 ) Price groups: > Alle Preise zzgl. 10% Vorverkaufsgeb=FChr und DM 5,- Add 10% fee for advance sale plus DM 5.- for handling to all prices prices > Bearbeitungsgeb=FChr > pro Zusendung. > > [Verehrter Kunde] [Dear Customer] > > Die Veranstaltung hat entweder bereits stattgefunden bzw.der > Vorverkauf hat noch nicht begonnen. This concert either took place already, or ticket sales have not yet started. > > > [Hier ist die ausf=FChrliche Beschreibung Ihrer Wunschkonzertwahl] [Here's a detailed description of the concert you chose] > > Donnerstag, 11. Juni 98, 20:00 Uhr, K=F6lner Philharmonie Thursday, June 11, 98, 20:00 h, Cologne Philharmonic > > 'Ensemble Modern meets John Zorn' (see above) > > Akzente Accents (Accentuations?) > > Ensemble Modern > John Zorn > > John Zorn > Zwei Urauff=FChrungen Two premieres > sowie weitere St=FCcke von und mit John Zorn plus further pieces (written and played) by John Zorn > > K=F6lnMusik Cologne Music > Vorverkaufsbeginn: 11.02.1998 Ticket sales start Feb. 11th, 1998 > Preise: einheitlich DM 36,- Prices: all seats DM 36.- > > > Michael O'Connor > > http://www.wp.com/funandblindness --------------7595797F4F93F885F7F50DB2-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mcmullenm" Subject: http://cadencebuilding.com/Cadence/CadenceMagazine.html Date: 29 Jul 1997 08:29:07 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC9BF9.7B24C2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: Splatter Trio To anyone who likes Splatter's Hi-Fi Junk Note, I would recommend HARDCORE CHAMBER MUSIC by Koch-Schutz-Studer [INTAKT CD 042]. This is a Swiss trio playing reeds, electric cello, and percussion, with heavy use of sampling. Samples are listed and include Hendrix, Elliott Sharp, Xenakis, Napalm Death, etc. There is a band based in Boston called Debris which is also in this category of music. In fact, Debris collaborated with the Splatter Trio on a CD of Anthony Braxton compositions, JUMP OR DIE [Music & Arts 843]. The artists associated more directly with Splatter in the SF Bay Area are well documented on Rastascan Records. The Sun Ra tribute on that label has some wonderful music by a variety of artists. A great source for this music is Cadence Magazine. In addition to excellent reviews, the catalog in the center section carries all of the music mentioned above. A link to their website is included in this post. Keith McMullen ------=_NextPart_000_01BC9BF9.7B24C2E0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Reco...url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Reco.. (Internet Shortcut) Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Reco...url" [InternetShortcut] URL=http://cadencebuilding.com/Cadence/CadenceMagazine.html ------=_NextPart_000_01BC9BF9.7B24C2E0-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Torrance" Subject: noise festival Date: 29 Jul 1997 09:15:35 PDT I don't know if this is of interest to anyone on this list but WKCR 89.9 FM in N.Y.C. is having thier first ever noise fetival for the next 3 days ,including many live over the telephone performances.The schedule I copied from thier web site is attached. Jack Torrance WKCR-FM (89.9) proudly presents the NOISE FESTIVAL July 29, 30, and 31 The festival will run for 72 hours through all of Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. THE SCHEDULE TUESDAY 12am - 6am: historic noise - Italian Futurists, Lou Reed’s "MetalMachineMusic", Nurse w/ Wound, Throbbing Gristle, P16.D4, Dry Lungs compilations, early Masonna, Hijokaidan & Merzbow, etc. - interviews with Paul Lemos and Ron Lessard 6am - 9am: trashy/improvised noise 9am - 12pm: ugly noise 12pm - 4pm: beautiful noise/quiet noise 4pm - 5pm: mlehst (telephone performance from Britain) 5pm - 6pm: TADM (telephone performance from Canada) 6pm - 8pm: Merzbow 7pm - 7.30pm: Hermit (telephone performance from Canada) 7.30pm - 8pm: DL Savings T.X. (live in-studio from Michigan) 8pm - 8.30pm: Negro (Telephone performance from Minnesota) 8.30pm - 9pm: New Port (Telephone performance from Minnesota) 9pm - 9.30pm: Tom Sutter/Regicide Bureau (telephone performance from Missouri) 9.30pm - 10pm: An Oxygen Auction (live in-studio from New Jersey) 11pm - 12am: