From: tricky88@earthlink.net Subject: low quality Zorn? Date: 01 Sep 1997 20:02:38 -0700 This being in reference to the recent posts that a) Zorn may be working to capitalize on his own recent success, and b) his recent work is suffering , perhaps as a result of the quantity of pieces being put out. I don't buy it really. It seems to me that whenever new Zorn records have come out in the past four years or so, I have thought them to be more interesting, more listenable (not a term synonomous with quality OR beauty), and more diverse and even fun than when I first came across his music 10 years ago. Part of that is surely that my own tastes keep expanding in what I wil listen to I suppose, but why assume that the recent success/ popularity of his work has caused him to be more prolific to capitalize on it? It seems to make more sense that with the large number of recent releases, his label, live shows (but being in L.A. his live shows only exist in theory and heresay), and the vast diversity of the content, that THAT is what has caused more people to take more notice of his work. I have the feeling that in 20 years time, music fans will look at the mid-90's as one of those famous "Periods of Intense Creativity" for John Zorn. When Miles Davis was tossing out Prestige Recordings every few months (and many of those were hurried for financial reasons; so he could finish his contract and move on to Columbia) those are still some of the finest pieces of their era. I'm simply glad that I'm into his music right now, when so much of it is coming out. It's exciting. And not being able to digest it all fast enough; well... That's a problem I'm willing to live with. Mark Mauer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wlt4@aol.com Subject: Gainsbourg tribute Date: 02 Sep 1997 00:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Ok, i guess i'll be the first to ask what's on Great Jewish Music: Serge Gainsbourg. Lang Thompson http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: Re: Leng T'che date, Slim's in SF, etc. Date: 01 Sep 1997 23:32:10 -0700 (PDT) A Long Time Ago Allen Gittelson, demi-God and Icon sez: > >The other somewhat offshoot experience is that the Boredoms once stayed >in my apartment for about 4 days. They are about the most quiet >peaceful people I ever met in my life. I thought they'd be very loud. >Yoshimi had a cute little Guinea Pig. Eye sleeps about 18 hours a day, >so I hardly got to even say hello to him. They were opening for Sonic >Youth in Cleveland, and Sonic Youth was headed up to Canada and the Small World. That was the first time I ever saw the Boredoms live. Being a Hanatarash and Boredoms fan for years, I was psyched to discover they were playing 4 dates opening for Sonic Youth in the Northeast. Since I was flush with frequent flyer miles at the time, me and my partner flew from Oakland to Cleveland to see that show. It was outstanding, especially given that most of the audience had NO idea what they were about to experience (Sonic Youth had their big commercial radio hit about this time). Watching Yoshikawa bouncing off of Eye and playing effects taped to a pizza box was amazing. Within the first 30 seconds of the first song, the audience went from stunned silence into a frenetic bouncing reminiscent of the old punk rock pogoing days (before slam dancing). One of the best live shows I've ever experienced...and I'm not prone to such exclamations. mike -- rizzi@netcom.com -------------------------------------- www.browbeat.com "Another nerd with a soulpatch" -------- browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 ------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: Re: Pieces Date: 01 Sep 1997 23:48:30 -0700 (PDT) A Million Miles Ago Jeff Spirer, demi-God and Icon sez: > >He has three releases under his own name. The first, on Avant, is >_Bucketheadland_, and is goofy and masturbatory. Speaking of which, I saw a used copy of this double CD at Amoeba Music in Berkeley for $24 yesterday. mike the record scout rizzi@netcom.com -------------------------------------- www.browbeat.com "Another nerd with a soulpatch" -------- browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 ------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Bucketheadland Date: 02 Sep 1997 19:06:12 +1000 >He has three releases under his own name. The first, on Avant, is >_Bucketheadland_, and is goofy and masturbatory. Speaking of how masturbatory this is, I was looking at cdnow and saw an up and coming release called "Buckethead Land" - anyone know if there's any difference? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Baron & Bowie? Date: 02 Sep 1997 21:07:22 +1000 Was anyone aware that Joey Baron played on David Bowie's album "Outside"? If this is common knowledge, can someone tell me what sort of playing was involved, and whether he made any other albums with Bowie... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJOERN Subject: Re: Baron & Bowie? Date: 02 Sep 1997 15:39:30 +0200 (MESZ) i realized that some days before a masada show in april......i took that CD to the gig to get it signed by baron and asked him about it...... as far as i remember he just did a few pieces on the album and never played on any other bowie record.... BJOERN On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Julian wrote: > Was anyone aware that Joey Baron played on David Bowie's album "Outside"? > If this is common knowledge, can someone tell me what sort of playing was > involved, and whether he made any other albums with Bowie... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: Third Rail Date: 02 Sep 1997 10:13:46 -0400 > Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:13:23 -0700 > From: Jeff Spirer > Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #114 > > At 12:47 AM 8/31/97 -0400, Perfect Sound Forever wrote: > > >the second time TR has had a show cancelled in a month in New York- there > >was one that was supposed to happen at Tramps a month ago that was > >cancelled because they hadn't sold any advanced tickets. > > This is not why the show was cancelled. The show had been cancelled before > the ads ran. My apologies- my sources screwed up. I do know that there were ads in the papers for both shows before they were cancelled. What actually happened then? > >Also sad since > >the show's they've done in California are supposed to have been great. > > Well the San Francisco show was certainly great. Bill didn't seem as > enthusiastic about the one in LA, which I missed. Nevertheless, seeing Ulmer, Laswell and Worrell in a group would still be great even on an 'off' night. Having the Last Poets on the same bill would make it even more exciting. I really hope they do get a chance to do a show here in New York. Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever Warped Perspectives on All Types of Music perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis summers Subject: more on Frith-Zorn during the Parachute sessions Date: 02 Sep 1997 08:43:31 -0600 Wow, what an interesting exchange. Being into Henry Cow, long before I was into Zorn, but liking Zorn better ---this was really enlightening. Issues of "accurate history" aside, can we take the Masada music as a political statement, and does this imply some change on Zorn's part? Also, and I know that everyone does not agree with me, I find this interesting because I feel that the Zorn/Frith disc is one of his weakest. yours in zornocity --ds ***Quantum Dance Works*** ****http://ic.net/~denniss**** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Your Name Subject: Re: Baron & Bowie? Date: 02 Sep 1997 13:24:53 -0400 BJOERN wrote: > > i realized that some days before a masada show in april......i took that > CD to the gig to get it signed by baron and asked him about it...... > as far as i remember he just did a few pieces on the album and never > played on any other bowie record.... > Don't know if he's on any other Bowie albums, but he did play on the tour (at least at the show in D.C.). I always thought it was pretty common knowledge....the Washington Post made a point of mentioning his inclusion in both the album review and the concert review, and they are often pretty clueless about less mainstream artists. Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Brunelle" Subject: Re: (amb) third rail Date: 02 Sep 1997 11:22:07 PDT My brother-in-law's sister works for the booking agent at Irving Plaza and she told me last week that the Third Rail show was cancelled due to lack of advance ticket sales. I hope that maybe they'll just move it to another venue, like the Knitting Factory. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Brunelle" Subject: Re: Pieces Date: 02 Sep 1997 11:25:47 PDT >A Million Miles Ago Jeff Spirer, demi-God and Icon sez: >> >>He has three releases under his own name. The first, on Avant, is >>_Bucketheadland_, and is goofy and masturbatory. > > Speaking of which, I saw a used copy of this double > CD at Amoeba Music in Berkeley for $24 yesterday. > Buckethead had been selling copies also, for $20.00 (i think) plus shipping. I don't know if he still has any, though. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Pieces Date: 02 Sep 1997 15:57:35 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-09-02 02:50:58 EDT, rizzi@netcom.com writes: > > > >He has three releases under his own name. The first, on Avant, is > >_Bucketheadland_, and is goofy and masturbatory. > > Speaking of which, I saw a used copy of this double > CD at Amoeba Music in Berkeley for $24 yesterday. > Buckethead sells them himself for like 22 dollars, new. If you go to his official website, I think there is an order form there, and you can also order his other cd's, and some cassette only releases. Jody ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: more on Frith-Zorn during the Parachute sessions Date: 02 Sep 1997 16:30:33 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, dennis summers wrote: > Wow, what an interesting exchange. Agreed. Thanks for posting this, Patrice. > Issues of > "accurate history" aside, can we take the Masada music as a political > statement, and does this imply some change on Zorn's part? Maybe, maybe not. The talk about politics was joking enough that I'm not sure how to take Zorn's comments. There's certainly something political about Masada. but there's also something political about allowing improvisers a great deal of freedom within a compositional structure. Perhaps the difference between Zorn's politics and Cow's is summed up by the difference netween the Gershom Scholem quote, which graces the covers of the Masada series and speaks of "a treasure hunt within tradition", and the John Grierson quote taken as a motto by Cow on _In Praise of Learning_: "Art is not a mirror -- It is a hammer" The latter suggests the certainty of an agenda (although it's vague about which one). The former suggests a refusal to accept any orthodoxy. There's a tension between the two. In fairness to Cow, Frith's comments in the exchange Patrice posted suggest that their agenda mandated an absolute openness to self-criticism. But their work is sometimes marred by the unquestioning agitprop of the lyrics. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: (amb) third rail Date: 02 Sep 1997 17:22:09 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-09-02 14:39:18 EDT, ihvh@hotmail.com (David Brunelle) writes: > My brother-in-law's sister works for the booking agent at Irving Plaza > and she told me last week that the Third Rail show was cancelled due to > lack of advance ticket sales. I hope that maybe they'll just move it to > another venue, like the Knitting Factory. > Yes, this is a good idea. If you book a show in a larger venue like Irving Plaza or Tramps, and few (or no) advance tickets are sold, the promoter will get scared and cancel. And besides, Praxis drew less than 300 people at their last NYC show, so I think it would be wise for Third Rail to play a smaller venue. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: film-project (fwd) Date: 03 Sep 1997 00:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Thought I would forward this message I got...if anyone can help this dear man, please email him privately. thanks, mike >02.09.1997 > >Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, > >for the purpose of an avantgarde-film-project, which will take place in >Frankfurt/Main (Germany) in November/December 1997, we intend to present >several motion pictures in combination with the appropriate soundtracks >by John Zorn. In this case it is concerning the pictures „Elegant >Spanking“, „A Lot of Fun for the Evil One“, directed by Maria Beatty >and „Heretic. Jeux des Dames Cruelles“. >Our problem is, that we haven’t gotten the movies yet, but we already >have the music at our disposal. Our inquiries have all been unsuccessful >so far, thus we are trying to get some information to attain the >pictures via the web. > >The above-mentioned project is planned by the „Förderverein Film >Frankfurt am Main“ (Frankfurt Film Foundation), represented by the >musicologist Michael Rebhahn and the film-historian Dr. Harald >Englmeier, who is also the chairman of the foundation. > >If you know of any possibility of how to get the motion pictures, >we would be very grateful if you would contact us. > >Thank you very much for your consideration. > >Yours sincerely >Michael Rebhahn > >Please mail to: englmeier@isg.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DMB5561719@aol.com Subject: Microtonal music at the Trenton Avant Gard Festival. Date: 03 Sep 1997 10:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Just a quick note... I'll be performing my guitar synth. & tape work "The Tyranny of Equal Tempermant" at the Trenton Avant Gard Festival on Sept. 6, 1997. I should be playing at Joe's Mill Hill Bar sometime between 12 and 6pm. The synthesizer will be tuned in a harmonic series just intonation. For those interested in these kind of things, the prime limit of 37, but it could get higher. Special appearance by 7/6, the septimal third. I'll be improvising and on tape I'll be reading selections from Walter Piston's textbooks Harmony and Orchestration with analog and digital sound processing. Title from Harry Partch's Genesis of a Music. Let me know if you need directions. The festival is of course free. * . * . . D a v i d B e a r d s l e y .. dmb5561719@aol.com * * .. * ... .* .... *.. .. * I M M P & B i i n k! m u s i c * . . * .. .. * .. .. * . J u x t a p o s i t i o n Ezine * * . .. .* . .*.. . .. . . .*. . . . . .. * . http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * . . . . .. .*.. * . . . .* ..*. . .. . *. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: BUCKETHEAD/DISK show Date: 03 Sep 1997 08:19:23 -0700 Buckethead and DJ Disk will be performing at 205 Club in NYC next Tuesday, 9 September. That's at 205 Chrystie Street, corner of Stanton and Chrystie one block south of Houston. Ion will be recording for a live CD at this show. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Third Rail Date: 03 Sep 1997 09:52:29 -0700 At 06:32 PM 8/30/97 -0400, Sean Terwilliger wrote: >So! >It appears the TR have cancelled their NY gig on 9/12. Any news of a >re-schedual? Here is the story on the Third Rail concert. I wanted to get some details. The concert has been cancelled, and Irving Plaza was disappointed with advance ticket sales. However, advance ticket sales for the show in San Francisco were extremely low (the club wanted to cancel) but the show sold out. The show probably would have done well if they had let it happen. There have been some comparisons to the Praxis show, which didn't sell real well. The Praxis show was barely promoted, nobody knew where to get tickets (I got a lot of inquiries), the location was not particularly convenient or well-known. There is an effort going on to reschedule the concert at another venue. As soon as I hear there is some progress, I will post it here. Jeff Spirer Axiom Records: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Astarita" Subject: Re: Third Rail Date: 03 Sep 1997 18:46:57 -0500 > >It appears the TR have cancelled their NY gig on 9/12. Any news of a > >re-schedual? > > Here is the story on the Third Rail concert. I wanted to get some details. > > Speaking of Third Rail.... i found (the disk) to be a major disappointment ! Other than a few cuts, it seemed like a rather pedestrian stab at funk/blues/rock....arrgghh ! Ulmer's latest "Plays The Music of Ornette" is much more rewarding...for example.... glenn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Third Rail Date: 03 Sep 1997 23:05:17 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Glenn Astarita wrote: > > Speaking of Third Rail.... i found (the disk) to be a major > disappointment ! Other than a few cuts, it seemed like a rather pedestrian > stab at funk/blues/rock....arrgghh ! Ulmer's latest "Plays The Music of > Ornette" is much more rewarding...for example.... Hmmm... I was pleasantly surprised myself, given how much I hated _America - Do You Remember the Love?_. I definitely think, in terms of quality of material and playing, it's Ulmer's best blues/rock-oriented work since _Odyssey_. And, while nothing he's done since _Odyssey_ has been really groundbreaking, I'd rate the recent Music Revelation Ensemble albums much higher than the Ornette tribute as jazz-oriented work. The playing just seems more intense, and the ensembles more integrated. I do think Ulmer's work has suffered in general since he started separating the various strands of his music into genre-oriented records. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: choltby@cln.etc.bc.ca (Holtby) Subject: New Misha Mengelberg Trio Date: 03 Sep 1997 21:15:39 -0700 (PDT) -Being a large fan of Mengelberg's "Who's Bridge" trio recording with Joey Baron and Brad Jones, I was delighted to see that Cadence's center section offers a new Mengelberg trio disc entitled "No Idea". Apparently Mengelberg has switched from Avant to DIW for this one, and, while retaining Joey Baron, has replaced Jones with G. Cohen. Begore biting the bullet, I wonder if anyone has heard this and might give a recommendation. Are these Mengelberg compositions? Thanks- Doug H. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: preZorn Date: 04 Sep 1997 16:16:11 +1000 Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on (in the way of jazz or experimental music) in New York before the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Horvitz etc.? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Jukins Subject: Parachute Years Box Set Date: 04 Sep 1997 07:52:22 -0400 Hi all, FYI, the Parachute years box can be pre-ordered at www.cdnow.com. It costs $89.95 plus shipping. -Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Third Rail Date: 04 Sep 1997 07:24:09 -0700 At 06:46 PM 9/3/97 -0500, Glenn Astarita wrote: > Speaking of Third Rail.... i found (the disk) to be a major >disappointment ! Other than a few cuts, it seemed like a rather pedestrian >stab at funk/blues/rock....arrgghh ! This seems to be one of those albums that draws reactions like this or the polar opposite. I think it is its minimalism. I liked it as soon as I heard it because it instantly reminded me of Booker T and the MGs (!), a favorite band when I was a kid. The live show in San Francisco was quite a contrast, so if the play in NYC, impressions of the disc should not keep anyone from going. It was a blistering funk show, much more dense that the CD, with Blood grinding ecstasy out of his guitar. The high point was a cover of Portishead (another !) that Amina sang. Jeff Spirer Axiom Records: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ôø Subject: Re: preZorn Date: 04 Sep 1997 13:18:37 -0500 Julian wrote: > > Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on (in the way of jazz or > experimental music) in New York before the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Horvitz > etc.? Where to start?.....Zorn showed up on the scene in the late 70's, so, I'd have to mention The East Village club Sluggs; home to Sun Ra, Pharoah Sanders, Albert Ayler, Sonny Sharrock...Also, Sam Rivers loft, I believe it was called Studio Rivbea?, Columbia University's Radio Station WKCR, did a lot of live broadcasts back then. You might want to check out Valerie Wilmers book "As serious as your Life" for a good overview of this stuff. As far as experimental music, I would mention Cage, Subotnick, Labarbara, and especially Moondog, one of the most interesting characters ever to prowl the streets of Manhattan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent Burton Subject: Rivbea Date: 04 Sep 1997 16:20:23 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, =F4=F8 wrote: > =09Where to start?.....Zorn showed up on the scene in the late 70's, so, > I'd have to mention The East Village club Sluggs; home to Sun Ra, > Pharoah Sanders, Albert Ayler, Sonny Sharrock...Also, Sam Rivers loft, I > believe it was called Studio Rivbea?, Columbia University's Radio > Station WKCR, did a lot of live broadcasts back then.=20 Another great way to get a handle on the downtown loft scene that=20 preceded Zorn's emergence is to check out Douglas Records "Wildflower"=20 series, which were all recorded @ Sam Rivers' loft. The one I have=20 features tracks from David Murray, Julius Hemphill, Anthony Braxton,=20 Jimmy Lyons, Hamiet Bluiett and Oliver Lake. These haven't been=20 reissued that I know of, but sometimes you can find 'em for cheap and=20 I bet that there is an entire collection to be found on this list (if=20 only for taping purposes). b ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Frisell dates Date: 04 Sep 1997 17:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Here are some Bill Frisell dates, if anyone's interested. PAUL MOTIAN TRIO FEATURING BILL FRISELL & JOE LOVANO Tues Sept. 16 thru Sun. Sept. 21 Village Vanguard, NYC BILL FRISELL QUARTET (w/ RON MILES, CURTIS FOWLKES & EYVIND KANG) Wed, Sept. 24 Harn Museum, Gainesville, FL Thur, Sept. 25 Variety Playhouse, Atlanta, GA Fri, Sept. 26 Laurel Theater, Knoxville, TN Sun, Sept. 28 Outpost, Albuquerque, NM Mon, Sept. 29 Outpost, Albuquerque, NM Wed, Oct. 1 Santa Fe Music Hall, Santa Fe, NM Fri, Oct. 3 Boulder Theater, Boulder, CO Sat, Oct. 4 Bates Recital Hall, UT Austin, TX JOEY BARON'S DOWN HOME BAND feat. BILL FRISELL, ARTHUR BLYTHE & RON CARTER Wed & Thu, Oct. 15 &16 Knitting Factory, NYC BILL FRISELL'S NASHVILLE TRIO feat. JERRY DOUGLAS & VIKTOR KRAUSS Wed, Oct. 22 Caffe Milano, Nashville, TN Thur, Oct. 23 The Walker, Minneapolis, MN Fri, Oct. 24 Museum of Our Nat'l Heritage, Lexington, MA Sat, Oct. 25 St. Ann's, Brooklyn, NY BILL FRISELL / JOEY BARON DUO Sat, Nov. 1 Fasching Club, Stockholm, SWEDEN Mon, Nov. 3 Sardinen USF, Bergen, NORWAY Tues, Nov. 4 Sting, Stavenger, NORWAY Wed, Nov. 5 Jazz House, Copenhagen, DENMARK Thu, Nov. 6 Vooruit Arts Centre, Gent, BELGIUM Sat, Nov. 8 Bimbuls, Amsterdam, HOLLAND Sun, Nov. 9 pending Koln, GERMANY Mon, Nov. 10 pending The Hague, HOLLAND Tues, Nov. 11 pending Firenze, ITALY Wed, Nov. 12 pending Catanzaro, ITALY Thur, Nov. 13 Strasbourg, FRANCE Fri, Nov. 14 Nevers, FRANCE Sat, Nov. 15 Belfast, NORTHERN IRELAND ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Frisell dates Date: 04 Sep 1997 17:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Here are some Bill Frisell dates, if anyone's interested. PAUL MOTIAN TRIO FEATURING BILL FRISELL & JOE LOVANO Tues Sept. 16 thru Sun. Sept. 21 Village Vanguard, NYC BILL FRISELL QUARTET (w/ RON MILES, CURTIS FOWLKES & EYVIND KANG) Wed, Sept. 24 Harn Museum, Gainesville, FL Thur, Sept. 25 Variety Playhouse, Atlanta, GA Fri, Sept. 26 Laurel Theater, Knoxville, TN Sun, Sept. 28 Outpost, Albuquerque, NM Mon, Sept. 29 Outpost, Albuquerque, NM Wed, Oct. 1 Santa Fe Music Hall, Santa Fe, NM Fri, Oct. 3 Boulder Theater, Boulder, CO Sat, Oct. 4 Bates Recital Hall, UT Austin, TX JOEY BARON'S DOWN HOME BAND feat. BILL FRISELL, ARTHUR BLYTHE & RON CARTER Wed & Thu, Oct. 15 &16 Knitting Factory, NYC BILL FRISELL'S NASHVILLE TRIO feat. JERRY DOUGLAS & VIKTOR KRAUSS Wed, Oct. 22 Caffe Milano, Nashville, TN Thur, Oct. 23 The Walker, Minneapolis, MN Fri, Oct. 24 Museum of Our Nat'l Heritage, Lexington, MA Sat, Oct. 25 St. Ann's, Brooklyn, NY BILL FRISELL / JOEY BARON DUO Sat, Nov. 1 Fasching Club, Stockholm, SWEDEN Mon, Nov. 3 Sardinen USF, Bergen, NORWAY Tues, Nov. 4 Sting, Stavenger, NORWAY Wed, Nov. 5 Jazz House, Copenhagen, DENMARK Thu, Nov. 6 Vooruit Arts Centre, Gent, BELGIUM Sat, Nov. 8 Bimbuls, Amsterdam, HOLLAND Sun, Nov. 9 pending Koln, GERMANY Mon, Nov. 10 pending The Hague, HOLLAND Tues, Nov. 11 pending Firenze, ITALY Wed, Nov. 12 pending Catanzaro, ITALY Thur, Nov. 13 Strasbourg, FRANCE Fri, Nov. 14 Nevers, FRANCE Sat, Nov. 15 Belfast, NORTHERN IRELAND ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: preZorn Date: 04 Sep 1997 19:15:03 -0800 >Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:16:11 +1000 >From: "Julian" >Subject: preZorn > >Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on (in the way of jazz or >experimental music) in New York before the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Horvitz >etc.? Other people have already covered the improvised music scene pretty well, so I'll just limit my comments to the experimental side of things Non-academic new music composers active before Zorn included folks associated with John Cage, both composers writing for "classical instruments like Morton Feldman, Christian Wolff, etc. & those creating pieces for live elctronics like David Tudor, the MEVgang (Alvin Curran, Richard Teitelbaum) minimalists (including lots of people who didn't & still don't use repetitive patterns), Robert Ashley & people associated with the 1960s ONCE group and/or the Center for Contemporary Music in Bay area during the 1970s (many recording on the label Lovely Music document these folks). Performing venues in NY included Experimental Intermedia Foundation (still sctive in the same place on Centre St in Chinatown) the Kitchen (now in Chelsea), and lots of loft spaces that don't exist anymore. While Roulette may be best known as a venue for downtown improvisors, it also presented many composers & performers who had (& still have) little to do with this scene. Some libraries will have a couple of books that cover this material: the Voice of New Music by Tom Johnson (composer & critic for the Village Voice), published by Apollohuis in Eindhoven, the Netherlands. & Experimental Music by Michael Nyman, published by Schirmer, I think. The current Village Voice new music critic, Kyle Gann, has a forthcoming book that sounds like it will deal with this in part, though unlike the Johnson book, it isnt' a collection of columns from the Voice. Looking at the new music scene in NY in reference to the downtown improvisors skews things to the extent that there was, and continues to be, a prety strong scene there that existed prior to the arrival of this set of folks. Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia) Subject: Zorn Scores? Date: 04 Sep 1997 21:11:01 -0700 Greetings: I am involved in a newly formed contemporary music ensemble that is attempting to bring the work of composers of the last 20-30 years to the ears of America's heartland. (Greeley, Colorado to be exact.) I have a particular interest in bringing the works of the more cutting edge "underground" New York composers to light. Does anybody know if there are any Zorn scores available? I remember somebody on the list saying that they had the scores to a game piece or two. Are there "scores" available for any of the Cobra stuff or perhaps Bar Kokhba/Masada Chamber Ensemble scores floating around out there? We would also be interested in scores of Wayne Horwitz's music, Bill Laswell's music, Joey Baron's music (e.g. _Raised Pleasure Dot_), etc. If anyone has access to this type of material or knows where I might be able to find it, I would be much in your debt if you would e-mail me to let me know. Our first date is set for Oct. 12, and it would be great to have at least one Zorn piece on this concert. Thanks, Doug Tapia General Manager, MTP UNC Music Tech Press University of Northern Colorado Fraiser 108 Greeley, CO 80639 Voice: 970-351-2614 Fax: 970-351-1923 Email: mtp@unoco.edu http://arts.univnorthco.edu/mtp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Frisell dates Date: 04 Sep 1997 23:31:24 -0400 IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote: > JOEY BARON'S DOWN HOME BAND feat. BILL FRISELL, ARTHUR BLYTHE & RON > CARTER > Wed & Thu, Oct. 15 &16 Knitting Factory, NYC I got a look at the September/October Knitting Factory program guide today (pathetic skimpy skinny little thing...) and I noticed that while Frisell and Carter are confirmed, the saxophonist is listed as TBA. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: preZorn Date: 05 Sep 1997 00:35:46 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Herb Levy wrote: > the MEVgang (Alvin Curran, > Richard Teitelbaum) Can someone point me towards more information on these guys? I'm aware of recent work by Curran and Teitelbaum, but my only familiarity with MEV is a short film of a late-60's performance which really knowcked me on my ass. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Rivbea Date: 05 Sep 1997 00:30:41 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Brent Burton wrote: > Another great way to get a handle on the downtown loft scene that > preceded Zorn's emergence is to check out Douglas Records "Wildflower" > series, which were all recorded @ Sam Rivers' loft. The one I have > features tracks from David Murray, Julius Hemphill, Anthony Braxton, > Jimmy Lyons, Hamiet Bluiett and Oliver Lake. These haven't been > reissued that I know of, but sometimes you can find 'em for cheap and > I bet that there is an entire collection to be found on this list (if > only for taping purposes). These were issued on CD in 1995 by a label called Gravity. The volume I own doesn't have an address, I'm afraid, but it appears to be a French label. More readily available are two recent DIW's, _Hell's Kitchen_ and _Back on 52nd Street_, both part of the "Live from Soundscape" series. These were recorded later (_Hell's Kitchen_ 1978-1983, _Back on 52nd Street_ 1980-1981; _Wildflowers_ is from 1976) and so don't really predate Zorn's emergence. But they do convey a similar sense of what the loft scene was like. (I don't know how authentic that sense is, as I wasn't there.) _Hell's Kitchen_ also features Don Cherry soloing for eight minutes on a stalagmite in Mammoth Cave. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: preZorn Date: 05 Sep 1997 00:40:17 -0400 (EDT) In addition to the jazz stuff mentioned by others, I'd highly recommend checking out Air, who were really great and I gather made a big impact on the NYC scene in the mid-70's. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: preZorn Date: 04 Sep 1997 22:32:26 -0700 (PDT) On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote: > Can someone point me towards more information on these guys? unfortunately, i don't know much about MEV (would like to know more!), but i do knwo there is a CD from an old performance that is available through Anomalous and Forced Exposure. hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: joshua herrin Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #116 Date: 05 Sep 1997 01:05:29 -0600 Jody wrote: > Buckethead sells them himself for like 22 dollars, new. If you go > to his official website, I think there is an order form there, and > you can also order his other cd's, and some cassette only releases. Where is his official website located? I did a net search for about 20 minutes and found nothing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Marks" Subject: Re: Official Buckethead Web site Date: 05 Sep 1997 07:48:08 -0400 http://www.spiderwerks.com/bucketheadland/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Terwilliger Subject: RMB Date: 05 Sep 1997 08:59:44 -0400 Hey! Following is an excerpt from rec.music.bluenote from a thread about the attitude of big chain record store employees. > > > >"This is Memphis Slim, Lonnie Johnson, Lightnin' Hopkins. They're > >hardly obscure." I should have apologized that these discs weren't > >European electronica/trance/dub remixes of something I already bought > >last month, i.e., the sort of music Tower likes to blast over their > >sound systems to ensure brief visits by anyone under twenty. > > Hey, you can thank Laswell for some of this. Really hard shit to be open minded > about... Geez, these folks are such narrow minded a**holes. This follows another thread about how bad it is to do dub remixes of "classic" jazz. Anybody wonder about whether Coltrane's version of My Favorite Things (for example) was an expansion of an existing "classic"? How about the myriad of other "classic" jazz tunes that are in fact reworkings of older tunes? That sure seems OK. I wonder if Bill hired a band to replay these Miles tracks in dub, if the rmb elite would think it was ok. Happily, someone responded to the dreck above: >(In best Ronald Reagan voice)-- "Well, there you go again, George..." > >C'mon. Cut this ridiculous crap out. Really. C'mon. > >(This time as Tina Turner [the most happening looking 50ish/nearly 60ish >woman on Earth])-- >"What's Laswell, got to do, got to do with it?" >"What's Laswell, but a Jazz-Re-cord-Produ-cer?..." > >C'mon man. Laswell has nothing to do with "spoiling the musical tastes of >America". >And he has nothing whatsoever to do with bad management and customer >service at Virgin, Tower, Sam Goody, or Media Play. He really doesn't. > It's really too bad. I used to enjoy reading that group. THere ware some open minded folks there, and one could learn alot about the music. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent Burton Subject: MEV Date: 05 Sep 1997 12:29:09 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote: > > Can someone point me towards more information on these guys? I think some of MEV's music is featured in the film "Zabriske Point," although they aren't on the actual soundtrack album. I also know that MEV member Richard Teitelbaum has also released some rekkids with Anthony Braxton. b ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: preZorn Date: 05 Sep 1997 12:41:52 -0400 >Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 13:18:37 -0500 >From: tx >Subject: Re: preZorn > >Julian wrote: >> >> Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on (in the way of jazz or >> experimental music) in New York before the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Horvitz >> etc.? > You might want to check out Valerie Wilmers book "As serious as your >Life" for a good overview of this stuff. God yes! This is one of the best books about music that I've ever read- great stories, details and history everywhere. The only thing I could ask for is an updated edition. Recently, she did an excellent article about Sun Ra in the lastest issue of the Wire. Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: RMB Date: 05 Sep 1997 13:49:29 -0400 (EDT) On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Sean Terwilliger wrote: > I wonder if Bill hired a band to replay > these Miles tracks in dub, if the rmb elite would think it was ok. I imagine many of them probably would. Most RMBers seem to like to think of the recording process as transparent. I was especially amused by the guy on the other thread you mentioned who wrote something like, "Dub's fine, but wouldn't you rather hear an original piece of that kind of music?" An exceptional case of cluelessness. I do still find RMB a good source of info on jazz, though, as long as I stay away from the obvious hot buttons (Laswell, electric Miles, Marsalis). Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Zora_Simon@MBnet.MB.CA Subject: painkiller re-release Date: 05 Sep 1997 16:20:40 -0500 (CDT) I've been putting off buying Painkiller's Execution Ground album ever since I started hearing rumours that it was going to be re-released in a three disc format on the Tzadik label. It's been a while since I heard anything about this so I was wondering if anyone had any information regarding weather or not it will see the light before the end of the year. Thanks, Jesse ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JoLaMaSoul@aol.com Subject: BCMA Fall Schedule, w/ Cul de Sac's Faust soundtrack Date: 05 Sep 1997 19:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Hey folks! The Boston Creative Music Alliance is gearing up for an amazing Fall Season at our new location! Hope to see you at some if not all of the shows! Jonathan LaMaster BCMA & UnSound Productions The Boston Creative Music Alliance, winner of a 1997 Best of Boston Award for its New Histories music series at the ICA, is pleased to announce an expanded season of programming in a new venue. The fall season includes a special monthly series featuring Boston-area performers, as well as concerts by Marty Ehrlich and the Dark Woods Ensemble, and the Equal Interest trio, featuring Joseph Jarman, Leroy Jenkins, and Myra Melford, and the Dave Douglas Sextet. All concerts will take place at the Dante Alighieri Society Cultural Center at 41 Hampshire St., Cambridge. Conveniently located at the corner of Hampshire and Portland St., near the Kendall Square cinema complex and the pubs and restaurants at One Kendall Square, the Center seats more than 200 in an intimate performance space designed by world-renowned architect, Pietro Belluschi. Only a five minute walk from the Kendall Square stop on the Red Line, the Dante also had free parking in its adjoining lot. "We are very pleased with our new home," says BCMA Director Gillian Levine, "The Dante Alighieri Center is a beautiful facility with acoustic qualities that are especially well suited to the kinds of bands we like to present." All concerts will begin at 8pm. Tickets for the Boston Series are $10. Tickets for all other concerts are $15. Tickets are available in advance at Twisted Village, 12 Elliot St., Cambridge. (617) 354-6898. For further information, photographs and press kits, call the BCMA (617) 868-3172. The BCMA Fall 1997 season includes: Boston Series Thursday, September 11. Cul de Sac play a their soundtrack to the silent film classic "Faust", by F.W. Murnau. Instrumental rock-based improvisation from an iconoclastic quartet featuring Robin Amos on synthesizer; Chris Fujiwara on bass; Glenn Jones on guitar; and Michael Knoblach on drums. Boston Series. Sunday, October 5. The Dave Bryant Quintet featuring George Garzone. The concert debut of a dynamic harmolodic quintet led by the keyboardist for Ornette Coleman and Prime Time. The band features saxophonist George Garzone, bassist John Turner, and drummers Chris Bowman and Bob Gullotti. November 1. Marty Ehrlich and the Dark Woods Ensemble. In their Boston debut, Ehrlich's chamber jazz ensemble, featuring cellist Eric Friedlander and bassist Mark Helias, will play material from their recently released double CD Live Wood (Music & Arts), recorded live during their 1996 European tour. November 7. Equal Interest, featuring saxophonist Joseph Jarman, violinist Leroy Jenkins, and pianist Myra Melford (Last heard in a sellout BCMA concert with her own quintet, The Same River, Twice). The Boston debut of a collaborative trio of new music masters whose self-titled CD debut, with Lindsey Horner and Jeffry Shanzer is due in October from Ocean Records. Boston Series. Thursday, November 13. Kobold. Saxophonist Steve Norton, trombonist Tom Plsek, bassist Craig Schildhauer, and drummer Laurence Cook celebrate the release of their debut CD on Eighth Day Records. Wednesday, December 3, Dave Douglas Sextet. New music phenomenon Douglas, impressive in his appearance with John Zorn's Masada at last year's BCMA concert at the ICA, now brings his own sextet, featuring saxophonist Chris Speed, trombonist Josh Roseman, pianist Uri Caine, bassist James Genus, and drummer Ben Perowsky, for their Boston debut. Their new CD, Stargazer, a tribute to Wayne Shorter, is scheduled for release in October. Exploring the jazz tradition fresh, creative approach to the jazz tradition of the 1960s. Boston series. Thursday December 11. Either/Orchestra. The BCMA is proud to present the first Boston appearance by the Either/Orchestra in a year. A corner stone of new music in Boston and one of the leading big bands in the US, this 10-piece ensemble . The Boston Creative Music Alliance, a nonprofit corporation dedicated to presenting new improvised music, gratefully acknowledges the support of the Englehard Foundation, anonymous private donations,. Funded in part by a grant from the New England Foundation for the Arts, and Meet the Composer, Inc., with support from the Metropolitan Life Foundation and ASCAP, with additional support from the Massachusetts Cultural Council, and the National Endowment for the Arts. Design consultants: Tabula Rasa. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: Rivbea Date: 05 Sep 1997 21:51:37 -0400 Christopher Hamilton wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Brent Burton wrote: > > > Another great way to get a handle on the downtown loft scene that > > preceded Zorn's emergence is to check out Douglas Records "Wildflower" > > series, which were all recorded @ Sam Rivers' loft. The one I have > > features tracks from David Murray, Julius Hemphill, Anthony Braxton, > > Jimmy Lyons, Hamiet Bluiett and Oliver Lake. These haven't been > > reissued that I know of, but sometimes you can find 'em for cheap and > > I bet that there is an entire collection to be found on this list (if > > only for taping purposes). > > These were issued on CD in 1995 by a label called Gravity. The volume I > own doesn't have an address, I'm afraid, but it appears to be a French > label. More readily available are two recent DIW's, _Hell's Kitchen_ and > _Back on 52nd Street_, both part of the "Live from Soundscape" series. > These were recorded later (_Hell's Kitchen_ 1978-1983, _Back on 52nd > Street_ 1980-1981; _Wildflowers_ is from 1976) and so don't really predate > Zorn's emergence. But they do convey a similar sense of what the loft > scene was like. (I don't know how authentic that sense is, as I wasn't > there.) _Hell's Kitchen_ also features Don Cherry soloing for eight > minutes on a stalagmite in Mammoth Cave. > > Chris Hamilton one of those 'Live From soundscape' albums has a recording of an improvisation by George Lewis and Derek Bailey which I really like. Those are some cool albums. Ed Blackwell is on one and Don Cherry etc. -Tom Pratt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tkorpipa@siba.fi Subject: Re: preZorn Date: 06 Sep 1997 15:43:48 +0200 (GMT+0200) On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Julian wrote: > Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on (in the way of jazz or > experimental music) in New York before the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Horvitz > etc.? there's a book what compiles articles/reviews of some guy (forgot the name) who (used to?) write to village voice... the title? forgot... i know i'm all too helpful today... :) 'writings about new music' or something pretty boring... but it was a great book. a slight emphasis towards minimalism - reich, glass, brancha, chatham, la monte young all get covered - althought non-minimalist artists like zorn appear on later articles. i loaned it from somewhere long time ago. hmmm, better dig it up. has some quite entertaining stuff, quite long article about music on pinball machines for example... teemu, i think... :::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::: ruumen: http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html ::::::::::::::: 'You only got one finger left and it's pointing at the door' - beck - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #117 Date: 06 Sep 1997 09:52:55 -0400 At 07:39 PM 9/5/97 -0600, you wrote: > >Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:15:03 -0800 >From: Herb Levy >Subject: Re: preZorn > >Some libraries will have a couple of books that cover this material: the >Voice of New Music by Tom Johnson (composer & critic for the Village >Voice), published by Apollohuis in Eindhoven, the Netherlands. & >Experimental Music by Michael Nyman, published by Schirmer, I think. The >current Village Voice new music critic, Kyle Gann, has a forthcoming book >that sounds like it will deal with this in part, though unlike the Johnson >book, it isnt' a collection of columns from the Voice. Great info here. Do you have these books? Which artists are described there? I would also recommend John Rockwell's ALL-AMERICAN MUSIC. It features chapters on Milton Babbitt, Elliott Carter, John Cage, Robert Ashley, David Behrman, Max Neuhaus and others. Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Edward Kocol Subject: Re: rec.music.bluenote Date: 06 Sep 1997 09:12:30 -0700 > It's really too bad. I used to enjoy reading that group. THere ware some > open minded folks there, and one could learn alot about the music. You know, I have never checked out that newsgroup, but if the content was how you put it, I don't plan on doing it anytime soon. :) However, the term "open-mined" can be very much misunderstood. How I like to see it, and maybe others do to, is that you'll at least give something a chance BEFORE you either love it to death or can't stand it and feel the need to put it down (even though I am not for insulting anyone's artistic expression). I DON'T see open-minded as being required by some unwritten rule that you have to like EVERYTHING. No one can be rightfully EXPECTED to like everything. There is music that is out there that I cannot stand, yet how did I get that way? Well, I carefully listened and payed attention, and through that form of "research" I found my reasons for not liking it, and that's the end of it. Some of us who enjoy music that either pushes the limits or experiments choose to call others that don't enjoy what we like close-minded. That, I believe, is just writing them off. Sure, most people don't give it a chance, and there's your close-mindedness, but for those who DID hear it first and then decided, no one can persecute them for trying. At least they did the music a favor by giving it a listen. Sorry if this is considered a rant, but I think it's something that may need to be addressed and thought about. Take care all. -Jason http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/2569/Suburban.html http://members.tripod.com/~misterlazy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: André Godin Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #117 Date: 06 Sep 1997 14:19:09 -0300 > In addition to the jazz stuff mentioned by others, I'd highly recommend > checking out Air, who were really great and I gather made a big impact on > the NYC scene in the mid-70's. > > Chris Hamilton I'v been wanting to check out Air ever since I discovered their leader Henry Threadgill a few years back. I read that they use to tune their drums to specific notes in order to play melodicaly. Anyways, anyone known if their stuff has been rereleased on cd? And if so, who distributes it? Andre Godin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: penwaves@mindspring.com (joel lewis) Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #116 Date: 06 Sep 1997 14:44:16 -0400 (EDT) > >Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on (in the way of jazz or >experimental music) in New York before the likes of Zorn, Frisell, Horvitz >etc.? yowie! big subject.... but the main venue in the mid-seventies was the Kitchen, where zorn often played.... biggies were steve reich and philip glass who played often and cheaply (saw reich's music for 18 musicians for free at old custom house in '78)... jazz was struggling in the period, but there was a big loft jazz scene in noho at ladies's fort sam rivers' studio rivbea and others-- david murray geys his start here (stanley crouch was playing drums w/ him at the time!).. this scene was a definite influence on downtown boys as the loft scene were definite d.iy. types w/ their ownlabels and concert promtions.. and let's not forget glen branca and the whole scene around john cage that included folks like philip corner, etc.... also cage himself-- saw his 65th b'day concert at whitnet where two works were premiered (tickets: 2 dollars!!) bottom l;line was that there was much availible stuff if you knew where to look,, in fact, my best emory of zorn in the period was his working at the soho music gallery , a record store on broome street, as his music was not paying the bills at the time..... zorn has often talked about how exciting the non-trad music scene of the 70's was.... joellewis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ôô Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #116 Date: 06 Sep 1997 15:34:30 -0500 joel lewis wrote: > in fact, my best memory > of zorn in the period was his working at the soho music gallery , a > record store on broome street, as his music was not paying the bills > at the time... What a great store! besides the downtown stuff they had an amazing jazz section. I was allways able to find the latest OGUN Lp's there. I actually bought my copy of Archery from jz at SMG, and I remember Anton Fier working there too. Zorn was allways happy to point out recordings he was fond of, and make suggestions to those who asked. That store is definitly missed. Downtown Music is just too small to carry all the stuff SMG did, and Tower is the pits, although its worth noting that Guitarist Myles Boisen, and Bassist Melvin Gibbs both worked in the Tower Jazz dept, during the early 80's. Kind of ironic, given the ongoing thread (here and in rmb), about today's moronic record store employees. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Schwitterz Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #117 Date: 06 Sep 1997 13:47:11 -0700 Andr=E9 Godin wrote: > > In addition to the jazz stuff mentioned by others, I'd highly recomme= nd > > checking out Air, who were really great and I gather made a big impac= t on > > the NYC scene in the mid-70's. > > > > Chris Hamilton > > I'v been wanting to check out Air ever since I discovered their leader > Henry Threadgill a few years back. I read that they use to tune their > drums to specific notes in order to play melodicaly. Anyways, anyone > known if their stuff has been rereleased on cd? And if so, who > distributes it? > > Andre Godin When the going gets tough, I recommend Cadence Northcountry for tracking = things down. They have a wonderful person on staff, "Slim," whose job is to fin= d hard to find things. Phone: 315-287-2852 http://cadencebuilding.com Slim: cros@cadencebuilding.com orders: orders@cadencebuilding.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: max Subject: Rashaan Roland Kirk Date: 06 Sep 1997 19:32:49 -0400 It seems to me that Zorn must have been influenced by Kirk's attitude towards music, and his role in expanding the limits of traditional jazz. Has anyone read or heard interviews where Zorn lists him as an influence? Max ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: max Subject: Step Across the Border Date: 06 Sep 1997 20:11:53 -0400 Has Anyone seen this film? It has such a great soundtrack (Frith, Parkins, Cora, Laswell, Zorn, et. al.). Has it been released on video? Max ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: "downtown" Date: 07 Sep 1997 23:10:56 +1000 Thankyou very much to everyone who answered my question about the pre-Zorn era in New York. Now, I have a much shorter and probably simpler-to-answer question. Recently, I've been hearing a lot about the word "downtown". Is this term: - used to describe the area in New York - used to describe the music style or - both of the above...? And also, when did this term come into use? (sorry for all these lame questions, I'm doing research for a project.) Thanks, Research Boy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJOERN Subject: Re: Step Across the Border Date: 07 Sep 1997 15:36:40 +0200 (MESZ) > Has Anyone seen this film? It has such a great soundtrack (Frith, > Parkins, Cora, Laswell, Zorn, et. al.). Has it been released on video? > > Max > yepp here in germany it is available.......i dont know exactly what company released it but i`ll find out... BJOERN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rladew@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew) Subject: How do I subscribe to the Digest Format? Date: 07 Sep 1997 20:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Zorniacs: I need help. I cant read all these messages fast enough, and I need to turn over to the digest format. I would've emailed Mike Rizzi, but I lost the address. Please help!!! Much Respect, Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: katsuhiro hayasaka Subject: Re: Hidden picture in Duras:Duchamp Date: 08 Sep 1997 17:29:39 +0900 That is a Duchamp`s last work. See http://www.val.net/~tim/duchamp-aug96.html But I`m wondering, what is the meaning of ETANT DONNES ? -- katsuhiro hayasaka c9609238@mn.waseda.ac.jp Tokyo, Japan. cfinkle@YorkU.CA wrote >Hi, > >I just bought Duras:Duchamp today and enjoying it as well, when I saw >behind the CD holder some colours. I removed the holder to find a >picture of a naked woman (possibly dead) lying on the ground with a >candle in her hand. Just sharing info. > >Jeremy >Harry >CUSTOM T-CLUB >ctc@webpath.com >1-888-TEE-CLUB (1-888-533-2582) >Tel:(416)665-2116 Fax: (416)665-2485 >980 Alness St., Unit #30, >Toronto, Ontario, Canada. >M3J 2S2 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Speedfreaks Date: 09 Sep 1997 00:08:59 +1000 I've been listening to a great deal of Naked City lately, and showing some fellow listeners some of the more insane tracks, including Speedfreaks. Most of them ask me whether this song was done with editing or was it really just excellent playing. At first I thought well they're great musicians, they could handle those changes, since even I after a few listens could spot the changes and play along. But then I thought maybe they didn't put that much into the song, maybe they did just cut and paste. Does anyone know for sure, or have any really convincing (or interesting) theories? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David J. Strauss" Subject: Rhino charged Date: 08 Sep 1997 11:00:28 -0400 (EDT) > > Can someone point me towards more information on these guys? I think some of MEV's music is featured in the film "Zabriske Point," although they aren't on the actual soundtrack album. True. And Rhino just re-released the Zabriske soundtrack as a 2 CD set, with no MEV. In fact, the first disc actually has LESS music than the LP, as they don't include a Roy Orbison song that wasn't hip-pie enough. Rather than include MEV or more of John Fahey's unused improvisations (they may have dissappeared, actually), they dedicate the 2nd disc to out-takes by Jerry Garcia and Pink Floyd. At least they spent some money on the packaging. DS djs2852@is.nyu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike burma Subject: RE: Speedfreaks Date: 08 Sep 1997 09:39:12 -0700 >I've been listening to a great deal of Naked City lately, and showing some >fellow listeners some of the more insane tracks, including Speedfreaks. >Most of them ask me whether this song was done with editing or was it >really just excellent playing. >Does anyone know for sure, or have any really convincing (or interesting) >theories? At a live performance in San Francisco, they played 'Speedfreaks' perfectly. I just stood there with the bottom of my jaw touching the top of my shoes. Twas remarkable. burma ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mason Wendell Subject: Re: Speedfreaks Date: 08 Sep 1997 12:46:43 -0400 At 12:08 AM 9/9/97 +1000, you wrote: >I've been listening to a great deal of Naked City lately, and showing some >fellow listeners some of the more insane tracks, including Speedfreaks. >Most of them ask me whether this song was done with editing or was it >really just excellent playing. At first I thought well they're great >musicians, they could handle those changes, since even I after a few >listens could spot the changes and play along. But then I thought maybe >they didn't put that much into the song, maybe they did just cut and paste. >Does anyone know for sure, or have any really convincing (or interesting) >theories? > > > > None of the music that Naked City played was recorded using Cut'n'Paste-style overdubs. Including Speedfreaks. During rehearsal, the band would decide on specific arrangement points, (like who would play which particular line, what samples for Horvitz to play, etc) and and work the tune up to where they could play it in one go live or in he studio. NC, like Masada and unlike projcts like Spillane and Elegy, was Zorn's live band at the time. And what really makes the pieces work is that they are each played wholly and completly and not pieced together in the studio. Also, I'm putting my band Prelapse back together now. Those of you who've been on the list since the early days might remember us as the band that played the music of Naked City from Zorn's scores. Well, that's ezactly what we're doing now but we're also adding new original works of our own into the mix. So if anyone out there could give me a lead on any possible gigs in the northeast US, we'd really appreciate it. Mason Wendell Blinder- http://www.tiac.net/users/prelapse/blinder.html Sigmoid Flexure- Loud Free Improv Prelapse- the music of Naked City and new music for loud ensemble Freelance Computer Music Copying ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David J. Strauss" Subject: Rhino charged Date: 08 Sep 1997 13:23:01 -0400 (EDT) > > Can someone point me towards more information on these guys? > I think some of MEV's music is featured in the film "Zabriske Point," > although they aren't on the actual soundtrack album. True. And Rhino just re-released the Zabriske soundtrack as a 2 CD set, with no MEV. In fact, the first disc actually has LESS music than the LP, as they don't include a Roy Orbison song that wasn't hip-pie enough. Rather than include MEV or more of John Fahey's unused improvisations (they may have dissappeared, actually), they dedicate the 2nd disc to sub-par out-takes by Jerry Garcia and Pink Floyd. At least they spent some money on the packaging. DS djs2852@is.nyu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Schwitterz Subject: New York In Los Angeles Date: 08 Sep 1997 11:21:18 -0700 the owner of the Knitting Factory is guest DJ on KCRW [Santa Monica] even as I type...tomorrow Bill Laswell will be doing the same from 11am-noon... Sz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kevin cornish" Subject: masada 8 Date: 08 Sep 1997 22:10:46 +0100 hi all can anyone tell me where to get masada 8 on DIW lable on the internet cd now only sell on EVA lable many thanks kcornish@netcomuk.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Anthony 'Twizzler' Saunders" Subject: Re: Speedfreaks Date: 08 Sep 1997 18:44:11 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Julian wrote: > I've been listening to a great deal of Naked City lately... Always a good thing... > maybe they did just cut and paste. > Does anyone know for sure, or have any really convincing (or interesting) > theories? Well, someone I knew saw them live twice, and they pulled it off live, so I assume it was actually played. Its too smooth for 89 to be cut ups... I think... anthony (who just moved back to college and still owes people tapes, dreadfully sorry, I'll get right on it...) "You know, Arthur, when evil is afoot, and you don't have any arms, you've gotta use your head. And when evil is ahead and you're behind, you've gotta do the legwork. But, (dramatic pause) when you can't get a leg up, you gotta be hip. You gotta keep your chin up, and kick some..." "Tick, we get the idea." - "Armless not harmless" espisode of The Tick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Schwitterz Subject: pfMENTUM Date: 08 Sep 1997 22:51:15 -0700 For any interested SoCalifornians, and anyone else interested in newsletter discussions: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PRESS RELEASE RE: Ventura New Music Concert Series FROM: Co-Directors Jeff Kaiser and Keith McMullen We are pleased to announce the resurrection of the Ventura New Music Concert Series (VNMCS) and the inauguration of a newsletter designed to promote the series. VNMCS began under the direction of Mr. Kaiser in 1989. Over its initial 6 year existence, the series hosted world-class performances by West Coast artists in a variety of locations throughout Ventura, from Art City to City Hall. The series has focused on contemporary music, from chamber opera to creative improvised music. Following a two-year hiatus, we are excited to announce events upcoming. The newsletter, pfMENTUM, will be published prior to each performance and will provide information on upcoming events, interviews, and music-related editorials. We hope to stimulate interest in, and dialogue about, the continuing vitality of music in contemporary culture. Subscriptions are free. To receive the initial copy, please contact Jeff Kaiser in one of the following ways: Phone: 805/654-4082 Mail: PO Box 1653, Ventura CA 93002 E-Mail: pfmentum@aol.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The first performance will be in November...a double-quartet featuring Vinnie Golia on reeds, performing a composition by Jeff Kaiser...first newsletter mid-October... Sz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jacques Oger Subject: Re: New Misha Mengelberg Trio Date: 09 Sep 1997 10:03:02 +0200 (MET DST) >On Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:15:39 -0700 (PDT) >From: choltby@cln.etc.bc.ca (Holtby) > > -Being a large fan of Mengelberg's "Who's Bridge" trio recording >with Joey >Baron and Brad Jones, I was delighted to see that Cadence's center section >offers a new Mengelberg trio disc entitled "No Idea". Apparently Mengelberg >has switched from Avant to DIW for this one, and, while retaining Joey >Baron, has replaced Jones with G. Cohen. > > Begore biting the bullet, I wonder if anyone has heard this and >might give >a recommendation. Are these Mengelberg compositions? > >Thanks- >Doug H. Yes it is a very good, highly recommendable record. There are jazz standards (including one Ellington's composition), an original by Mengelberg (called 'No Idea'), and the great Herbie Nichol's composition called 'House Party Starting'. Jacques ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince Kargatis Subject: Re: rec.music.bluenote Date: 09 Sep 1997 15:04:14 -0400 (EDT) > Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 09:12:30 -0700 > From: Jason Edward Kocol > Subject: Re: rec.music.bluenote > > > It's really too bad. I used to enjoy reading that group. THere ware some > > open minded folks there, and one could learn alot about the music. > > You know, I have never checked out that newsgroup, but if the > content was how you put it, I don't plan on doing it anytime soon. :) Please. Why would you think that one post could typify a decade-old newsgroup? As will all public discussions on the net, there're good and bad threads. If you're an experienced net reader, you ignore the bad ones with ease. > However, the term "open-mined" can be very much misunderstood. The discussion of the term "open-minded" is slightly ironic when deciding not to investigate things for yourself. vince ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: lots of zorn-list people Date: 09 Sep 1997 15:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Howdy, I just did a subscription check for the zorn-list and digest. There are now 518 subscribers! That's our first time cresting the 500 mark, pretty amazing how many of y'all are out there. cheers, mike rizzi zorn-list-statistician -- rizzi@netcom.com -------------------------------------- www.browbeat.com "Another nerd with a soulpatch" -------- browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 ------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: slawlor Subject: zorn questions Date: 09 Sep 1997 20:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Hi there. I got film works 6 and it says it has tracks from crystalnacht, (sorry for the horrible spelling) and locus solis. I have both of these disks and can't find anything on fw6 that even resembles these recordings. It also has some material from the early recordings of john zorn. Is this available by itself on cd? and, I'm still not sure what the point of locus solis is? I like the experimentalism of it. Can anyone recommend anything else by zorn in the same vain as ls? thanks for the information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: slawlor Subject: zorn questions Date: 09 Sep 1997 20:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Hi there. I got film works 6 and it says it has tracks from crystalnacht, (sorry for the horrible spelling) and locus solis. I have both of these disks and can't find anything on fw6 that even resembles these recordings. It also has some material from the early recordings of john zorn. Is this available by itself on cd? and, I'm still not sure what the point of locus solis is? I like the experimentalism of it. Can anyone recommend anything else by zorn in the same vain as ls? thanks for the information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dwight Haden Subject: RE: Masada 8 Date: 10 Sep 1997 02:35:29 +0000 >Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:10:46 +0100 >From: "kevin cornish" >Subject: masada 8 > >can anyone tell me where to get masada 8 on DIW lable >on the internet > >cd now only sell on EVA lable > Yes, what's up with that? I noticed last week that CDNow had Masada's 1 thru 7 in stock with EVA product numbers. Are these still DIW discs, or have the Masada's been released on an alternate label? Anybody know? The only place I know of to get Masada 8 at present is the Downtown Music Gallery in NYC. They don't have a web site / secure order function but you can order by plain email (feeling lucky?) And yes, they have the DIW discs, not EVA. The email addr is dmg@panix.com Here's a reply I got from them last week: >We have all of the Masadas (incl. 8) in stock and they're all $16 except for >Masada 4-$15. S&H is $3 for a single disc and $1 for each add'l disc. To >order just Call, Fax or Email your order and include your Name, Ph. #, >Address and CC info. Be advised that >Email is not the safest way to do CC transactions, so if you go that way >it's at your own risk. > >Downtown Music Gallery >211 E. 5th St. >New York, N.Y. >10003 > >(212) 473-0043 >(212) 533-5059 Fax > >Store Hours: >Sun-Wed 12-9 >Thu 12-10 >Fri/Sat 12-11 Dwight Haden === dhaden@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chasinthetrane@juno.com (James T Graves) Subject: New Guy Date: 09 Sep 1997 22:35:00 EDT Hey, I just signed up for the Zorn list, and am very interested in talking about his music. So, here's a little bit about me. I'm a high school senior who got into jazz about two years ago, then started moving towards the more "free" stuff. This has ultimately led me to a lot of avant-garde in general, regardless of jazz roots. A couple friends introduced me to the whole Knitting Factory/downtown scene a few months ago, and I've been gobbling up stuff ever since. I must admit, I know very little about Zorn. I own a Naked City and a Masada cd, have read a few internet interviews with Zorn, and have heard a couple things from some friends, but that's about it. So, I guess my first question is, where do I go from here? Everything I've heard I like, but what should I start looking at now? Filmworks? His earlier stuff? Maybe some collaboration he's done with somebody? Any suggestions appreciated. Jamie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: lots of zorn-list people Date: 09 Sep 1997 23:00:20 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, m. rizzi wrote: > There are now 518 subscribers! That's our first time cresting > the 500 mark, pretty amazing how many of y'all are out there. It's time to seize power! We have the numbers! Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: zorn questions Date: 09 Sep 1997 22:56:55 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, slawlor wrote: > Hi there. I got film works 6 and it says it has tracks from crystalnacht, > (sorry for the horrible spelling) and locus solis. I have both of these > disks and can't find anything on fw6 that even resembles these recordings. > It also has some material from the early recordings of john zorn. I think you're looking at a list of other recordings available from Tzadik in the Archival series. > and, I'm still not sure what the point of > locus solis is? The impression I get from Zorn's liner notes to the Eva CD (are these reprinted on the Tzadik CD? if not, i could post them) is that Locus Solus was an attempt to do free improvised punk rock. I think I've read somewhere that DNA was the specific model. That sounds plausible to me, and of course Arto Lindsay and Ikue Mori both play on the record. This is probably my favorite Zorn record, although I wouldn't say it's his best work. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #117 Date: 09 Sep 1997 23:11:19 -0400 (EDT) On Sat, 6 Sep 1997, Andr Godin wrote: > I'v been wanting to check out Air ever since I discovered their leader > Henry Threadgill a few years back. I read that they use to tune their > drums to specific notes in order to play melodicaly. Anyways, anyone > known if their stuff has been rereleased on cd? And if so, who > distributes it? There have definitely been CD reissues on RCA, Nessa, and Black Saint. The August _Cadence_ lists the excellent Nessa _Air Time_ as in stock. The RCA _Air Lore_ with Threadgill's arrangements of classic tunes by Scott Joplin and Jelly Roll Morton is probably theideal starting point, but I think it's out of print. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: peter_risser@cinfin.com Subject: Still Melvins Date: 10 Sep 1997 13:04:35 UT Sorry I'm late on this. 1) Bassists: Matt Lukin of Mudhoney was the Melvins first bassist and I think he did the Deep Six stuff and the 10 Songs LP on C/Z. Then came Lorax, or Laurie Black, herion-soaked daughter of Shirley Temple Black (yes). She started with Gluey Porch Treatments and Ozma (which were produced by current bassist Mark Deutrom) Then Joe Preston, who CAME from the band Earth, who I believe continued on without him which is why Earth 3 sounds so wimpy. (Earth 1 has Kurt Kobain on it, for those who care.) Then Mark, who joined for Stoner Witch, because Lorax's heroin problem got to much of a pain to deal with. Lots of times they toured without her because she couldn't handle the road with her addiction. 2) Best albums: Everyone's overlooking Bullhead which is I believe the seminal Melvin's album, along with maybe EggNog and Ozma. However, if you are looking for the most Zorn-esque stuff, Ozma is probably the best bet. The stop-start choppy prog of this album is the closest match to Naked City of them all, probably. In fact, I think I'll listen to it right now. 3) New stuff: I think experimentation is fine and they are doing it, but I wish they'd produce better experiments. I'm a longtime Melvin's fan and I think that they have done some great different experimental stuff (Charmicarmicat, Lysol, Pearl Bomb, Spread Eagle Beagle, most of the middle 'ambientish' songs on Stag) but Honky blows and Prick is pretty much insufferable. A lot of good ideas and great sounds, but just poor execution. They could have shaped the songs much better I think. Put out an 'album' rather than a collection of four-track doodlings. My two cents on the Melvins issue. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "k. drudge" Subject: Re: zorn questions Date: 10 Sep 1997 12:04:01 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote: > > The impression I get from Zorn's liner notes to the Eva CD (are these > reprinted on the Tzadik CD? if not, i could post them) is that Locus Solus > was an attempt to do free improvised punk rock. I think I've read > somewhere that DNA was the specific model. That sounds plausible to me, (the tzadik release does indeed have (presumably the same) liner notes.) This seems to suggest that DNA would be worth checking out, at least for fans of locus solus. Does anyone have anything to say about this band? Keldon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent Burton Subject: DNA Date: 10 Sep 1997 12:30:52 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, k. drudge wrote: > This seems to suggest that DNA would be worth checking out, at least > for fans of locus solus. Does anyone have anything to say about this > band? The only DNA (Arto Lindsay, Ikue Mori and some other guy on bass) record in print right now is the "Live at CBGB's" CD on Avant. This is very late in DNA's career and the sound isn't stellar, but you can definitely hear where Zorn got his inspiration for projects like Locus Solus. DNA took rock out just about as far as possible while still rocking. DNA (along with Mars, The Contortions and Teenage Jesus & the Jerks[?]) were also included on the Brian Eno-produced "No New York" compilation album. In recent yrs this document has taken on collector status and the last time I saw a copy, the owner wanted $60. You'd be better off spending $18 on the Avant CD and then buying the Mars compilation on Atavistic if yr still interested in the No Wave scene. b ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Olivier NGUYEN VAN TAN Subject: No Idea, Misha Mengelberg Date: 10 Sep 1997 09:18:11 +0200 Hi, I 've just bought the new Misha Mengelberg CD : No Idea with Baron and = Cohen. The music is very cool : a kind of Herbie Nichols jazz with great = moments from Joey Baron and Greg Cohen. Very quite but with some lyrical moments full of grace ! Track Listing : No idea : Misha Mengelberg Begin the beguine : Cole Porter You don't know what love is : Don Raye_Gene Depaul House party starting : Herbie Nichols I 'm getting sentimental over you : Ned Washignton The mooche : Duke Ellington September song : Maxwell Anderson - Kurt Weill Someone to watch over me : Georges Gershin Olivier ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anish Kejariwal Subject: opinions on Shea's new CD? Date: 10 Sep 1997 12:46:51 -0700 Does anyone have an opinion on the newest David Shea CD, Satyricon? I'm trying to decide whether I should buy it or save money (I'm strapped for cash right now). Thanks. Anish ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: xander@sirius.com Subject: Re: opinions on Shea's new CD? Date: 10 Sep 1997 16:08:32 -0700 >Does anyone have an opinion on the newest David Shea CD, Satyricon? I'm >trying to decide whether I should buy it or save money (I'm strapped for >cash right now). Thanks. well, the fact that i've only played it once since getting it two months ago might imply that i wasn't as excited about this one as with the previous several albums. my recollection is that this one had less jazz/exotica flavorings and more string based soundscapes. on the other hand, mike at dropbeat (where i think you can get it for $14.98 or $13.98) tells me that it's his favorite and that he was blown away to not hear samplers and turntables for a change. i imagine that if you head into dropbeat he'll let you listen to it so you can decide. alexander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Carlson Subject: back to bacharach Date: 10 Sep 1997 18:26:49 -0600 For those of you who don't get the Knitting Factory Knotes, this was advertised there this month. Radical Jewish Culture Do you know the way to San Jose? John Zorn & friends point the way & honor the great Jewish-American composer Burt Bacharach. back to bacharach Sunday, Sept 14th at 4pm and 8pm John Zorn, curator 4pm-Program A: with Erik Friedlander, Chris Speed, Andrew D'Angelo, Drew Gress, Dave DOuglas, Myra Melford, Badal Roy, Guy Klucevsek, Marie McAuliffe, others 8pm-Program B: with Anthony Coleman, Joey Baron, Ellery Eskelln, Josh Roseman, Marc Ribot, Medeski Martin & Wood, others Tickets: 2 concert combo: $25; single tickets $17.50 Box Office 212-501-3330 Merkin Concert Hall Abraham Goodman House 129 W. 67th St. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: DNA Date: 10 Sep 1997 23:07:55 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Brent Burton wrote: > (Arto Lindsay, Ikue Mori and some other guy on bass) An afterthought. The bassist is Tim Wright, the original bassist from Pere Ubu. That may be additional incentive for Ubu fans, if there any others on this list. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: DNA Date: 10 Sep 1997 23:05:20 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Brent Burton wrote: > DNA (along with Mars, The Contortions and Teenage Jesus & the Jerks[?]) > were also included on the Brian Eno-produced "No New York" compilation > album. In recent yrs this document has taken on collector status and the > last time I saw a copy, the owner wanted $60. Keep an eye out for bargains, though. A friend of mine got this in a dollar bin two years ago. Also unavailable from DNA: _A Taste of DNA_, the one record (I think) they put out while they were in existence. If you find either of these, you should send them to me :^). One track from the latter is included on a 2-CD American Clave sampler, which is mostly Kip Hanrahan tracks. It's a good buy if you're sure you'll like Kip Hanrahan, but aren't already a fan. (If you are a fan, you'll already own all the Hanrahan tracks, which are readily available.) There are also some unusually abstract and unrocklike DNA tracks on a 2LP set called _the fruit of the original sin_. To my knowledge, this has never been reissued on CD, but it's apparently less sought after by collectors than the above items, as I got it pretty cheaply. So far as I know, that's it for DNA on record. A sadly underrecorded band. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Schwitterz Subject: Pere Ubu Date: 10 Sep 1997 20:47:34 -0700 Christopher Hamilton wrote: > On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Brent Burton wrote: > > > (Arto Lindsay, Ikue Mori and some other guy on bass) > > An afterthought. The bassist is Tim Wright, the original bassist from > Pere Ubu. That may be additional incentive for Ubu fans, if there any > others on this list. > > Chris Hamilton Now David Thomas, there's a delightful musician...saw him recently with Two Pale boys...wearing a fedora and a big red butcher's apron...playing a bandoneon taped together with duct tape...swilling liquor from a matal flask to medicate a very bad cold which only served to stoke his attitude and his wheezing vocals...telling dadaist stories between songs from the brilliant EREWHON as well as a brian wilson cover & Tammy Wynette's 'Stand By Your Man'...brilliant accompaniment by the Pale ones...sounded almost as good as DUB HOUSING era ubu at the Whiskey a million years ago...he was playing Luna Park, a trendy Hollywood club..."opening" for a funk-dance band...when he did not leave the stage "on time" they turned off the stage lights on him, resulting in a more than justified Pere Tantrum...I'll never patronize that establishment again, but I hope the good Mr. Thomas graces the ungracious SoCalifornia with his wiles again soon... Sz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Newgarden Subject: The Art of Remembrance (fwd) Date: 11 Sep 1997 01:12:21 -0400 (EDT) forwarded (Bar Kokhba - soundtrack) fyi: Port Washington is 30 minutes from Manhattan on LIRR... Our film on Simon Wiesenthal: The Art Of Remembrance will be shown on September 19, at 12:10 p.m. at the PORT WASHINGTON LIBRARY in Port Washington, NY 11050. (516) 883-4400. Johanna and myself will be there for A&Q after the screening. Best regards, Johanna Heer & Werner Schmiedel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Newgarden Subject: advertisement Date: 11 Sep 1997 01:20:11 -0400 (EDT) *Back To Bacharach* John Zorn/Tzadik Records celebration of great Jewish composer Burt Bacharach -- 2 concerts at the Radical Jewish Culture festival at Merkin Hall. Sunday, Sept. 14 at 4 & 8pm 4pm - with Erik Friedlander, Chris Speed, Andrew D'Angelo, Drew Gress, Dave Douglas, Myra Melford, Badal Roy, Guy Klucevsek, Maria McAuliffe 8pm - with Anthony Coleman, Joey Baron, Ellery Eskelin, Josh Roseman, Marc Ribot, Medeski Martin & Wood tickets 2 concert combo: $25, single tickets: $17.50 Merkin Concert Hall 129 W. 67th St. between Broadway & Amsterdam 212-501-3330 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Hidden picture in Duras:Duchamp Date: 11 Sep 1997 06:26:32 -0800 >That is a Duchamp`s last work. > Actually, it's only part of the work. The tableau with the new and gas lamp is visible only through a hole in a large wooden door selected by Duchamp & the installation is in an easily overlooked small room adjacent to the rest of the Philadelphia Museum's Duchamp collection (the largest single collection anywhere). The whole thing (tableau, door, & placement) is Duchamp's last work, which he created in secret after announcing his retirement from making art 20-30 years earlier. > >See http://www.val.net/~tim/duchamp-aug96.html Thanks for the URL, there's some good things there. >But I`m wondering, what is the meaning of ETANT DONNES ? > My French isn't great, but I think "being given" is a close approximation in English. (the Web site you point to translates it simply as "given" which is certainly more idiomatically elegant) Oh, yeah, & the site above has a link to a site that has an animation of the door & the tableau that's kind of cute: Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephane Vuilleumier Subject: Etant donnes (Re: Hidden picture in Duras:Duchamp) Date: 11 Sep 1997 12:06:35 +0200 Herb Levy wrote: >>But I`m wondering, what is the meaning of ETANT DONNES ? >My French isn't great, but I think "being given" is a close approximation >in English. (the Web site you point to translates it simply as "given" >which is certainly more idiomatically elegant) "Etant donne" (with an aigu, no final s) does mean "being given", or "considering", what puzzles me is the final S :-=A6 since "etant donnes" itself doesn't mean much to my knowledge. Maybe some kind of clever artistry? Stephane ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: DNA Date: 11 Sep 1997 09:19:47 -0400 It's great to see that people remember and appreciate DNA. They were an amazing band and I'm really sorry I never got to see them live. A TASTE OF DNA is an amazing EP- never heard anything quite like it. It's such a shame that this (and the live CD) is the only record that they put out. Let's hope this gets reissued (with bonus tracks!) Before Tim Wright (Ubu), I think Robin Crutchfield (keyboards) was with them (heard on NO NEW YORK), who later did.... Dark Day(?) Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever Warped Perspectives on All Types of Music perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis summers Subject: DNA Date: 11 Sep 1997 07:28:47 -0600 I have the No New York record, which I think is fantastic. (As an aside, especially in light of its "collector's status", I had it when it came out, sold it some time later and picked it up again a few years ago, cause I had missed it.) I myself am going to have to give Locus Solus another listen, cause I previously haven't caught the connection between that and DNA. In addition, I think that most Zorn folks if they already don't listen to James Chance (aka James Black, aka James White) and Contortions need to check them out- they would like this band. Just for the "proto-noise" value alone, I think that all should pick up No New York, assuming you can find it at a reasonable price. I would suspect that in less hip locals like Detroit, where I'm at, it would be easy to find. If anyone wants me to tape it, email me and we'll work something out. ***Quantum Dance Works*** ****http://ic.net/~denniss**** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dennis summers Subject: David Thomas Date: 11 Sep 1997 07:43:24 -0600 >Now David Thomas, there's a delightful musician...saw him recently with >Two Pale boys... >Sz Don't know if we're straying too far afield here, But Pere Ubu was probably the first "noise" type group I got into, of course in historical hindsight, they're downright mainstream and melodic. I went to grad school at the Ohio State U in Columbus during the early-mid '80s, and Thomas and the band would frequently come down from Cleveland to try out new material. This was one of the few highlights of that otherwise boring city. However, I'm interested in your comments about the Two Pale Boys. I had read an interview with the Pere Ubu guys several years ago that they were trying to go for mainstream success; that they were older and wanted to make a living from their music. And unfortunately their last several disks showed this attitude, and in my opinion sucked in a major way. I had written of the band. Is the TPB Thomas' band to get back to that good wild noise that he used to make, or his good wild jazzy stuff that The Pedestrian's used to do, or something else entirely? Could you describe the actual music for me, please? I know they also have a disk out, has anybody heard it? yours in zornocity --ds ***Quantum Dance Works*** ****http://ic.net/~denniss**** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WINRECORDS@aol.com Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #119 Date: 11 Sep 1997 10:04:22 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 9/10/97 11:13:37 PM, you wrote: <> DNA bassist was Tim Wright...a phenomenal player. It's never made any sense to me why the long out-of-print DNA record has never been re-issued by anyone??? Atavistic...if you are out there listening, this is one you should consider!!! Yes, the Avant release is cool, but as mentioned, the sound quality isn't so stellar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tkorpipa@siba.fi Subject: Re: DNA Date: 11 Sep 1997 16:27:05 +0200 (GMT+0200) On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote: > An afterthought. The bassist is Tim Wright, the original bassist from > Pere Ubu. That may be additional incentive for Ubu fans, if there any > others on this list. me too... i've liked pere ubu now and then after discovering a 'modern dance' cassette on my friendly local library... (!) 'life stinks and i need a drink' or how did that song go... :) teemu :::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::: ruumen: http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html ::::::::::::::: 'You only got one finger left and it's pointing at the door' - beck - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephane Vuilleumier Subject: Re: David Thomas / 2 pale boys Date: 11 Sep 1997 16:23:50 +0200 Two Pale boys have one studio CD out I think (Erewhon), with perhaps more edge than much of the Pedestrians stuff, and David often on accordion. There is some Midi-trumpet by Andy Diagram, who is also part of the Spaceheads, a great noise-ambient-technopunk dance band (2 CDs out I think). Some of the stuff on the TPB CD goes in that direction. I'm so tired with people doing always the same thing, that CD was really a *good* surprise. perhaps the best example of this new dance/mutant_trumpet/david whisper approach is called something like Highway 69 revisited so don't be put off! there's also a Live CD of a TPB 1996 concert on the 5 CD Pedestrians reissue Monster, which is a bit like the Pere Ubu Live album (forgot what the name was) but played in today's dance context maybe, with lots of great David vocals. Appropriately enough, it was recorded in a hall called Ubu something, in Reims, France. At 07:43 11.09.97 -0600, Dennis Summers wrote: >>Now David Thomas, there's a delightful musician...saw him recently with >>Two Pale boys... > >>Sz > >Don't know if we're straying too far afield here, But Pere Ubu was probably >the first "noise" type group I got into, of course in historical hindsight, >they're downright mainstream and melodic. I went to grad school at the Ohio >State U in Columbus during the early-mid '80s, and Thomas and the band would >frequently come down from Cleveland to try out new material. This was one of >the few highlights of that otherwise boring city. However, I'm interested in >your comments about the Two Pale Boys. I had read an interview with the Pere >Ubu guys several years ago that they were trying to go for mainstream >success; that they were older and wanted to make a living from their music. >And unfortunately their last several disks showed this attitude, and in my >opinion sucked in a major way. I had written of the band. Is the TPB Thomas' >band to get back to that good wild noise that he used to make, or his good >wild jazzy stuff that The Pedestrian's used to do, or something else >entirely? Could you describe the actual music for me, please? I know they >also have a disk out, has anybody heard it? > >yours in zornocity --ds >***Quantum Dance Works*** >****http://ic.net/~denniss**** > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Schwitterz Subject: To All Old Wheezers Everywhere Date: 11 Sep 1997 08:57:00 -0700 somewhere near...somewhere far... somewhere down the street, past the local bar... is a [indecipherable] kinda homey place.. and I go inside and show my face it's someone i barely know... there's a poet there's a heart of gold & they're both lookin' at a glass of foam I'm not a poet & you KNOW that I'm not a glass of foam I've got a heart of gold I've Heart of gold I've got a heart of gold...[repeat ad infinitum with increased garbled wheezing and hoarse whispering over a simple repetitive bass line] ---from 'Kathleen' off the EREWHON CD dennis summers wrote: > >Now David Thomas, there's a delightful musician...saw him recently with > >Two Pale boys... > > I had read an interview with the Pere Ubu guys several years ago that they > were trying to go for mainstream success; that they were older and wanted to > make a living from their music. And unfortunately their last several disks > showed this attitude, and in my > opinion sucked in a major way. I was deeply saddened by PU's attempt at mainstream success, although I saw them last year on tour with Horvitz's PigPen and they were great live. Is the TPB Thomas' band to get back to that good wild noise that he used to make? Not really, although it gets noisy at times. or his good wild jazzy stuff that The Pedestrian's used to do? maybe it could be called Pedestrians for the electronica era...lots of effects and loops and such...but rather tongue in cheek in Thomas' hands...the Cd reveals many subtle studio delights on careful listening... or something else entirely? almost could say yes, something else entirely... Could you describe the actual music for me, please? Thomas plays a melodeon...an old beat up hand held reed organ...it clicks and clatters and wheezes...sometimes he accompanies himself by just clicking the keys loudly while singing the best Thomas vocals I have ever heard...very carefully crafted yet wheeze is the operative word both for the vocals and the melodeon...my favorite tunes have him in the forefront with the Pale ones adding atmospherics in the background...then there are some tunes that make more use of the midi-trumpet and guitars with loops and sampling...labeling this music with current parlance will suggest [to the suggestible listener]* something other than what happens when Thomas uses these DEVICES**...I haven't heard the live disc on MONSTER yet, but seeing them live was even better than the studio disc, because they improvise liberally in performance...Andy Diagram was stunning, using elctronic effects with his trumpet in a way that IMHO puts Toshinori Kondo to shame...[although THE MARZ COMBO and DIE LIKE A DOG are two of my all time favorite recordings]... Sz * name that tune **from the same tune ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike burma Subject: Tzadik CD Release Performance in Berkeley Date: 11 Sep 1997 11:36:17 -0700 This coming Sunday Sept. 14th, there will be a Tzadik CD Release Performance in Berkeley for the David Slusser recording 'Delight at the End of the Tunnel.' The show is 8 PM at Beanbenders (a gallery at the corner of Shattuck and Bancroft). Joining Slusser will be Tom Nunn, Ralph Carney, Graham Connah, and a bunch more whose names I forget. Mike Burma ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john shiurba Subject: Re: Tzadik CD Release Performance in Berkeley Date: 11 Sep 1997 12:28:04 -0700 mike burma wrote: > > This coming Sunday Sept. 14th, there will be a Tzadik CD Release > Performance in Berkeley for the David Slusser recording 'Delight > at the End of the Tunnel.' The show is 8 PM at Beanbenders > (a gallery at the corner of Shattuck and Bancroft). Joining Slusser > will be Tom Nunn, Ralph Carney, Graham Connah, and a bunch > more whose names I forget. this disc is fantastic. mr. slusser has been doing sound design for films (david lynch, francis coppola etc) for years, and the scope of this project reflects that work, as well as his predilection for bizarre electronics, his abilities as a saxophonist and most of all his imaginative way of organizing the most disparate of elements into a cohesive suite of music. well worth checking out! -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike King Subject: David Shea albums and style Date: 11 Sep 1997 08:00:03 +1200 Can anyone tell me a bit about David Shea, like what his albumns are like (content and opinions), and what albumns are out there? I've only heard him on Mr Bungle selftitled and on Elegy I think. Thanks in advance, Mike _____________________________________________________________ Michael King Phone +64-6-3569099 Ext. 6374 Wool Building Rm. 2.01 Fax +64-6-3505699 Department of Animal Science E-mail m-king@clear.net.nz Massey University Home +64-6-3583217 Palmerston North New Zealand _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Brunelle" Subject: Nicky Skopelitis Date: 11 Sep 1997 14:34:22 PDT WMI has a self titled CD by Nicky Skopelitis listed, and I was wondereing if anyone had any information on this. Thanks Dave Brunelle IHVH@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SlightAche@aol.com Subject: JZ @ Downtown Music Gallery Celebration Date: 12 Sep 1997 10:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Just wanted to let everyone know that at last night's DMG Anniversary Celebration at the Knit, Zorn made an unnannounced appearance during the Elliott Sharp/Bobby Previte set. I've seen a lot of the improv sets over the last year and a half or so, and I've got to say that this set was among the finest I've witnessed! take care y'all. If anyone would care to dialogue with me on this, be sure to copy me on any follow-up posts, since I only get the digest. PWKing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DMB5561719@aol.com Subject: Birdhouse: microtonal ji music at CB's 313 Gallery Date: 13 Sep 1997 12:51:54 -0400 (EDT) microtonal just intonation music Birdhouse at CB's 313 Gallery 313 Bowery (at Bleecker St.) NYC, NY September 19, 1997 9pm $6 at the door featuring: Meredith Borden - soprano Jon Catler - just intonation guitar (the Catler Bros., La Monte Young's Forever Bad Blues Band) Brad Catler - percussion (the Catler Bros., La Monte Young's Forever Bad Blues Band) Andrew Bolotowsky - flutes (from the American Fetival of Microtonal Music) "Mr. Catler's Nightbird, with it's exotic harmonies, sounded like some strange flamenco dance... Ms. Borden's microtonally tinged singing was confident and convincing." NY Times, 5/97. check out the Freenote website at: http://home.earthlink.net/~freenote/ info: (201) 659-1219 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Melvins backwards record Date: 13 Sep 1997 14:28:35 -0400 I seem to remember that the Melvins released a record (vinyl? CD?) that featured some of their songs played backwards but I can't find any mention of this in the three discographies I've been able to find. Was this a hallucination or was it some other band? Lang Thompson http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clockwise Subject: Re: Melvins backwards record Date: 13 Sep 1997 22:25:30 -0500 That's funny...I've been into the Melvins for a very long time, and collect their stuff fanatically, and I've never heard of this. I DO remember hearing a very very long time ago that the original pressings of Sonic Youth's "EVOL" on cassette had the entire album forwards on side A, and backwords on side B, but I've never been able to confirm this. At 02:28 PM 9/13/97 -0400, Lang Thompson wrote: >I seem to remember that the Melvins released a record (vinyl? CD?) that >featured some of their songs played backwards but I can't find any mention >of this in the three discographies I've been able to find. Was this a >hallucination or was it some other band? >Lang Thompson >http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "pjm" Subject: Re: Melvins backwards record Date: 14 Sep 1997 21:17:23 -0700 To Go even further afield: Mudhoney's " My Brother the Cow" CD ends with the entire CD recorded backwards. Its actually almost BETTER this way :} ---------- > From: clockwise > To: zorn-list@xmission.com > Subject: Re: Melvins backwards record > Date: Saturday, September 13, 1997 8:25 PM > > That's funny...I've been into the Melvins for a very long time, and collect > their stuff fanatically, and I've never heard of this. I DO remember > hearing a very very long time ago that the original pressings of Sonic > Youth's "EVOL" on cassette had the entire album forwards on side A, and > backwords on side B, but I've never been able to confirm this. > > At 02:28 PM 9/13/97 -0400, Lang Thompson wrote: > >I seem to remember that the Melvins released a record (vinyl? CD?) that > >featured some of their songs played backwards but I can't find any mention > >of this in the three discographies I've been able to find. Was this a > >hallucination or was it some other band? > >Lang Thompson > >http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clockwise Subject: Re: Melvins backwards record Date: 14 Sep 1997 23:25:53 -0500 ahhhh, yes...forgot about that one...i'm sure that's what he's thinking of. clockwise At 09:17 PM 9/14/97 -0700, pjm wrote: >To Go even further afield: Mudhoney's " My Brother the Cow" CD ends with >the entire CD recorded backwards. Its actually almost BETTER this way :} > >---------- >> From: clockwise >> To: zorn-list@xmission.com >> Subject: Re: Melvins backwards record >> Date: Saturday, September 13, 1997 8:25 PM >> >> That's funny...I've been into the Melvins for a very long time, and >collect >> their stuff fanatically, and I've never heard of this. I DO remember >> hearing a very very long time ago that the original pressings of Sonic >> Youth's "EVOL" on cassette had the entire album forwards on side A, and >> backwords on side B, but I've never been able to confirm this. >> >> At 02:28 PM 9/13/97 -0400, Lang Thompson wrote: >> >I seem to remember that the Melvins released a record (vinyl? CD?) that >> >featured some of their songs played backwards but I can't find any >mention >> >of this in the three discographies I've been able to find. Was this a >> >hallucination or was it some other band? >> >Lang Thompson >> >http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm >> > >> > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SlightAche@aol.com Subject: Serge Gainsbourg / Bacharach Date: 15 Sep 1997 01:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Copies of the Serge Gainsbourg CD were on sale tonight at the "Back to Bacharach" gig. I got one, but haven't had a chance to digest. The gig was great -- highlights for me were the sets by Barondown & Marc Ribot's band, featuring Eszter Balint on vocals, J.D. Foster on bass, and Roberto Rodriguez on drums. Does anybody else from this list go to these gigs in NYC? Awfully quiet if so! PWK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJOERN Subject: Gino Robair in Europe Date: 15 Sep 1997 13:12:12 +0200 (MESZ) just would like to announce the following tourdates of gino robair in europe......they can also be found on the rastascan homepage........ oct. 2 Amsterdam , Gran Silo oct. 5 Muenster, germany , Cuba oct. 7 Zurich, switzerland , WIM oct. 8 Tuebingen, Germany , Club Voltaire the club voltaire gig in tuebingen is with Forbidden Planet... i just mention that because i am part of this project :)....... so if anyone is near any of these places in early october....its worth seeing BJOERN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph Buck" Subject: melvins Date: 15 Sep 1997 12:03:47 PDT i had asked my co-worker and melvins maven if he knew of this and he said he had never heard of any..... he also added this about the bass players- "I hate to nit-pick (not true! I love it...) but Lori Black first appeared on Ozma. Matt Lukin was still in the band for Gluey Porch." salam, buck > >Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:28:35 -0400 >From: Lang Thompson >Subject: Melvins backwards record > >I seem to remember that the Melvins released a record (vinyl? CD?) that >featured some of their songs played backwards but I can't find any mention >of this in the three discographies I've been able to find. Was this a >hallucination or was it some other band? >Lang Thompson >http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Serge Gainsbourg / Bacharach Date: 15 Sep 1997 18:05:02 -0700 SlightAche@aol.com wrote: > > Copies of the Serge Gainsbourg CD were on sale tonight at the "Back to > Bacharach" gig. > > I got one, but haven't had a chance to digest. > > The gig was great -- highlights for me were the sets by Barondown & Marc > Ribot's band, featuring Eszter Balint on vocals, J.D. Foster on bass, and > Roberto Rodriguez on drums. > > Does anybody else from this list go to these gigs in NYC? Awfully quiet if > so! > > PWK Yep, I was there, and I'll even give a brief review (this is my first post to this group--hello all) Briefly, I though the concert was excellent, with some incredible performances. Highlights, for me were: 1) Chimera--Much inspired playing from all involved. I especially enjoyed the arrangement of 'The Look of Love' with D'Angelo's gulping melodic line on bass clarinet. 2) The Douglas/Melford (on harmonium)/Badal Roy Trio. My first impression was of an updated version of the wonderful Desert Band from Escalator. Later, it seemed to me that Douglas was structuring the pieces very much like a traditional Indian ensemble, with Melford in the tamboura role and himself as sitarist. A lot of his lines struck me as raga-influenced, which made the occasional emergence of bits of Bacharach all the more delightful. A great little band. 3) Klucevsek--I can't say enough about him (I think he's one of the finest musicians on the planet), but the final number, a medley of 'One Less Bell to Answer' (played way up high, in the manner of his 'Skating on Thin Air') and 'Wives and Lovers' (if he interpolated 'Raindrops' here, as the program stated, I couldn't hear it) was one of the single most beautiful performances I've heard in years. 4) Joey Baron--Anyone who scoffs at the notion of serious jazz extensions of BB's tunes, should've heard them. Just incredible, penetrating into Coltrane/Ali territory. The best I've ever heard Ellery Eskelin play. Other things were more or less successful; I though McAuliffe's band was a bit blah (and found singer Kitty Brazilton very aggravating). Ribot's band, admittedly doing some pretty banal songs, sounded kinda ragged, with the exception of MR's wonderful playing. Anthony Coleman was fun (gotta love a barroom blues version of 'Casino Royale'!) as were Medeski, Martin and Wood. Hopefully, this was recorded; there was a lot more music packed in there than appeared on the original disc, and no klunkers (like, imho, the Lennon/Honda and Kang pieces). Great show; thank you Mr. Zorn. PS. Picked up the Gainsbourg CD; sounds nice and varied on first listen. Brian O. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: Jon Rose Date: 15 Sep 1997 22:12:19 -0400 How about some discussion on Jon Rose? I haven't heard him being mentioned on this list at all. I hope that's not for good reason. This insane violinist/composer blows my mind. To say he is original is an understatement. What are you all's favorite Jon Rose albums??? -Tom Pratt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Jon Rose Date: 16 Sep 1997 00:27:28 -0400 Tom Pratt wrote: > How about some discussion on Jon Rose? I haven't heard him being > mentioned on this list at all. I hope that's not for good reason. This > > insane violinist/composer blows my mind. To say he is original is an > understatement. What are you all's favorite Jon Rose albums??? "Violin Music for Restaurants," especially Derek Bailey's bit. I'm always a sucker for things with Derek talking while he plays... what a droll English delivery he's got. Rose ain't too shabby either. A great disc IMHO. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com > > > -Tom Pratt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Melvins backwards solved Date: 16 Sep 1997 00:48:43 -0400 As one recipient (whose name i unfortunately don't remember) reminded me, the album Prick is actually credited to Snivlem, apparently for contractual reasons. None of the music is backwards but this is what i half-remembered. Lang Thompson http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Howes Subject: Re: Jon Rose Date: 15 Sep 1997 22:16:31 -0700 >> How about some discussion on Jon Rose? I haven't heard him being >> mentioned on this list at all. I hope that's not for good reason. This >> >> insane violinist/composer blows my mind. To say he is original is an >> understatement. What are you all's favorite Jon Rose albums??? > >"Violin Music for Restaurants," especially Derek Bailey's bit. I'm >always a sucker for things with Derek talking while he plays... what a >droll English delivery he's got. Rose ain't too shabby either. A great >disc IMHO. > I'll second this! I am also enjoying one of Rose's new albums a LOT, "://Shopping Live@Victo" . It is also a "concept" record and is often just out-and-out hilarious. I'm not familiar with Lauren Newton or Joelle Leandre who are mostly just voices but Yoshihide, Cutler, and Lee Pui Ming are in top form on this record. All of it is about shopping and/or department stores and often includes noises to go along with what is possible to purchase on each floor. mike mhowes@best.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: Jon Rose Date: 16 Sep 1997 08:46:55 -0400 (EDT) > How about some discussion on Jon Rose? I haven't heard him being > mentioned on this list at all. I hope that's not for good reason. This > insane violinist/composer blows my mind. To say he is original is an > understatement. What are you all's favorite Jon Rose albums??? Perhaps because it's a list for John Zorn, not Jon Rose? Has Rose been released on Tzadik, perchance? | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland http://www.artswire.org/~mrd/nozze school of music | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Schwitterz Subject: KF Live Date: 16 Sep 1997 13:22:02 -0700 Is the Knitting Factory's nightly cybercast still down, or do I need to reconfigure my Streamworks? Sz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Tim Berne/Screwgun Mailing List Date: 16 Sep 1997 16:44:50 -0400 I'm starting a mailing list for Tim Berne and Screwgun -- e-mail and snail mail. That's where we'll send out information about gigs, tours, new releases and whatnot. If you're interested, please send me your addresses and I'll get you set up. If you've ever ordered anything from Screwgun you're most likely already on the list, but send your information anyway just to be certain. We're about to do our first mailing regarding the three new Screwgun releases for October, as well as a mini-tour of the Southwest by Berne and Formanek in early October. Get on board! Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw Subject: Re: Jon Rose Date: 16 Sep 1997 20:23:02 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Matthew Ross Davis wrote: > > How about some discussion on Jon Rose? I haven't heard him being > > mentioned on this list at all. I hope that's not for good reason. This > > insane violinist/composer blows my mind. To say he is original is an > > understatement. What are you all's favorite Jon Rose albums??? > > Perhaps because it's a list for John Zorn, not Jon Rose? Has Rose been > released on Tzadik, perchance? Last I remember, the charter for this list was inclusive of related musicians, not Zorn and Zorn only. Although depending on how far removed we let the associations be, it could possibly include every musician ever. :-) cya brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Schwitterz Subject: Re: Jon Rose Date: 16 Sep 1997 18:22:21 -0700 Brian & Sharon Beuchaw wrote: > Last I remember, the charter for this list was inclusive of related > musicians, not Zorn and Zorn only. Although depending on how far removed > we let the associations be, it could possibly include every musician ever. Can you imagine Zorn calling a discussion of ANY music "off-topic?" Me either. Schwitterz > :-) > > cya > brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clockwise Subject: Parachute Years Date: 16 Sep 1997 21:18:28 -0500 I am a buyer for a pretty small cd store, and I saw in an update from our supplier that there is a 7-disc box set coming from Mr. Zorn, on Tzadik, entitled 'The Parachute Years'. I have quite a bit of his stuff already, and for the money I'll be spending, I really don't want to find out I've just duplicated part of my collection. Since the idiots at the warehouse obviously don't know anything about it, I was wondering if anyone here could shed some light on it's contents. clockwise ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Parachute Years Date: 17 Sep 1997 00:16:12 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, clockwise wrote: > Since the idiots at the warehouse > obviously don't know anything about it, I was wondering if anyone here > could shed some light on it's contents. It contains the complete contents of _Pool_ and _Archery_ plus the Zorn-composed half of the Chadbourne/Zorn _School_ plus alternate versions of the four compositions from the above. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: offtopic Date: 17 Sep 1997 00:21:32 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Schwitterz wrote: > Can you imagine Zorn calling a discussion of ANY music "off-topic?" Fortunately, it's not his list, because I really don't want to read about Pearl Jam here. (I'd think Jon Rose is at least as on-topic as the Melvins, who, to my mind, are probably the limit of on-topicness for this list. Not that it's up to me.) Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Leng Tche Date: 17 Sep 1997 22:48:18 +1000 Would someone be able to tell me what Leng Tche is supposed to mean...? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU Subject: Masada break-up? Date: 17 Sep 1997 11:13:37 -0500 (CDT) Is the rumor about Masada soon disbanding true? I heard the group will make 10 records and break up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Caulfield Bivins Date: 17 Sep 1997 13:21:33 -0500 (EST) Hi all, For anybody in the Chicago area, there is some exciting music happening in the next month or two. The wonderful Unity Temple series in Oak Park has its preliminary listings up for the fall, and it sounds great. The reason I'm posting on this list is because Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio is playing on November 7 (I believe this is the date). But there's lots more. Mats Gustafsson/Peter Brotzmann tomorrow night; Sam Rivers on 10/3; Steve Lacy solo on 11/5; ROVA on 11/6; and Joe Morris on 11/13. Address and related links can be accessed through the "local programming" page on WNUR's jazz web. Can't wait for these great shows! Jason Bivins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Masada break-up? Date: 17 Sep 1997 17:03:10 -0400 y9d62@ttacs1.ttu.edu wrote: > Is the rumor about Masada soon disbanding true? I heard the group > will > make 10 records and break up. I can't answer this directly but did hear a rumor last night at the Knit that supposedly the three nights Masada is playing there at the end of September are the final live gigs for the band... Not substantiated, just idle chat from the girl who works the boxoffice. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ak515@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Polak) Subject: Re: Leng Tche Date: 17 Sep 1997 17:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Reply to message from jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au of Wed, 17 Sep > >Would someone be able to tell me what Leng Tche is supposed to mean...? > > > 100 pieces. It was a torture method. -- "Reality is too harsh. Imagination makes everything nice. Use your imagination to get out of the most drab places by simply holding on to the imagination and making it real." - Sun Ra ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tricky88@earthlink.net Subject: New Avant and Tzadik releases Date: 17 Sep 1997 22:43:32 -0700 The new Koch book came out today: I don't have time to give the details on everything, but just to wet your whistle: All to be out in October for the most part. PACHORA - Pachora, Knitting Factory Works 207: Chris Speed, Brad Shepik (sazplayer?), Skulli Sverrisoon (bass) and Jim Black (percussion). "Radical Jewish music" is increasing in popularity, old and new, chaos and order... FERTILE CRESCENT - Fertile Crescent, Knitting Factory Works 118 Erik Sanko - the teenage biassist (sic?) in John Lurie's Lounge Lizards went on to this looser musical endavor (sic!). Preccursor to Skeleton Key, his cuurrent band. From 1992. hmm. KFW or Koch needs a spellchecker. BOREDOMS - Wow 2 - Avant 026 Recorded in 1992 at martin Bisi's Brooklyn studio right before the Boredoms went on Lollapalooza. Of all their recordings, this is the one that best represents the live shows...blah blah..John Zorn, Sonic Youth... DEREK BAILEY/JOHN ZORN/QILLIAM PARKER - Harras - Avant 056 Music to make your hair stand on end. The 3 met one night in 1993 and fortunately a digital tape player was present. A text book of improvisational interaction or a no-holes- (sic)- barred assault - you decide. An essential document of free improvisation at its best. LEE HYLA - In Double Light - Avant 015 Lee Hyla is is becoming known as one of the premier composers of his generation, having written music for many of the world's greatest orchestras and ensambles. Recorded between 1986 and 1992, this is a collection os works for small chamber ensambles. Masterful bass clarinet work from Tim Smith. Note: The artwork shown for this piece is that of the Tzadik composer series. PHILLIP JOHNSTON'S BIG TROUBLE - The Unknown - Avant 037 Many musicians lately have written music for silent films, but few have done it as well as Johnston's score for Tod Browning's masterpiece, The Unknown. Also known for his little big band , The Microscopic Septet, Phillip has recently been composing music for films by Paul Schrader and Philip Haas (Music of Chance). Modern harmonies, nostalgic old-time feel, and a side-show carnival atmosphere make this original and distinctive. VIRGIL MOOREFIELD - The Temperature of Hell Is Over Three Thousand Degrees - Tzadik 7026 Composer Series. With Tom Chiu, David Eggar, V.M., Tim Otto and Woody Park. Moorefield was born in Chapel Hill, grew up in Europe and has recorded with the Swans, Glenn Branca, Bill Laswell, Elliott Sharp and Damage. This disc reflects his interest in microtonality minimalism and improvisation to create a world a world of precision, movement and surprise. RONNY SOMECK & ELLIOTT SHARP - Revenge of the Stuttering Child - Tzadik 7117 Radical Jewish Culture A meeting of two eclectic Jewish masyers. Someck - a poet born in Iraq and Sharp create sounds as words and sounds as music; a tangled-up feedback loop that builds and mutates. Much more than mere poetry set to music. Augmented by pianist Anthony Coleman, the cello and accordian of the Parkins sisters and percussionist Salifoski. SERGE GAINSBOURG - Great Jewish Music - Tzadik 7116 - Radical Jewish Culture Second installment of the series focuses on the man from France. Famous since the 1950's - except in America; or infamous here... One disc this time, but 21 artists and 74 minutes long. Zorn, Mike Patton, Elysian Fields (?!), Kramer, Ikue, Mori, Ruins, Anthony Coleman, David Shea, Blond Redhead, Cibo Matto, MM&W, Mark Ribot and others. note: Not familiar with this guy? There's re-issues of his stuff now, but Mick Harvey from the Bad Seeds, and Crime has a collection of his songs translated very well into English called The Intoxicated Man. Another volume by Harvey is due out in a month or so. He was a funny guy, old Serge. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tricky88@earthlink.net Subject: Parachute Years Box Date: 17 Sep 1997 22:44:15 -0700 A while back I offered to get some of these for people on the Zorn-list because I work at a record distributor. Several people were interested. Well, I got them in, we have about 10 left at work, and if anyone is still interested in buying one of these from me, I would still be happy to send them out. Again, the reason I offer is that I get them at cost: $81, and it has a list of $99.98. Plus I don't get charged tax on my purchases, so that takes off another $8.00 you'd pay the govt. Postage is $3 (they ARE heavy though), so the total is $84. If your store didn't get it, or it costs too much there; drop me a line. About the box: -The packaging IS very nice; lots of notes to read while listening. One thing struck me as odd; Zorn's picture on the front of the set. Other than the Early Years; it seems rather out of character for him to put himself on itso literally. Not that he seems like a modest man though... Inside there ARE admittedly many photos of the players; but this was late 70s, and MOST people looked REALLY ugly then. The personal photos, all candid, contrast poorly with the gorgeous (game of) pool pictures in the set, and the individual cover art, though it is a bit small to see clearly. The notes in Hockey are very short and simple. In Archery, expanded to 3 CDs (one of rehersals) the notes are very extensive; both technical and anecdotal. I hate to spend so much time raving about the design of the thing, but the music is going to take many weeks for me to digest (and will have to compete with new Cornershop and Southern Culture on the Skids). And I've never seen a label care so much about design as Tzadik. So far, I must admit that I genuinely like what I've heard more than I thought I would. -Mark. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Masada dead? Not quite... (plus Dave Douglas news) Date: 18 Sep 1997 12:17:22 -0400 Having run the alarmist rumor flag up the pole yesterday, I feel duty bound to provide an update: Last night I asked Dave Douglas if Masada was truly coming to an end, and mentioned the rumor that the New York shows would be their last. He said that Masada 10 had been recorded on Monday the 15th, bringing the band's studio commitment to an end, but that they would continue to play together on occasion, although they would have to raise their collective price tag since it's so difficult to get them all together lately as they're all so busy. Regarding the Knit shows, he said it would probably be the band's last club run in New York since the price they get there is not the price they envision for the future. But yes, the band will continue whenever they get the right offer, presumably mostly at festivals and so on. And of course Tzadik has promised live material from Cafe Mogador (a tiny Morrocan restaurant in the East Village where they workshopped the material every Monday night for a few months at the very beginning, the crowd spilling out onto the sidewalk and pressed up close to the band, a very charged atmosphere) and Jerusalem, so the flow of Masada on disc is in no danger of drying up soon. And that's not to mention all the tapes out there being traded... Dave also mentioned he had just recorded with (if memory serves) Guy Klucevsek, Mark Feldman and Erik Friedlander for Winter and Winter (which he says is right on the verge of having an American distribution deal) and with Chris Potter, James Genus and Ben Perowsky (his straightahead jazz quartet) for Arabesque. This in addition to the recently released "Sanctuary" and the soon-to-be released Wayne Shorter tribute with his sextet for Arabeque. And in December he'll take that latter sextet uptown for a week at the toney Iridium club in New York. Busy as ever... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Marks" Subject: Re: Masada dead? Not quite... Date: 18 Sep 1997 12:38:54 -0400 > Last night I asked Dave Douglas if Masada was truly coming to an end, > and mentioned the rumor that the New York shows would be their last. > > He said that Masada 10 had been recorded on Monday the 15th, bringing > the band's studio commitment to an end, but that they would continue to > play together on occasion, although they would have to raise their > collective price tag since it's so difficult to get them all together > lately as they're all so busy. Anyone have any clues/educated-guesses as to what Zorn's next "major" project will be, now that Masada seems to be winding down? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Painkiller (was Re: Masada dead?) Date: 18 Sep 1997 09:43:11 -0700 So does anyone know if Painkiller will play again? Bill's response on this is that it is up to John Zorn. Jeff Spirer Axiom Records: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJOERN Subject: FUNNY GAMES OST Date: 18 Sep 1997 20:18:43 +0200 (MESZ) i was told that there are two songs of NAKED CITY in the movie FUNNY GAMES which is in cinemas in europe at the moment....... anyone know which songs they are?? BJOERN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ethan Subject: knitting factory tonight Date: 18 Sep 1997 15:46:16 -0400 (EDT) KISMET, a ragged group of improvisors from Chapel Hill, North Carolina, is performing tonight at the Alterknit Theater at the Knitting Factory (11pm; $6). Appearing with Kismet will be Michael Lytle (of Dr. Nerve) and Ed Chang. Kismet has a CD out on Daisy Lane Records; you can listen to it with Realaudio at http://www.webslingerz.com/daisylane Here's a review of the CD that will appear in issue # 30 of IMPROVIJAZZATION NATION: kismet: CURIOUS YELLOW - Now, here's some refreshing improv! Yah, I know FZ said jazz wasn't dead & that it "smelled funny"... well, this stuff SOUNDS >funny... movement in perpetua, no long segues or horrendous stretches of >"nothingness" to bore ya' to tears. Clearly improvised, but it >sounds like something you'd expect to hear on yer' first voyage to Jupiter. >Real feel of "looseness" in th' playing that makes a surely "sweet" >impression on this reviewer's aural appendages. If yer' lookin' for >somethin' jazzy, new & (quite) hard to define - GET THIS! >Dick Metcalf, aka Rotcod Zzaj >Editor, IMPROVIJAZZATION NATION 'zine & >Perpetrator, Zzaj Productions tapes >http://www.olywa.net/rotcod ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: Skate Key Date: 18 Sep 1997 18:23:54 -0400 Is the Naked City song "Skate Key" on any albums? I love this tune... -Tom Pratt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Skate Key Date: 18 Sep 1997 17:59:32 -0700 Tom Pratt wrote: > > Is the Naked City song "Skate Key" on any albums? I love this tune... > > -Tom Pratt Sure, cut 17 on 'Radio' Brian O. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Parachute Years Box Date: 18 Sep 1997 20:47:15 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 tricky88@earthlink.net wrote: > Again, the reason I offer is that I get them at cost: $81, and it has a > list of $99.98. Plus I don't get charged tax on my purchases, so that > takes off another $8.00 you'd pay the govt. Postage is $3 (they ARE > heavy though), so the total is $84. Hrmmm. My retailer charged me $79 plus tax. Does he just like me a lot or what? (Mind you, that still worked out to slightly more than the total cost of Mark's offer. Just curious, that's all.) Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp Date: 18 Sep 1997 22:57:16 -0400 I've been listening to plenty of Ives, Bartok and Penderecki as of late and want to take it a step further. I want to hear the always-talked-about music of Steve Reich and Harry Partch. For some STRANGE reason, I have yet to own anything of either of theirs. I have heard multiple snippets though. SO, I would like to buy one album by each of them and would love your help. Tell me: what are your favorite albums by Partch and Reich?????? I haven't seen much talk on Duras:Duchamp which I find very excellent and much more successful than Redbird. I am pissed to see John Medeski's name spelled wrong though (they spelled "Medesky"). Hate that... -Tom Pratt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp Date: 18 Sep 1997 22:58:31 -0400 (EDT) > always-talked-about music of Steve Reich and Harry Partch. For some > STRANGE reason, I have yet to own anything of either of theirs. I have > heard multiple snippets though. SO, I would like to buy one album by > each of them and would love your help. Tell me: what are your favorite > albums by Partch and Reich?????? Tom - one of my favorite Reich recordings is the work he did with the Kronos quartet and Pat Metheney: two pieces on an Elektra/Nonesuch CD called "Different Trains" and "Electric Counterpoint". > and much more successful than Redbird. I am pissed to see John Medeski's > name spelled wrong though (they spelled "Medesky"). Hate that... Is John Medesky of Polish descent? | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland http://www.artswire.org/~mrd/nozze school of music | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Schwitterz Subject: Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp Date: 18 Sep 1997 20:35:37 -0700 Tom Pratt wrote: > Tell me: what are your favorite > albums by Partch and Reich?????? Steve Reich: DRUMMING...the Deutsche Grammophon version is superior to the version he re-did when CDs came out [the DG version is now on CD] and MUSIC FOR 18 MUSICIANS on ECM Harry Partch: My favorite may not be on CD = DELUSION OF THE FURY...the recent ENCLOSURE TWO is essential, but is a 4CD set and may not be the place to start...it has some very primitive recordings of Partch performing his own stuff, especially Ten Li Po Lyrics...Also fabulous versions of Barstow and US Highball... Tied with Sun Ra for my all time favorite live music experiences was seeing Barstow and Delusion of the Fury performed by Partch's ensemble on his instruments [how else?] in San Diego many years ago...seeing Reich perform DRUMMING in its entirety at LA's Dorothy Chandler Pavilion ranks up there as well... Schwitterz > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp Date: 19 Sep 1997 00:52:06 -0700 Schwitterz wrote: > > Tom Pratt wrote: > > > Tell me: what are your favorite > > albums by Partch and Reich?????? > > Steve Reich: DRUMMING...the Deutsche Grammophon version is superior to the > version he re-did when CDs came out [the DG version is now on CD] and MUSIC > FOR 18 MUSICIANS on ECM > Agreed, as to 'Drumming' (on DG) being the essential one. I'd also highly recommend 'Early Works', 'Sextet', and 'Octet/Violin Phase'. > Harry Partch: My favorite may not be on CD = DELUSION OF THE FURY...the > recent ENCLOSURE TWO is essential, but is a 4CD set and may not be the place > to start...it has some very primitive recordings of Partch performing his > own stuff, especially Ten Li Po Lyrics...Also fabulous versions of Barstow > and US Highball... Agreed once again, 'Delusion' easily makes my desert island list and is most fondly awaited on disc. You might also try CRI's 'The Music of Harry Partch' which contains several essential pieces including 'The Letter' and 'On the Seventh Day Petals Fell on Petaluma'. As to 'Duras:Duchamp', I think the former piece is possibly the best work yet from JZ in his 'classical' mode, reminding me strongly of both Messaien and Bryar's relatively unknown 'Hommages' (Disques du Crepuscule). I enjoy the Duchamp thing also, though it did send both my wife and dog fleeing from the room... Brian O. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BJOERN Subject: PARACHUTE YEARS Date: 19 Sep 1997 08:24:10 +0200 (MESZ) well i just have a simple question..please answer privatly...... i really love most of the stuff zorn has done but i am not too sure about the parachute thing....i mean here in germany it costs more than 100 $ and i am not THAT rich....... well i love Naked City and most of the Nonsuch stuff i also loved Cynical Hysterie a lot and maybe stuff like Elegy....... i am not too much into Masada and Painkiller......Locus Solus took me a hell lot of time to get into and i still do not know if i like it or not...... well any guesses if i should buy the Parachute thing (and dont tell me about its great design and linernotes etc...i saw it in the store yesterday and it is amazing.....) BJOERN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Masada dead? Not quite... Date: 19 Sep 1997 04:20:24 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-09-18 12:46:38 EDT, you write: > > Anyone have any clues/educated-guesses as to what Zorn's next > "major" project will be, now that Masada seems to be winding down? More free imrpov stuff, ala recent concerts at the Knit, the Zorn / Previte disc, etc. Jody ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp Date: 19 Sep 1997 10:10:28 -0500 Tehillim (sp?) Is an excellent Steve Reich Peice. ************************************************************** " i can't imagine how you can be you and not wanna be dead" "Melville". ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Benton Subject: Re: Masada dead? Not quite... (plus Dave Douglas news) Date: 19 Sep 1997 13:41:32 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Steve Smith wrote: > Having run the alarmist rumor flag up the pole yesterday, I feel duty > bound to provide an update: > > Last night I asked Dave Douglas if Masada was truly coming to an end, > and mentioned the rumor that the New York shows would be their last. > > He said that Masada 10 had been recorded on Monday the 15th, bringing > the band's studio commitment to an end, but that they would continue to > play together on occasion, although they would have to raise their > collective price tag since it's so difficult to get them all together > lately as they're all so busy. Regarding the Knit shows, he said it > would probably be the band's last club run in New York since the price > they get there is not the price they envision for the future. But yes, > the band will continue whenever they get the right offer, presumably > mostly at festivals and so on. > Of course, I suppose there's always the possibility that Zorn could keep Masada active with some less pricey sidemen, I've always thought it was a real shame that none of the other incarnations of the Masada project got documented. In fact, I'll admit to it here in this public forum, but I've always thought that the long ago forgotten "West Coast" group (Zorn, Ben Goldberg - clarinet, Trevor Dunn - bass, Kenny Wollesen - drums) pretty much kicked ass all over the main ensemble. Everyone was just so manic and over the top, it was really incredible. The Zorn/Ribot/Medeski/Martin band wasn't too shabby either. Of course, like a lot of other folks, I'm also looking forward to see if we can expect another brand spankin' new "working band" from Mr. Z as Masada sort of comes to a close. So I think either way here we win... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jesse Simon Subject: Re: Reich, Partch etc. Date: 20 Sep 1997 03:19:54 As far as programmatic music is concerned, Steve Reich's The Desert Music can't be beat. It's an album length five movement piece with text by William Carlos Williams. The third movement is astounding. My favorite piece however is probably Violin Phase which features a soloist playing against pretaped versions of himself. It's available on an ECM record with (I believe) Octet. It's all good though Jesse ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jesse Simon Subject: Re: Leng Tch'e Date: 20 Sep 1997 03:24:17 There was some discussion of Naked City's Leng Tch'e just the other day and it occured to me that I had a aquestion about it too: Does anyone know weather this piece was improvised in the studio or if there is an actual score (or at very least notations regarding what to play)? If there is a score, where might one get a copy of it? Thanks for your answers, Jesse ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john shiurba Subject: Re: Leng Tch'e Date: 19 Sep 1997 13:51:13 -0700 > There was some discussion of Naked City's Leng Tch'e just the other day and > it occured to me that I had a aquestion about it too: > Does anyone know weather this piece was improvised in the studio or if > there is an actual score (or at very least notations regarding what to > play)? If there is a score, where might one get a copy of it? there is a score, i've seen them perform it (more or less) as it's recorded-- i don't know where you can get the score, but this piece should be pretty easy to transcribe, as long as you don't mind counting a lot of sustained whole notes -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Schwitterz Subject: Paging Tom Pratt Date: 19 Sep 1997 16:07:44 -0700 I do hope you'll let us know which Reich/Partch you procured and what you thought of it/them. Schwitterz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen drury Subject: NYPhilharmonic commission Date: 19 Sep 1997 22:26:33 -0400 Yo -- check out the January 22 ('98) program of the New York Philharmonic. (http://www.newyorkphilharmonic.org) Or come to Boston University's Tsai Center to hear Zorn's "Carny" Sept. 28. --- steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: Reich recommendations Date: 19 Sep 1997 22:55:16 -0400 I like Music for 18 Musicians a lot but my personal favorite is EARLY WORKS (Nonesuch) which includes his early tape experiments 'Come Out' and 'It's Gonna Rain' as well as 'Piano Phase.' This material isn't just historical- they're amazingly rich experiments. Jason Perfect Sound Forever Warped perspectives on all types of music perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: PARACHUTE YEARS Date: 19 Sep 1997 23:43:39 -0400 (EDT) I would recommend buying it, to have that alternate version of Lacrosse is almost worth the price alone! (Naked City used to play Lacrosse..) Jody ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: NYPhilharmonic commission Date: 20 Sep 1997 00:26:17 -0400 stephen drury wrote: > Yo -- check out the January 22 ('98) program of the New York > Philharmonic. > (http://www.newyorkphilharmonic.org) That's a very interesting program (for those who didn't want to make the trip through the NYPhil's website, it's William Schuman's New England Triptych, Joseph Schwantner's Percussion Concerto, Aaron Copland's complete Billy the Kid, and the world premiere of a little something called Orchestra Variations by some guy named Zorn) and I'll be sure to be there. But I pray to all the gods there be that the orchestra is kinder to Slatkin than they were when they played the Adams Violin Concerto and "Slonimsky's Earbox," the Ives 3rd Symphony, and Ellington's "Harlem" under him last season. In that concert they sucked stale bathwater through their collective backdoor. I have absolutely nothing against the Phil and plan to continue hearing them often. But this was possibly the least inspired playing I've ever heard from a major orchestra. Then Adams took the podium to conduct a little encore ditty by Astor Piazzolla and suddenly the orchestra sounds world class. Was it Slatkin they had a problem with? Who knows? Anyway, cross your fingers for our boy Johnny. Al least with the NYPhil everyone can hear the radio broadcast. Any idea when the piano concerto disc is due, Stephen? Best, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com > > > Or come to Boston University's Tsai Center to hear Zorn's "Carny" > Sept. 28. > --- steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Leng Tch'e Date: 19 Sep 1997 23:25:33 -0800 John Shiurba wrote: >>Jesse Simon wrote: >> There was some discussion of Naked City's Leng Tch'e just the other day and >> it occured to me that I had a aquestion about it too: >> Does anyone know weather this piece was improvised in the studio or if >> there is an actual score (or at very least notations regarding what to >> play)? If there is a score, where might one get a copy of it? > >there is a score, i've seen them perform it (more or less) as it's >recorded-- i don't >know where you can get the score, but this piece should be pretty easy to >transcribe, >as long as you don't mind counting a lot of sustained whole notes >- -- John's right that there's a score for the piece, but wrong about counting sustained whole notes (or maybe I'm misunderstanding his phrase). The piece is less than a full page long (I think it's about five lines or so). It'd be more a matter of counting out sub-divisions of a VERY slow pulse. Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mcbride/turner" Subject: reich recommendations Date: 20 Sep 1997 08:56:06 -0400 i've heard very little, but i'll second the votes for the kronos/metheny album, 'different trains/electric counterpoint' and also for 'music for 18 musicians'. as i recall, electric counterpoint and music for 18 musicians are very similar in that they use this same quick-tempo, regular, pulsing crescendos as intros and part-delineaters, and if the motive material isn't close to identical then it's treatment is, but the timbral difference is awesome, and i think these pieces make a fine pair of bookends. and i don't know what album or compilation it's on, but there's also an excellent tape piece from the sixties, either called 'come out, come out' or 'come out and show them' ultra repetitive, but if you like it, you'll love it, if you get my meaning. (probably means if you dislike it, you'll hate it. :)) have fun, robert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Reich boxset Date: 20 Sep 1997 20:27:32 -0400 Has anybody heard the new recordings of earlier works that are on the new Reich boxset? Better, worse, etc than the other recorded versions? Lang Thompson http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian & Sharon Beuchaw Subject: Re: Reich boxset Date: 20 Sep 1997 21:09:00 -0500 (CDT) On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, Lang Thompson wrote: > Has anybody heard the new recordings of earlier works that are on the new > Reich boxset? Better, worse, etc than the other recorded versions? Unfortunately, I can't help out much here, but I thought I'd add my almost meaningless post anyway. :-) I've only heard/got the DG _Drumming_, etc. CDs and I haven't listened to that part of the box, but I have to say that it would've been nice to have the original recordings, just for the historical sake of it. I know this is prob'ly impossible, since the box is done by Nonesuch and they'll use their own recordings over the others. Sorry I couldn't be of much help.... cya brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "allen huotari" Subject: cds for sale/trade Date: 21 Sep 1997 09:44:49 UT greetings fellow zornophiles here's a quartet of items I have for sale or trade (at bargain rates, info to follow) no Zorn content but all artists have been discussed at one point or another on this list so will (hopefully) be of interest here we go: Eyvind Kang "7 NADES" (Tzadik TZ 7013) Tony Conrad "Slapping Pythagoras" (Table of the Elements 23) includes Jim O'Rourke, David Grubbs, others Heiner Goebbels/Alfred 23 Harth "Goebbels Heart" (Eva wwcx2042) includes Dagmar Krause various artists "At Close Quarters" (These 7) live recordings from These Records shop London includes Steve Beresford, Charles Hayward, David Toop, Nicolas Collins, Morphogenesis, others prices are $10 each for any single (or pair) of disc(s) $25 for any three $30 for all four all prices include postage to anywhere in the USofA (outside of USofA trades are much preferred) if you have any questions or would like to reserve a disc, PLEASE respond to me (Allen Huotari) NOT to the zorn-list you may respond to either of two e-mail addresses: zmasada@classic.msn.com or allenh@smtpgate.tais.com that's it, first come, first served if you are interested in a trade please send your list of items and beyond this offer, wants lists are welcome at any time ajh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert van Heumen Subject: Masada scrores? Date: 21 Sep 1997 21:07:32 +0100 Hi. First contact... I'm planning on starting a band to play Masada pieces; does anyone know if there are scores available somewhere ? And.. I'm still looking for people to join... so if you're living in the Netherlands (or am I the only dutch person on this list??) and playing drums, bass or saxophone (yes, I'm a trumpet player) or any other instrument you think could be appropiate for this kind of music, please contact me! By the way, I just bought Douglas' Sanctuary. At first I didn't like it very much (it's so hectic, even if you are used to Zorn) but after some more listening, I think it's interesting.... but is it beauty? It also reminded me of Miles Davis' Bitches Brew and Live Evil, which I like very much. Ok that's all. Robert. * information is not knowledge knowledge is not wisdom wisdom is not truth truth is not beauty beauty is not love love is not music music is the best * *frank vincent zappa* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Pratt Subject: Zorn/Previte Date: 21 Sep 1997 17:29:30 -0400 When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released? -Tom Pratt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte Date: 21 Sep 1997 18:09:59 -0400 (EDT) On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Tom Pratt wrote: > When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released? It's been available at stores in Pittsburgh for the last week and a half. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: slawlor Subject: parachute question? Date: 21 Sep 1997 20:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Hi there. I guess parachute was a label that zorn was on? Can someone give me an overview of the material, not necessarily of the box set, but of the original recordings? Thanks for the information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: penwaves@mindspring.com (joel lewis) Subject: Re: Reich, Partch etc. Date: 21 Sep 1997 22:22:59 -0400 (EDT) i reccomend dg drumming & ecm music for 18 musicians, tho' i suppose that the 10 cd set of reich would satisfy one for a bit. two best partch intro have yet to be reissued: world of harry partch & delsuions of the fury, both on cbs. the latter came with a seperate disk that featured demonstrations of the individual instruments and partch talking about his music--set also came w/ a beautiful booklet. right now-- the cri recordings are essential. keep a look out for the newband recordings under supervision of dean drummond who played on partch's cbs recordings -- they plan to record entire partch cannon joel lewis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: penwaves@mindspring.com (joel lewis) Subject: Re: Masada dead? Not quite... Date: 21 Sep 1997 22:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Re: zorn's future plans. i had a phone conversation w/ zorn a few months ago, and he seemed to indicate that he would be spending much of the next year working on compsoitions and was reducing his playing schedule. joel lewis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott T Chamberlin Subject: description of pattons new disk Date: 21 Sep 1997 21:32:38 -0500 (EST) I was just listening to Patton's Pranzo Oltranzista on my computer, and my CD player looks up the disk info off of a database, and the disk came up listing the band as smell, and the title of the disk as penile goo. I think that this is a joke, and not a mistake because the track listing is all correct. Just thought I'd add this. -Scott chambest@cs.purdue.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen drury Subject: Re: NYPhilharmonic commission Date: 21 Sep 1997 22:53:29 -0400 Steve (and Zornlistgang) -- You know, John Cage once publicly referred to the NYPhilharmonic as "bandits". Overpaid bandits, I might add. Well, one can always hope; see you there. At 12:26 AM 9/20/97 -0400, you wrote: > >But I pray to all the gods there be that the orchestra is kinder to >Slatkin than they were when they played the Adams Violin Concerto and >"Slonimsky's Earbox," the Ives 3rd Symphony, and Ellington's "Harlem" >under him last season. In that concert they sucked stale bathwater >through their collective backdoor. I have absolutely nothing against >the Phil and plan to continue hearing them often. But this was possibly >the least inspired playing I've ever heard from a major orchestra. Then >Adams took the podium to conduct a little encore ditty by Astor >Piazzolla and suddenly the orchestra sounds world class. Was it Slatkin >they had a problem with? Who knows? Anyway, cross your fingers for our >boy Johnny. > >Al least with the NYPhil everyone can hear the radio broadcast. Any >idea when the piano concerto disc is due, Stephen? > Zorn's concerto still has a few segments that need to be dropped in (like the boy's choir), so who knows. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Zorn's future plans Date: 22 Sep 1997 00:20:10 -0400 (EDT) On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, joel lewis wrote: > i had a phone conversation w/ zorn a few months ago, and he seemed to > indicate that he would be spending much of the next year working on > compsoitions and was reducing his playing schedule. Well, that's good. He's been kind of slack about putting out new material recently. 8^) Chris Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tkorpipa@siba.fi Subject: Re: reich recommendations Date: 22 Sep 1997 13:33:20 +0200 (GMT+0200) On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, mcbride/turner wrote: > and i don't know what album or compilation it's on, but there's also an > excellent tape piece from the sixties, either called 'come out, come > out' or 'come out and show them' ultra repetitive, but if you like it, > you'll love it, if you get my meaning. (probably means if you dislike > it, you'll hate it. :)) it's early works by electra/nonesuch. also has piano phase, clapping music and the other superb tape work it's gonna rain. teemu :::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::: ruumen: http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html ::::::::::::::: 'You only got one finger left and it's pointing at the door' - beck - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marlene McMullen" Subject: Re: reich recommendations Date: 22 Sep 1997 06:54:37 -0700 >On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, mcbride/turner wrote: > >> and i don't know what album or compilation it's on, but there's also an >> excellent tape piece from the sixties, either called 'come out, come >> out' or 'come out and show them' ultra repetitive, but if you like it, Captain Beefheart uses the phrase 'Come out to show dem' on the tune "Moonlight On Vermont" which was recorded after Reich's piece...always wondered if there was a conscious connection. Also, on the "Bruise Blood Re-Mix" of Tortoise's "DJED," U.N.K.L.E. makes heavy use of samples of Reich's piece. Sz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte Date: 22 Sep 1997 11:57:38 -0400 Christopher Hamilton wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Tom Pratt wrote: > > > When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released? > > It's been available at stores in Pittsburgh for the last week and a > half. > > Chris Hamilton It was officially released last Tuesday. It should be in the same stores you find Tzadik releases in since it's distributed by Koch. If not, Downtown Music Gellery is handling domestic mailorder, and foreign mailorder information is now posted on the Depth of field site (http://members.aol.com/DOField). Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte Date: 22 Sep 1997 10:16:10 -0500 On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:29:30 -0400 Tom Pratt writes: >When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released? > > -Tom Pratt > > It's been out for a few days here. Quite the excellent album, in my opinion. ************************************************************** " i can't imagine how you can be you and not wanna be dead" "Melville". ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john shiurba Subject: Re: parachute question? Date: 22 Sep 1997 13:54:06 -0700 slawlor wrote: > > Hi there. I guess parachute was a label that zorn was on? Can someone > give me an overview of the material, not necessarily of the box set, but > of the original recordings? Thanks for the information. Parachute was a label started by Eugene Chadbourne, the releases of this label include: Zorn/Chadbourne- School Zorn/Chadbourne- 2000 Statues/the English Channel Zorn- Archery Zorn- Pool and also records by Eugene Chadbourne, Henry Kaiser, Lesli Dalaba, Polly Bradfield and surely I've forgotten one or two. -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte Date: 22 Sep 1997 22:03:13 -0400 Steve Smith wrote: > Christopher Hamilton wrote: > > > On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Tom Pratt wrote: > > > > > When is the Zorn/Previte thing going to be released? > > > > It's been available at stores in Pittsburgh for the last week and a > > half. > > > > Chris Hamilton > > It was officially released last Tuesday. It should be in the same > stores you find Tzadik releases in since it's distributed by Koch. If > > not, Downtown Music Gellery is handling domestic mailorder, and > foreign > mailorder information is now posted on the Depth of field site > (http://members.aol.com/DOField). > > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com And one excellent recording it is! For a Previte fan, yours truly, it's great to hear so much of Bobby. It's surprising that the duo format offers so much variety, which IMHO is due to Bobby's musical prowess. Though the pieces are short, the work hangs together quite nicely. It's not at all a speed race ala Naked City. Alan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: reich Date: 23 Sep 1997 08:29:45 -0400 I'm not sure how the Reich got started on this list, but IMHO "The Cave" is worth a listen. Now it's not something I'm going to sit down with every day, but I think it was overlooked by critics and fans alike. Perhaps it's impact is lessened due to length or the fact that it was originally presented in a visual format, but nevertheless I think it has many merits. Takes some concentration and you've got to have the libretto in front of you, but it's worth the trip. Alan E Kayser ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Leng Tche Date: 23 Sep 1997 09:16:14 -0400 >> Would someone be able to tell me what Leng Tche is supposed to >> mean...? > 100 pieces. It was a torture method. On April 10, 1905, Louis Carpeaux, a western photographer, and possibly Georges Dumas, an early psychologist, were present at the execution of Fou Tchou Li, guilty of murder of a prince. Because of the merciful benevolence (!) of the emporer, he was not burned as he had been sentenced, but cut into 100 pieces while still alive (and given massive doses of opium to prolong the agony). Carpeaux brought back photos of the execution, one of which was published by Dumas in his 1923 Treatise of Psychology. One is also incorporated into the cover art of the original edition of Leng Tche -- I don't know if it is in the black box or not. A number of artists have been fascinated by the photos, not only for the sheer grisliness, but because of the expression on the victim's face, which has been interpreted as being one of ecstasy and joy. --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions do not reflect on management For every complex question there is a simple answer, and it is wrong. (H. L. Mencken) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Shepherd Subject: Re: Leng Tche Date: 23 Sep 1997 10:13:26 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Caleb Deupree wrote: > -- I don't know if it is in the black box or not. Yeah, it is. All the original art from Leng Tch'e and Torture Garden is included in Black Box, plus an extra insert explaining the sources and signifigance behind each piece of art. All that plus the delightful music for only $19.99! It's worth checking out. - Mike "It's only romantic 'cause it never works." - Harriet the Spy ********************************* Mike Shepherd rein0065@frank.mtsu.edu Middle Tennessee State University (615) 898-3652 ********************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stickman Subject: Masada at the Knit. Date: 23 Sep 1997 19:47:03 -0700 To Steve Smith or someone similarly informed: What are the times for the Masada shows thursday, friday, and saturday? Will there be tables & chairs, or will it be a standing gig for fans? Will they perform on the stage, or on the floor(last year they played on the floor. Best spot: Back table next to joey's drums.) Also, thanks so much for always giving out the best Zorn info. regards, Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Masada at the Knit. Date: 23 Sep 1997 22:37:34 -0400 stickman wrote: > What are the times for the Masada shows thursday, friday, and > saturday? 8 and 10 on Thursday, 9 and 11 on Friday and Saturday. > Will there be tables & chairs, or will it be a standing gig for fans? My thought is that it will most likely be seated, but without tables most likely since they expect big crowds as the rumor leaks around town that these are the last Masada shows in New York or ever (remember, neither is exactly true). > Will they perform on the stage, or on the floor(last year they played > on > the floor. Best spot: Back table next to joey's drums.) I think they'll probably be on the floor, as was the case during the last two runs in which I saw them. Which means it would really suck if the Knit decides it's a standing show. BTW the live broadcast is back up on the Knit's website now, but when I "tuned in" last night I could see the video but got no audio feed (pretty frustrating when I could see how hard Peter Brotzmann was playing). Anybody encountered anything different? Thanks for the compliment... I'm really just a fan who's in a great position to hear things and loves to share them (a.k.a. a goddamn bigmouth...) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Re: Masada at the Knit. Date: 23 Sep 1997 20:32:46 -0700 >BTW the live broadcast is back up on the Knit's website now, but when I >"tuned in" last night I could see the video but got no audio feed >(pretty frustrating when I could see how hard Peter Brotzmann was >playing). Anybody encountered anything different? > >>Steve Smith It was working on all cylinders tonight, for the first time in my household. Schwitterz > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Masada at the Knit. Date: 23 Sep 1997 23:52:28 -0400 Steve Smith wrote: > BTW the live broadcast is back up on the Knit's website now, but when > I > "tuned in" last night I could see the video but got no audio feed > (pretty frustrating when I could see how hard Peter Brotzmann was > playing). Anybody encountered anything different? If I'd kept my mouth shut a little longer I could have answered my own question, since right now I'm seeing and hearing Ravi Coltrane, Mixashawn, Pheeroan ak Laff and Rashied Ali tear it up on a late-period John Coltrane piece in honor of Trane's 71st birthday tonight. Of course, that still doesn't necessarily bode well for a netcast of Masada's shows... if they do play on the floor and nobody thinks to move the camera from its position next to the mixing board, all you'll see is audience members sitting on the stage. Stay tuned... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Lane/Grand Guignol Date: 24 Sep 1997 17:00:42 +1000 2 Questions: Can anyone tell me what (if any) involvement Jay Lane (drummer for Charlie Hunter Trio and Sausage) has had with John Zorn? I just remember vaguely reading something about this somewhere. Also, what is the significance of the Grand Guignol cover? Who is this guy? Thanks... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc A. Foster" Subject: Re: Lane/Grand Guignol Date: 24 Sep 1997 09:18:49 -0500 --------------C600ABE23A18CE804385DBFF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you're interested in the Grand Guignol artwork, check out Dr. Stanley Burns at http://www2.sva.edu/threads/aaron/burnsarchive/history.html You may also be interested in Joel-Peter Witkin, who collaborated with Dr. Burns and has done some amazing (beautiful, anyone?) work himself. Look at www.twinpalms.com. They publish two of his books and have some of his work on their site, along with a host of other interesting visual artists. I'm not sure who the dead man is, but I think the cover photo is credited to Burns. I need to look at the CD insert. Anyway, read the article at: http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/performing_arts_journal/18.2villasenor.html Portrait of a Dead Man sounds like the Grand Guignol cover photo to me. Can anyone confirm this? Marc Foster Julian wrote: > 2 Questions: > > Can anyone tell me what (if any) involvement Jay Lane (drummer for Charlie > Hunter Trio and Sausage) has had with John Zorn? I just remember vaguely > reading something about this somewhere. > > Also, what is the significance of the Grand Guignol cover? Who is this guy? > > Thanks... --------------C600ABE23A18CE804385DBFF Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you're interested in the Grand Guignol artwork, check out Dr. Stanley Burns at

http://www2.sva.edu/threads/aaron/burnsarchive/history.html

You may also be interested in Joel-Peter Witkin, who collaborated with Dr. Burns and has done some amazing (beautiful, anyone?) work himself. Look at www.twinpalms.com. They publish two of his books and have some of his work on their site, along with a host of other interesting visual artists.

