From xmission.com!zorn-list-digest-request Sun May 26 16:12:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mail.xmission.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0uNon7-0003w6C; Sun, 26 May 96 16:00 PDT Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.xmission.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) id QAA11533; Sun, 26 May 1996 16:49:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 16:49:29 -0600 (MDT) From: zorn-list-digest-request@xmission.com Message-Id: <199605262249.QAA11533@mail.xmission.com> Subject: zorn-list-digest Digest V96 #25 X-Loop: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com X-Mailing-List: archive/volume96/25 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Status: RO ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain zorn-list-digest Digest Volume 96 : Issue 25 Today's Topics: Re: JJJoey [ Matthew Ross Davis ] Re: summerstage [ jeffs@hyperreal.com (Jeff Spirer) ] Re: Lunch for Your Ears [ jeffs@hyperreal.com (Jeff Spirer) ] locus solus [ "N.D." ] Re: Lunch for Your Ears [ "Patrice L. Roussel" ] Frisell/Sylvian [ Stickman ] Joey/Masada in Taipei [ "D.J. Toman" To: scott mclemore , zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Re: JJJoey Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 5:12 PM 5/23/96, scott mclemore wrote: >Just thought all you folks who aren't drummers would like to know that >Joey Baron made it to the cover of modern drummer this month. The >interview is cool. But there is one peculiar thing. When talking about >the specific nature of Zorn's Naked City, the interviewer chimes in, "But >you do some interesting things with his music. On 'Tag' [from Zorn's This >Land], for instance, are you playing with your hands? And are you >playing a concert bass drum?" Did you make a typo in the album artist, or is the interviewer an idiot? *This Land* is a Bill Frisell album that John Zorn doesn't have anything to do with (but that does contain the tune "Tag"). Jeez. What was Joey's response? Did the interview mention his work with Laurie Anderson at all, btw? --------------------------------------------------- Matthew Ross Davis HuskyLabs mozart@butterfly.net 12C Parkway PGP Key on request Greenbelt, MD 20770 1-800-SKY-PAGE, pin 2125354 (301) 441-1618 http://butterfly.net/mozart 1-888-HUSKY-US --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 08:30:51 -0400 From: IOUaLive1@aol.com To: jbivins@indiana.edu cc: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Kermit with Naked City Message-ID: <960524083051_203217259@emout09.mail.aol.com> >Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:43:47 -0500 (EST) >From: Jason Caulfield Bivins >To: zorn-list-digest-request@xmission.com >cc: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com >Subject: Re: zorn-list-digest Digest V96 #23 > >Kermit Driscoll actually appears, as I'm sure many of you know, on a >number of Naked City recordings. Two that spring to mind are the >eponymous Elektra disc from 1990 and, I believe, Grand Guignol on Avant. Oh really? Thats funny, because Kermit isn't on my copy of "Naked City", or "Grand Guignol"... or any other Naked City recording for that matter. A minor oversite on your part? Or do you know something the rest of us don't? Or are you completely nuts?! IOUaLive1@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 14:05:38 +0000 From: Brian Alldredge To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Lunch for Your Ears Message-ID: <31A713B2.5132@itsa.ucsf.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Re: the recent interesting story posting regarding Lunch for Your Ears; >I had an almost identical experience in the late 1980s on a visit >to NYC. After knocking, I was let in by Manny who was in a >state of serious disrepair. The store was absolutely trashed - he >was walking over lp's and cd's to get to the stuff I had asked >him for. He insisted I buy something and when I declined, he closed >shop and ran across the street to meet someone. > >Later that night, at the Knitting Factory, I talked to a fellow who >indicated that Manny had developed a fairly serious drug problem >and that friends, including JZ, were trying their best to get him >some help. Hope he pulled through. Your e-mail triggered this >strange memory for me too. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:52:50 -0700 From: jeffs@hyperreal.com (Jeff Spirer) To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Re: summerstage Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 8:48 PM 5/15/96, PQuig99164@aol.com wrote: >Unfortunately, Axiom (Laswell's WWW page) notes that the 7/13 Summerstage >show with Praxis has been cancelled. This concert is back on again, although fewer people will be playing than originally planned. No details yet, and it could fall apart again, but for now it is on. Jeff jeffs@hyperreal.com http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:52:47 -0700 From: jeffs@hyperreal.com (Jeff Spirer) To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Re: Lunch for Your Ears Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I really wish people would stop talking about Manny's personal life. Manny lives in Canada now. At 7:05 AM 5/25/96, Brian Alldredge wrote: >>Re: the recent interesting story posting regarding Lunch for Your Ears; >>I had an almost identical experience in the late 1980s on a visit >>to NYC. After knocking, I was let in by Manny who was in a >>state of serious disrepair. The store was absolutely trashed - he >>was walking over lp's and cd's to get to the stuff I had asked >>him for. He insisted I buy something and when I declined, he closed >>shop and ran across the street to meet someone. >> >>Later that night, at the Knitting Factory, I talked to a fellow who >>indicated that Manny had developed a fairly serious drug problem >>and that friends, including JZ, were trying their best to get him >>some help. Hope he pulled through. Your e-mail triggered this >>strange memory for me too. Jeff jeffs@hyperreal.com http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 18:57:11 -0300 From: "N.D." To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: locus solus Message-id: <01I53ENJIE3M00867Z@AC.DAL.CA> Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT So I just got my hands on the _Locus Solus_ rerelease, and wanted to know if anyone knew what connection the project has to the writer Raymond Roussel (the title's one of his novels, and there's an uncredited photo of Roussel in the liner notes): he's never mentioned inside. Do the original liner notes explain this? (The most obvious link is Zorn's confession of delusions of wild popularity in his note, rather like Roussel's....) And is there perhaps a link in the title to the "New York School" of poets (_Locus Solus_ was the title of an expatriate journal edited by John Ashbery, Kenneth Koch and Harry Mathews)? --N ---------------------------------- Nate Dorward Nobody steps on e-mail: ndorward@ac.dal.ca a mine of information web: http://ac.dal.ca/~ndorward/ twice. homepage.html (Alan Halsey) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 15:01:43 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" To: jeffs@hyperreal.com (Jeff Spirer) cc: zorn-list@xmission.com, proussel@ichips.intel.com Subject: Re: Lunch for Your Ears Message-Id: <199605242200.PAA05388@ichips.intel.com> On Fri, 24 May 1996 14:52:47 -0700 Jeff Spirer wrote: > > I really wish people would stop talking about Manny's personal life. > > Manny lives in Canada now. I thought he was dead. I might have confused him with somebody else. Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:52:54 -0700 From: jeffs@hyperreal.com (Jeff Spirer) To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Re: Cibbo Matto/Zorn Connection Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:14 PM 5/15/96, SadMcBain@aol.com wrote: >I remember Matt Plinkton on Mtv's 120 Minutes mentioning somehting about John >Zorn doing something with the girls known as Cibbo Matto... I was wondering >if anyone knew anything about the connection there or what.... For what it's worth, Cibbo Matto is on the cover of the most recent Option magazine. I haven't read the article, so ... Jeff jeffs@hyperreal.com http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 15:55:19 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" To: jeffs@hyperreal.com (Jeff Spirer) cc: zorn-list@xmission.com, proussel@ichips.intel.com Subject: Re: Cibbo Matto/Zorn Connection Message-Id: <199605242254.PAA08764@ichips.intel.com> On Fri, 24 May 1996 14:52:54 -0700 Jeff Spirer wrote: > > At 9:14 PM 5/15/96, SadMcBain@aol.com wrote: > >I remember Matt Plinkton on Mtv's 120 Minutes mentioning somehting about John > >Zorn doing something with the girls known as Cibbo Matto... I was wondering > >if anyone knew anything about the connection there or what.... > > For what it's worth, Cibbo Matto is on the cover of the most recent Option > magazine. I haven't read the article, so ... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It is fun. In fact they are *EVERYWHERE* (including Pulse!). Not often that NY downtowners can get famous so fast :-). Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 16:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) To: zorn-list@xmission.com (zorn mailing list) Subject: ATTENTION: "lost" mail Message-Id: <199605242351.QAA03343@netcom3.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, I've been investigating the lost mail problem on the zorn-list and have discovered two things that everyone should be aware of: 1. the zorn-list will only allow messages to be sent out from its subscribers (this is to avoid junk mail spamming). Unfortunately, some of you have sent mail from different computers and/or accounts, effectively "losing" the message. I have notified a few individuals privately, but some of those mails have bounced back to me. (in particular from ladew29@idt.mainstream.net) 2. some folks have been sending their messages to either zorn-list-digest@xmission.com zorn-list-digest-request@xmission.com zorn-list-request@xmission.com instead of the proper address zorn-list@xmission.com These two cases seem to explain most of the lost emails...Please take care before sending out your messages. Thanks....we're still waiting for the majordomo conversion, which should make everything even smoother. Also, you can always look at the zorn-list archives via a web browser (or ftp) at ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/zorn-list/archive/ cheers, mike rizzi zorn-list maintainer -- rizzi@tfs.com ------------------------------------------- rizzi@netcom.com -=work=- "Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=- http://www.meer.net/~browbeat/ -------- browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 --------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 20:14:37 -0700 From: jeffs@hyperreal.com (Jeff Spirer) To: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi), zorn-list@xmission.com (zorn mailing list) Subject: Re: ATTENTION: "lost" mail Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 4:51 PM 5/24/96, m. rizzi wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I've been investigating the lost mail problem on > the zorn-list and have discovered two things that > everyone should be aware of: ... So maybe you can answer: why is Patrice's stuff showing up double? Or is he making sure we don't miss a word? Jeff jeffs@hyperreal.com http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 15:30:11 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" To: jeffs@hyperreal.com (Jeff Spirer) cc: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi), zorn-list@xmission.com (zorn mailing list), proussel@ichips.intel.com Subject: Re: ATTENTION: "lost" mail Message-Id: <199605252228.PAA08403@ichips.intel.com> On Fri, 24 May 1996 20:14:37 -0700 Jeff Spirer wrote: > > At 4:51 PM 5/24/96, m. rizzi wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > I've been investigating the lost mail problem on > > the zorn-list and have discovered two things that > > everyone should be aware of: > ... > > So maybe you can answer: why is Patrice's stuff showing up double? One day, I got plenty of mails dating back one month. After anwering a couple (that sounded familiar), I realized that something might have been wrong with the Zorn mailing list :-). I just answered, one month apart, twice the same couple mails! > Or is he making sure we don't miss a word? Far from me the feeling that what I say is worth repeating... Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 17:37:17 -0700 (PDT) From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) To: proussel@ichips.intel.com (Patrice L. Roussel) Cc: zorn-list@xmission.com (zorn mailing list) Subject: Re: ATTENTION: "lost" mail Message-Id: <199605260037.RAA06265@netcom3.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WARNING: Boring geek talk ahead...NO MUSIC CONTENT. Patrice L. Roussel, demi-God and Icon sez: > >> So maybe you can answer: why is Patrice's stuff showing up double? > >One day, I got plenty of mails dating back one month. After anwering a >couple (that sounded familiar), I realized that something might have >been wrong with the Zorn mailing list :-). I just answered, one month >apart, twice the same couple mails! Heh heh. The xmission mail server was backed up recently so they bought a fancy new SPARCserver to deal with the new mail load. At that point, it cranked thru over 20,000 pieces of old mail and sent them on their way. THAT was the batch of backdated mail that came through zorn-list recently. Maybe that explains the duplicates...Jeff, please send me a couple of these duplicate e-mails and I'll see if they provide any insight. Thanks, mike rizzi zorn-list maintainer and hack -- rizzi@tfs.com ------------------------------------------- rizzi@netcom.com -=work=- "Another nerd with a soulpatch" -=home=- http://www.meer.net/~browbeat/ -------- browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 --------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 13:36:32 -0700 From: Stickman To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Big John Patton & others... Message-Id: <31A8C0D0.6CF1@warwick.