Spastic Colon (telephone from San Francisco) WEDNESDAY 12am - 3am: Al Jill-Off, guest DJ 3am - 6am: intellectual noise 6am - 7am: Jodie Monotrona & Kelly Kuvo 7am - 9am: noise by women/misogynist noise 9am - 11am: funny noise 11am - 12pm: Lasse Marhang 12pm - 3pm: noise as pop 3pm - 3.30pm: K. Toeplitz (live telephone performance from France) 3.30pm - 4pm: Westland (live telephone performance from France) 3pm - 6pm: Aube 6pm - 7pm: Can’t (live in-studio from Boston) 7pm - 9pm: Borbetomagus interview 9pm - 11pm: Runzelstirn & Gurgelstock 11pm - 12pm: Simon & Keiko (live in-studio from Boston) THURSDAY 12am - 3am: Germany/West Europe 3am - 3.30am: MSBR (live telephone performance from Japan) 3am - 6am: Japan 6am - 9am: US 9am - 11pm: Northern Europe 11pm - 1pm: UK 1pm - 2pm: Tea Culture (live telephone performance from UK) 2pm - 3pm: Masonna 3pm - 3:30pm: Expose Yr Eyes (live telephone performance from UK) 3:30pm - 4pm: Prick Decay (live telephone performance from Bhutan) 4pm - 4.30pm: Evil Moisture (live telephone performance from UK) 5pm - 6pm: 36 (live in-studio from Virginia) 6pm - 7pm: Dog (live in-studio from Boston) 7pm - 8pm: Reptilicus (live telephone performance from Iceland) 8pm - 9pm: Exercise in Disgust (live in-studio performance from New Jersey) 9pm - 10pm: Woe Is Me (live in-studio from Manhattan) 10pm - 12am: freestyle noise jam e-mail us at wkcr@columbia.edu WKCR-FM 89.9 490 Riverside Drive New York, NY 10027 (212)854-9290 (listener request) (212)854-9297 (business) (212)854-9296 (fax) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m. rizzi" Subject: Re: lindsey Date: 29 Jul 1997 10:50:01 -0700 (PDT) cedric perrier, demi-God and Icon sez: > >what is NPR by the way. NPR stands for National Public Radio here in the U.S. It is a nationally syndicated collection of news and information shows. ASIDE to zorn-list folks: please remember to trim down the text you are replying to the relevent sentence or two. thanks. [snip - 26 lines of unrelated text removed] >> >> there was an interview segment with Arto >> >> about the Carlinhos Brown disc on >> >> NPR's "All Things Considered" last week. cheers, mike rizzi zorn-list-maintenance-foreman ------------------- rizzi@netcom.com ----------------------------------- www.browbeat.com "Another nerd with a soulpatch" www.grin.net/~rizzi/burma.html browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 ---------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AJSExec@aol.com Subject: Re: SME Date: 29 Jul 1997 14:48:06 -0400 (EDT) > Err; spied a pile of records by the Spontaneous Music Ensemble in a > local -used record shop. Its not like I'm so cashed up as to buy them all > on the spot - I'm hoping someone on the list doesn't mind to recommend > what they consider the choice titles by this group? I'll second "Karyobin", "Quintessence", and "So What Do You Think", in that order. The albums with Bobby Bradford are also good, except for Bradford fans, because he generally gets swallowed up by the rest of the Ensemble. - Todd S. Jenkins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john shiurba Subject: Re: 2 unrelated ? Date: 29 Jul 1997 12:49:10 -0700 > although the "Recombinance" is > a personal favorite, it's almost > criminally unfair to mention > seeing as it was a limited > edition of 25 copies, now all > sold out. well, I consider this to be a major accomplishment musically, and in spite of the limited pressing, it was available to the public, therefore part of their discography. and who knows maybe Sony will obtain the rights from Rastascan in exchange for Rastascan getting to have its Christmas Party in the middle of the Sony Festival at the Knitting Factory... -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: 2 unrelated ? Date: 29 Jul 1997 13:06:15 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, john shiurba wrote: [ Re: "Recombinance" ] > well, I consider this to be a major accomplishment musically, couldn't agree more. > and who knows maybe Sony will obtain the rights from > Rastascan in exchange for Rastascan getting to have its Christmas Party in > the middle of the Sony Festival at the Knitting Factory... hey, if Zorn can do it, why