I'm not sure who the dead man is, but I think the cover photo is credited to Burns. I need to look at the CD insert. Anyway, read the article at: http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/performing_arts_journal/18.2villasenor.html
Portrait of a Dead Man sounds like the Grand Guignol cover photo to me. Can anyone confirm this?

Marc Foster

Julian wrote:

2 Questions:

Can anyone tell me what (if any) involvement Jay Lane (drummer for Charlie
Hunter Trio and Sausage) has had with John Zorn? I just remember vaguely
reading something about this somewhere.

Also, what is the significance of the Grand Guignol cover? Who is this guy?

Thanks...

  --------------C600ABE23A18CE804385DBFF-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Chamberlin Subject: Zorn on Monk Date: 24 Sep 1997 16:38:46 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------72F44F88E56D88F1654CE31C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was just looking over the liner notes of "The Big Gundown" and I was wondering where I could get the Monk trubute album that it mentioned Zorn played on. Is it still in print?, or is it available anywhere? -Scott Chamberlin chambest@cs.purdue.edu --------------72F44F88E56D88F1654CE31C Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Scott Chamberlin Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Scott Chamberlin n: Chamberlin;Scott org: Purdue University email;internet: chambest@cs.purdue.edu x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------72F44F88E56D88F1654CE31C-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Zorn on Monk Date: 24 Sep 1997 18:05:49 -0400 >>>>> "Scott" == Scott Chamberlin writes: Scott> I was just looking over the liner notes of "The Big Scott> Gundown" and I was wondering where I could get the Monk Scott> trubute album that it mentioned Zorn played on. Is it Scott> still in print?, or is it available anywhere? -Scott It was a two-record set called That's the Way I Feel Now, produced by (who else?) Hal Willner. I've never seen it on CD. --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions do not reflect on management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Zorn on Monk Date: 24 Sep 1997 15:13:19 -0700 On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:05:49 -0400 Caleb Deupree wrote: > > >>>>> "Scott" == Scott Chamberlin writes: > > Scott> I was just looking over the liner notes of "The Big > Scott> Gundown" and I was wondering where I could get the Monk > Scott> trubute album that it mentioned Zorn played on. Is it > Scott> still in print?, or is it available anywhere? -Scott > > It was a two-record set called That's the Way I Feel Now, produced by > (who else?) Hal Willner. I've never seen it on CD. It is even worse than that: the Zorn track is not on the CD reissue !#!$$@$@#%@#%@# If you want this astonishing version if SHUFFLE BOIL, you will have to track down the 2xLP. Patrice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "pjm" Subject: somewhat off subject... Date: 24 Sep 1997 15:57:51 -0700 Sorry to drift off topic, but there is a great local trio here called Pacer that brings to mind Naked City and James Chance, and i've posted a few samples at: http://www.memes.com/~pjm/pacer.html I've seen them live twice and they are wonderfully tight and passionate. Luke plays sax, Abi plays bass and Trev plays drums and they all sing. More like James Chance the more i listen.... Cheers pjm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen drury Subject: Melvins? Patton? Date: 24 Sep 1997 22:17:50 -0400 I know this is real old; I just found it, so if anybody still cares: >On Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:31:58 +1000, Julian wrote: > >When I purchased my copy of "Leng Tch'e" I was told by the sales guy that >this piece was performed by John Zorn, the Melvins & Mike Patton as >Naked City. When I questioned him, he was almost violently sure that this >was fact. Upon repeated listenings, I found that there were some places >where it sounds like it could quite definitely be Mike Patton. In others, >it sounded like Yamatsuka Eye. I'm not sure if this is an often asked >question, but some friends and I were wondering if it is either Patton or >Eye? Or perhaps both?? I was there, in the studio when the guitar tracks were being laid down for Leng Tch'e. Frith and Frisell. --- steve drury ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rladew@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew) Subject: "Carny" in Boston? Date: 24 Sep 1997 23:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Could someone give me any more info about the Carny performance at BU? Who's performing? What is Carny? Will Zorn be there (doubt it)? Also, did anyone on the Zorn list in the N.E. area see the info about Dave douglas in December (Boston) and Bill Frisell in October (Lexington, Mass)? We should network at these shows...... Much respect, Rich Ladew rladew@hopper.unh.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: What Lies in Zorn's Future... Date: 25 Sep 1997 00:49:48 -0400 ... well, who the hell knows? But here's another nifty curveball from the master of suspense. Zorn will be playing the music of legendary organist Larry Young, the B3 innovator from Tony Williams Lifetime and a host of other memorable albums, at the Knitting Factory on Wednesday, October 22. He'll be joined by Marc Ribot, John Medeski, Kenny Wollesen and Cyro Baptista. Sounds like an evening of serious burn to this youngster who discovered Young far too late. (Gad, even post partem I seem doomed to always report the news of the Knit. I need a shrink...) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Re: What Lies in Zorn's Future... Date: 24 Sep 1997 22:11:23 -0700 > >(Gad, even post partem I seem doomed to always report the news of the >Knit. I need a shrink...) > >Steve Smith I am indeed a psychologist. Perhaps we can work out a trade. Therapy for tapes. Hey. I think I'm onto something. Schwitterz > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Landon Thorpe Subject: Painkiller in '98 Date: 25 Sep 1997 01:49:51 -0500 (CDT) A few weeks ago, someone asked about the activity of Painkiller in the future. I just read (on the Dub Terrorist page associated with Hyperreal) that a new album and some touring are expected in 1998. Can anyone confirm and does anyone know anything more? Landon Thorpe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn on Monk Date: 25 Sep 1997 09:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Hello all... The Monk tribute album - "That's the Way I Feel Now" was definitely on CD, because I have one. The catalog number is A&M CD 6600. However, in order to fit the two LP's onto one CD, a few tracks were left off, and for relevance to the discussion here, unfortunately one of them was the Zorn track. I do see this pop up on vinyl occasionally though; if anyone wants me to put them on my want-list for this item (or anything else for that matter) feel free to email me. IMHO it is a typically quirky and interesting Wilner project. Looking forward to hearing from you.... Dale. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher John Moon Subject: Finding copies of the Monk tribute LP Date: 25 Sep 1997 10:22:56 -0700 The Monk tribute album - "That's the Way I Feel Now" is always showing up around Nashville in stores such as Great Escape and Phonolux. The fact that the Zorn track is only available on LP is one of the many reasons I finally bought a turntable (OK, I know I should own a turntable, but I'm really low on the $$$). Anyway, if anyone would like me to keep an eye out for this, I really wouldn't mind letting you know when one shows up. Just email me your request and we'll go from there. Later, Christopher Moon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Brunelle" Subject: Radio Vol. 2?? Date: 25 Sep 1997 08:24:19 PDT Here's a question that I was hoping that someone in the know could help me with : I had heard about a proposed "Radio Vol. 2" by Naked City, that either was recorded and not released, or never recorded at all, though it apparently had an Avant catalog number. Awhile back, I saw it listed in an import catalog in a local store, and jumped on the chance to order it. However, it's been about 9 months, and nothing's shown up yet. The owner of the store swears it's coming, but he's proven himself to be slightly ignorant of almost anything music related. Anyway, the question is : Was this ever released? Thanks for any help someone can give me. Dave Brunelle IHVH@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU Subject: Re: Radio Vol. 2?? Date: 25 Sep 1997 10:37:23 -0500 (CDT) I saw yesterday "Radio Vol.I" listed as an import from Germany on Music Boulevard online shopping. Maybe this is what you saw. It was about 35 dollars. On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, David Brunelle wrote: > Here's a question that I was hoping that someone in the know could help > me with : > > I had heard about a proposed "Radio Vol. 2" by Naked City, that either > was recorded and not released, or never recorded at all, though it > apparently had an Avant catalog number. Awhile back, I saw it listed in > an import catalog in a local store, and jumped on the chance to order > it. However, it's been about 9 months, and nothing's shown up yet. The > owner of the store swears it's coming, but he's proven himself to be > slightly ignorant of almost anything music related. Anyway, the question > is : Was this ever released? Thanks for any help someone can give me. > > Dave Brunelle > IHVH@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Radio Vol. 2?? Date: 25 Sep 1997 08:38:24 -0700 On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:24:19 PDT "David Brunelle" wrote: > > Here's a question that I was hoping that someone in the know could help > me with : > > I had heard about a proposed "Radio Vol. 2" by Naked City, that either > was recorded and not released, or never recorded at all, though it ^^^^^^^^ It was never recorded to my knowledge and I doubt it will ever be (maybe with the exception of a Naked City reunion in 15 years...). > apparently had an Avant catalog number. Awhile back, I saw it listed in > an import catalog in a local store, and jumped on the chance to order > it. However, it's been about 9 months, and nothing's shown up yet. The > owner of the store swears it's coming, but he's proven himself to be > slightly ignorant of almost anything music related. Anyway, the question > is : Was this ever released? Thanks for any help someone can give me. All I know about it: *** - RADIO, VOL. 2: Naked City 19?? - Avant (Japan), Avan 005 (CD) Note: not released; in fact it has never been recorded. Supposed content of the record: NAKED CITY'S "COVER" RECORD. An album of JOHN ZORN's eclectic arrangements of some of the most important, and often overlooked compositions of the 20th century. JERRY GOLDSMITH, ORNETTE COLEMAN, BRIAN WILSON, IGOR STRAVINSKY, DUKE ELLINGTON, TUSHIMA TOSHIAKI, WILLIAM ORBIT, GEORGE CLINTON, and many more. Patrice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: preZorn Date: 25 Sep 1997 10:51:44 -0700 On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:32:26 -0700 (PDT) SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote: > > On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote: > > > Can someone point me towards more information on these guys? > > unfortunately, i don't know much > about MEV (would like to know > more!), but i do knwo there is a > CD from an old performance that > is available through Anomalous > and Forced Exposure. If it is the following: *** - LEAVE THE CITY: Musica Elettronica Viva Actuel Volume 35. 1/ Message (M.E.V.) 2/ Cosmic Communion (M.E.V.) Recorded June 1970 Ivan Coaquette; Patricia Coaquette; Birgit Knabe; Nona Howard (side 2 only); Stephano Giolitti. 1971 (?) - Byg Record, 529.335 (LP) 1997 - Spalax (France), ??? (CD) Note: the sleeve is of very strong mystico-Indian inspiration (effect of the late 60's, I guess :-). You should better save your money and invest it somewhere else. Patrice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chad edwards Subject: Film works question Date: 25 Sep 1997 12:01:42 -0700 (PDT) On one particular JZ filmworks album the last twenty or so tracks are scores composed for use in commercials around the globe. I was disappointed that JZ was unable to list which products used which takes for commercial use. Does anybody know this info? _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: liquidgroove@mindless.com (Glenn Ianaro) Subject: Re: Finding copies of the Monk tribute LP Date: 25 Sep 1997 16:07:05 -0500 I have this particular Monk tribute on Cassette, and the Zorn song is on it. I found it used in the corner bargain bin of a store in Pittsburgh. Does anyone know if the cassette is the entire recording? Or did they just omit a different set of songs from the cassette to the CD? GLENN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Re: Lane/Grand Guignol Date: 25 Sep 1997 15:01:22 -0500 On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:18:49 -0500 "Marc A. Foster" writes: > Anyway, read the article at: >http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/performing_arts_journal/18.2villasenor.html >Portrait of a Dead Man sounds like the Grand Guignol cover photo to >me. Can >anyone confirm this? > >Marc Foster > Actually, the photograph in question is an entirely different severed head on a platter than the Grand Guignol cover. No joke. ************************************************************** " i can't imagine how you can be you and not wanna be dead" "Melville". ************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Valkwitch Subject: radio program featuring zorn and others... Date: 25 Sep 1997 20:16:16 -0400 For those of you who live in the Buffalo, N.Y. area, there is a new radio show called Empathatically Difficult: Experimental Composition & Monumental Improvisation. It aires on WBNY (91.3 FM) the college radio station for SUNY school Buffalo State College from 6pm - 9pm Wednesdays. I contribute almost half of what is played on air, the other half is by Bryan, the DJ/Host of the show. We have played selections from John Zorn's Naked City (the s/t nonesuch/warner release)and Masada 7 so far (the show is 2 weeks old) and hopefully plenty more in the future. We've also played tracks by artists like Derek Bailey, The Ruins and others. We are open to suggestions and requests by sending e-mail to: kapbld69@buffalostate.edu A webpage for the show has playlists, and a Links page set-up so far, the address: http://www.buffalostate.edu/~kaplbd69/ the playlist with John Zorn tracks: http://www.buffalostate.edu/~kapbld69/edpl2.html Also we are open to submissions of any decent avant/improvised/free-form home or studio recordings which may be broadcasted on the air. More information can be found at the webpage. Scott valksa87@buffalostate.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Valkwitch Subject: Zorn & EyE boxset? Date: 25 Sep 1997 20:26:10 -0400 I heard awhile back about this limited ed. 100 CD box set that was going to be a collaboration of Yamataka Eye and John Zorn. Supposedly many of the discs in the set were to only have 1 track lasting only a few seconds. The idea of such a release boggles my mind. But recently i've found it out that the concept has never materialized, i guess there are obvious reasons. Does anyone know anything else about this? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: Zorn & EyE boxset? Date: 25 Sep 1997 18:32:01 -0700 (PDT) On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Valkwitch wrote: > i guess there are obvious reasons. Does anyone know anything else about > this? the label who had planned the release is no more. hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: preZorn Date: 25 Sep 1997 18:48:46 -0700 (PDT) On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > If it is the following: > > *** - LEAVE THE CITY: Musica Elettronica Viva > > You should better save your money and invest it somewhere else. no, not that one. the MEV i was referring to are (from the FE catalog): Title: ? Label: IRML Format: CD Catalog Number: IRML 02 A previously unreleased document of MEV -- four sections of an improvisation recorded in London, 1968, spread out over 43 minutes. The line up was Bryant (synthesizer), Alvin Curran (trumpet, percussion), Frederick Rzewski (amplified percussion, singing), Jon Phetteplace (amplified cello). Powerful, historic noise and the first easily available MEV music on CD. Also comes with a Bryant solo synth wig-out piece at the end. Both of these IRML CDs come in regular jewel cases, and endearingly primitive xerox graphics; essential stuff to say the least. Title: Live '94 Label: STOMACH ACHE Format: 7" Price: $3.25 Catalog Number: SA34 That MEV, as in: Alvin Curran (electronics, piano, tin), Frederic Rzewski (piano), Richard Teitelbaum (electronics), George Lewis (trombone, electronics). in going through my old archives, i found the following info on MEV: (for what it's worth) MEV is an acronym for Musica Elettronica Viva, a group dedicated to live electronic music and which started about the same time that AMM (in fact, there is a record on Mainstream with AMM on one side, MEV on the other). The more constant elements of MEV are the great piano player and composer Frederic Rzewski, Alvin Curran and Richard Teitelbaum. Occasionaly, people like Karl Berger, Garrett List, Steve Lacy collaborated with the group. The Mainstream label, while Earle Brown was its main A&R guy, put out a number of interesting avant-garde records, including one called Live Electronic Music Improvised. One side is MEV, the other side is AMM (the sides as labelled are reversed, btw). The AMM side consists of randomly chosen fragments from their great second record The Crypt, interspersed with random lengths of silence (that's "random" as in "random number generator"; it's not a value judgement). Cardew was a member of AMM when The Crypt was recorded. and this was posted to rmb ages ago when i still read that froop: I've been looking for MEV material, too--it's pretty rare. George Lewis was just a babe-in-arms when they were "together" (you know those 60s collectives), but the rest of the band included Alvin Curran, Frederic Rzewski, Alan Bryant & Ivan Vandor, along with Teitelbaum. I haven't heard much, but the music's in the wonderfully eclectic vein that came out of that period--part Karlheinz Stockhausen, part Albert Ayler, part Pink Floyd & part AMM, with whom I believe they shared an album (& perhaps even Cornelius Cardew?) They had a few albums on BYG hope this helps. hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Julian" Subject: Covers on Naked City Date: 26 Sep 1997 20:35:51 +1000 Anyone know where I can find the originals of I Want To Live (Johnny Mandel) or Contempt (Georges Delerue) from "Naked City"? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mason Wendell Subject: Mason Wendell's other group Sigmoid Flexure and the New York Date: 26 Sep 1997 08:49:49 -0400 Hey folks, I apologise for the generic-ness of this mail but as you may know, nobody has signed on to any Sigmoid Flexure mailing list because there never has been one before. If you don't want one of the again just let me know and you'll never hear from Sigmoid again. Mon 10/6 9:00 PM - Sigmoid Flexure Knitting Factory's Alterknit Theater 74 Leonard St, NYC w/ Spooky Actions Sigmoid Flexure, Mason from Blinder and Prelapse's free improvisation group, will play the Knitting Factory on Oct 6th. The sound is most quickly described as Loud Free Improv. If you'd like a more detailed description... "Mixing equal parts free jazz and punk rock, Sigmoid Flexure finds a home between the walls of chaotic ambiance, hard-core composition, and spoken text rivers" I promise a great show. Come on down! Megan Gass - vocals, effects (from Blinder) Emily Weber - tenor sax (from Ever Since Day One) Chris Lavender - vibraphone Dane Johnson - fretless guitar (from Prelapse) Mason Wendell - fretless bass (from Blinder and Prelapse) Rohin Khemani - drums Hope to see you in NYC! Mason Mason Wendell Blinder- http://www.tiac.net/users/prelapse/blinder.html Sigmoid Flexure- Loud Free Improv Prelapse- the music of Naked City and new music for loud ensemble Freelance Computer Music Copying ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jesse Simon Subject: Re: Covers on Naked City Date: 26 Sep 1997 23:16:41 At 08:35 PM 9/26/97 +1000, Julian wrote: >Anyone know where I can find the originals of I Want To Live (Johnny >Mandel) or Contempt (Georges Delerue) from "Naked City"? Both of these are based on the themes from films. I don't know much about I Want to Live (although I have seen the record once and the cover makes an appearance in a recent book about album soundtrack covers). Contempt on the other hand is a great film by Jean Luc Godard from 1963 with Brigitte Bardot, Michel Piccoli and Jack Palance. The music is by Georges Delerue who scored hundreds of french films in the sixties. Most of the music in the film is a variation on the central theme which Zorn distilled in his excellent Naked City recording. The original soundtrack for Contempt on vinyl is reasonably difficult to find (it being a french import and all). However Martin Scorsese recently rereleased Contempt in america and with any luck the soundtrack has been issued on domestic CD because of this. Hope this helps, Jesse ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Kuehn Subject: Re: zorn-liVE Date: 26 Sep 1997 15:07:43 +0000 list-eners Listening to club noise live at KF just before Masada's 1st show Friday - just listened to rehearsals 6-7pm iguess - show starts now - 3pm Maui time 9 in ny - so cool i can hardly standit - gotta go ....will i get anything thru the dreaded peak hours?? we'll see! PS ..who's playing (taped) before the show? vibes bass + steel drum keyboard??? -- Dan Kuehn resident manager Kailua Maui Gardens ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Re: zorn-liVE Date: 26 Sep 1997 18:08:37 -0700 list-eners Listening to club noise live at KF just before Masada's 1st show Friday - Dan Kuehn resident manager Kailua Maui Gardens Listening to them live in Ventura CA...pretty amazing...time for an audio upgrade now that their link is working well... Sz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: zorn-liVE Date: 26 Sep 1997 18:47:31 -0700 (PDT) wow! listening to Masada live right now. so amazing... hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephen drury Subject: Re: "Carny" in Boston? Date: 26 Sep 1997 22:37:06 -0400 "Carny" was written by Zorn for solo piano. About 12 - 13 minutes long; completely notated. No, Zorn won't be at the BU performance. I'll be playing it again in January at Jordan Hall (New England Conservatory in Boston) and Zorn won't be there, either. -- steve At 09:39 AM 9/25/97 -0600, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:23:21 -0400 (EDT) >From: rladew@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew) >Subject: "Carny" in Boston? > > Could someone give me any more info about the Carny performance at >BU? Who's performing? What is Carny? Will Zorn be there (doubt it)? > >Much respect, >Rich Ladew >rladew@hopper.unh.edu > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Re: preZorn Date: 27 Sep 1997 08:13:54 -0400 >Title: ? >Label: IRML >Format: CD >Catalog Number: IRML 02 >A previously unreleased document of MEV -- four sections of an >improvisation recorded in London, 1968, spread out over 43 minutes. >The line up was Bryant (synthesizer), Alvin Curran (trumpet, >percussion), Frederick Rzewski (amplified percussion, singing), Jon >Phetteplace (amplified cello). Powerful, historic noise and the first >easily available MEV music on CD. Also comes with a Bryant solo synth >wig-out piece at the end. Both of these IRML CDs come in regular jewel >cases, and endearingly primitive xerox graphics; essential stuff to >say the least. This CD is entitled "The Original MEV" and is available from Forced Exposure & RRR for $12. -Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stickman Subject: Masada Gig. Date: 27 Sep 1997 10:13:04 -0700 Hey i caught the 11 pm show last night at the Knit. Zorn did announce that these were the last Masada shows. Someone at that point screamed out very loudly, "What's next John!!??", to which he had to have heard, but did not respond. Also it was quite apparent that the shows were being taped. Joey's solo's seemed shorter than i remember from last year's run, possibly because they were recording??? Zorn's solos lasted the longest, and, as with my opinions of the actual CD's, Greg Cohen was barely audible from where i sat (which was very close) and took only a brief solo. The Knit currently only has Masada 1-6 in stock, so my chances of scoring a copy of Masada 8 were out. I got Masada 7 there a few months back...it was the display copy from the glass case. They were sold out then also. What's the deal with that parking lot on the corner of Leonard and Broadway? We parked there...free...no tickets...it was uncanny. Also, why does the Knit always tell you that you cant wait in the hall before the doors open, and then they tell you the doors wont open for 20 min., and after you've crushed yourself into the bar seconds later, they open the doors immediately and all the people streaming in off the street get better seats than you do because, you followed their orders. This has happened to me at least 5 times. And it sucks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Bramy Subject: Zorn/Previtte blurb Date: 27 Sep 1997 11:02:11 -0800 Here's a little blurb from the latest epulse: jazz disc of the week: It may work for game show jingles and campfire songs, but cramming standard music into one-minute intervals doesn't usually translate into memorable listening experiences. JOHN ZORN and BOBBY PREVITE's 'EUCLID'S NIGHTMARE' (Depth of Field, out now) attempts to do just this, however. 