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When i'm not practicing the Chapman Stick, I have a hard time not going out buying CD's. This weekend's finds: 1)Big John Patton: Does anyone have this? I thought it would be lame, but it reminds me of the Sonny Clark Memorial quartet. Really smooth stuff, and Zorn is very identifiable on it. the liner notes say: " The gutty playing Zorn certainly ranks among this CD's highlights ....his work consists almost entirely of vocal effects-shrieks and quacks..." 2.Bill Laswell:" Hear No Evil" Where was I when this came out in 1988? I've never seen it. The stuff is ok, a bit lackluster, kind of a precurrsor to "Hallucination Engine", very middle eastern, a little on the "yawn" side. Also, funny thing, Laswell's bass isn't very prominent. 3.Buckethead: "Day of the Robot"- Some good stuff, but i think the energy dwindled down after the first two or three tracks. Still cool, but I think there's better Buckethead to be heard. Question: Who play's the computer like super inhumanly fast monster funk Bass parts?. It sounds like a computer/sampler or possibly a midi electric played by Bucket. No way that's Laswell, or a "human" Bass player. 4.Material "Live from Soundscape"- improv stuff, could've been better with a better recording, or a better mix. The idea of 3 drummers ryhmically trying to confuse each other is interesting. The drums make it really difficult to hear Laswell & Frith. Any comments on these? - STICKMAN ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 13:41:45 -0700 From: Stickman To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Frisell/Sylvian Message-Id: <31A8C209.3700@warwick.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi- I pulled this off the David Torn list: "A couple of weird bits of collaboration news: Bill Frisell is working = with David Sylvian on new material, and the same applies to Harold Budd = and John Foxx, original singer with Ultravox! (info from the Sylvian & = Ultravox lists.)" I cannot verify it's correctness, but Frisell/Sylvian would be cool. I enjoyed the Sylvian/Fripp record from a few years ago, So I guess David is going through his "guitarist's whose last name starts with "F" faze">- I remember reading here about a new Frisell CD. When? Who with? If I recall, Joey Baron isn't in the band anymore. Also, is it true that Joey Baron is on the cover of this month's Modern Drummer? It's about f**king time. -STICKMAN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 03:30:30 GMT From: "D.J. Toman" To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Joey/Masada in Taipei Message-Id: <199605270330.DAA07734@neptune.pristine.com.tw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I remember reading here about a new Frisell CD. If you mean, "Quartet," it's out already, unless there's something even newer. If I recall, Joey Baron isn't in the band anymore. Also, is it true that Joey >Baron is on the cover of this month's Modern Drummer? It's about f**king >time. Before I post a more complete report, I just want to say that Joey was mind-boggling in his imagination and colorful musicality, not to mention humor and technique, during all four Masada shows in Taipei this past Wed.-Sat. The entire band was killin', and it just wouldn't be the same without any one of the members, but Joey was astounding. Once, his floor tom tipped over with the hollow side facing the audience, and without missing a beat he just reached down and proceeded to accept the challenge of playing the bottom rim of the tom for all it was worth. I talked to Dave Douglas afterwards yesterday, and he said we can look forward to a new Myra Melford release on Gramavision soon, with DD on trumpet and Chris Speed on saxes (and I think clarinet), among others. I'm still reeling from the final show. I thought the first three were spectacular, and each had a quite different set and vibe, but the fourth and final night reached some kind of celestial plane. Gasp... -- David in Taipei ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 12:34:13 -0700 From: jeffs@hyperreal.com (Jeff Spirer) To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Re: Big John Patton & others... Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 1:36 PM 5/26/96, Stickman wrote: >2.Bill Laswell:" Hear No Evil" Where was I when this came out in 1988? Virgin ditched it. It didn't fit in with their pop dreams. >I've never seen it. The stuff is ok, a bit lackluster, kind of a >precurrsor to "Hallucination Engine", very middle eastern, a little on >the "yawn" side. Also, funny thing, Laswell's bass isn't very prominent. Many of us fans think this is his finest work. Nicky Skopelitis, who plays on it, told me this was the best thing he had ever played on when I was complimenting one of his solo albums from around the same time. It may take time - what is there is very subtle. The bass is there but he didn't use all the subharmonic synthesizer stuff he sometimes uses. > >3.Buckethead: "Day of the Robot"- Some good stuff, but i think the energy >dwindled down after the first two or three tracks. Still cool, but I >think there's better Buckethead to be heard. Question: Who play's the >computer like super inhumanly fast monster funk Bass parts?. It sounds >like a computer/sampler or possibly a midi electric played by Bucket. No >way that's Laswell, or a "human" Bass player. It's Bucket. I happen to like this, but after the first track, it's jungle. If you don't like jungle, don't buy this. > >4.Material "Live from Soundscape"- improv stuff, could've been better >with a better >recording, or a better mix. The idea of 3 drummers ryhmically trying to >confuse each >other is interesting. The drums make it really difficult to hear Laswell & >Frith. > I agree that the mix isn't great on this. Jeff jeffs@hyperreal.com http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 12:44:42 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" To: "D.J. Toman" cc: zorn-list@xmission.com, proussel@ichips.intel.com Subject: Re: Joey/Masada in Taipei Message-Id: <199605261943.MAA25321@ichips.intel.com> On Mon, 27 May 1996 03:30:30 GMT "D.J. Toman" wrote: > > > >I remember reading here about a new Frisell CD. > > If you mean, "Quartet," it's out already, unless there's something even newer. > > If I recall, Joey Baron isn't in the band anymore. Also, is it true that Joey > >Baron is on the cover of this month's Modern Drummer? It's about f**king > >time. > > I talked to Dave Douglas afterwards yesterday, and he said we can look > forward to a new Myra Melford release on Gramavision soon, with DD on > trumpet and Chris Speed on saxes (and I think clarinet), among others. Could it be: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - SAME RIVER TWICE: Myra Melford Quintet Dave Douglas: trumpet; Chris Speed: tenor, clarinet; Myra Melford: piano; Erik Friedlander: cello; Michael Sarin: drums. 1996 - ???, ??? (CD) Note: not released yet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ initially planned on Hat Hut? Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 17:02:09 -0400 From: JonAbbey@aol.com To: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Douglas/Clusone Message-ID: <960526170207_401245094@emout07.mail.aol.com> >I talked to Dave Douglas afterwards yesterday, I talked with Ernst Reijseger briefly at the recent Victoriaville festival. He told me that the Clusone Trio (himself, Michael Moore, and Han Bennink) had recorded a record with Dave Douglas that would be released on Gramavision at some point this year. I'm pretty psyched for this one. Anyway, thought some of you might like to know. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 15:46:37 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" To: zorn-list@xmission.com, proussel@ichips.intel.com Subject: VARIOUS 10% -- Burroughs tribute? Message-Id: <199605262245.PAA27112@ichips.intel.com> Does anybody know about this record? I found the reference in the Verge distribution catalog. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ DUTCH EAST INDIA USA Various 10% File Under Burroughs DEI-12040-2CD Spoken Word ($26.00 2CD) This record was inspired by the readings and performances which were part of the Here To Go Show , held in Dublin in 1992. The paramount theme of the show was the connection between cut-ups and the use of samples in contemporary dance and traditional Moroccan trance. Includes a deluxe 36 page booklet and all tracks are unreleased and exclusive to this collection. Artists are: Islamic Diggers, Divination, Bomb the Bass, Scanner, Material, Your Nemesis, Brion Gysin, Joujouka & Hamri, Herbert Huncke & Chuck Prophet, Marianne Faithful & the Master Musicians of Joujouka, William S. Burroughs, John Cale, Terry Wilson, Paul Bowles, Gnoua Brotherhood, Joe Ambrose, and Stanley Booth. -------------------------------- End of zorn-list-digest Digest V96 Issue #25 ********************************************