can't Rastascan? ;) hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wilson, King of Prussia" Subject: Laswell limited editions, and other stuff.... Date: 29 Jul 1997 17:45:15 -0600 I was strolling through a Tower today, and noticed some new laswell recordings. The cd's themselves looked like they came out of someone's cd burner, and they had no cover. A big sticker on the front announced them as Limited Edition Bill Laswell Phat Dub #1, and #2. Normally, they would be playing in my home cd player right now, but I'm leaving on phish tour for a week or so, and am cash-strapped. They both listed for twenty bucks. Anyone wanna tell me what they are, so I can start drooling now? Also, regarding some other bands of interest of people around hear, I'm wondering what people think of the latest Melvins, or the Godflesh remix of Songs of Love and Hate? Personally, I think both are incredible.... Also2, can someone post a review of the latest Mike Patton solo disk? Anyone else notice the index to the new Tzadik site has changed? It's no longer Zorn's Corner...... read icculus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Edward Kocol Subject: Naked City in commercials Date: 29 Jul 1997 13:39:42 -0700 > >As I recall, Nike used a Naked City track in an ad campaign about > >five years ago. > > >Chris Hamilton > >I seem to remember Sega using a Naked City snippet a few years ago as >well. Could anyone tell me from which songs they were? That's an interesting piece of information. -Jason http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/2569/Suburban.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Laswell limited editions, and other stuff.... Date: 29 Jul 1997 18:25:59 -0700 At 05:45 PM 7/29/97 -0600, Wilson, King of Prussia wrote: > I was strolling through a Tower today, and noticed some new laswell >recordings. The cd's themselves looked like they came out of someone's cd >burner, and they had no cover. A big sticker on the front announced them >as Limited Edition Bill Laswell Phat Dub #1, and #2. Normally, they would >be playing in my home cd player right now, but I'm leaving on phish tour >for a week or so, and am cash-strapped. They both listed for twenty bucks. >Anyone wanna tell me what they are, so I can start drooling now? These aren't new or limited, really. They are the APC Tracks discs (see the Axiom Web Site, URL below.) They are really worth buying, and even though they are not limited editions, they will be hard to find after a few months. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Schwartz Subject: Re: Laswell limited editions, and other stuff.... Date: 29 Jul 1997 21:50:20 -0400 Jeff Spirer wrote: > > At 05:45 PM 7/29/97 -0600, Wilson, King of Prussia wrote: > > I was strolling through a Tower today, and noticed some new laswell > >recordings. The cd's themselves looked like they came out of someone's cd > >burner, and they had no cover. A big sticker on the front announced them > >as Limited Edition Bill Laswell Phat Dub #1, and #2. Normally, they would > >be playing in my home cd player right now, but I'm leaving on phish tour > >for a week or so, and am cash-strapped. They both listed for twenty bucks. > >Anyone wanna tell me what they are, so I can start drooling now? > > These aren't new or limited, really. They are the APC Tracks discs (see > the Axiom Web Site, URL below.) They are really worth buying, and even > though they are not limited editions, they will be hard to find after a few > months. > > Jeff Spirer > Axiom/Material > www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ Is this also true for the "Ambience Dub" volumes which are on the APC label and appear to have the same personel as the "APC Tracks" CDs? I got the "APC Tracks" CDs from APC's web site after they were discussed on this list & they are quite cool-as is Robert Lloyd's "Think about Brooklyn" which has Lloyd, Laswell, Sonny Sharrock, Anton Fier, and Gregorie Garrigues in an uncharacteristically unprocessed session, by which I mean that it sounds like a recording of a bunch of musicians playing conventional instruments in a room, the complete opposite of Somnific Flux (not that I don't dig that CD a lot, you