'Euclid's' -- the first release for Previte's Depth of Field (what noteworthy jazz artist doesn't have his own label these days?) -- is divvied up into 27 unnamed tracks, all of which clock in at roughly a minute in length (with a few extended two-minute, don't-stop-now compositions thrown in). And it works. Zorn's sax and Previte's skin work are incredibly tight, and the tunes range from hastened interplay to soulful, Masada-esque melodies. It appears the pair kept the tape running on these sessions; there's occasional between-tune banter and many tracks blend perfectly into one another stylistically. And to think, in the minute it took you to read this, you could've been composing ... copyright (c) 1997 MTS, Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU Subject: Masada songs Date: 27 Sep 1997 15:01:10 -0500 (CDT) Does anybody know if Masada's repetoire was composed all at once, or if the later discs actually contain newer material? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Kuehn Subject: Re: zorn-liVE Date: 27 Sep 1997 10:52:48 +0000 Well, folks, I had to give up before the end of the first set. At first the digital hiccups were few and far between and kind of interesting (wonder how zorn would take to this weird web's-own-improvizing...), but it just kept getting worse; finally it was so annoying i had to shut down. fun while it lasted tho. that 2nd number - some kind of masada-vs-spy, huh? hotcha! If I may stir up a debate, What happens when we really do have quality digital live audio feed on the web? Is it the same as concerts on the radio? "Personal use" tapes OK? Not? Greed aside, how can i sit out here in the middle of nowhere and not share this event with my not-online friends? I for one would gladly fork over cash for a legit 2CD set of these KF Koncerts, whether i was holding a bootleg or not. I'm just a hungry fan - i can't help myself - forgive me! once again let me say tho that the privilege of being able to listen to rehearsal/soundcheck and even the crowd noise and background music in the club was a strange reminder that the KF is a REAL place, like i didn't know it already. To all you east coast clubhoppers: LUCKY DOGS! -- Dan Kuehn resident manager Kailua Maui Gardens ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gsg@juno.com Subject: Re: Masada Songs Date: 27 Sep 1997 19:35:44 EST the tunes were not all composed at once..... After a gig in NYC I was talking to Zorn and he mentioned that he had written a few of the tunes they played that night, the night before the gig....this was about a year after the band started. If anyone on here attended the Month of Zorn gigs at the old Knit....remember what Micheal Dorf wrote in the program notes about the first Naked City gigs in 1989 ?? Dorf: "...The first morning Zorn came in at 10am with the rest of the band and passed out a booklet of his songs he had prepared. By 8pm, the group had learned 25 songs and played them for a standing-room crowd in our new space. The next morning, the band came in, John gave them 15 new songs, and by show time they had those down and also played some of the old material. This went on each day. In five days they had a whole repertoire and went on a European tour as if they had been together for years" Pretty wild, huh!?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mmottel@aol.com Subject: Masada's gigs over the weekend. Date: 28 Sep 1997 09:23:17 -0400 (EDT) I went, and it was phenomenal, I loved every minute of it. The crowd was the biggest I have ever seen at the knit for a show. They were on the floor, I was right up close, which was very cool. The first night I went on friday, they played a bunch of songs from the MAsada cd I have #2. Last night, they played more amazing tunes, Baron's solos were unbelievable, great vibe in the room even though it was hot as hell. For the last set they played two encores including a Bacharach tune. AT the end, Zorn was yelling "Masada!!" and "The Jews", kinda as a closing point to their career. I've got a feeling though, that they will play again, they're to good not to. Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Glenn Astarita" Subject: cd sale Date: 28 Sep 1997 11:31:55 -0500 Folks, I have a list of 76 cd's i'm selling. Very few of these relate to the NYC Downtown scene; however, the list is diverse. Anyone from Jim O' Rourke, Brotzmann/Laswell, Anthony Coleman,Third Rail, Richard Thompson to Joshua Redman and Gary Burton. If anyone is interested please email me privately for details.....thanks Glenn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Shepherd Subject: Masada. . . Date: 28 Sep 1997 17:16:25 -0500 (CDT) I saw Masada in Knoxville about a year ago. I had never even hear them before, I just knew that Zorn was gonna be there. Well, you can imagine my pleasant suprise. Speaking of Knoxville, about a week and a half ago, I saw Elery Eskellin, Andrea Parkins, and Jim Black at this little dive called Barley and Hopps. Anyway, they played 2 sets, including about 5 or 6 new, untitled songs. It was pretty fresh. If you guys have a chance to check them out on this tour, certainly don't pass it up (although, I think that they are in Europe right now . . .) - Mike "It's only romantic 'cause it never works." - Harriet the Spy ********************************* Mike Shepherd rein0065@frank.mtsu.edu Middle Tennessee State University (615) 898-3652 ********************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte Date: 28 Sep 1997 21:25:56 -0700 ALAN E. KAYSER wrote: > And one excellent recording it is! For a Previte fan, yours truly, it's > great to hear so much of Bobby. It's surprising that the duo format > offers so much variety, which IMHO is due to Bobby's musical prowess. > Though the pieces are short, the work hangs together quite nicely. It's > not at all a speed race ala Naked City. > > Alan If I may offer a somewhat dissenting opinion... Though by no means a bad album, it strikes me as something these guys could essentially toss off ten times a week. The playing is all well and good, but I've come to expect something of greater conceptual value from these two; 27 short improvs, a few of them exciting--including the longest at 3 minutes and some--many of them unexceptional, don't quite cut it for me. Unlike a lot of Naked City pieces, there didn't seem to be any particular point in keeping the songs 1-2 minutes; I'd just as soon hear them stretch out and jam. Much of it reminded me of a lot of improv going on in the late 70's--a few times it was very reminiscent of the Braxton/Roach duets but these guys aren't, IMHO, in that league, yet. (Admittedly, it may have suffered in comparison to Ground Zero's 'Consume Red', which I purchased and listened to the same evening--what an amzing work this one is!) Brian O. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: Re: Zorn/Previte Date: 28 Sep 1997 22:43:56 -0400 Brian Olewnick wrote: > ALAN E. KAYSER wrote: > > > And one excellent recording it is! For a Previte fan, yours truly, > it's > > great to hear so much of Bobby. It's surprising that the duo format > > > offers so much variety, which IMHO is due to Bobby's musical > prowess. > > Though the pieces are short, the work hangs together quite nicely. > It's > > not at all a speed race ala Naked City. > > > > Alan > > If I may offer a somewhat dissenting opinion... > > Though by no means a bad album, it strikes me as something these guys > could essentially toss off ten times a week. The playing is all well > and > good, but I've come to expect something of greater conceptual value > from > these two; 27 short improvs, a few of them exciting--including the > longest at 3 minutes and some--many of them unexceptional, don't quite > > cut it for me. Unlike a lot of Naked City pieces, there didn't seem to > > be any particular point in keeping the songs 1-2 minutes; I'd just as > soon hear them stretch out and jam. Much of it reminded me of a lot of > > improv going on in the late 70's--a few times it was very reminiscent > of > the Braxton/Roach duets but these guys aren't, IMHO, in that league, > yet. > > (Admittedly, it may have suffered in comparison to Ground Zero's > 'Consume Red', which I purchased and listened to the same > evening--what > an amzing work this one is!) > > Brian O. Brian:- I think the real enjoyment for me is to hear Bobby in this setting. Never one to take a solo, this is as close as it gets. I'm sure neither John nor Bobby would place themselves alongside Braxton or Roach, but who cares. Euclid's Nightmare is fun and enjoyable to me, I'm not making any comparisons. It does sound very much as though they just sat down and played, though I'm sure that was probably not the case. These are two guys who know what they want, and leave little to chance. I had a sense of wholeness about the work, rendering the length of each cut rather meaningless. Again, this is all IMHO. Alan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chad edwards Subject: Live Videos? Date: 28 Sep 1997 19:48:31 -0700 (PDT) I would love to aquire any live performance videos of Naked City, Cobra sessions or any Mike Patton projects. If anyone has any info regarding such items, or is interested in swaping bootlegs, ( All I have is an assortment of Mr.Bungle, Ween and Tom Waits boots)let me know. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Masada Gig. Date: 29 Sep 1997 10:21:22 -0400 stickman wrote: > Hey i caught the 11 pm show last night at the Knit. Zorn did announce > that these were the last Masada shows. For a while, anyway. He's taking about a year off from the band but plans to reunite it at least once a year. And once the ten studio recordings are out, not only is it still rumored that they'll be boxed into a single set on Tzadik, but also that there are no fewer than ten live CDs coming after... > Someone at that point screamed out > very loudly, "What's next John!!??", to which he had to have heard, > but > did not respond. I've heard that the Larry Young Tribute I mentioned a few days ago will actually be happening a few different times, so that sounds like a record in the making. I heard that the first of these shows would be October 22nd, someone else heard it would be the 23rd, and there's nothing on the Knit's website yet, so it's anyone's guess right now. Z's also doing the Company-style free improv thing seems like once a month. Supposedly wants to take a year off from steady playing to concentrate on writing. > The Knit currently only has Masada 1-6 in stock, so my chances of > scoring > a copy of Masada 8 were out. I got Masada 7 there a few months > back...it > was the display copy from the glass case. They were sold out then > also. The Knit no longer enjoys its exclusive (or any) arrangement with DIW. You can easily find Masada 8 at Downtown Music Gallery for $16 or at the downtown Tower for $22. > Also, why does the Knit... [snip] Oh boy, don't get me started ;-). Maybe next time you should hover just outside the door and sprint when they open the doors... you won't miss any exciting new additions to the CD case in the Front Bar anytime soon, anyway... On the other hand, twas nice to see that someone at least attempted to move the camera to let net viewers catch at least a few furtive glimpses of the band. A small glimmer of soul... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DMB5561719@aol.com Subject: Philip Gelb - Purple Wind Date: 29 Sep 1997 18:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Philip Gelb plays the Knitting Factory sometimes. Purple Wind Philip Gelb Ryokan 1 This improvised music by Philip Gelb and company is wild. Blending traditional Japanese instruments with free jazz percussion and electronics seems so natural. One minute we're treated to a shakuhachi solo or a duet with a koto and a split second later we're assaulted by sampler mayhem, then a peaceful electronic bed, waves of sound while a flute and variety of percussion color the picture. And where else can you find someone credited for playing rubble? I got my copy at Down Music Gallery. 211 E. 5th Street (between 2nd and 3rd ave.) N.Y., N.Y. 10003 Email: dmg@panix.com A track and personel listings with other reviews at Juxtaposition Ezine. http://www.virtulink.com/immp/jux/j_index.htm * . * . . D a v i d B e a r d s l e y .. dmb5561719@aol.com * * .. * ... .* .... *.. .. * I M M P & B i i n k! m u s i c * . . * .. .. * .. .. * . J u x t a p o s i t i o n Ezine * * . .. .* . .*.. . .. . . .*. . . . . .. * . http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm * . . . . .. .*.. * . . . .* ..*. . .. . *. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rladew@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew) Subject: Zorn and Hip Hop Date: 29 Sep 1997 19:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Greetings: This is an odd subject to discuss, but what do you think Zorn has done/would potentially do with hip hop in his music? I'm curious after hearing faint samples of Public Enemy in Radio vol.1, and some of the dronier, eerie aspects of the dub part of Painkiller's execution Ground. I know a lot of other people like bob Ostertag have sampled Zorn in their music, but I was specifically wondering what it would be like if Zorn worked in some hip-hop setting, or if someone like DJ Shadow, the RZA, DJ Q-Bert, or someone equally intersting in the hip hop world used some of Zorn's sounds in their mix?? I've always thought this would be pretty incredible, although I know I'm reaching with this particular inquiry. Well, tell me what you guys think, Much respect: Rich Ladew rladew@hopper.unh.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chad edwards Subject: Question regarding Film Works Date: 29 Sep 1997 20:19:42 -0700 (PDT) - > > > I really enjoyed the last twenty or so tracks on one of > >the film works CDs( I dont have it handy and cant remember > >which one.) > >that JZ composed for the use in commercials around the world. > >However I was dissapointed that he was unable to publish the > >company names for which the scores were used. Does anybody > >have this info? > _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chad edwards Subject: Tears of Ecstacy Date: 29 Sep 1997 20:19:13 -0700 (PDT) -- > > One other thing. Does anyone know where I can > >obtain a copy of the film "Tears of ecstacy" from the > >FilmWorks series? > _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephane Vuilleumier Subject: Re: Zorn and Hip Hop Date: 30 Sep 1997 09:09:41 +0200 Swiss jazz free improv bunch Koch, Schuetz, Studer, on HARDCORE CHAMBER MUSIC (1995 -Intakt CD 042(CD), sample very many different people including Zorn (with the possible exception of W. S. Burroughs)... It's recorded in NY, and I think makes a remote stab at hiphop...but it doesn't sound much like hiphop at all. No vocals for instance. As sampling / improv combinations go, very recommended. the other ones with Patrice lists are ANYTHING GOES: Alfred 23 Harth (1986 - Creative Works, CW 1005 (LP)) ATTENTION SPAN: Bob Ostertag (1990 - RecRec Music, ReCDec 33 (CD)) THE YOUNG GODS PLAY KURT WEILL (1991 - Play It Again Sam, BIAS 188-2 (CD)) COMPOSITIONAL COLLAGE: Graeme Kirkland and The Wolves (1993 - Graeme Kirk- land Music, GKM 3 (CD)) ReR QUARTERLY SELECTIONS VOL. 1: v.a. (1994 - ReR Megacorp, ReR, QCD1 (CD)) So not much hiphop there either. Is Zorn really interested in hiphop? perhaps just in the heavy metal samples used... Stephane At 19:07 on 29.09.97 -0400, Lich ladew wrote: >Greetings: > >This is an odd subject to discuss, but what do you think Zorn has done/would >potentially do with hip hop in his music? I'm curious after hearing faint >samples of Public Enemy in Radio vol.1, and some of the dronier, eerie >aspects of the dub part of Painkiller's execution Ground. I know a lot of >other people like bob Ostertag have sampled Zorn in their music, but I was >specifically wondering what it would be like if Zorn worked in some hip-hop >setting, or if someone like DJ Shadow, the RZA, DJ Q-Bert, or someone >equally intersting in the hip hop world used some of Zorn's sounds in their >mix?? I've always thought this would be pretty incredible, although I know >I'm reaching with this particular inquiry. > > >Well, tell me what you guys think, Much respect: > >Rich Ladew >rladew@hopper.unh.edu > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tkorpipa@siba.fi Subject: Re: Zorn and Hip Hop Date: 30 Sep 1997 11:49:44 +0200 (GMT+0200) On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Rich Ladew wrote: > This is an odd subject to discuss, but what do you think Zorn has done/would > potentially do with hip hop in his music? a slight connection would be dj spooky... i don't know whatever he and zorn have ever colloborated but at least they both have strong connections to kf. of course spooky operates on a larger area than 'hip-hop' but imo hip-hop is the foundation, at least the technical foundation (i'll pass the intellectual ramblings about the origin of cut'n'paste here) of all turtable manipulation. zorn has worked with christian marclay and david shea - who at least has stated that he uses the same attitude then scratching for downtown composers like zorn as he uses on a house/hip-hop gig. there's was fine article about marclay, shea and some others on keyboard some years ago... i dig it up and type the irrelevant rap (pun intended, arf arf) for this this list... teemu :::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::: ruumen: http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html ::::::::::::::: 'You only got one finger left and it's pointing at the door' - beck - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Re: Zorn and Hip Hop Date: 30 Sep 1997 11:52:53 +0200 There's also a HipHop-remix of Dracula by MMW (on the Bubble-house remix ep), on which Zorn plays sax. Yves ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Zachary Subject: Re: Zorn and Hip Hop Date: 30 Sep 1997 16:21:28 -0400 At 09:09 AM 9/30/97 +0200, Stephane Vuilleumier wrote: >Swiss jazz free improv bunch Koch, Schuetz, Studer, on HARDCORE CHAMBER >MUSIC (1995 -Intakt CD 042(CD), sample very many different people including >Zorn (with the possible exception of W. S. Burroughs)... >It's recorded in NY, and I think makes a remote stab at hiphop...but it >doesn't sound much like hiphop at all. No vocals for instance. >As sampling / improv combinations go, very recommended. > >the other ones with Patrice lists are > > ANYTHING GOES: Alfred 23 Harth (1986 - Creative Works, CW 1005 (LP)) > ATTENTION SPAN: Bob Ostertag (1990 - RecRec Music, ReCDec 33 (CD)) > THE YOUNG GODS PLAY KURT WEILL (1991 - Play It Again Sam, BIAS 188-2 (CD)) > COMPOSITIONAL COLLAGE: Graeme Kirkland and The Wolves (1993 - Graeme Kirk- > land Music, GKM 3 (CD)) > ReR QUARTERLY SELECTIONS VOL. 1: v.a. (1994 - ReR Megacorp, ReR, QCD1 (CD)) > >So not much hiphop there either. From what I can tell, Emergency Broadcast Network uses a Zorn sax screech (from Naked City's "Speedball", I think) repeatedly on the song "Electronic Behavior Control System" from their _Telecommunication Breakdown_ album. EBN is in that same sample-heavy vein as Meat Beat Manifesto (EBN's album was produced by Jack Dangers of MBM), and the beats are pretty much hip-hop in nature. Great sample editing, too. This is my first post, -Zachary - _________________________ )) Zachary (( [|**| zachary@netwalk.com |**|] |__| "Coffee Cures Everything" |__| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chad edwards Subject: Melvins Videos Date: 30 Sep 1997 14:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Does anybody Out there have any Melvins videos? _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: Tears of Ecstacy Date: 30 Sep 1997 20:19:54 -0400 Don't know about this one but there is another film from the same director available in the US. I saw the box in a local (Atlanta) video store that soon went bankrupt so I never rented it. The tape was part of a series of gay-themed "art" films that was called something like Pink Visions (or maybe I'm misremembering it). Facets in Chicago might be able to help track it down. Lang Thompson http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Zorn and Hip Hop Date: 30 Sep 1997 19:58:47 -0800 The samples of Public Enemy are part of Wayne Horvitz' sampler set up for a couple of particular pieces in the Naked City repertoire, I don't know whether this was at Zorn's request or if it was Wayne's idea. Zorn did include rap turntable artist Whiz Kid in one of the Locus Solus trios, but that seems to be the most recent (& so far only) collaboration with a performer from that end of the music business. Bests, Herb Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard Williams Subject: Re: Zorn and Hip Hop Date: 30 Sep 1997 01:28:04 -0500 Rich Ladew wrote: > > Greetings: > > This is an odd subject to discuss, but what do you think Zorn has done/would > potentially do with hip hop in his music? I've always thought this would be pretty incredible, although I know > I'm reaching with this particular inquiry. Actually, it's not that far a reach. If anyone was lucky enough to see any of the handful of original Golden Palomino's gigs(Fier,Laswell,Zorn,Lindsay,Tacuma,Moss) they might remember JZ engaging in some highly danceable James Brownish Funk. Great stuff, much better than the LP they made. Hard to believe it was 15 years ago. BTW, If anyone still has a copy of the 3/25/82 Palomino show at Danceteria, Pleeeeeeeeeaze, e-mail me privately, my copy got trashed.