know). -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Laswell limited editions, and other stuff.... Date: 29 Jul 1997 19:16:20 -0700 At 09:50 PM 7/29/97 -0400, Jeff Schwartz wrote: >Jeff Spirer wrote: >> >> These aren't new or limited, really. They are the APC Tracks discs (see >> the Axiom Web Site, URL below.) They are really worth buying, and even >> though they are not limited editions, they will be hard to find after a few >> months. >Is this also true for the "Ambience Dub" volumes which are on the APC label and appear >to have the same personel as the "APC Tracks" CDs? I got the "APC Tracks" CDs from >APC's web site after they were discussed on this list These are the same discs. They were somewhat repackaged by ROIR, who is distributing them. > & they are quite cool-as is Robert >Lloyd's "Think about Brooklyn" which has Lloyd, Laswell, Sonny Sharrock, Anton Fier, Very cool recording. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony 'Twizzler' Saunders" Subject: Re: noise festival Date: 29 Jul 1997 22:42:40 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Jack Torrance wrote: > I don't know if this is of interest to anyone on this list but WKCR 89.9 > FM in N.Y.C. is having thier first ever noise fetival for the next 3 This is of major interest to me, because... > 8pm - 9pm: Exercise in Disgust (live in-studio performance from New > Jersey) Would just happen to be me and two of my best friends!! > 9pm - 10pm: Woe Is Me (live in-studio from Manhattan) And this guy just flat out rules! Hermit was really amazing... I've taped about 13 hours of the marathon so far using my vcr... So much to listen to! Anthony... resident grind AND noise freak! (and performer) "A thing is right when it tends to preserve the integrity, stability, and beauty of the biotic community. It is wrong when it tends otherwise" - Aldo Leopold, The Land Ethic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Naked City in commercials Date: 30 Jul 1997 02:29:31 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Jason Edward Kocol wrote: > Could anyone tell me from which songs they were? Don't they all sound alike? :^) The Nike commercial used one of the short grindcore-like pieces from _Torture Garden_. I'm afraid at this late date that's the best I can do. Chris Hamilton Currently in Heaven Listening to _Live-Evil_, Finally Available on Domestic CD (anyone know when that Laswell remix album is due out?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mcbride/turner" Subject: masada alef liner notes Date: 30 Jul 1997 13:17:48 -0400 hi! this is my first posting to zorn-list. i'm a bit nervous... i recently bought masada alef (diw 888) and was taunted by some very thoughtful-looking liner notes, in japanese! does anyone know where i can find an english translation of these notes? thanks, robert turner ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ak515@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Polak) Subject: Re: Naked City in commercials Date: 30 Jul 1997 14:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Reply to message from chhst9+@pitt.edu of Wed, 30 Jul > >Don't they all sound alike? :^) The Nike commercial used one of the short >grindcore-like pieces from _Torture Garden_. I'm afraid at this late date >that's the best I can do. > If I remember correctly, it was "Igneous Ejaculation" that was used for the Nike commercials. When they were out it thought it was strange to hear Zorn's opposite-of-mainstream music with the worlds largest athletic shoe maker. -- "Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined." - S.G. "I had a great idea this morning, but I didn't like it." - S.G. "I excercise extreme self control, I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast" - W.C. Fields ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "pjm" Subject: Re: Naked City in commercials Date: 30 Jul 1997 13:46:52 -0700 > > Reply to message from chhst9+@pitt.edu of Wed, 30 Jul > > > >Don't they all sound alike? :^) The Nike commercial used one of the short > >grindcore-like pieces from _Torture Garden_. I'm afraid at this late date > >that's the best I can do. > > > If I remember correctly, it was "Igneous Ejaculation" that was used for the > Nike commercials. When they were out it thought it was strange to hear > Zorn's opposite-of-mainstream music with the worlds largest athletic shoe > maker. The toon used in the Sega commercial was from Zorn's "Naked City", but i can't remember which toon. It was one of the really fast hardcore sort of numbers. I'll listen to the cassette and see if i can figure which one it was, but it was several years ago.... pjm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DR S WILKIE Subject: Re: Herb Robertson Date: 31 Jul 1997 11:05:59 GMT0BST Somebody asked about Herb Robertson. I have a nice disc called "Shades of Bud" (?) by a six-piece group called something like the Herb Robertson Brass Ensemble (or ... Project?) on JMT. Sorry I can't remember many accurate details. Arrangements of tunes by Bud Powell and one standard indelibly associated with him. Baron is on drums, and the other five are brass (John Clark? Frank Lacy?) Full details next week, I promise. Also, Hywel has a funky live disc (also on JMT) called X-Cerpts, with Berne and Baron and vibes (?) and bass. Sean "Stop that crazy boppin' and a-stoppin' and play that jive like the rest of us guys" - Fats Waller, namimg "bop", according to Oran "Hot Lips" Page. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john shiurba Subject: Re: 2 unrelated ? Date: 29 Jul 1997 12:43:16 -0700 > don't forget the > Splatter Trio & Debris "Jump or Die" > disc! whoops! a major oversite on my part, this disc is amazing!! > sadly, splatter trio are no > longer. saxophonist Dave Barrett > moved to the east coast last > year, shortly after their final > live performance which yielded > the "Recombinance" disc. actually this is all untrue-- Splatter Trio is on HIATUS... because Dave Barrett moved to Mexico this year... after their last live performance in Jan 97 (the Recombinance CD was recorded in Aug 96)... They are by no means history--they have at least one CD recorded (an extended group project) that has yet to be released, and they nearly played at the Texaco Festival in NY last month, but Robair had a scheduling conflict. -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Marks" Subject: Praxis Live Date: 29 Jul 1997 11:59:25 -0400 Anyone know where I could mail order the live Praxis album? Andrew Marks Software Engineer MTS-PowerTek, Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Brunelle" Subject: Date: 31 Jul 1997 09:11:55 PDT Just an addition to the question I posted a few days back, regarding Sonny Sharrock's playing on "A Tribute to Jack Johnson" : I was looking through one of those Muze(?) machines in a store yesterday, and saw that on Columbia's new remastered version of the album, Sonny is credited among the players. I hope that his estate will get royalties. At the very least the credit has now been given. Dave Brunelle ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Hodshon Subject: SF Bay Activities? Date: 31 Jul 1997 09:38:45 -0700 Hullo der, I'll be travelling to the bay area every week (Monday & Tuesday) for the next few months. Anyone know of zornish activities or places that I can visit while I'm there? Maybe a decent used record store or underground comic shop? Also, does anyone know the value of naked city's torture garden vinyl lp? I'm looking for GONG's flying teapot on the french BYG label. Ciao bellas, Fred hodshon HI ALLEN H!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike burma Subject: Saw Copy of Bible Launcher in SF Date: 31 Jul 1997 10:27:43 -0700 I saw a used copy of the recalled Tzadik Lunatic Fring release Bible Launcher in San Francisco yesterday at Aquarius Records. Can't recall the price, but it definitely wasn't at the Kollector Skum level...more like $12-14. Aquarius is a great local recordstore (check it out Fred) located at 1055 Valencia (415-647-2272) that has excellent taste in an eclectic variety of music (something most Zorn fans would appreciate) and sends out a real informative new arrivals list via email (aqua@sirius.com). Mike Burma - A Satisfied Customer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john shiurba Subject: Re: SF Bay Activities? Date: 31 Jul 1997 13:02:11 -0700 > I'll be travelling to the bay area every week (Monday & Tuesday) for the > next few months. Anyone know of zornish activities or places that I can > visit while I'm there? > > Maybe a decent used record store or underground comic shop? > the Luggage Store Gallery (1007 Market St, SF) has improv shows every Monday. The Yellow Room (2424 E 11th St, Oakland) has improv shows every Tues (& Thurs). Check the local weeklies for rock club listings. Amoeba Music in Berkeley is the best (new & used)record/CD store in the western Hemisphere. -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Gilliam Subject: Boston Madness Date: 31 Jul 1997 16:13:09 -0400 Hello, I am going to Boston next week for the MacWorld conference. Luckily I get to stay there from this Saturday until Saturday. Can someone give me a run down on the fun improv/noise/avant garde scene there (if there is one). And hey, if anybody knows who Alien Skin is and/or if you're going to MacWorld, stop by our booth (#5637). We'll have brightly colored hair, and we might hit you with a rubber alien! Bonk!! Thanks! Scott Gilliam CEO / Forklift Daddy ALIEN SKIN SOFTWARE, LLC Suite 101, 1100 Wake Forest Road Raleigh, NC 287604-1354 http://www.alienskin.com V: 919 832 4124 x126 F: 919 832 4065 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mcmullenm" Subject: Fw: SF Bay Activities? Date: 31 Jul 1997 13:09:20 -0700 > > I'll be travelling to the bay area every week (Monday & Tuesday) for the > > next few months. Anyone know of zornish activities or places that I can > > visit while I'm there? > > > > Maybe a decent used record store or underground comic shop? check out beanbenders while in the bay area...they have a website and an e-mail address for info...also Hotel Utah if they are still doing shows...these two venues feature rastascan related artists a lot...the e-mail address at the beanbenders website is agreat source for info regarding zorn-style music. Sz. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Terwilliger Subject: Re: Praxis Live Date: 31 Jul 1997 16:29:40 -0400 Andy Marks wrote: > > Anyone know where I could mail order > the live Praxis album? > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Andrew Marks > Software Engineer > MTS-PowerTek, Inc. > ------------------------------------------------------------- I got mine from Pastel Blue in england. It was only like, 18 bucks us. I don't remember the URL right now, but do a search in yahoo for pastel blue. It's there. They are about the cheapest place for uk imports around. -Sean ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john shiurba Subject: Re: Fw: SF Bay Activities? Date: 31 Jul 1997 14:13:43 -0700 > check out beanbenders while in the bay area...they have a website and an > e-mail address for info...also Hotel Utah if they are still doing > shows...these two venues feature rastascan related artists a lot Beanbender's continues to have great shows every Sunday, but the Dark Circle lounge series (run by Gino Robair/Rastascan) no longer happens at the Hotel Utah. -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Corey Marc Fogel Subject: Pranzo Oltranzista Date: 31 Jul 1997 14:25:25 -0700 (MST) On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Wilson, King of Prussia wrote: > Also2, can someone post a review of the latest Mike Patton solo disk? > > Anyone else notice the index to the new Tzadik site has changed? It's no speaking of which, does anyone have any idea why on the Tzadik website, Pranzo Oltranzista is listed as having 13 tracks as opposed to 11, with a very different order, with some track names that are not even on the CD, nor anywhere in any of the subtitles, nor anywhere else on the CD insert......?? no one responded when i wrote to the address at the bottom of the page. if its supposedly "changed" then maybe someone fixed it....i havent looked in a couple of days.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john Subject: Re: Fw: SF Bay Activities? Date: 31 Jul 1997 14:47:57 -0800 not sure when you're in town but zorn, patton and ikue mori play slims on the 12th of august. j ------------------------- john paczkowski watski@sirius.com ------------------------- can see no "purpose" in game. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: a rancid amoeba Subject: Re: Pranzo Oltranzista Date: 31 Jul 1997 15:04:45 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Anyone else notice the index to the new Tzadik site has changed? It's no > > speaking of which, does anyone have any idea why on the Tzadik website, What's its URL? I gather you guys aren't talking about the Koch/Tzadik site. chanel ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.arancidamoeba.com/ rancid@best.com r e c o r d l a b e l s o n t h e w e b future home of a rancid amoeba records ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wesley@interaccess.com" Subject: Re: Praxis Live Date: 31 Jul 1997 17:19:30 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Sean Terwilliger wrote: > Andy Marks wrote: > > > > Anyone know where I could mail order > > the live Praxis album? > > I got mine from Pastel Blue in england. It was only like, 18 bucks us. I > don't remember the URL right now, but do a search in yahoo for pastel > blue. It's there. They are about the cheapest place for uk imports > around. You can also get it from Rough Trade Shop (http://www.roughtrade.com) for about $19 US. Also worth noting that _Asana_ was released in Europe this week, also on Douglas Records. I called Downtown Music Gallery last week to order the new Ion discs and Bruce mentioned that Douglas still did not have a distribution deal in the US, so it may be awhile before they reach our shores. Out 2 Lunch With Lunchmeat, Paul wesley@interaccess.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Bramy Subject: Melvins Date: 31 Jul 1997 15:28:33 -0700 (PDT) > Also, regarding some other bands of interest of people around hear, I'm >wondering what people think of the latest Melvins, or the Godflesh remix of >Songs of Love and Hate? Personally, I think both are incredible.... I'm with you on the new Melvins release. They've yet to cease amazing me. Saw them play here in Seattle a month or so ago and after seeing them maybe 15 times over the years, this show blew me all the way away. If you get a chance to see them soon, they are in high gear and top form. I've heard excellent things about the Godflesh remix CD but have yet to hear it myself. Todd Bramy tbramy@oz.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: Pranzo Oltranzista Date: 31 Jul 1997 16:20:53 -0700 (PDT) On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, a rancid amoeba wrote: > What's its URL? I gather you guys aren't talking about the Koch/Tzadik > site. www.tzadik.com hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nils Jacobson Subject: Need info on new recording Date: 31 Jul 1997 19:46:11 +0000 I recently saw the following recording on the Panton (?) label, released 7/15: Viklicky/Frisell/Driscoll/John, *Door & Window*. Does anyone know what this is or what it sounds like? Thanks. Nils ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "pjm" Subject: Zony Mash @ OK Hotel in Seattle Date: 31 Jul 1997 19:01:37 -0700 For anyone that might be interested: The Stranger {free seattle paper} informs me that Zony Mash is playing August 12-17 at the OK hotel (212 Alaska Way s., Seattle} . The last night he's playing the music of John Zorn's Torture Garden with Eyvind Kang, Skerik, Brad Mowen, Briggen Krauss, and Mike Stone. Only 8$! Also playing w/ Bill Frisell on the 15th. pjm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Need info on new recording Date: 31 Jul 1997 16:50:58 -0700 On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:46:11 +0000 Nils Jacobson wrote: > > > I recently saw the following recording > on the Panton (?) label, released 7/15: > > Viklicky/Frisell/Driscoll/John, *Door & Window*. > > Does anyone know what this is or what it sounds like? It's an old recording from late '70s. All I know... Patrice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mcmullenm" Subject: zorn on KCRW Date: 29 Jul 1997 11:12:18 -0700 it turns out john zorn had to cancel for reasons outside his control and they are going to try again when douridas [sp?] returns to tape more PBS shows in september...i'll keep you posted... keith mcmullen